RE: Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi: Apsects

July 7, 2004

|Hare Räma Kåñëa|

Dear Frank,

Namaskar

I remember

reading about the difference between Gulika and Mandi in Uttara Kalamrita –

this was some time ago. I found it - here goes;

Uttara

Kalamrita, Prathama Khanda, çlokas 7 & 8 describes the calculations for

Mandi AND Gulika separately.

Yours,

Visti Larsen

visti

fls999999999

[frank_in_sandiego]

07 July 2004 00:02

varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Re: Upagraha

(Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi: Apsects

Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Namaskar,

Yes I am in hopes we get som clarity on this.. (

Mandi and Gulika)

AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?

--> Is rasi dristi altered

by upagraha(s) being in a rasi

and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?

Pranams,

Frank in San

Diego

varahamihira , sanjayp@c...

wrote:

> || Om Gurave

Namah ||

>

> Dear Dhira Krsna,

>

> I have not read any text about saturn's

children.

> But I just refered the MW Dictionary.

> and found the following clue.

>

> Gulika = Name of a Hunter in Brihan

Naaradiya Puraana

>

> If somebody has that purana maybe they

can qoute the hunter's

story.

> Which would give clue.

>

> Also I came across the following

interesting information at

>

> http://www.ignca.nic.in/ps_01021.htm

> About Kerala Fisher Folks.

>

> Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> Gulikan or Mandi is propitiated by the Hindu

fishermen all over

> Kerala. The Gulikan is connected with

diseases and death.

Horoscopes

> are cast by every Hindu of Kerala in which

the position of the

> Gulikan is clearly indicated. The Gulikan's

position indicates

when

> the person will die. When death occurs in a

fisherman's house, it

is

> customary to plant a stone outside the house

representing the

> Gulikan. An informant informed me that stone

representing the

Gulikan

> will never be installed in the room reserved

for ancestors or in

any

> of the house. However, the fishermen believe

that once the Gulikan

is

> propitiated by installing a stone on the

earthen platform, it will

> prevent death. The Gulikan is generally

worshipped to get big

fishes

> like etta and avoli. They vow to conduct a

special puja in honour

of

> the Gulikan by offering etta and avoli. They

fulfil their vow by

> making votive offerings when they get these

species of fish. The

> Gulikan is periodically propitiated by the

offer of kuruthi (water

> mixed with turmeric and lime), today, bananas

and flowers. A wick

> lamp is lighted for the worship. A red fowl

and a ram are

sacrificed

> in the Gulikan's honour on important festive

occasions like Omam

and

> Vishu. Sometimes, the oracle of the Gulikan,

in trance, directs

the

> fishermen to handle times of crisis. The

oracle reveals the causes

of

> illness and discloses the remedy.

>

> The Mukkuvans of Malabar believe that there

are four kinds of

> Gulikans: Brahma Gulikan,Vishnu Gulikan,

Abhimanyu Gulikan, Asura

> Gulikan. They further believe that if the

Asura Gulikan is

displeased

> tensions in the family are bound to arise,

besides infights among

the

> members of the crew. In such cases the

Mukkuvans consult the

kaniyan

> (village astrologer) and seek their advice to

ward off the wrath

of

> the enraged Asura Gulikan. The kaniyan

prescribes the remedy in

the

> form of a magical rite called Puramneekkal

which is similar to

> Uzhinhu Vangal. A magician is invited to

conduct this rite. The

> articles required for the purpose prescribed

by the magician and

the

> astrologer are: a cooked fried fish (etta,

aikkora, and narimeen),

> coconut oil, potato, lady-finger, bengal

gram, beaten rice, puffed

> rice, etc. A thigh of the cock is roasted in

the fire and given to

> the Asura Gulikan. The total expenditure for

conducting the rite

> comes to Rs. 100.

>

> Brahma Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> The Brahma Gulikan is worshipped for getting

bumper catches and

also

> for warding off the misfortunes and illness

caused by him.

Sometimes

> the Mukkuvans call the Brahma Gulikan as

Brahma Yakshasu, the

spirit

> of a dead Brahman. The Mukkuvans believe that

the Brahma Gulikan

is

> capable of causing separation of a husband

and wife. An amulet is

> prepared by the magician and given to the

patient to wear or a

> Puramneekkal ceremony is conducted to appease

him. Sometimes the

> mantram `Oh Gulika, Brahma Gulika, Vishnu

Gulika, Asmara Gulika

and

> Abhimanyu Gulika' is chanted for 21 times

over a string for

putting

> on the waist of the patient. The same mantram

is written 21 times

on

> a copper plate and an amulet is prepared for

wearing. Sometimes

rice

> powder mixed with molasses is given to the

Brahma Gulikan to

appease

> his wrath. The Mukkuvans say that the Vishnu

Gulikan and Abhimanyu

> Gulikan are not wicked. The Abhimanyu Gulikan

is the spirit of

> Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, who died in the

Kurukshetra war.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay Prabhakaran

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> varahamihira ,

" Dhira Krsna BCS "

> <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...>

wrote:

> > Dear Frank and others,

> >

> > I was meditating on this topic also last

few days. It would be

> interesting

> > if one of the learned Pandits could tell

the Puranic story or

refer

> to

> > some scripture where the story is

mentioned how Sani begot his

son

> (s)

> > Mandi-Gulik. We know the story how Sani

became son of Surya,

Budha

> became

> > son of Chandra etc, but how did

Mandi-Gulik become son of Sani?

> >

> > Btw, Mandi means " son of

Manda " (Manda=Sani) and Gulik will be

> another

> > name for him, according to my opinion. I

also use end of

respective

> > portions for the Upagrahas.

> >

> > Another question, all graha have one

son, why only Sani would

have

> 2 to

> > determine the Upagraha?

> >

> > Yours,

> > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > Jyotishi

> > http://www.radhadesh.com

> > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

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July 13, 2004

In a message dated 07/12/2004 11:33:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, sanjayp writes:

Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaya

Dear Sanjay P,

What do you know about the rulership assigned to the upagrahas? Gulika is said to rule Aquarius, the moolatrikona rasi of his Father, Saturn. Positions have been assigned to others as well re Ch 3, BPHS. Have anybody used these?

Warm Regards,

Brendan

Dear Frank,> AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?From What I have understood/Learnt so far I think that Upgraha's Do not Have a Graha Drishti.I have not seen anybody using them also.If you have seen anything to the contrary please share it.> --> Is rasi dristi altered by upagraha(s) being in a rasi> and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?I think, As Rasi Drishti are due to inherent changes to a rasi duea grahas presence in it. Rasi dristi should exist even for the Upagrahas.Warm RegardsSanjay PrabhakaranOm Tat Sat