Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi

[Guest guest]

Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Namaste,

I have revisited the Upagraha chapter in BPHS and other books.

The general consensus is Gulika=Mandi, yet I know this is

not the case as Sanjayji has discussed otherwise.

 

I have looked at several past posts, (see one below + post 11905,

11728, etc if there is interest) and wondered if a Guru

can spend a paragraph on current thinking.

- What are the key differences between Gulika and Mandi?

- Are both derivatives of Sani?

- Are there good Positions for Gulika and Mandi - Sanjay suggests

Gulika in the 10th is a good position; this too is confirmed in

BPHS by G.C.Sharma, yet Pandit Sharma also says Gulika=Mandi)

 

Pranams,

 

Frank in San Diego

_________________

( From Sanjayji to Narasimha)

> Yes. I was teaching Parasara upagrahas and after an extensive

study when I

> did that class, it was totally clear that the Upagrahas or rather

Aprakasa

> grahas must rise at the end of the period of the planets as per

the weekday

> order..rest is fine. About Mandi, I am still in the middle of my

research

> and will tell you when I am done.

> We had to use Yamaghantaka with the Lagna for determining Santana

Guru and

> Santana Guru Tithi..I did this yesterday in SJC Puri class. So it

was clear

> that it has to be the end of the period. This is consistent with

your

> earlier findings in this issue.

> With best regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear Frank,

My personal opinion is that they are synonymous. The reason for the

confusion is, perhaps, that "Prashna Marga" gives different definitions

for calculating Mandi and Gulika. Other Sages have not distinguished

between them.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

fls999999999 wrote:

 

Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Namaste,

I have revisited the Upagraha chapter in BPHS and other books.

The general consensus is Gulika=Mandi, yet I know this is

not the case as Sanjayji has discussed otherwise.

 

I have looked at several past posts, (see one below + post 11905,

11728, etc if there is interest) and wondered if a Guru

can spend a paragraph on current thinking.

- What are the key differences between Gulika and Mandi?

- Are both derivatives of Sani?

- Are there good Positions for Gulika and Mandi - Sanjay suggests

Gulika in the 10th is a good position; this too is confirmed in

BPHS by G.C.Sharma, yet Pandit Sharma also says Gulika=Mandi)

 

Pranams,

 

Frank in San Diego

_________________

( From Sanjayji to Narasimha)

> Yes. I was teaching Parasara upagrahas and after an extensive

study when I

> did that class, it was totally clear that the Upagrahas or rather

Aprakasa

> grahas must rise at the end of the period of the planets as per

the weekday

> order..rest is fine. About Mandi, I am still in the middle of my

research

> and will tell you when I am done.

> We had to use Yamaghantaka with the Lagna for determining Santana

Guru and

> Santana Guru Tithi..I did this yesterday in SJC Puri class. So it

was clear

> that it has to be the end of the period. This is consistent with

your

> earlier findings in this issue.

> With best regards,

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Dhira Krsna,

 

I have not read any text about saturn's children.

But I just refered the MW Dictionary.

and found the following clue.

 

Gulika = Name of a Hunter in Brihan Naaradiya Puraana

 

If somebody has that purana maybe they can qoute the hunter's story.

Which would give clue.

 

Also I came across the following interesting information at

 

http://www.ignca.nic.in/ps_01021.htm

About Kerala Fisher Folks.

 

Gulikan: Ethereal Element

 

Gulikan or Mandi is propitiated by the Hindu fishermen all over

Kerala. The Gulikan is connected with diseases and death. Horoscopes

are cast by every Hindu of Kerala in which the position of the

Gulikan is clearly indicated. The Gulikan's position indicates when

the person will die. When death occurs in a fisherman's house, it is

customary to plant a stone outside the house representing the

Gulikan. An informant informed me that stone representing the Gulikan

will never be installed in the room reserved for ancestors or in any

of the house. However, the fishermen believe that once the Gulikan is

propitiated by installing a stone on the earthen platform, it will

prevent death. The Gulikan is generally worshipped to get big fishes

like etta and avoli. They vow to conduct a special puja in honour of

the Gulikan by offering etta and avoli. They fulfil their vow by

making votive offerings when they get these species of fish. The

Gulikan is periodically propitiated by the offer of kuruthi (water

mixed with turmeric and lime), today, bananas and flowers. A wick

lamp is lighted for the worship. A red fowl and a ram are sacrificed

in the Gulikan's honour on important festive occasions like Omam and

Vishu. Sometimes, the oracle of the Gulikan, in trance, directs the

fishermen to handle times of crisis. The oracle reveals the causes of

illness and discloses the remedy.

 

The Mukkuvans of Malabar believe that there are four kinds of

Gulikans: Brahma Gulikan,Vishnu Gulikan, Abhimanyu Gulikan, Asura

Gulikan. They further believe that if the Asura Gulikan is displeased

tensions in the family are bound to arise, besides infights among the

members of the crew. In such cases the Mukkuvans consult the kaniyan

(village astrologer) and seek their advice to ward off the wrath of

the enraged Asura Gulikan. The kaniyan prescribes the remedy in the

form of a magical rite called Puramneekkal which is similar to

Uzhinhu Vangal. A magician is invited to conduct this rite. The

articles required for the purpose prescribed by the magician and the

astrologer are: a cooked fried fish (etta, aikkora, and narimeen),

coconut oil, potato, lady-finger, bengal gram, beaten rice, puffed

rice, etc. A thigh of the cock is roasted in the fire and given to

the Asura Gulikan. The total expenditure for conducting the rite

comes to Rs. 100.

 

Brahma Gulikan: Ethereal Element

 

The Brahma Gulikan is worshipped for getting bumper catches and also

for warding off the misfortunes and illness caused by him. Sometimes

the Mukkuvans call the Brahma Gulikan as Brahma Yakshasu, the spirit

of a dead Brahman. The Mukkuvans believe that the Brahma Gulikan is

capable of causing separation of a husband and wife. An amulet is

prepared by the magician and given to the patient to wear or a

Puramneekkal ceremony is conducted to appease him. Sometimes the

mantram `Oh Gulika, Brahma Gulika, Vishnu Gulika, Asmara Gulika and

Abhimanyu Gulika' is chanted for 21 times over a string for putting

on the waist of the patient. The same mantram is written 21 times on

a copper plate and an amulet is prepared for wearing. Sometimes rice

powder mixed with molasses is given to the Brahma Gulikan to appease

his wrath. The Mukkuvans say that the Vishnu Gulikan and Abhimanyu

Gulikan are not wicked. The Abhimanyu Gulikan is the spirit of

Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, who died in the Kurukshetra war.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay Prabhakaran

 

Om Tat Sat

 

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Frank and others,

>

> I was meditating on this topic also last few days. It would be

interesting

> if one of the learned Pandits could tell the Puranic story or refer

to

> some scripture where the story is mentioned how Sani begot his son

(s)

> Mandi-Gulik. We know the story how Sani became son of Surya, Budha

became

> son of Chandra etc, but how did Mandi-Gulik become son of Sani?

>

> Btw, Mandi means " son of Manda " (Manda=Sani) and Gulik will be

another

> name for him, according to my opinion. I also use end of respective

> portions for the Upagrahas.

>

> Another question, all graha have one son, why only Sani would have

2 to

> determine the Upagraha?

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

> http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html