Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi: Apsects

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Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Namaskar,

Yes I am in hopes we get som clarity on this.. ( Mandi and Gulika)

AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?

--> Is rasi dristi altered by upagraha(s) being in a rasi

and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?

 

Pranams,

Frank in San Diego

 

varahamihira , sanjayp@c... wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Dhira Krsna,

>

> I have not read any text about saturn's children.

> But I just refered the MW Dictionary.

> and found the following clue.

>

> Gulika = Name of a Hunter in Brihan Naaradiya Puraana

>

> If somebody has that purana maybe they can qoute the hunter's

story.

> Which would give clue.

>

> Also I came across the following interesting information at

>

> http://www.ignca.nic.in/ps_01021.htm

> About Kerala Fisher Folks.

>

> Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> Gulikan or Mandi is propitiated by the Hindu fishermen all over

> Kerala. The Gulikan is connected with diseases and death.

Horoscopes

> are cast by every Hindu of Kerala in which the position of the

> Gulikan is clearly indicated. The Gulikan's position indicates

when

> the person will die. When death occurs in a fisherman's house, it

is

> customary to plant a stone outside the house representing the

> Gulikan. An informant informed me that stone representing the

Gulikan

> will never be installed in the room reserved for ancestors or in

any

> of the house. However, the fishermen believe that once the Gulikan

is

> propitiated by installing a stone on the earthen platform, it will

> prevent death. The Gulikan is generally worshipped to get big

fishes

> like etta and avoli. They vow to conduct a special puja in honour

of

> the Gulikan by offering etta and avoli. They fulfil their vow by

> making votive offerings when they get these species of fish. The

> Gulikan is periodically propitiated by the offer of kuruthi (water

> mixed with turmeric and lime), today, bananas and flowers. A wick

> lamp is lighted for the worship. A red fowl and a ram are

sacrificed

> in the Gulikan's honour on important festive occasions like Omam

and

> Vishu. Sometimes, the oracle of the Gulikan, in trance, directs

the

> fishermen to handle times of crisis. The oracle reveals the causes

of

> illness and discloses the remedy.

>

> The Mukkuvans of Malabar believe that there are four kinds of

> Gulikans: Brahma Gulikan,Vishnu Gulikan, Abhimanyu Gulikan, Asura

> Gulikan. They further believe that if the Asura Gulikan is

displeased

> tensions in the family are bound to arise, besides infights among

the

> members of the crew. In such cases the Mukkuvans consult the

kaniyan

> (village astrologer) and seek their advice to ward off the wrath

of

> the enraged Asura Gulikan. The kaniyan prescribes the remedy in

the

> form of a magical rite called Puramneekkal which is similar to

> Uzhinhu Vangal. A magician is invited to conduct this rite. The

> articles required for the purpose prescribed by the magician and

the

> astrologer are: a cooked fried fish (etta, aikkora, and narimeen),

> coconut oil, potato, lady-finger, bengal gram, beaten rice, puffed

> rice, etc. A thigh of the cock is roasted in the fire and given to

> the Asura Gulikan. The total expenditure for conducting the rite

> comes to Rs. 100.

>

> Brahma Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> The Brahma Gulikan is worshipped for getting bumper catches and

also

> for warding off the misfortunes and illness caused by him.

Sometimes

> the Mukkuvans call the Brahma Gulikan as Brahma Yakshasu, the

spirit

> of a dead Brahman. The Mukkuvans believe that the Brahma Gulikan

is

> capable of causing separation of a husband and wife. An amulet is

> prepared by the magician and given to the patient to wear or a

> Puramneekkal ceremony is conducted to appease him. Sometimes the

> mantram `Oh Gulika, Brahma Gulika, Vishnu Gulika, Asmara Gulika

and

> Abhimanyu Gulika' is chanted for 21 times over a string for

putting

> on the waist of the patient. The same mantram is written 21 times

on

> a copper plate and an amulet is prepared for wearing. Sometimes

rice

> powder mixed with molasses is given to the Brahma Gulikan to

appease

> his wrath. The Mukkuvans say that the Vishnu Gulikan and Abhimanyu

> Gulikan are not wicked. The Abhimanyu Gulikan is the spirit of

> Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, who died in the Kurukshetra war.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay Prabhakaran

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

>

>

> varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

> <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> > Dear Frank and others,

> >

> > I was meditating on this topic also last few days. It would be

> interesting

> > if one of the learned Pandits could tell the Puranic story or

refer

> to

> > some scripture where the story is mentioned how Sani begot his

son

> (s)

> > Mandi-Gulik. We know the story how Sani became son of Surya,

Budha

> became

> > son of Chandra etc, but how did Mandi-Gulik become son of Sani?

> >

> > Btw, Mandi means " son of Manda " (Manda=Sani) and Gulik will be

> another

> > name for him, according to my opinion. I also use end of

respective

> > portions for the Upagrahas.

> >

> > Another question, all graha have one son, why only Sani would

have

> 2 to

> > determine the Upagraha?

> >

> > Yours,

> > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > Jyotishi

> > http://www.radhadesh.com

> > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

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Namaskar VIsti,

Thanks for your help. I will look to Uttara Kalamrita and see

what I can learn.

Is there any book you can recommend tha does a deep dive on all

11 upagrahas?

My inquiry is on:

- Their strenths as compared to the other Graha's ( Surya, Chundra,

Guru, etc)

- Aspects - are they the same ( Graha dristi and Rasi Dristi); Just

as Ketu has no head, he cannot give graha dristi. So when we look to

the Upagraha's are there any qualities that make thier influence

unique?

- Upagraha combinations - what happens when there are several in a

group:

a. Does the combination create yogas?

b. are their planitary wars?

c. Etc.

 

Pranams,

Frank in San Diegeo

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Visti Larsen " <visti@s...>

wrote:

> |Hare Räma Kåñëa|

>

> Dear Frank, Namaskar

>

> I remember reading about the difference between Gulika and Mandi

in Uttara

> Kalamrita – this was some time ago. I found it - here goes;

>

> Uttara Kalamrita, Prathama Khanda, çlokas 7 & 8 describes the

calculations

> for Mandi AND Gulika separately.

>

> Yours,

>

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

_____

>

> fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego@c...]

> 07 July 2004 00:02

> varahamihira

> |Sri Varaha| Re: Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi:

Apsects

>

>

>

> Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Namaskar,

> Yes I am in hopes we get som clarity on this.. ( Mandi and Gulika)

> AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?

> --> Is rasi dristi altered by upagraha(s) being in a rasi

> and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?

>

> Pranams,

> Frank in San Diego

>

> varahamihira , sanjayp@c... wrote:

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> >

> > Dear Dhira Krsna,

> >

> > I have not read any text about saturn's children.

> > But I just refered the MW Dictionary.

> > and found the following clue.

> >

> > Gulika = Name of a Hunter in Brihan Naaradiya Puraana

> >

> > If somebody has that purana maybe they can qoute the hunter's

> story.

> > Which would give clue.

> >

> > Also I came across the following interesting information at

> >

> > http://www.ignca.nic.in/ps_01021.htm

> > About Kerala Fisher Folks.

> >

> > Gulikan: Ethereal Element

> >

> > Gulikan or Mandi is propitiated by the Hindu fishermen all over

> > Kerala. The Gulikan is connected with diseases and death.

> Horoscopes

> > are cast by every Hindu of Kerala in which the position of the

> > Gulikan is clearly indicated. The Gulikan's position indicates

> when

> > the person will die. When death occurs in a fisherman's house,

it

> is

> > customary to plant a stone outside the house representing the

> > Gulikan. An informant informed me that stone representing the

> Gulikan

> > will never be installed in the room reserved for ancestors or in

> any

> > of the house. However, the fishermen believe that once the

Gulikan

> is

> > propitiated by installing a stone on the earthen platform, it

will

> > prevent death. The Gulikan is generally worshipped to get big

> fishes

> > like etta and avoli. They vow to conduct a special puja in

honour

> of

> > the Gulikan by offering etta and avoli. They fulfil their vow by

> > making votive offerings when they get these species of fish. The

> > Gulikan is periodically propitiated by the offer of kuruthi

(water

> > mixed with turmeric and lime), today, bananas and flowers. A

wick

> > lamp is lighted for the worship. A red fowl and a ram are

> sacrificed

> > in the Gulikan's honour on important festive occasions like Omam

> and

> > Vishu. Sometimes, the oracle of the Gulikan, in trance, directs

> the

> > fishermen to handle times of crisis. The oracle reveals the

causes

> of

> > illness and discloses the remedy.

> >

> > The Mukkuvans of Malabar believe that there are four kinds of

> > Gulikans: Brahma Gulikan,Vishnu Gulikan, Abhimanyu Gulikan,

Asura

> > Gulikan. They further believe that if the Asura Gulikan is

> displeased

> > tensions in the family are bound to arise, besides infights

among

> the

> > members of the crew. In such cases the Mukkuvans consult the

> kaniyan

> > (village astrologer) and seek their advice to ward off the wrath

> of

> > the enraged Asura Gulikan. The kaniyan prescribes the remedy in

> the

> > form of a magical rite called Puramneekkal which is similar to

> > Uzhinhu Vangal. A magician is invited to conduct this rite. The

> > articles required for the purpose prescribed by the magician and

> the

> > astrologer are: a cooked fried fish (etta, aikkora, and

narimeen),

> > coconut oil, potato, lady-finger, bengal gram, beaten rice,

puffed

> > rice, etc. A thigh of the cock is roasted in the fire and given

to

> > the Asura Gulikan. The total expenditure for conducting the rite

> > comes to Rs. 100.

> >

> > Brahma Gulikan: Ethereal Element

> >

> > The Brahma Gulikan is worshipped for getting bumper catches and

> also

> > for warding off the misfortunes and illness caused by him.

> Sometimes

> > the Mukkuvans call the Brahma Gulikan as Brahma Yakshasu, the

> spirit

> > of a dead Brahman. The Mukkuvans believe that the Brahma Gulikan

> is

> > capable of causing separation of a husband and wife. An amulet

is

> > prepared by the magician and given to the patient to wear or a

> > Puramneekkal ceremony is conducted to appease him. Sometimes the

> > mantram `Oh Gulika, Brahma Gulika, Vishnu Gulika, Asmara Gulika

> and

> > Abhimanyu Gulika' is chanted for 21 times over a string for

> putting

> > on the waist of the patient. The same mantram is written 21

times

> on

> > a copper plate and an amulet is prepared for wearing. Sometimes

> rice

> > powder mixed with molasses is given to the Brahma Gulikan to

> appease

> > his wrath. The Mukkuvans say that the Vishnu Gulikan and

Abhimanyu

> > Gulikan are not wicked. The Abhimanyu Gulikan is the spirit of

> > Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, who died in the Kurukshetra war.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay Prabhakaran

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

> > <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> > > Dear Frank and others,

> > >

> > > I was meditating on this topic also last few days. It would be

> > interesting

> > > if one of the learned Pandits could tell the Puranic story or

> refer

> > to

> > > some scripture where the story is mentioned how Sani begot his

> son

> > (s)

> > > Mandi-Gulik. We know the story how Sani became son of Surya,

> Budha

> > became

> > > son of Chandra etc, but how did Mandi-Gulik become son of Sani?

> > >

> > > Btw, Mandi means " son of Manda " (Manda=Sani) and Gulik will be

> > another

> > > name for him, according to my opinion. I also use end of

> respective

> > > portions for the Upagrahas.

> > >

> > > Another question, all graha have one son, why only Sani would

> have

> > 2 to

> > > determine the Upagraha?

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > Jyotishi

> > > http://www.radhadesh.com

> > > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

 

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Swee Chan [swee]

08 July 2004 20:04

'varahamihira '

RE: |Sri Varaha| Re: Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi:

Apsects

 

Om Vishnave Namah

 

Dear Frank,

 

I hope you'll enjoy the moral of the story.

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego]

07 July 2004 00:02

varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Re: Upagraha (Aprakasa) Gulika & Mandi: Apsects

 

Hari Om Namo Viswarupaya

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

Namaskar,

Yes I am in hopes we get som clarity on this.. ( Mandi and Gulika)

AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?

--> Is rasi dristi altered by upagraha(s) being in a rasi

and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?

 

Pranams,

Frank in San Diego

 

varahamihira , sanjayp@c... wrote:

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Dhira Krsna,

>

> I have not read any text about saturn's children.

> But I just refered the MW Dictionary.

> and found the following clue.

>

> Gulika = Name of a Hunter in Brihan Naaradiya Puraana

>

> If somebody has that purana maybe they can qoute the hunter's

story.

> Which would give clue.

>

> Also I came across the following interesting information at

>

> http://www.ignca.nic.in/ps_01021.htm

> About Kerala Fisher Folks.

>

> Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> Gulikan or Mandi is propitiated by the Hindu fishermen all over

> Kerala. The Gulikan is connected with diseases and death.

Horoscopes

> are cast by every Hindu of Kerala in which the position of the

> Gulikan is clearly indicated. The Gulikan's position indicates

when

> the person will die. When death occurs in a fisherman's house, it

is

> customary to plant a stone outside the house representing the

> Gulikan. An informant informed me that stone representing the

Gulikan

> will never be installed in the room reserved for ancestors or in

any

> of the house. However, the fishermen believe that once the Gulikan

is

> propitiated by installing a stone on the earthen platform, it will

> prevent death. The Gulikan is generally worshipped to get big

fishes

> like etta and avoli. They vow to conduct a special puja in honour

of

> the Gulikan by offering etta and avoli. They fulfil their vow by

> making votive offerings when they get these species of fish. The

> Gulikan is periodically propitiated by the offer of kuruthi (water

> mixed with turmeric and lime), today, bananas and flowers. A wick

> lamp is lighted for the worship. A red fowl and a ram are

sacrificed

> in the Gulikan's honour on important festive occasions like Omam

and

> Vishu. Sometimes, the oracle of the Gulikan, in trance, directs

the

> fishermen to handle times of crisis. The oracle reveals the causes

of

> illness and discloses the remedy.

>

> The Mukkuvans of Malabar believe that there are four kinds of

> Gulikans: Brahma Gulikan,Vishnu Gulikan, Abhimanyu Gulikan, Asura

> Gulikan. They further believe that if the Asura Gulikan is

displeased

> tensions in the family are bound to arise, besides infights among

the

> members of the crew. In such cases the Mukkuvans consult the

kaniyan

> (village astrologer) and seek their advice to ward off the wrath

of

> the enraged Asura Gulikan. The kaniyan prescribes the remedy in

the

> form of a magical rite called Puramneekkal which is similar to

> Uzhinhu Vangal. A magician is invited to conduct this rite. The

> articles required for the purpose prescribed by the magician and

the

> astrologer are: a cooked fried fish (etta, aikkora, and narimeen),

> coconut oil, potato, lady-finger, bengal gram, beaten rice, puffed

> rice, etc. A thigh of the cock is roasted in the fire and given to

> the Asura Gulikan. The total expenditure for conducting the rite

> comes to Rs. 100.

>

> Brahma Gulikan: Ethereal Element

>

> The Brahma Gulikan is worshipped for getting bumper catches and

also

> for warding off the misfortunes and illness caused by him.

Sometimes

> the Mukkuvans call the Brahma Gulikan as Brahma Yakshasu, the

spirit

> of a dead Brahman. The Mukkuvans believe that the Brahma Gulikan

is

> capable of causing separation of a husband and wife. An amulet is

> prepared by the magician and given to the patient to wear or a

> Puramneekkal ceremony is conducted to appease him. Sometimes the

> mantram `Oh Gulika, Brahma Gulika, Vishnu Gulika, Asmara Gulika

and

> Abhimanyu Gulika' is chanted for 21 times over a string for

putting

> on the waist of the patient. The same mantram is written 21 times

on

> a copper plate and an amulet is prepared for wearing. Sometimes

rice

> powder mixed with molasses is given to the Brahma Gulikan to

appease

> his wrath. The Mukkuvans say that the Vishnu Gulikan and Abhimanyu

> Gulikan are not wicked. The Abhimanyu Gulikan is the spirit of

> Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna, who died in the Kurukshetra war.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay Prabhakaran

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

>

>

> varahamihira , " Dhira Krsna BCS "

> <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> > Dear Frank and others,

> >

> > I was meditating on this topic also last few days. It would be

> interesting

> > if one of the learned Pandits could tell the Puranic story or

refer

> to

> > some scripture where the story is mentioned how Sani begot his

son

> (s)

> > Mandi-Gulik. We know the story how Sani became son of Surya,

Budha

> became

> > son of Chandra etc, but how did Mandi-Gulik become son of Sani?

> >

> > Btw, Mandi means " son of Manda " (Manda=Sani) and Gulik will be

> another

> > name for him, according to my opinion. I also use end of

respective

> > portions for the Upagrahas.

> >

> > Another question, all graha have one son, why only Sani would

have

> 2 to

> > determine the Upagraha?

> >

> > Yours,

> > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > Jyotishi

> > http://www.radhadesh.com

> > http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

 

 

 

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Frank,

> AND --> do upagraha's give Graha dristi?

 

From What I have understood/Learnt so far I think that

Upgraha's Do not Have a Graha Drishti.

I have not seen anybody using them also.

If you have seen anything to the contrary please share it.

 

> --> Is rasi dristi altered by upagraha(s) being in a rasi

> and casting rasi dristi on to another rasi?

 

I think, As Rasi Drishti are due to inherent changes to a rasi due

a grahas presence in it.

Rasi dristi should exist even for the Upagrahas.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay Prabhakaran

Om Tat Sat