Atmakarak article

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Guruji Pranam

 

I am very glad to see your article on atmakarak. It is very

encouraging

to see you teaching basics of astrology.Below I am giving only

relevent

portions of your article in " " to give my comments and doubts.

PLEASE FIND MY REMARKS/DOUBTS BELOW:

 

SANJAY RATHJI WROTE:

 

" we believe that the atma is separated from the mana and the

senses/organs as a part of the process of death. This is the greatest

gift of Mahesvara. How else could the atma and mana reunite during

the birth process (as explained by Varahamihira above) if they were

not separated beforehand? "

 

ANIL: if Atma and mana are separated,then mana being JADA,it can not

carry

any karma with it.It will simply become non-existant like physical

body.

Atma has an envelop called Manomay Kosh that carries all karma with

it.

When it is removed,Atma gets Moksh.

 

" guru devata is indicated by the bhratrkaraka "

 

ANIL: This endorses the view of KN Rao that PiK is same as BK since

Guru is seen from 9th like father.I am not much interested in this

discussion as PiK is separately defined in 8 Karaka scheme.

 

" when instead of the natural significators, the Carakaraka (temporal

significators) are used, Then the tripod of life comprises the

atmakaraka (soul), arudha lagna (mind) and paka lagna

(intelligence/body). "

 

ANIL: Do you mean AK=Sun,AL=Moon,PAK-Lagn=Lagn?

Then How will you differentiate pak-lagn and lagn? will they indicate

same things?Please clear the difference.

 

" In the opinion of others or in another viewpoint (anye) the

putrakaraka (PK) is merged into the matrkaraka(MK) i.e. there are

only seven carakaraka where the putrakaraka (PK) is explicitly

excluded. The seven carakaraka

are (1) atmakaraka (AK) (2) amatyakaraka (AmK), (3) bhratrkaraka

(BK), (4) matrkaraka (MK), (5) pitrkaraka (PiK),(6) jnatikaraka (GK)

and (7) darakaraka (DK). "

 

ANIL:While above verse about merger of PK with MK is given,Most

versions

of BPHS and JS omit PiK in charkarakas but PK is always mentioned by

all translations.It looks like you are forcing PiK in place of PK by

neglecting explicit mention of PK in various texts.

 

" The living beings are capable of procreation, which the non-living

world is incapable of, and this is the reason for merger of the

putrakaraka (PK) with the matrkaraka (MK) as the putrakaraka ceases

to have any

relevance for the non-living creation. "

 

ANIL: While you are correct in this,consider a company expands and

creates

a new company for handling its marketing.Isn't it a child of parent

company?

Division of a political party in 2 or more parties can also be viewed

in

a similar way as parent party still exist and another party is formed

from

it. So we can call parent as either mother or father and one of them

can

be omited.So PiK is normally omited but PK certainly exist.

 

" Those karaka that are in kendra (1, 4, 7 & 10) to the atmakaraka are

fully supported by it and are strong; those in panapara houses (2, 5,

8 & 11) are weaker and those in apoklimas houses (3, 6, 9 & 12) are

the weakest.

Those signs/planets aspected or conjoined the atmakaraka are the

strongest as they have the personal interference of the king (native

himself). These are the external or known wishes of the native. "

 

ANIL: This is clear if we apply blindly but a planet in apoklima may

be

aspected by AK so it is weak and strongest at the same time.

 

" If the atmakaraka favors the activity and the people concerned (i.e.

both the naisargika and carakaraka) then the work is surely

accomplished. If the atmakaraka does not approve of either the

activity(naisargika karaka) or the concerned people (carakaraka) then

the accomplishment is difficult. If the atmakaraka disfavors both the

activity and people, then the accomplishment is impossible. "

 

ANIL: How do we find if AK favours or not?Do you mean if planet is

strong,

then it favours or something else?Do you decide it by Argala or

Panchdha

Maitri or Naisargik Maitri?Please give some example.In example

chart,you

said 6/8 or 2/12 position from AK are undesired.Is it the final Clue?

 

" Planets in kendra and trikona (1 st , 4 th , 5 th , 7 th , 9 th & 10

th houses) from the atmakaraka are competent to do its bidding while

those in dusthana (6, 8 & 12) would not be able to do it for reasons

of ill health (6 th & 8 th houses) or losses anticipated (12 th

house) and those in trika (3 rd , 6 th & 11 th houses) will do the

opposite or act inimically towards the atmakaraka "

 

ANIL: Please note that TRIK houses are only 6/8/12 as defined by

parashara.

Kindly do not mix upchayas with trik.I have not seen any classic so

far

that uses trik for 3,6,11. You must avoid such uses in your writtings

as

they can misguide several students. 11th indicates friends too.so it

can

not be opposite to AK. -ve of -ve is always +ve.So enemy of enemy is

friend

not enemy.While appling bhavat bhavam we must remember what we are

finding.

Life of life is indeed life so it is applicable to 8th but not 6th or

12th.

 

" According to some the seven carakaraka are related to the seven

houses from lagna to seventh in the regular order with the atmakaraka

mapped to 1st house,amatyakaraka mapped to second house and so on.

This is in contravention to the teachings of Parasara where it is

explicitly mentioned that the darakaraka is the significator for the

second house. " ....(1)

 

" The atmakaraka(AK) is a significator of the ascendant (janma lagna).

The darakaraka (DK) is the significator for the second house(dhana

bhava). Bhratrkaraka (BK) is the significator for the eleventh house

(elder co-born) and third house (younger co-born). The putrakaraka

(PK) is the significator of the fifth house and the darakaraka (DK)

is also the significator

of the seventh house. Sometimes the planets in the fifth house can

also act as the significator and bring about marriage. " .......(2)

 

ANIL: What is MAPPED in (1) is karakas to house. After all Shukr is

karaka

for vehicals(4th) and wife(7th). It is however not a BHAV-KARAK for

4th.

Similarly AmK stands for Arth(2nd) and Career(10th).

In (2) I am sorry that you have reversed the meaning. It is not DK

that

is significator for 2nd house but 2nd house is significator of DK!

Just like grahas are defined as BHAV-KARAK, similarly Bhavas are also

defined as char-Karak in above verses. Again, just like moon is

karaka for

4th,it will not show vehicals,similarly bhavas may not fully show all

aspects of char-karaka.we may have secondary Bhavas as karak to

suppliment

variowus aspects of char-karakas.

 

" The Lagna lord is always like the Sun irrespective of whatever

planet may lord the lagna. The lagna lord is well placed in those

houses whose natural significators are friendly to the Sun. "

 

ANIL: Thanks for the tip. Kindly help me to extend it to other lagnas

where sun is not karak. eg. in HL we have Guru as Karak so can we

apply

above rule using friendship with guru? similarly if we take Sun lagn,

Moon lagn,Mangal lagn etc.. as per Ashtakvarg,then should we judge the

placements wrt frindship of respective planet?

 

Now if we use above,how to extend the rule to other houses?eg. who is

karaka for 2nd,3rd etc.. house from shani?Please give some guidance

in this regard.

 

" Let us examine the demographic, political and other changes in

fortune with the new 144-year chart. "

 

ANIL: What do you mean by this chart?why 144? How to calculate it?Is

it

drawn for all when longivity extends beyond 144 years?You have not

given

birth details of any chart and hence I can not imagine deeper.Please

include birth details for all charts for better understanding.

 

" Count the number of signs from AK to navamsa lagna. This number will

indicate the results of the house that shall predominate. Check the

strength of Karaka of such house. Do this exercise both in Rasi and

in Navamsa chart.

Rasi chart results like that of Sri Krishna and other great persons

while navamsa for all others "

 

ANIL: which strength you consider? exaltation etc./more planet/kendra

from

AK? please mention. How to make the choice for D1 OR D9? we may not be

knowing if the person is great before he becomes great.do you want to

suggest that D1 of great persons are more prominant/stronger then

their D9?

 

I found several charts missing in the file and no birth data so I

could not

attempt exercises.You have given excellent explaination of space-craft

predictions but there is only one month to time events.If the events

can

occure after some months or years,can we extend the rules to sun and

Guru

for timing?

 

I could not see any examples/rules used in timing events related to

AK etc. also there are no guidelines for timing replacements of

char-karakas.I hope you will take some time to reply and give your

blessings to all of us.

 

THANKS FOR VERY NICE ARTICLE.

 

Anilkumar

 

OM TAT SAT

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Freedom [freedom]

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:31 PM

'varahamihira '

RE: |Sri Varaha| Atmakarak article

 

Hare Rama Krsna

 

One answer to your long list, given below.

 

 

aokedia [anilkedia]

Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:12 PM

varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Atmakarak article

 

SANJAY RATHJI WROTE:

 

" we believe that the atma is separated from the mana and the

senses/organs as a part of the process of death. This is the greatest

gift of Mahesvara. How else could the atma and mana reunite during

the birth process (as explained by Varahamihira above) if they were

not separated beforehand? "

 

ANIL: if Atma and mana are separated,then mana being JADA,it can not

carry any karma with it.It will simply become non-existant like physical

body. Atma has an envelop called Manomay Kosh that carries all karma with

it. When it is removed,Atma gets Moksh.

 

Freedom: The manomaya kosha does not contain the karmas, they are much more

subtle and contained within the vijnana maya kosha. The stored karmas there

effect the thoughts that arise in the manomaya kosha.

There is a triangle of cause and effect where the samskaras in the vijnana

maya kosha give rise to the desire in the manomaya kosh which leads to

action, that action creates more samskaras which lead to more desires.

The Atma leaves the anna maya, prana maya, and mano maya kosha behind at

death. The mind is more solid/gross than most realize.

 

 

Namah Sivaya