Intriguing doubt - 6th and 8th inter-relationship - from Sanjay

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Dear Sanjay Ji,

I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th and 8th

houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad karma, while

6th to shadripu, enemies etc. Still, 6th is in 11th

from 8th which means it has the ability to destroy bad

karma?? It is like saying that something bad destroys

another bad thing!!! Please explain.

Am I making a wrong inference or missing something?

 

Ofcourse, we can also say that results of 8th (bad

karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then go on to

saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by Tapas/5th), 8th

loses potency and all the negative karma are destroyed

instantaneously. This will imply that it is not the

8th but the 6th which is the most binding house and

also the primary house which gets affected by Tapas

(5th house). And then, we can go on to saying that it

is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys 5th

house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd => Real-Self

Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna as a

shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th using this

line of reasoning, provided it is close to

correctness.

 

 

waiting for reply,

nitish

 

 

 

 

 

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Hare Krishna

Dear Nitish,

Dont forget that the 6/8th house have MANY significations.

For example: 8thhouse ishouse of longevity, but 6th is house of

disease(or lack of)

6th house is among other things house of work.Shows who we serve,how

we serve, and our servants.

8th house is also house of inheritance,gains from marriage for ladies.

 

Also keep in mind.that

any planets in 6/8th house -or any house-aspect the 7th there from

influenceing that house as well.

Best Wishes,

 

Lakshmi Kary

varahamihira , Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjay Ji,

> I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th and 8th

> houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad karma, while

> 6th to shadripu, enemies etc. Still, 6th is in 11th

> from 8th which means it has the ability to destroy bad

> karma?? It is like saying that something bad destroys

> another bad thing!!! Please explain.

> Am I making a wrong inference or missing something?

>

> Ofcourse, we can also say that results of 8th (bad

> karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then go on to

> saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by Tapas/5th), 8th

> loses potency and all the negative karma are destroyed

> instantaneously. This will imply that it is not the

> 8th but the 6th which is the most binding house and

> also the primary house which gets affected by Tapas

> (5th house). And then, we can go on to saying that it

> is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys 5th

> house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd => Real-Self

> Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna as a

> shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th using this

> line of reasoning, provided it is close to

> correctness.

>

>

> waiting for reply,

> nitish

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

>

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-Hare Krishna

Dear Nitish,

im not sure if i addressed your quiry, but another idea is this:

The 7th house is house of rebirth as the planets in it are the cuase

of our rebirth.

So tapas should be addressed to that house.

If tapas if focus on 7th then the 6th falls in the 12 frm it, and the

8th house(knowledge of rebirth etc) is in the second therefrom.

 

Also lagna has to be involved as that is the self.

so many ways to think of it.

All the best ,

Lakshmi

-- In varahamihira , " lakshmisyama " <lakshmikary@n...>

wrote:

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Nitish,

> Dont forget that the 6/8th house have MANY significations.

> For example: 8thhouse ishouse of longevity, but 6th is house of

> disease(or lack of)

> 6th house is among other things house of work.Shows who we

serve,how

> we serve, and our servants.

> 8th house is also house of inheritance,gains from marriage for

ladies.

>

> Also keep in mind.that

> any planets in 6/8th house -or any house-aspect the 7th there from

> influenceing that house as well.

> Best Wishes,

>

> Lakshmi Kary

> varahamihira , Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99>

> wrote:

> > Dear Sanjay Ji,

> > I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th and 8th

> > houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad karma, while

> > 6th to shadripu, enemies etc. Still, 6th is in 11th

> > from 8th which means it has the ability to destroy bad

> > karma?? It is like saying that something bad destroys

> > another bad thing!!! Please explain.

> > Am I making a wrong inference or missing something?

> >

> > Ofcourse, we can also say that results of 8th (bad

> > karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then go on to

> > saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by Tapas/5th), 8th

> > loses potency and all the negative karma are destroyed

> > instantaneously. This will imply that it is not the

> > 8th but the 6th which is the most binding house and

> > also the primary house which gets affected by Tapas

> > (5th house). And then, we can go on to saying that it

> > is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys 5th

> > house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd => Real-Self

> > Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna as a

> > shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th using this

> > line of reasoning, provided it is close to

> > correctness.

> >

> >

> > waiting for reply,

> > nitish

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> >

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|| OM Hring GhriniH Suryaaditya OM ||

Dear Lakshmi ji,

Thanks for your answers but my query remains

unanswered.

My intent was to understand the underlying

philosophy and inter-relationship behind the 6th and

8th houses without getting lost in the total set of

potentialities offered by either of them. In fact,

every single of the multple significations offered by

a house will be in line with its basic philosophy.

E.g. longevity is directly related to ones' past

karma, and service if done for Narayana, instead of

ones' senses and weaknesses, is no effort!

Further, (re)birth is because of sense desires

(7th). Tapas (5th) destroys desires (7th) and cleanses

the sensory attachments/bindings (6th) => tapas is

related to 5th house.

Getting back to the point, my core intent is to

thoroughly understand 3rd house for understanding

these four most potent mantras: -

1. Om Namah Shivaya || 3->6

2. Hare Rama Krishna || 3->6

3. Om Tat Sat || 3->5

4. Om Namo Narayanaya || 3->8

These great mantras give a crucial hint to the

utmost significance and power of 3rd house - as all of

them have 3 letters and have been used to achieve

everything one ever wished!!!

In my opinion, 3rd is the single most significant

house in the horoscope as it shows self-effort -

starting from thinking to breathing to any other

action, all of which ends (11th from 3rd is 1st) to

give an experience of self - which is everything of

your own self. It is also the basic frequency of

relating to Hara i.e. how ones' efforts (3rd) are

related to ones' self (1st) is similar to how ones'

self (1st) is related to Hara (11th) or Shiva, which

is the ultimate reality. Know the primal force and you

know the primal cause.

Best regards,

nitish

--- lakshmisyama <lakshmikary wrote:

> -Hare Krishna

> Dear Nitish,

> im not sure if i addressed your quiry, but another

> idea is this:

> The 7th house is house of rebirth as the planets in

> it are the cuase

> of our rebirth.

> So tapas should be addressed to that house.

> If tapas if focus on 7th then the 6th falls in the

> 12 frm it, and the

> 8th house(knowledge of rebirth etc) is in the second

> therefrom.

>

> Also lagna has to be involved as that is the self.

> so many ways to think of it.

> All the best ,

> Lakshmi

> -- In varahamihira , " lakshmisyama "

> <lakshmikary@n...>

> wrote:

> > Hare Krishna

> > Dear Nitish,

> > Dont forget that the 6/8th house have MANY

> significations.

> > For example: 8thhouse ishouse of longevity, but

> 6th is house of

> > disease(or lack of)

> > 6th house is among other things house of

> work.Shows who we

> serve,how

> > we serve, and our servants.

> > 8th house is also house of inheritance,gains from

> marriage for

> ladies.

> >

> > Also keep in mind.that

> > any planets in 6/8th house -or any house-aspect

> the 7th there from

> > influenceing that house as well.

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Lakshmi Kary

> > varahamihira , Nitish Arya

> <yeeahoo_99>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Sanjay Ji,

> > > I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th and

> 8th

> > > houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad karma,

> while

> > > 6th to shadripu, enemies etc. Still, 6th is in

> 11th

> > > from 8th which means it has the ability to

> destroy bad

> > > karma?? It is like saying that something bad

> destroys

> > > another bad thing!!! Please explain.

> > > Am I making a wrong inference or missing

> something?

> > >

> > > Ofcourse, we can also say that results of 8th

> (bad

> > > karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then go

> on to

> > > saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by

> Tapas/5th), 8th

> > > loses potency and all the negative karma are

> destroyed

> > > instantaneously. This will imply that it is not

> the

> > > 8th but the 6th which is the most binding house

> and

> > > also the primary house which gets affected by

> Tapas

> > > (5th house). And then, we can go on to saying

> that it

> > > is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys

> 5th

> > > house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd =>

> Real-Self

> > > Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna

> as a

> > > shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th

> using this

> > > line of reasoning, provided it is close to

> > > correctness.

> > >

> > >

> > > waiting for reply,

> > > nitish

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> > >

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Nitish,

 

Your point about the action of the three manthras on the 3rd house is worth spending time on. I have understood these in following manner from the books written by Shri Sanjay Rath and also from the many interactions in the group;

 

The 3rd house signifies energy (the loss of which causes death i.e 2nd house). That is the prime reason for the 2nd being a maraka house.The third house also signifies the physical act of intercourse and also parakrama both of which results in a loss of energy.The Maharishis stressed on the preservation of semen and sexual energy to redirect them in the pursuit of higher goals and thats the main rule that is followed by the Brahmacharya Ashrama and Sanyasa. The world is in chaos today because of ignorance of this principle and gross misuse of this vital life force.The sexual act has such great energy involved that some species of insects even lose their lives after the act.

 

Energy or vitality can be lost in factors signified by the natural third house i.e Gemini. The natural third indicates sexual union amongst other base activities/environments(dancing houses or brothels).

 

The sadakshari manthras draw energy from the third house and pass it onto the sixth house thereby redirecting the energy that may be utilized in sex/parakrama(3rd house) to clearing the shad-ripus that stand in the way of the Jeeva in realizing its true nature as a part and parcel of the Supreme Lord.

 

In the case of the famous Astakshari, OM NAMO NARAYANAYA, the energy is used to clear the past karma i.e the native will dovetail his energies toward serving Sriman Narayana, which is the only way to completely eradicate past karma (good or bad).This will lead one to surrender to the Supreme Lord.

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsan

Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99 wrote:

|| OM Hring GhriniH Suryaaditya OM ||Dear Lakshmi ji, Thanks for your answers but my query remainsunanswered. My intent was to understand the underlyingphilosophy and inter-relationship behind the 6th and8th houses without getting lost in the total set ofpotentialities offered by either of them. In fact,every single of the multple significations offered bya house will be in line with its basic philosophy.E.g. longevity is directly related to ones' pastkarma, and service if done for Narayana, instead ofones' senses and weaknesses, is no effort! Further, (re)birth is because of sense desires(7th). Tapas (5th) destroys desires (7th) and cleansesthe sensory attachments/bindings (6th) => tapas isrelated to 5th house. Getting back to the point, my core intent is

tothoroughly understand 3rd house for understandingthese four most potent mantras: -1. Om Namah Shivaya || 3->62. Hare Rama Krishna || 3->6 3. Om Tat Sat || 3->54. Om Namo Narayanaya || 3->8 These great mantras give a crucial hint to theutmost significance and power of 3rd house - as all ofthem have 3 letters and have been used to achieveeverything one ever wished!!! In my opinion, 3rd is the single most significanthouse in the horoscope as it shows self-effort -starting from thinking to breathing to any otheraction, all of which ends (11th from 3rd is 1st) togive an experience of self - which is everything ofyour own self. It is also the basic frequency ofrelating to Hara i.e. how ones' efforts (3rd) arerelated to ones' self (1st) is similar to how ones'self (1st) is related to Hara (11th) or Shiva,

whichis the ultimate reality. Know the primal force and youknow the primal cause.Best regards,nitish--- lakshmisyama <lakshmikary wrote:> -Hare Krishna> Dear Nitish,> im not sure if i addressed your quiry, but another> idea is this:> The 7th house is house of rebirth as the planets in> it are the cuase > of our rebirth.> So tapas should be addressed to that house.> If tapas if focus on 7th then the 6th falls in the> 12 frm it, and the > 8th house(knowledge of rebirth etc) is in the second> therefrom.> > Also lagna has to be involved as that is the self.> so many ways to think of it.> All the best ,> Lakshmi> -- In varahamihira , "lakshmisyama"> <lakshmikary@n...> > wrote:> > Hare Krishna> > Dear Nitish,> > Dont forget that the 6/8th house have MANY>

significations.> > For example: 8thhouse ishouse of longevity, but> 6th is house of > > disease(or lack of)> > 6th house is among other things house of> work.Shows who we > serve,how > > we serve, and our servants.> > 8th house is also house of inheritance,gains from> marriage for > ladies.> > > > Also keep in mind.that> > any planets in 6/8th house -or any house-aspect> the 7th there from > > influenceing that house as well.> > Best Wishes,> > > > Lakshmi Kary> > varahamihira , Nitish Arya> <yeeahoo_99> > > wrote:> > > Dear Sanjay Ji,> > > I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th and> 8th> > > houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad karma,> while> > > 6th to shadripu,

enemies etc. Still, 6th is in> 11th> > > from 8th which means it has the ability to> destroy bad> > > karma?? It is like saying that something bad> destroys> > > another bad thing!!! Please explain.> > > Am I making a wrong inference or missing> something?> > > > > > Ofcourse, we can also say that results of 8th> (bad> > > karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then go> on to> > > saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by> Tapas/5th), 8th> > > loses potency and all the negative karma are> destroyed> > > instantaneously. This will imply that it is not> the> > > 8th but the 6th which is the most binding house> and> > > also the primary house which gets affected by> Tapas> > > (5th house). And then, we can go

on to saying> that it> > > is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys> 5th> > > house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd =>> Real-Self> > > Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna> as a> > > shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th> using this> > > line of reasoning, provided it is close to> > > correctness. > > > > > > > > > waiting for reply,> > > nitish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!> > > > >

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Dear Sudarshan ji,

I completely agree to the points you made in your

mail. However, I would like to use the word " primal

impulse " instead of " energy/vitality " for 3rd house

related affairs (significator Mars).

In my opinion, energy/vitality has more to do with

lagna/lagna lord than 3rd house. On the other hand,

the functional nature of impulse remains the same

irrespective of weakness/strength of a person(defined

in terms of his energy levels/vitality).

Even the weakest of the human-being has the same

" primal impulse " , and the control of that " impulse " is

shown by influences on Mars, leading to BrahmaCharya.

So a physically weak person can be as much of a

BrahmaChari as a strong person. Then, mantras use the

power of this impulse and redirect it to other houses.

 

Best regards,

nitish

--- " Sri Vrindavan (Das.BTS) " <sudhar108

wrote:

> Dear Nitish,

>

> Your point about the action of the three manthras on

> the 3rd house is worth spending time on. I have

> understood these in following manner from the books

> written by Shri Sanjay Rath and also from the many

> interactions in the group;

>

> The 3rd house signifies energy (the loss of which

> causes death i.e 2nd house). That is the prime

> reason for the 2nd being a maraka house.The third

> house also signifies the physical act of intercourse

> and also parakrama both of which results in a loss

> of energy.The Maharishis stressed on the

> preservation of semen and sexual energy to redirect

> them in the pursuit of higher goals and thats the

> main rule that is followed by the Brahmacharya

> Ashrama and Sanyasa. The world is in chaos today

> because of ignorance of this principle and gross

> misuse of this vital life force.The sexual act has

> such great energy involved that some species of

> insects even lose their lives after the act.

>

> Energy or vitality can be lost in factors signified

> by the natural third house i.e Gemini. The natural

> third indicates sexual union amongst other base

> activities/environments(dancing houses or brothels).

>

>

> The sadakshari manthras draw energy from the third

> house and pass it onto the sixth house thereby

> redirecting the energy that may be utilized in

> sex/parakrama(3rd house) to clearing the shad-ripus

> that stand in the way of the Jeeva in realizing its

> true nature as a part and parcel of the Supreme

> Lord.

>

> In the case of the famous Astakshari, OM NAMO

> NARAYANAYA, the energy is used to clear the past

> karma i.e the native will dovetail his energies

> toward serving Sriman Narayana, which is the only

> way to completely eradicate past karma (good or

> bad).This will lead one to surrender to the Supreme

> Lord.

>

> Hare Krishna

>

> Sudharsan

>

> Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99 wrote:

> || OM Hring GhriniH Suryaaditya OM ||

> Dear Lakshmi ji,

> Thanks for your answers but my query remains

> unanswered.

> My intent was to understand the underlying

> philosophy and inter-relationship behind the 6th and

> 8th houses without getting lost in the total set of

> potentialities offered by either of them. In fact,

> every single of the multple significations offered

> by

> a house will be in line with its basic philosophy.

> E.g. longevity is directly related to ones' past

> karma, and service if done for Narayana, instead of

> ones' senses and weaknesses, is no effort!

> Further, (re)birth is because of sense desires

> (7th). Tapas (5th) destroys desires (7th) and

> cleanses

> the sensory attachments/bindings (6th) => tapas is

> related to 5th house.

> Getting back to the point, my core intent is to

> thoroughly understand 3rd house for understanding

> these four most potent mantras: -

> 1. Om Namah Shivaya || 3->6

> 2. Hare Rama Krishna || 3->6

> 3. Om Tat Sat || 3->5

> 4. Om Namo Narayanaya || 3->8

> These great mantras give a crucial hint to the

> utmost significance and power of 3rd house - as all

> of

> them have 3 letters and have been used to achieve

> everything one ever wished!!!

> In my opinion, 3rd is the single most significant

> house in the horoscope as it shows self-effort -

> starting from thinking to breathing to any other

> action, all of which ends (11th from 3rd is 1st) to

> give an experience of self - which is everything of

> your own self. It is also the basic frequency of

> relating to Hara i.e. how ones' efforts (3rd) are

> related to ones' self (1st) is similar to how ones'

> self (1st) is related to Hara (11th) or Shiva, which

> is the ultimate reality. Know the primal force and

> you

> know the primal cause.

> Best regards,

> nitish

> --- lakshmisyama <lakshmikary wrote:

> > -Hare Krishna

> > Dear Nitish,

> > im not sure if i addressed your quiry, but another

> > idea is this:

> > The 7th house is house of rebirth as the planets

> in

> > it are the cuase

> > of our rebirth.

> > So tapas should be addressed to that house.

> > If tapas if focus on 7th then the 6th falls in the

> > 12 frm it, and the

> > 8th house(knowledge of rebirth etc) is in the

> second

> > therefrom.

> >

> > Also lagna has to be involved as that is the self.

> > so many ways to think of it.

> > All the best ,

> > Lakshmi

> > -- In varahamihira , " lakshmisyama "

> > <lakshmikary@n...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hare Krishna

> > > Dear Nitish,

> > > Dont forget that the 6/8th house have MANY

> > significations.

> > > For example: 8thhouse ishouse of longevity, but

> > 6th is house of

> > > disease(or lack of)

> > > 6th house is among other things house of

> > work.Shows who we

> > serve,how

> > > we serve, and our servants.

> > > 8th house is also house of inheritance,gains

> from

> > marriage for

> > ladies.

> > >

> > > Also keep in mind.that

> > > any planets in 6/8th house -or any house-aspect

> > the 7th there from

> > > influenceing that house as well.

> > > Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Lakshmi Kary

> > > varahamihira , Nitish Arya

> > <yeeahoo_99>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Sanjay Ji,

> > > > I encountered a basic doubt relating 6th

> and

> > 8th

> > > > houses. 8th relates to debts and past bad

> karma,

> > while

> > > > 6th to shadripu, enemies etc. Still, 6th is in

> > 11th

> > > > from 8th which means it has the ability to

> > destroy bad

> > > > karma?? It is like saying that something bad

> > destroys

> > > > another bad thing!!! Please explain.

> > > > Am I making a wrong inference or missing

> > something?

> > > >

> > > > Ofcourse, we can also say that results of

> 8th

> > (bad

> > > > karma) is seen from 6th (Weaknesses) and then

> go

> > on to

> > > > saying that once 6th is cleaned up (by

> > Tapas/5th), 8th

> > > > loses potency and all the negative karma are

> > destroyed

> > > > instantaneously. This will imply that it is

> not

> > the

> > > > 8th but the 6th which is the most binding

> house

> > and

> > > > also the primary house which gets affected by

> > Tapas

> > > > (5th house). And then, we can go on to saying

> > that it

> > > > is 3rd which is even worse because it destroys

> > 5th

> > > > house/Tapas. Finally, self destroys 3rd =>

> > Real-Self

> > > > Effort!!! Then, I understand Hare Rama Krishna

> > as a

> > > > shortcut having dual-effect on 5th and 6th

> > using this

> > > > line of reasoning, provided it is close to

> > > > correctness.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > waiting for reply,

> > > > nitish

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it

> out!

>

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