RE: RE: RE: Ishta-Devta for Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

[Guest guest]

Dear Saaji and others who wrote to me,

 

I will have to take a rain check for a couple of weeks on your queries as I

will be in Singapore. I will definitely read and reply to your mails once I

return...so do wait for me!

 

Thanks,

 

Sarbani

 

 

saaji kulangara [saajik]

Monday, May 24, 2004 2:20 PM

sarbani; varahamihira

Fwd: RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: [vedic astrology] RE: Ishta-Devta for

Mars and a Story from Uddhava Gita

 

Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

 

Dear Sarbani Ji,

 

Nice, you wrote in Varahamihira List, I'm comfortable here : -)

 

Ques 2 : I dont know whether I'm correct, but in Maheshwar khand of Skanda

Puranam it's said that Skanda accepted Devasena his wife. I dont have Purana

with me so please read this portion if you have Skanda Puranam. In

Subrahmanya Sahasranamam we recite at the end: Sri Valli Devasena sameta

Subrahmanyaya namah, And Sri Ramadasji earlier wrote some other points also.

And there are many temples where Subrahmanya has Valli and Devasena with

him. If he's not married what does it mean?

 

To your next point, ...sarva deva namaskara keshava pratigachhati.

(Where is it from?) Well I'm a Vishnu bhakta also as my mom taught me in my

childhood, only vishnu namam(Narayana) we can utter whatever we do, or

wherever we are. Rest all have reservations like cleanliness, concentration

and the like. With this point, reciting the name of Lord Vishnu, let me tell

you again that what you wrote is again a one sided coin. In Shiva Purana and

related Puranas, it says Lord Shiva is one who entrusts the job of creation

to Brahma, sthiti to Lord Vishnu, while He's the omnipotent. The Puranas

themselves have contradictions in many matters, and since the words of

Maharshis cant go wrong or what all they say have to come true, we have to

assume that all are correct, which will ultimately lead us to the fact that

all is one, and it's our mindset that differentiates Gods. Earlier you wrote

that .......adya shakti are various forms for that paramatman. When you say

Adi Parashakti, doesn't that mean Paramatman itself ? Or you again

differentiate this? Ofcourse the creation of Universe is a mistery and I

think this is the only matter even Hrishis couldn't answer clearly. I have

read a few selected chapters of Brihat Samhita, in the first or second

chapter the great Varahmihira says Kapila Maharshi and others hold different

opinions in this matter. Leave this, my earlier lines are to the point.

 

In Lalitha Sahasranamam it's said that those who recited other sahasranamams

janmajanmanthar can only get Lalitha Sahasranamam ?

Have you gone through Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam? Since you have deep knowledge

of mantras and stotras you might be. Doesn't that clearly state if there is

no shakti or Devi, there is no Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwar??? In Sri Devi

Mahatmyam(Durga Saptashati) , Devi gave boon to the King that He will become

a 'Manu'. I know , there are many temples where we have 'Sanakara Narayanan'

and Ardhanareeswaran!

 

I shall conclude narrating one other story in short, one great scholar or a

saint jumped from a high story building saying ` If there is some one called

God is true, I wont happen anything `, he had only fracture on his legs. The

other scholars made him brasht, since he didnt say ` Since there is God I

wont happen anything `, the reason was the scholar had doubts in his mind!

 

I may have misunderstood your points again(u have my horoscope, hence u can

understand that I often do), but I'm sure that, it will ensure a better

explanation from your deep and vast knowledge.

 

Best Regards,

 

Saaji

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

Dear Hari,

 

1. The dvadasakshari is Om Namo Bhagavate Narasimhaya. There is another

beautiful mantra but as there some objections on VA list, I will not post it

there; but maybe I will post it on Varahamihira.

 

2. Please quote me the shastra or purana which says Kartikeya is married.

 

3. This is not my view, but what we follow at SJC. The ultimate goal is

Vishnu...sarva deva namaskara keshava pratigachhati. But we feel that

everyone is not ready to worship the ultimate. You begin somewhere; and you

can begin with any deity but you will end up with Vishnu. The beginning

depends on one's spiritual development. Also Shubhnagi does not specifically

have a Vhamunda yoga: for that you need either Venus in 5th, or Mars and

Venus together or Mars, Venus and Rahu together. More later in mail to

Shubhnagi.

 

Bets regards,

 

Sarbani

 

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Hari M [onlyhari]

Monday, May 17, 2004 5:19 PM

Sarbani Sarkar; 'Shubhangi Naik'; vedic astrology

Cc: varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Re: [vedic astrology] RE: Ishta-Devta for Mars and a

Story from Uddhava Gita

 

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Sarbani,

 

I agree with your point. However I would like to clarify whether the mantra

you advised for Shubhangi ie., Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya is

dwadasakshari or not; it appears to have thirteen aksharas.

 

Secondly, I am also surprised when you say that generally women dont worship

Murugan or Lord Subramania Swamy...in the South, for many families, Muruga

is usually the kula devata and hence women also worship him.

 

Thirdly I understand from your email that worship of Chamundi is also satvik

so why not give a choice and leave it to the person to choose as per his/her

wishes. Your stand, while justified, is rather rigid and leaves no choice

for the person to choose his/her istadevata in the pantheon of Hindu

deities.

 

regards

Hari

 

Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

 

Dear Shubhangi (and Hari),

 

We are taught in our parampara that the the ultimate goal is the paramam

padam or Vishnu. In order to relieve the burden of our sins and lead us

towards moksha; to forgive and protect us at all times; the one in whom we

take sharana in our darkest hour, is the Ishta Devata. We always worship the

Ishta Devata as Vishnu in one of the dasavatar forms as only Vishnu will

lead us to moksha, as he is the ultimate end or satya. The mantras we use

for Ishta Devata prarthana is from the Bhagavat Purana with prefixes of Om

Namo Bhagavate...In your case, Mars as Ishta Devata indicates Nrisimhadeva

and the Ishta Mantra for the same is Om Namo Bhagavate Nrisimhadevaya.

 

Mars when otherwise indicating deities in any of the charts, can represent

Kartikeya, Hanuman or Chamunda. Usually women don't worship Kartikeya, the

God of War, although Subramania Swamy is greatly revered in the south.

Hanuman is very much worshippable as he removes all 'sankata' and removes

ugra mangala doshas. Chamunda, the presiding deity of the Devi Mahatmya, is

the goddess who sits in our hearts and who has the utimate power to deliver

even the most tortured souls roaming the universe. She is the great goddess

whom Rama worshipped with the Chamunda Hrdaya mantra (a navarna mantra which

Rama transformed into a dasakshari by adding pranava) immediately prior to

embarking on his final battle with Ravana. She is trigunatmika, very pure

and supremely divine and she is not associated with black magic. That her

immense powers are invoked for tamasik practices is another matter.

For that

matter even Dakshinamurty and Dattatreya are invoked for black magic

practices. In fact the Dattatreya Tantra is one of the worst in such

matters.

 

Let me share a story with all of you from the Uddhava Gita. Krishna says

that there are three methods of worship. The first is Satvik, where the

focus is entirely on Krishna (read: Supreme Being in any form) and is

utterly without any purpose or selfish motivation. The second is Rajasik,

where the worship is motivated for selfish purposes be it siddhi, moksha,

wealth, knowledge etc. and the final type is Tamasik, where the worship is

motivated for selfish purposes along with the intention of harming or

causing injury to another. Ishta Devata worship can never be anything else

but Satvik...and for that matter all other worships as well.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani

 

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Shubhangi Naik [shubhangi_naik@r...]

Monday, May 17, 2004 11:11 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Ishta-Devta for Mars

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

 

I have been reading all the mails on Ishta-devtas and Atmakarakas.

 

I have some queries and concerns regarding ishta-devta for planet

Mars.

 

I understand that hanuman,kartikeya,chamunda-devi and narsimha all

represents mars except kartikeya all 3 are married in their

respective

original forms.

 

All of them except kartikey are incarnations of :

Hanuman - shiva

Chamunda - gauri/parvati

Narsimha - vishnu

 

Generally Hanuman is not advised because he never married and is a

celibate.

If this be than even rest 3 were not married and also the incarnation

was

with specific objective or purpose.

 

I pray hanuman as a representation of mars because know much of

hanuman who

is worshiped all over India but have little or no knowledge or

information

about kartikeya who is more so famous in south as Subramaniym or

Chamunda-devi i know for sure that her name is used while performing

some

evil/black-magic kind of and Narsimha is the one who came to rescue

bhakt

pralhad..

 

Also except for hanuman who is also symbolised as " das " and who

assisted

Rama to attain his objective..the others are warrior gods...

 

Generally one would advise to pray kartikeya, chamunda and

narsimha...but

how is it possible to pray all for one Mars (since all of them

represents

mars) and it would only mean thinking on whether we are praying to a

right

devta or not.

 

I request the members to help me clarify my doubts and concerns.

 

I am enclosing my birth-chart for reference if need be.

 

Is simply praying ishta-devta and regularly performing pooja enough

or one

needs to recite mantras also?

If mantras are necessary, may I request to recommend a mantra to me?

 

I await your response.

Thanking you.

 

Regards

Shubhangi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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