Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Shaliesh,

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

For Graha-yudha,

the planets have to be in the same Rasi - but not

so for Karaka replacement.

 

With best regards,

 

Shailesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do not forget rasi

drishti.

 

 

 

 

love,

 

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Dear Chandrashekhar, Shailesh, and Hari,

 

I agree we must stop somewhere, so we could stop at seconds and disregard

milliseconds. Further, Shailesh already said it, they will function as

co-karaka and the slot that falls vacant is filled up with naisargika

karaka.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

Am I also allowed to write few words regarding the

Charakaraka Replacement please?

 

As per the Brihat Parasara Hora Sashtra Chapter 32 and Slokas

16 & 17, when two or more of the planets occupy same longitude, the

vacancy created will be filled by the Sthira Karaka but not the

Naisargika Karaka.

 

Regarding the charakaraka scheme as mentioned by the Sanjay

Rath Guruji in his article 'Atmakaraka - Final Proof of two

charakaraka scheme' has mentioned as following in Chapter-3

Carakaraka disappearance.

 

" We have already seen that when two or more planets are in

the same degree (not minutes and seconds of arc),

they fall into a special group for the carakäraka status of the

one

that is most advanced (see para 2.2 above). These

käraka are also known as madhyakhetaù and antyakäraka. "

 

In his statement Guruji has clearly mentioned that the

Charakaraka Replacement will take place for the planets which occupy

the same degree and discarded the minues and seconds of arc. And also

he has given many example to make the concept clear but what is

missing in the article is, why Sanjayji is it considered only upto

degrees level but not to minutes and seconds or arc are ignored and

what could be the reason for the importance of Degrees, because if

the circle had 3600 divisions instead of 360 divisions then the same

degrees occupied by the two planets will be 10 degrees apart if the

divisions had been 3600. But as per Rishis zodiac has been divided

into 360 only with each Rashi occupying 30 degrees each and probably

there could be some reason for following only 360 divisions.

 

Well, if the two planets are in same sign with same degrees

then they will be surely in graha yudha. But I think that we cannot

consider the tussel for the chara karakatwa as the Graha Yudha as it

may not be in the same sign though they may be in the similar

longitudes in their respective rashis.

 

But when I was reading the post of Chandrashekarji refering

the Graha Yudha, I got a question as what will happen if the two

planets competing for the same karakatwa happened to be in the same

rasi. In that case it is clearly not only the tussel for the

Charakarakatwa but it will also going to be Graha Yudha.

 

As per my understanding, in tussel for charakarakatwa (which

subsequently leads charakaraka replacement) the planets in competence

may not lose their power as they are not in war but just in

competition to gain a particular karakatwa and they sequencially get

the opportunity to lead the role of higher karakatwa for which they

are in tussel.

 

But in case of Graha Yudha am I right in my understanding

that one of the planets has to win and other one has to lose the

battle and subsequently lose its power and it can lose its power to

give benefic results if it happened to be benefic?

 

Well that was just my understanding and Gurujis and other

learned members please correct me wherever I am wrong.

 

But the main question that is still haunting me is what is

the reason that Sanjayji has mentioned the same degree and ignored

the minutes and seconds for the charakaraka replacement. As I have

posted in my first message in this series (Refer Message #11827 of

this list), it may also happen that longitude difference of two of

the planets could be less than one degree but they could be in two

different degrees. Ex: 26Ta01 and 25Ar59.

 

Waiting for Sanjayji, Visti Guruji, your and other members of

the lists comments.

 

With Best Regards,

Prabhakar

 

varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar, Shailesh, and Hari,

>

> I agree we must stop somewhere, so we could stop at seconds and

disregard

> milliseconds. Further, Shailesh already said it, they will function

as

> co-karaka and the slot that falls vacant is filled up with

naisargika

> karaka.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

I forgot to add continuing statement to one of the paragraph.

I am rewrite that paragraph with the missing statement in capital

letters

 

Thanks and Regards,

Prabhakar

 

 

 

> As per my understanding, in tussel for charakarakatwa (which

> subsequently leads charakaraka replacement) the planets in

competence

> may not lose their power as they are not in war but just in

> competition to gain a particular karakatwa and they sequencially

get

> the opportunity to lead the role of higher karakatwa for which they

> are in tussel.

>

> But in case of Graha Yudha am I right in my understanding

> that one of the planets has to win and other one has to lose the

> battle and subsequently lose its power and it can lose its power to

> give benefic results if it happened to be benefic? AND IN THAT CASE

WHAT KIND OF RULE IT PLAYS IN THE CHARA KARAKA REPLACEMENT WHEN THE

MADHYAKHETAU/ANTYA KARAKA REPLACES AGRA KARAKA OF THE PARTICULAR

KARAKATWA.

>

> Well that was just my understanding and Gurujis and other

> learned members please correct me wherever I am wrong.

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

 

Dear Hari, Dhira Krishna, Saileshji, Chandrashekharji,

 

Namasthe. While thinking for the reason behind 360 division

of Zodiac I got a hint whether the 360 divisions of the zodiac is

based on the fact that Earth takes 360 days to make a complete circle

around the Sun. But I am not sure whether it is correct or not

learned memebers please correct me.

 

But the question still remains is whether each degree

should be considered as a boundary just as we consider the boundary

for the sign in order to consider the Charakaraka Replacement or

still can we consider the mutual longitude difference even if the two

Grahas are in different degrees?

 

Regards,

Prabhakar

[Guest guest]

Dear Prabhakar,

You separate the two concepts. Chara karaka, madhya Karaka( Madhyaketu)

and Upaketu (Antyakaraka) are clearly mentioned by Parashara and exactly

how to go about identifying them. When degrees are different the next

becomes Amatyakaraka, is also stated unambiguously. I trust the

confusion is cleared now.

The 360 degrees are related to Movement of Sun through Rasis in 12

months (representing Rasis). The basis is the days taken for number of

Ahoratries, which are 30 in a month(Savana Maas). I hope this clarifies

both your doubts.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Prabhakar wrote:

 

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> || Om Krishna Guru ||

>

> Dear Hari, Dhira Krishna, Saileshji, Chandrashekharji,

>

> Namasthe. While thinking for the reason behind 360 division

> of Zodiac I got a hint whether the 360 divisions of the zodiac is

> based on the fact that Earth takes 360 days to make a complete circle

> around the Sun. But I am not sure whether it is correct or not

> learned memebers please correct me.

>

> But the question still remains is whether each degree

> should be considered as a boundary just as we consider the boundary

> for the sign in order to consider the Charakaraka Replacement or

> still can we consider the mutual longitude difference even if the two

> Grahas are in different degrees?

>

> Regards,

> Prabhakar

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

> ------

> *

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Yes, you are right. Now for me it appears very logical for the

reason behind the Charakaraka Replacement for the planets in the Same

Degrees. Thanks for clearing the rest of my doubts. :-)

 

Thanks alot,

Prabhakar

 

varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel>

wrote:

> Dear Prabhakar,

> You separate the two concepts. Chara karaka, madhya Karaka(

Madhyaketu)

> and Upaketu (Antyakaraka) are clearly mentioned by Parashara and

exactly

> how to go about identifying them. When degrees are different the

next

> becomes Amatyakaraka, is also stated unambiguously. I trust the

> confusion is cleared now.

> The 360 degrees are related to Movement of Sun through Rasis in 12

> months (representing Rasis). The basis is the days taken for number

of

> Ahoratries, which are 30 in a month(Savana Maas). I hope this

clarifies

> both your doubts.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabhakar wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > || Om Krishna Guru ||

> >

> > Dear Hari, Dhira Krishna, Saileshji, Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Namasthe. While thinking for the reason behind 360

division

> > of Zodiac I got a hint whether the 360 divisions of the zodiac is

> > based on the fact that Earth takes 360 days to make a complete

circle

> > around the Sun. But I am not sure whether it is correct or not

> > learned memebers please correct me.

> >

> > But the question still remains is whether each degree

> > should be considered as a boundary just as we consider the

boundary

> > for the sign in order to consider the Charakaraka Replacement or

> > still can we consider the mutual longitude difference even if the

two

> > Grahas are in different degrees?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Prabhakar

> >

> >

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

> >

> >

------

> > *

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Take a look at Hitler's chart.

 

He has AK Venus at 24-23 and Amk Mars at 24-05.

Venus won in graha yuddha,

defeating Mars. Mars was defeated, weak, and down trodden and became very

malefic. " Selling of his soul to the devil " took place when the charakaraka replacement happened. The downtrodden, evil

Mars in Ruchaka Mahapurusha

Yoga replaced Venus AK, and took charge.

 

                      Rasi                      

+--------------+

| \                   /   \    

Gk            / |

|   \               /       \     

Md      

/   |

|     \           /           \           /    

|

|       \       /               \       /      

|

|Ke       \   /                   \   /        

|

|Mo   Ju    x         

As          

x           |

|         /   \                   /   \        

|

|       /       \        

      /       \      

|

|     /           \           /           \    

|

|   /               \   7  

/      AL      

\   |

| /                   \   /                   \ |

|          GL           x          Sa           |

| \                   /   \                   / |

|   \               /       \               /   |

|     \           /           \           /    

|

|       \       /     

Ma       \       /      

|

|         \   /                   \   /        

|

|           x    VeR   Su          

x       Ra  |

|         /   \                   /   \        

|

|       /       \     

Me       /       \      

|

|     /           \           /           \    

|

|   /               \       /     

HL       \   |

| /                   \   /                   \ |

+--------------+

Hitler, Adolf

 

Natal Chart

 

Date:          April 20, 1889

Time:          6:30:00 pm

Time Zone:     0:52:00 (East of

GMT)

Place:         13 E 02' 00 " ,

48 N 15' 00 "

Altitude:      0.00 meters

 

Lunar Yr-Mo:   Virodhi - Chaitra

Tithi:         Krishna

Shashthi (Ve) (51.50% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra:     Poorvashadha (Ve) (92.56% left)

Yoga:          Siva (Me)

Karana:        Garija (Ju)

Hora Lord:     Mars (5 min sign: Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Ge)

Kaala Lord:    Venus (Mahakala:

Venus)

 

Sunrise:       5:03:55 am

Sunset:        6:57:13 pm

Janma Ghatis: 

33.5866

 

Ayanamsa:      22-18-24.26

Sidereal Time: 8:26:06

 

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

Prabhakar [pkvirus99]

Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:28 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka

Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna

||

 

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

      Am I also allowed to write

few words regarding the

Charakaraka Replacement please?

 

      As per the Brihat Parasara Hora Sashtra

Chapter 32 and Slokas

16 & 17, when two or more of the planets occupy same longitude, the

 

vacancy created will be filled by

the Sthira Karaka but not the

Naisargika Karaka.

 

      Regarding the charakaraka scheme as mentioned by the Sanjay

Rath Guruji in his article 'Atmakaraka - Final Proof of two

charakaraka

scheme' has mentioned as following in Chapter-3

Carakaraka disappearance.

 

      " We have already seen

that when two or more planets are in

the same degree (not minutes and

seconds of arc),

they fall into a special group

for the carakäraka status of the

one

that is most advanced (see para 2.2 above). These

käraka

are also known as madhyakhetaù and antyakäraka. "

 

      In his statement Guruji has

clearly mentioned that the

Charakaraka Replacement will take

place for the planets which occupy

the same degree and discarded the

minues and seconds of arc. And also

he has given many example to make

the concept clear but what is

missing in the article is, why Sanjayji is it considered only upto

 

degrees level but not to minutes

and seconds or arc are ignored and

what could be the reason for the

importance of Degrees, because if

the circle had 3600 divisions

instead of 360 divisions then the same

degrees occupied by the two

planets will be 10 degrees apart if the

divisions had been 3600. But as

per Rishis zodiac has been divided

into 360 only with each Rashi

occupying 30 degrees each and probably

there could be some reason for

following only 360 divisions.

 

      Well, if the two planets are

in same sign with same degrees

then they will be surely in graha

yudha. But I think that we cannot

consider the tussel

for the chara karakatwa as

the Graha Yudha as it

may not be in the same sign

though they may be in the similar

longitudes in their respective rashis.

 

      But when I was reading the

post of Chandrashekarji refering

 

the Graha Yudha,

I got a question as what will happen if the two

planets competing for the same karakatwa happened to be in the same

rasi. In that case it is clearly

not only the tussel for the

Charakarakatwa but it will also

going to be Graha Yudha.

 

      As per my understanding, in tussel for charakarakatwa (which

subsequently leads charakaraka replacement) the planets in competence

may not lose their power as they

are not in war but just in

competition to gain a particular karakatwa and they sequencially

get

the opportunity to lead the role

of higher karakatwa for which they

are in tussel.

 

      But in case of Graha Yudha am I right in my understanding

that one of the planets has to

win and other one has to lose the

battle and subsequently lose its

power and it can lose its power to

give benefic results if it

happened to be benefic?

 

      Well that was just my

understanding and Gurujis and other

learned members please correct me

wherever I am wrong.

 

      But the main question that

is still haunting me is what is

the reason that Sanjayji has mentioned the same degree and ignored

the minutes and seconds for the charakaraka replacement. As I have

posted in my first message in

this series (Refer Message #11827 of

this list), it may also happen

that longitude difference of two of

the planets could be less than

one degree but they could be in two

different degrees. Ex: 26Ta01 and

25Ar59.

 

      Waiting for Sanjayji, Visti Guruji, your and other members of

the lists comments.

 

With Best Regards,

Prabhakar

 

varahamihira , " Dhira

Krsna BCS "

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar, Shailesh,

and Hari,

>

> I agree we must stop somewhere, so we could stop at seconds and

disregard

> milliseconds. Further, Shailesh already said it, they will function

as

> co-karaka and the slot that falls vacant

is filled up with

naisargika

> karaka.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna

dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Freedom,

 

Can you expand more on the meaning of planets in the same trimsamsa?

And what is the correct type of trimsamsa to be seen for figuring

out the effect of charakarakas at the same degree?

 

regards

Hari

 

varahamihira , " Freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> The AK is the soul of the individual, the other charakarakas are

the soul of

> those particular other people. The AK is the King (The Sun), soul

level. The

> rasi's belong to the Sun, and its 360 degree transit. When planets

occupy

> the same degree, independent of sign, they share the same

trimshamsa.

> (Notice there are three different types of trimshamsa).

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

>

> Prabhakar [pkvirus99]

> Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:01 PM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic

doubts

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> || Om Krishna Guru ||

>

> Dear Hari, Dhira Krishna, Saileshji, Chandrashekharji,

>

> Namasthe. While thinking for the reason behind 360

division

> of Zodiac I got a hint whether the 360 divisions of the zodiac is

> based on the fact that Earth takes 360 days to make a complete

circle

> around the Sun. But I am not sure whether it is correct or not

> learned memebers please correct me.

>

> But the question still remains is whether each degree

> should be considered as a boundary just as we consider the

boundary

> for the sign in order to consider the Charakaraka Replacement or

> still can we consider the mutual longitude difference even if the

two

> Grahas are in different degrees?

>

> Regards,

> Prabhakar

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

[Guest guest]

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Freedomji,

I now understand that the planet loosing the yuddha becomes weak and very malefic. Sanjayji's article talks about the lower charakarka striving and eventually taking over! You have mentioned "when the replacement happened.....evil Mars took charge".

Can the take over be timed? How would the evil planet function in cases of people who are not mahapurusha or 'ordinary' so to say?

Kind Regards

Ramesh

 

Freedom [freedom]Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:55 PMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Take a look at Hitler's chart.

He has AK Venus at 24-23 and Amk Mars at 24-05.

Venus won in graha yuddha, defeating Mars. Mars was defeated, weak, and down trodden and became very malefic. "Selling of his soul to the devil" took place when the charakaraka replacement happened. The downtrodden, evil Mars in Ruchaka Mahapurusha Yoga replaced Venus AK, and took charge.

 

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ / \ Gk / |

| \ / \ Md / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|Ke \ / \ / |

|Mo Ju x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 7 / AL \ |

| / \ / \ |

| GL x Sa |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ma \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| x VeR Su x Ra |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Me / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / HL \ |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

Hitler, Adolf

 

Natal Chart

 

April 20, 1889

Time: 6:30:00 pm

Time Zone: 0:52:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 13 E 02' 00", 48 N 15' 00"

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

Lunar Yr-Mo: Virodhi - Chaitra

Tithi: Krishna Shashthi (Ve) (51.50% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra: Poorvashadha (Ve) (92.56% left)

Yoga: Siva (Me)

Karana: Garija (Ju)

Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Ge)

Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)

 

Sunrise: 5:03:55 am

Sunset: 6:57:13 pm

Janma Ghatis: 33.5866

 

Ayanamsa: 22-18-24.26

Sidereal Time: 8:26:06

 

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

Prabhakar [pkvirus99]

Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:28 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

Am I also allowed to write few words regarding the

Charakaraka Replacement please?

 

As per the Brihat Parasara Hora Sashtra Chapter 32 and Slokas

16 & 17, when two or more of the planets occupy same longitude, the

vacancy created will be filled by the Sthira Karaka but not the

Naisargika Karaka.

 

Regarding the charakaraka scheme as mentioned by the Sanjay

Rath Guruji in his article 'Atmakaraka - Final Proof of two

charakaraka scheme' has mentioned as following in Chapter-3

Carakaraka disappearance.

 

"We have already seen that when two or more planets are in

the same degree (not minutes and seconds of arc),

they fall into a special group for the carakäraka status of the

one

that is most advanced (see para 2.2 above). These

käraka are also known as madhyakhetaù and antyakäraka."

 

In his statement Guruji has clearly mentioned that the

Charakaraka Replacement will take place for the planets which occupy

the same degree and discarded the minues and seconds of arc. And also

he has given many example to make the concept clear but what is

missing in the article is, why Sanjayji is it considered only upto

degrees level but not to minutes and seconds or arc are ignored and

what could be the reason for the importance of Degrees, because if

the circle had 3600 divisions instead of 360 divisions then the same

degrees occupied by the two planets will be 10 degrees apart if the

divisions had been 3600. But as per Rishis zodiac has been divided

into 360 only with each Rashi occupying 30 degrees each and probably

there could be some reason for following only 360 divisions.

 

Well, if the two planets are in same sign with same degrees

then they will be surely in graha yudha. But I think that we cannot

consider the tussel for the chara karakatwa as the Graha Yudha as it

may not be in the same sign though they may be in the similar

longitudes in their respective rashis.

 

But when I was reading the post of Chandrashekarji refering

the Graha Yudha, I got a question as what will happen if the two

planets competing for the same karakatwa happened to be in the same

rasi. In that case it is clearly not only the tussel for the

Charakarakatwa but it will also going to be Graha Yudha.

 

As per my understanding, in tussel for charakarakatwa (which

subsequently leads charakaraka replacement) the planets in competence

may not lose their power as they are not in war but just in

competition to gain a particular karakatwa and they sequencially get

the opportunity to lead the role of higher karakatwa for which they

are in tussel.

 

But in case of Graha Yudha am I right in my understanding

that one of the planets has to win and other one has to lose the

battle and subsequently lose its power and it can lose its power to

give benefic results if it happened to be benefic?

 

Well that was just my understanding and Gurujis and other

learned members please correct me wherever I am wrong.

 

But the main question that is still haunting me is what is

the reason that Sanjayji has mentioned the same degree and ignored

the minutes and seconds for the charakaraka replacement. As I have

posted in my first message in this series (Refer Message #11827 of

this list), it may also happen that longitude difference of two of

the planets could be less than one degree but they could be in two

different degrees. Ex: 26Ta01 and 25Ar59.

 

Waiting for Sanjayji, Visti Guruji, your and other members of

the lists comments.

 

With Best Regards,

Prabhakar

 

varahamihira , "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar, Shailesh, and Hari,

>

> I agree we must stop somewhere, so we could stop at seconds and

disregard

> milliseconds. Further, Shailesh already said it, they will function

as

> co-karaka and the slot that falls vacant is filled up with

naisargika

> karaka.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krsna

 

The replacement is most often timed with

naisargika dasa, and the natural maturity of the planets based on naisargika

dasa.

My thoughts on cases when it is not a

mahapurusha yoga; it may be taken it out on the girlfriend (hitler’s

7th house) instead of the world, just smaller scale and

repercussions.

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

 

 

 

Ramesh Gangaramani

[ramesh.gangaramani]

Wednesday, April 07, 2004

7:08 PM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha|

Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

 

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Freedomji,

 

 

I now understand that the planet loosing

the yuddha becomes weak and very malefic. Sanjayji's article talks about

the lower charakarka striving and eventually taking over! You have mentioned

" when the replacement happened.....evil Mars took charge " .

 

 

Can the take over be timed? How would

the evil planet function in cases of people who are not mahapurusha or

'ordinary' so to say?

 

 

Kind Regards

 

 

Ramesh

 

 

 

Freedom

[freedom]

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:55

PM

varahamihira

RE: |Sri Varaha|

Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

Hare Rama Krsna

 

Take a look at Hitler's chart.

 

He has AK Venus at 24-23 and Amk Mars at

24-05.

Venus won in graha yuddha, defeating

Mars. Mars was defeated, weak, and down trodden and became very malefic.

" Selling of his soul to the devil " took place when the charakaraka

replacement happened. The downtrodden, evil Mars in Ruchaka Mahapurusha Yoga

replaced Venus AK, and took charge.

 

                      Rasi                      

+--------------+

| \                   /   \    

Gk            / |

|   \               /       \     

Md       /   |

|     \           /   

       \           /    

|

|       \       /               \       /      

|

|Ke       \   /                   \   /        

|

|Mo   Ju    x         

As           x           |

|         /   \                   /   \        

|

|       /       \               /      

\       |

|     /           \           /           \    

|

|   /               \   7  

/      AL      

\   |

| /                   \   /                   \ |

|          GL           x          Sa           |

| \                   /   \       

           / |

|   \               /       \               /   |

|     \           /           \           /    

|

|       \       /     

Ma       \       /      

|

|         \   /                   \   /        

|

|           x    VeR  

Su           x       Ra  |

|         /   \                   /   \        

|

|       /       \     

Me       /       \      

|

|     /           \           /           \    

|

|   /               \       /     

HL       \   |

| /                   \   /                   \ |

+--------------+

Hitler, Adolf

 

Natal Chart

 

Date:          April 20, 1889

Time:          6:30:00 pm

Time Zone:     0:52:00 (East of

GMT)

Place:         13 E 02' 00 " ,

48 N 15' 00 "

Altitude:      0.00 meters

 

Lunar Yr-Mo:   Virodhi - Chaitra

Tithi:         Krishna

Shashthi (Ve) (51.50% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra:     Poorvashadha (Ve)

(92.56% left)

Yoga:          Siva (Me)

Karana:        Garija (Ju)

Hora Lord:     Mars (5 min sign:

Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Ge)

Kaala Lord:    Venus (Mahakala:

Venus)

 

Sunrise:       5:03:55 am

Sunset:        6:57:13 pm

Janma Ghatis:  33.5866

 

Ayanamsa:      22-18-24.26

Sidereal Time: 8:26:06

 

 

Namah Sivaya

 

 

Prabhakar [pkvirus99]

Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:28 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Charakaraka Replacement - Few basic doubts

 

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

|| Om Krishna Guru ||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

      Am I also allowed to write

few words regarding the

Charakaraka Replacement please?

 

      As per the Brihat Parasara

Hora Sashtra Chapter 32 and Slokas

16 & 17, when two or more of the planets occupy same longitude, the

 

vacancy created will be filled by the Sthira Karaka but not the

Naisargika Karaka.

 

      Regarding the charakaraka

scheme as mentioned by the Sanjay

Rath Guruji in his article 'Atmakaraka - Final Proof of two

charakaraka scheme' has mentioned as following in Chapter-3

Carakaraka disappearance.

 

      " We have already seen

that when two or more planets are in

the same degree (not minutes and seconds of arc),

they fall into a special group for the carakäraka status of the

one

that is most advanced (see para 2.2 above). These

käraka are also known as madhyakhetaù and antyakäraka. "

 

      In his statement Guruji has

clearly mentioned that the

Charakaraka Replacement will take place for the planets which occupy

the same degree and discarded the minues and seconds of arc. And also

he has given many example to make the concept clear but what is

missing in the article is, why Sanjayji is it considered only upto

degrees level but not to minutes and seconds or arc are ignored and

what could be the reason for the importance of Degrees, because if

the circle had 3600 divisions instead of 360 divisions then the same

degrees occupied by the two planets will be 10 degrees apart if the

divisions had been 3600. But as per Rishis zodiac has been divided

into 360 only with each Rashi occupying 30 degrees each and probably

there could be some reason for following only 360 divisions.

 

      Well, if the two planets are

in same sign with same degrees

then they will be surely in graha yudha. But I think that we cannot

consider the tussel for the chara karakatwa as the Graha Yudha as it

may not be in the same sign though they may be in the similar

longitudes in their respective rashis.

 

      But when I was reading the

post of Chandrashekarji refering

the Graha Yudha, I got a question as what will happen if the two

planets competing for the same karakatwa happened to be in the same

rasi. In that case it is clearly not only the tussel for the

Charakarakatwa but it will also going to be Graha Yudha.

 

      As per my understanding, in

tussel for charakarakatwa (which

subsequently leads charakaraka replacement) the planets in competence

may not lose their power as they are not in war but just in

competition to gain a particular karakatwa and they sequencially get

the opportunity to lead the role of higher karakatwa for which they

are in tussel.

 

      But in case of Graha Yudha

am I right in my understanding

that one of the planets has to win and other one has to lose the

battle and subsequently lose its power and it can lose its power to

give benefic results if it happened to be benefic?

 

      Well that was just my

understanding and Gurujis and other

learned members please correct me wherever I am wrong.

 

      But the main question that

is still haunting me is what is

the reason that Sanjayji has mentioned the same degree and ignored

the minutes and seconds for the charakaraka replacement. As I have

posted in my first message in this series (Refer Message #11827 of

this list), it may also happen that longitude difference of two of

the planets could be less than one degree but they could be in two

different degrees. Ex: 26Ta01 and 25Ar59.

 

      Waiting for Sanjayji, Visti

Guruji, your and other members of

the lists comments.

 

With Best Regards,

Prabhakar

 

varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekhar, Shailesh, and Hari,

>

> I agree we must stop somewhere, so we could stop at seconds and

disregard

> milliseconds. Further, Shailesh already said it, they will

function

as

> co-karaka and the slot that falls vacant is filled up with

naisargika

> karaka.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com