Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Satyam Bruyat priyam Bruyat Dear Gurus, I have some doubt regarding argala explanation given in the translation of the BPHS. I have attempted to put the aragala and viroda argalas by Benefics and Malefics pictorially. For the 6 combinations I have noted below of my understanding. I have identified my specific queries by ?? I shall appreciate if you can clarify and correct me where I am wrong. Kind regards Ramesh Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala. This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala, stalls the malefic role. If the benefic’s Argala is obstructed by another, then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first-mentioned malefic will operate freely. 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic, then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his own disposition. Aragala:============è ç===========Virodha Aragala (VA) 1. B===============è Unobstructed Shubha ragala. benefic will prevail. 2. M===============è Unobstructed Papa ragala. Malefic will prevail. 3. B================è ç===================B Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. 4. B================è M================è Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the effects of Papa aragala. And visa versa?? 5. B================è ç===================B M================è Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. 6. B================è ç===================M M================è Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Dear Ramesh I could not understand the diagrams, so it would be kind of you if you had given some examples of what you were thinking, this can help me answer your queries. best wishes partha varahamihira , " Ramesh Gangaramani " <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat priyam Bruyat > > Dear Gurus, > > I have some doubt regarding argala explanation given in the translation of > the BPHS. I have attempted to put the aragala and viroda argalas by Benefics > and Malefics pictorially. For the 6 combinations I have noted below of my > understanding. I have identified my specific queries by ?? I shall > appreciate if you can clarify and correct me where I am wrong. > > Kind regards > Ramesh > > > > Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala. > This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala, > stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is obstructed by another, > then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first- mentioned > malefic will operate freely. > > 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the > native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap > (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic, > then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his > own disposition. > > > > Aragala:============è > ç===========Virodha Aragala (VA) > > > > 1. B===============è > > > > Unobstructed Shubha ragala. benefic will prevail. > > > > 2. M===============è > > > > Unobstructed Papa ragala. Malefic will prevail. > > > > 3. B================è > ç===================B > > > > Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. > > > > 4. B================è > > M================è > > > > Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the effects of > Papa aragala. And visa versa?? > > > > 5. B================è > ç===================B > > M================è > > > > Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. > > > > 6. B================è > ç===================M > > M================è > > > > Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 satyam bruyat priyam bruyat Dear Partha, Many Thanks for your kind response. I think the diagrams got disfigured in the process of creating on word and then cutting pasting and subsequent transmissions. Thank you once again for pointing out. I am putting my query again. I have mentioned my understanding against each examples with question marks where I have doubts. kind regards Ramesh Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala. This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala, stalls the malefic role. If the benefic’s Argala is obstructed by another, then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first-mentioned malefic will operate freely. 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic, then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his own disposition. case 1: aragala from one benefic. my understanding: Unobstructed Shubha aragala. benefic will prevail. case 2: aragala from one malefic. my understanding: Unobstructed Papa aragala. Malefic will prevail case 3: aragala from one benefic and virodha aragala from a benefic. my understanding: Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. case 4: aragala from one benefic and one malefic. my understanding: Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the effects of Papa aragala. And vice versa?? case 5: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one benefic. my understanding: Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. case 6: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one malefic. my understanding: Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? V.Partha sarathy [partvinu5]Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:44 PMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Re: Aragala.. clarificationsDear RameshI could not understand the diagrams, so it would be kind of you if you had given some examples of what you were thinking, this can help me answer your queries.best wishesparthavarahamihira , "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote:> Satyam Bruyat priyam Bruyat> > Dear Gurus,> > I have some doubt regarding argala explanation given in the translation of> the BPHS. I have attempted to put the aragala and viroda argalas by Benefics> and Malefics pictorially. For the 6 combinations I have noted below of my> understanding. I have identified my specific queries by ?? I shall> appreciate if you can clarify and correct me where I am wrong.> > Kind regards> Ramesh> > > > Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala.> This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala,> stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is obstructed by another,> then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first-mentioned> malefic will operate freely.> > 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the> native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap> (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic,> then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his> own disposition.> > > > Aragala:============è> ç===========Virodha Aragala (VA)> > > > 1. B===============è> > > > Unobstructed Shubha ragala. benefic will prevail.> > > > 2. M===============è> > > > Unobstructed Papa ragala. Malefic will prevail.> > > > 3. B================è> ç===================B> > > > Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled.> > > > 4. B================è> > M================è> > > > Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the effects of> Papa aragala. And visa versa??> > > > 5. B================è> ç===================B> > M================è> > > > Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala.> > > > 6. B================è> ç===================M> > M================è> > > > Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala?|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Dear Ramesh My answers below your queries. varahamihira , " Ramesh Gangaramani " <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > satyam bruyat priyam bruyat > > Dear Partha, > > Many Thanks for your kind response. I think the diagrams got disfigured in > the process of creating on word and then cutting pasting and subsequent > transmissions. Thank you once again for pointing out. > > I am putting my query again. I have mentioned my understanding against each > examples with question marks where I have doubts. > > kind regards > Ramesh > > Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala. > This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala, > stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is obstructed by another, > then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first- mentioned > malefic will operate freely. > > 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the > native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap > (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic, > then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his > own disposition. > > > > case 1: aragala from one benefic. > > my understanding: Unobstructed Shubha aragala. benefic will prevail. PARTHA:-yes you are right. > > case 2: aragala from one malefic. > > my understanding: Unobstructed Papa aragala. Malefic will prevail PARTHA:- Malefics also cause an argala when they are in 3rd house from the house under consideration. THis is called parakrama argala. When mars is in 3rd from any house, it is also an argala, just like when it is in 2nd house from a house under consideration. Here Mars wants to achieve things at any cost. > > case 3: aragala from one benefic and virodha aragala from a benefic. > > my understanding: Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. PARTHA:- I am not sure if this statement is valid. For example when jupiter is in 2nd to the Dasa pravesh lagna(THe lagna at the time of commencement of a narayana dasa) and venus in 12th house to the dpc lagna. Then there is a type of bandhana which makes the person sit at home, or meditate. They wont cancel the argala of each other. > case 4: aragala from one benefic and one malefic. > > my understanding: Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala > dilutes the effects of Papa aragala. And vice versa?? Partha:- The argala can be cancelled, if no other factors intervene. If jupiter is in 2nd house, and saturn in 12th house, then the argala of jupiter is reduced to great extent, but still there is a tussle. Here the person wants to enjoy the luxuries of family life and good food, but then Saturn wants him to do tapasya! > > case 5: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one > benefic. > > my understanding: Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. PARTHA:-please be clear here. > > case 6: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one > malefic. > > my understanding: Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? PARTHA: same as above, the query is not clear. But i would like to add, that say when saturn is in 4th house, and sun in the 10th house, then there is no obstruction of such argala of saturn. Instead the person might end up in jail, or confienement, due to paraspara yogakaraka principle. best wishes partha > > > > > > > V.Partha sarathy [partvinu5] > Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:44 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Re: Aragala.. clarifications > > > Dear Ramesh > > I could not understand the diagrams, so it would be kind of you if > you had given some examples of what you were thinking, this can help > me answer your queries. > best wishes > partha > > > varahamihira , " Ramesh Gangaramani " > <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > > Satyam Bruyat priyam Bruyat > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > I have some doubt regarding argala explanation given in the > translation of > > the BPHS. I have attempted to put the aragala and viroda argalas by > Benefics > > and Malefics pictorially. For the 6 combinations I have noted below > of my > > understanding. I have identified my specific queries by ?? I shall > > appreciate if you can clarify and correct me where I am wrong. > > > > Kind regards > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as > Subh Argala. > > This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, > causing Argala, > > stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is obstructed by > another, > > then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first- > mentioned > > malefic will operate freely. > > > > 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that > the > > native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap > > (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a > malefic, > > then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, > according to his > > own disposition. > > > > > > > > Aragala:============è > > ç===========Virodha Aragala (VA) > > > > > > > > 1. B===============è > > > > > > > > Unobstructed Shubha ragala. benefic will prevail. > > > > > > > > 2. M===============è > > > > > > > > Unobstructed Papa ragala. Malefic will prevail. > > > > > > > > 3. B================è > > ç===================B > > > > > > > > Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. > > > > > > > > 4. B================è > > > > M================è > > > > > > > > Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the > effects of > > Papa aragala. And visa versa?? > > > > > > > > 5. B================è > > ç===================B > > > > M================è > > > > > > > > Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. > > > > > > > > 6. B================è > > ç===================M > > > > M================è > > > > > > > > Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > > > -- -------- > -- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Dear Partha, Thank you for your kind reply. I need some more understanding. I shall appreciate if you can kindly clarify. Thanks and Regards Ramesh varahamihira , " V.Partha sarathy " <partvinu5> wrote: Dear Ramesh My answers below your queries. satyam bruyat priyam bruyat Dear Partha, Many thanks for your kind response. I think the diagrams got disfigured in the process of creating on word and then cutting pasting and subsequent transmissions. Thank you once again for pointing out. I am putting my query again. I have mentioned my understanding against each examples with question marks where I have doubts. Kind regards Ramesh Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh Argala. This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, causing Argala, stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is obstructed by another, then the benefic will become ineffective in Argala and the first- mentioned malefic will operate freely. 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that the native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is Pap (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a malefic, then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, according to his own disposition. Case 1: aragala from one benefic. My understanding: Unobstructed Shubha aragala. benefic will prevail. PARTHA:-yes you are right. Case 2: aragala from one malefic. My understanding: Unobstructed Papa aragala. Malefic will prevail PARTHA:- Malefics also cause an argala when they are in 3rd house from the house under consideration. THis is called parakrama argala. When mars is in 3rd from any house, it is also an argala, just like when it is in 2nd house from a house under consideration. Here Mars wants to achieve things at any cost. Ramesh: I agree. I am told Malefic in 3rd is an exception. In general is it ok to say that benefic planets in 2,4,11,5 and 8 have shubha aragalas and malefics have papa aragalas? Planets in mirror image houses will have virodha aragalas or obstructions! Case 3: aragala from one benefic and virodha aragala from a benefic. My understanding: Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. PARTHA:- I am not sure if this statement is valid. For example when jupiter is in 2nd to the Dasa pravesh lagna (THe lagna at the time of commencement of a narayana dasa) and venus in 12th house to the dpc lagna. Then there is a type of bandhana which makes the person sit at home, or meditate. They wont cancel the argala of each other. Ramesh: Can we say the bandhana itself is depriving one of benefits that he may have had if the shubha aragala was not obstructed? Case 4: aragala from one benefic and one malefic. My understanding: Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha aragala dilutes the effects of Papa aragala. And vice versa?? Partha:- The argala can be cancelled, if no other factors intervene. If jupiter is in 2nd house, and saturn in 12th house, then the argala of jupiter is reduced to great extent, but still there is a tussle. Here the person wants to enjoy the luxuries of family life and good food, but then Saturn wants him to do tapasya! Ramesh: Yes your example explains it well. Case 5: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one benefic. My understanding: Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. PARTHA:-please be clear here. Ramesh: Let us say benefic Moon and Ketu in 2nd and Mercury in 12th. Would shubha aragala from Moon be obstructed/ cancelled by virodha aragala of Mercury leaving Ketu to operate freely? Case 6: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from one malefic. My understanding: Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? PARTHA: same as above, the query is not clear. But i would like to add, that say when saturn is in 4th house, and sun in the 10th house, then there is no obstruction of such argala of saturn. Instead the person might end up in jail, or confinement, due to paraspara yogakaraka principle. Ramesh: This is interesting. In the same example if there was also a Benefic like Jupiter in 10th, how would the aragalas operate? best wishes partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Dear Partha, In the Case 6, kindly read as 'Benefic like Jupiter in 4th' Regards Ramesh varahamihira , " rgangaramani " <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > Dear Partha, > Thank you for your kind reply. I need some more understanding. I > shall appreciate if you can kindly clarify. > Thanks and Regards > Ramesh > > > varahamihira , " V.Partha sarathy " > <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Ramesh > > My answers below your queries. > > > satyam bruyat priyam bruyat > > Dear Partha, > > Many thanks for your kind response. I think the diagrams got > disfigured in the process of creating on word and then cutting > pasting and subsequent transmissions. Thank you once again for > pointing out. > > I am putting my query again. I have mentioned my understanding > against each examples with question marks where I have doubts. > > Kind regards > Ramesh > > Notes. 1. Argala can be caused by a benefic, which is known, as Subh > Argala. This Argala can be from a malefic also, so that the benefic, > causing Argala, stalls the malefic role. If the benefic's Argala is > obstructed by another, then the benefic will become ineffective in > Argala and the first- mentioned malefic will operate freely. > > 2. Argala can be by a malefic with reference to a benefic, so that > the native does not enjoy good effects, due to the benefic. This is > Pap (malefic) Argala. If the Argala is eliminated by a benefic, or a > malefic, then the first mentioned benefic will be at liberty to act, > according to his own disposition. > > Case 1: aragala from one benefic. > My understanding: Unobstructed Shubha aragala. benefic will prevail. > > PARTHA:-yes you are right. > > Case 2: aragala from one malefic. > My understanding: Unobstructed Papa aragala. Malefic will prevail > > PARTHA:- Malefics also cause an argala when they are in 3rd house > from the house under consideration. THis is called parakrama argala. > When mars is in 3rd from any house, it is also an argala, just like > when it is in 2nd house from a house under consideration. Here Mars > wants to achieve things at any cost. > > Ramesh: I agree. I am told Malefic in 3rd is an exception. In general > is it ok to say that benefic planets in 2,4,11,5 and 8 have shubha > aragalas and malefics have papa aragalas? Planets in mirror image > houses will have virodha aragalas or obstructions! > > Case 3: aragala from one benefic and virodha aragala from a benefic. > > My understanding: Shubha aragala obstructed and cancelled. > > PARTHA:- I am not sure if this statement is valid. For example when > jupiter is in 2nd to the Dasa pravesh lagna (THe lagna at the time of > commencement of a narayana dasa) and venus in 12th house to the dpc > lagna. Then there is a type of bandhana which makes the person sit at > home, or meditate. They wont cancel the argala of each other. > > Ramesh: Can we say the bandhana itself is depriving one of benefits > that he may have had if the shubha aragala was not obstructed? > > Case 4: aragala from one benefic and one malefic. > > My understanding: Benefic stalls the effects of Malefic. Shubha > aragala dilutes the effects of Papa aragala. And vice versa?? > > Partha:- The argala can be cancelled, if no other factors intervene. > If jupiter is in 2nd house, and saturn in 12th house, then the argala > of jupiter is reduced to great extent, but still there is a tussle. > Here the person wants to enjoy the luxuries of family life and good > food, but then Saturn wants him to do tapasya! > > Ramesh: Yes your example explains it well. > > Case 5: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from > one benefic. > > My understanding: Malefic will operate freely. Papa Aragala. > > PARTHA:-please be clear here. > > Ramesh: Let us say benefic Moon and Ketu in 2nd and Mercury in 12th. > Would shubha aragala from Moon be obstructed/ cancelled by virodha > aragala of Mercury leaving Ketu to operate freely? > > Case 6: aragala from one benefic and malefic each and virodha from > one malefic. > > My understanding: Benefic will operate freely? Shubha Aragala? > > PARTHA: same as above, the query is not clear. But i would like to > add, that say when saturn is in 4th house, and sun in the 10th house, > then there is no obstruction of such argala of saturn. Instead the > person might end up in jail, or confinement, due to paraspara > yogakaraka principle. > > Ramesh: This is interesting. In the same example if there was also a > Benefic like Jupiter in 10th, how would the aragalas operate? > > best wishes > partha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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