Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Dear Gurus and friends Can you please tell me what the significations of the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord Shiva) are? I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did not make a note of it. TIA Regards Rohini Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Rohini, The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you give to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To understand what you would get in return, you need to understand the planet governing the the constituents of the Panchamrita and understand what they can give. The constituent of the Panchamrita are Curd Milk Ghee Honey Sugar Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd enhances longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and Milk enhaces Peace of Mind... Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), the litigations would end. Regards Sarajit --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Dear Gurus and friends > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > Shiva) are? > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did not > make a note of it. > > TIA > Regards > > Rohini > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental peace? TIA Regards RohiniSarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Rhonini,The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you giveto Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. Tounderstand what you would get in return, you need tounderstand the planet governing the the constituentsof the Panchamrita and understand what they can give.The constituent of the Panchamrita are CurdMilkGheeHoneySugarOut of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moonand Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd enhanceslongevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and Milkenhaces Peace of Mind...Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), thelitigations would end.RegardsSarajit--- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Dear Gurus and friends> > Can you please tell me what the significations of> the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord> Shiva) are? > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for> peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but> unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did not> make a note of it.> > TIA> Regards> > Rohini> > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. _________ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari yoga, as also it was originally done to cool down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest benefic against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do good to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it against all poisonous influences. Just musing. regards, nitish --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > peace? > > TIA > > Regards > > Rohini > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Rhonini, > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > give > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To > understand what you would get in return, you need to > understand the planet governing the the constituents > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > give. > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd > Milk > Ghee > Honey > Sugar > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > enhances > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > Milk > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > the > litigations would end. > > Regards > Sarajit > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > not > > make a note of it. > > > > TIA > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail > SpamGuard. > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger. > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:00 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita || Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Nitish, Gaja means elephant, the vahana of Indra, represented by Jupiter and Keshari is Lion, the vahana of Mata, represented by Moon. Hence the combination of Jupiter and Moon (or by mutual kendra) is known as Gaja Keshari Yoga. Now Jyotirlingam are also represented by Jupiter and water is Moon and hence as you said it gives the effect of Gaja-Keshari. Now Jupiter is also called the jiva or the life force. Life force is created in water and hence Jupiter gets exalted in Moon's house. The corrolary is that Moon's helps in keeping all toxins at bay or help in removing it from the body and helping in increasing the life force. Now, lack of life force also means depression and Rudrabhishekam with Water also keeps mind protected from any negetive influences. So this is one more indication along with the indication of cleaning the body from all poisonsous substances. ... Ultimately body and mind remains healthy... Best Wishes Sarajit - Nitish Arya varahamihira Saturday, August 07, 2004 1:32 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured onshiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesariyoga, as also it was originally done to cooldown/protect the burning body of Shiva as he hadingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest beneficagainst poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do goodto lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yogabrings out best out of jupiter by protecting itagainst all poisonous influences. Just musing.regards,nitish--- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote:> Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water> stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but> as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would> it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental> peace?> > TIA> > Regards> > Rohini> > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote:> || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Rhonini,> > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you> give> to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To> understand what you would get in return, you need to> understand the planet governing the the constituents> of the Panchamrita and understand what they can> give.> > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd> Milk> Ghee> Honey> Sugar> > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon> and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd> enhances> longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and> Milk> enhaces Peace of Mind...> > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury),> the> litigations would end.> > Regards> Sarajit> > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends> > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of> > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord> > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for> > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but> > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did> not> > make a note of it.> > > > TIA> > Regards> > > > Rohini> > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail> SpamGuard. > > > > > >_________ALL-NEW> Messenger - all new features - even more fun!> http://uk.messenger.> > > |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Dear Rohini,Nitish, A bit off for astrology, but here is something to consider.Water could signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It could signify bearing with all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved Mother earth from fury of Ganga. Chandrashekhar. Nitish Arya wrote: Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari yoga, as also it was originally done to cool down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest benefic against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do good to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it against all poisonous influences. Just musing. regards, nitish --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > peace? > > TIA > > Regards > > Rohini > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Rhonini, > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > give > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To > understand what you would get in return, you need to > understand the planet governing the the constituents > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > give. > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd > Milk > Ghee > Honey > Sugar > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > enhances > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > Milk > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > the > litigations would end. > > Regards > Sarajit > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > not > > make a note of it. > > > > TIA > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail > SpamGuard. > > > > > > _________ALL-NEW > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger. > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his matted locks, and Ganga that was strained and purified by passing through the hair of this great yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to propitiate him. Pouring a few drops of water on Shiva does not “cool him down”. The form of a linga is neatly explained by the story of Brahma / Vishnu trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural linga form—jvalalinga). Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to find the top, while Vishnu as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. However, this light (agni) had no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, with the top of the linga representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, and the other tattwas inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms to get various results. In a linga’s form as rudra (fire), the offspring is Shani. In his form as bhava (water), the offspring is Shukra. My thoughts: The spiritual giants among us will ask for the fructifications of all Saturnine results so that we can learn our lessons, and be rid of the cycle of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian results that are more palatable to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as bhavalinga) gives us the material comforts signified by Venus. The oblations to the linga are usually accompanied with the Rudra & Chamaka prashnas. The Rudra prashna indicates the form Rudra, while the Chamaka prashna is an appeal to a more pleasant side of the same form (perhaps Bhava). The 11 anuvakas of the Rudra prashna are addressed to the 11 forms of Rudra. The 3rd anuvaka is addressed to Nirriti (a demoness). This is arguably the most unpleasant of the 11 forms. During sade-sati, we use the 3rd anuvaka of chamaka as a remedy to stay the saturnine effects that trouble us. (Offspring of Rudra is Shani, and the 3rd of the 11 forms of Rudra is Nirriti). ajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:30 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Rohini,Nitish, A bit off for astrology, but here is something to consider.Water could signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It could signify bearing with all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved Mother earth from fury of Ganga. Chandrashekhar. Nitish Arya wrote: Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari yoga, as also it was originally done to cool down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest benefic against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do good to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it against all poisonous influences. Just musing. regards, nitish --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > peace? > > TIA > > Regards > > Rohini > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Rhonini, > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > give > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To > understand what you would get in return, you need to > understand the planet governing the the constituents > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > give. > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd > Milk > Ghee > Honey > Sugar > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > enhances > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > Milk > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > the > litigations would end. > > Regards > Sarajit > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > not > > make a note of it. > > > > TIA > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Ajit, Chandrasekarji, Sarajit, Nitin and Rohini Just wanted to share something significant and relevant! Incidentally, the search by Brahma and Vishnu was at Thiruvannamalai about 190 kms from Chennai (Madras). Shiva is known as Sri Arunachaleswara here and the kshetra is of Agni tatwa. Here the huge hill itself is considered as Shiva as confirmed by Skanda purana and other puranas. On Pournamasya night, every month, a few million pilgrims walk around this hill (about 14 kms) chanting Shiva mantras praying for material wealth, growth and prosperity. On Amavasya night, people seeking liberation from the cycle of births and deaths and people seeking spiritual pursuits walk around this hill shrine. This is mentioned in the puranas again and this happens even to this day. Do we see a connection there with Moon - Jala tatwa : the presence or absence of it? As for abisheka with water, it may not be out of place to mention that in the South (more prominent in Kerala) there is an offering to Shiva, which is called "Dhara". Jala (water) dhara is quite popular for Shiva, wherein a vessel containing specific measures of water is suspended over the shiva-linga and drops of water slowly descend on the linga. This is a specific offering to Lord Shiva for problems relating to head, brain, incurable high fevers, certain types of physical ailments, problems particularly relating to mind, mental agony, etc and for protection from apamrityu doshas. Depending on the severity of the problem, appropriate number of measures of Jala dhara are prescribed. This is considered a powerful remedy. I am personally aware of numerous cases completely cured of problems through this offering. For example, a typical offering to Lord Shiva in Kerala will be Jala dhara, Rear (Pinnil Vilakku) Lamp (the lamp lit behind the linga), Bilva (Mercury) mala (garland of bilva leaves), Archana and Deepam is regarded as a fine remedial measure. Maybe we can equate most of these to a panchopachara puja, but then can we bring about a connection? Abishekams are also done separately and assignment of grahas to each abishekam is a different matter. Maybe you are right is saying that most of us "expect" Venusian results. Sarajit and Nitin were close to what astrologers in Kerala prescribe as a remedy. But I think water (Moon) has a definite role in pleasing Shiva to protect us. (read :our Mind-which is governed by Moon again.) This in a sense, meets the statement that Sanjay always mentions, whatever you give to Shiva comes back to us! Peace of mind! Best wishes R. Kasthuri Rangan varahamihira wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Ajit ji, Please receive my feedback on your mail as seeking clarity. Ofcourse, you are very learned but there are natural queries to your mail : - > Pouring a > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > down " . Could you give a reasoning/reference before I accept it as is? Given that my reasoning was based on the reading of the version of mythological story, wherein Moon was placed on head of shiva to protect his body from burning due to the effect of poison Kalakuta, which he drank to avoid creation from getting destroyed. This tells a lot about the respective roles of Shiva and Chandra in our life. > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > find the top, while Vishnu > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > However, this light (agni) had > no end. Do we compare the " shiva tattwa " (symbolized by the pillar of light in this story) with agni tattwa or any of the panch-tattwas? In other words, can we extend the concept of agni tattwa as an infinity as has happened here? > The linga constitues all five tattwas, with > the top of the linga > representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, > and the other tattwas > inbetween. Could you give me the reference to the source text of this information so that the context is clear? If you have read the book " autobiography of a yogi " (http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/contents.asp) , it mentions that the whole physical universe is created through the cosmic creative rays, thus creating all of pancha-tattwas themselves. Ofcourse, these rays cannot be of the nature of any of the tattwa of the physical universe. In my understanding, as I have read, shiva tattwa is the stratum from where everything else emerges at creation and merges at destruction. The purity of Ganga (Jala Tattwa) is attributable to the intense tapas of Bhagirathi which led to manifestation of Ganga from the very stratum on which the whole universe rests. This tapas was of the same order (there is no comparison though) as Arjuna (got divine weapons from Lord Shiva - Agni tattwa), Adi-Shankaracharya (got sphatik lingams from shiva - Prithvi tattwa), Ravana (got shiva lingam from shiva himself - Prithvi tattwa) and so on. Ofcourse, this tells us a very important fact that shiva is the first and last resort for a person desiring the highest fulfillment of his desired object, which mayn't be created in another way within the bounds of the physical universe or because of his own karma. A question that arises in mind is: Why do we keep water in the kumbha (where kumbha represents lord shiva) and not any other tattwa? In all, I have only one point to make that the mythological stories as conveyed to us through ages through Guru-shishya parampara should be given due respect and weight. In my opinion, mythological stories are: 1. Event driven wherein one event is a trigger to the next in strict sequence. 2. Strict to the exact word and its contextual meaning " as is " , such that there is an unambiguous derivation of a single meaning when understood in this way. regards, nitish --- Ajit Krishnan <astro wrote: > .. hamsasso.aham .. > > > > It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his > matted locks, and Ganga > that was strained and purified by passing through > the hair of this great > yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to > propitiate him. Pouring a > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > down " . > > > > The form of a linga is neatly explained by the story > of Brahma / Vishnu > trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural > linga form-jvalalinga). > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > find the top, while Vishnu > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > However, this light (agni) had > no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, with > the top of the linga > representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, > and the other tattwas > inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms to > get various results. In > a linga's form as rudra (fire), the offspring is > Shani. In his form as bhava > (water), the offspring is Shukra. > > > > My thoughts: > > > > The spiritual giants among us will ask for the > fructifications of all > Saturnine results so that we can learn our lessons, > and be rid of the cycle > of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian results > that are more palatable > to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as > bhavalinga) gives us the > material comforts signified by Venus. > > > > The oblations to the linga are usually accompanied > with the Rudra & Chamaka > prashnas. The Rudra prashna indicates the form > Rudra, while the Chamaka > prashna is an appeal to a more pleasant side of the > same form (perhaps > Bhava). The 11 anuvakas of the Rudra prashna are > addressed to the 11 forms > of Rudra. The 3rd anuvaka is addressed to Nirriti (a > demoness). This is > arguably the most unpleasant of the 11 forms. During > sade-sati, we use the > 3rd anuvaka of chamaka as a remedy to stay the > saturnine effects that > trouble us. (Offspring of Rudra is Shani, and the > 3rd of the 11 forms of > Rudra is Nirriti). > > > > ajit > > > > _____ > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:30 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita > > > > Dear Rohini,Nitish, > A bit off for astrology, but here is something to > consider.Water could > signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It > could signify bearing with > all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved > Mother earth from fury of > Ganga. > Chandrashekhar. > > Nitish Arya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on > shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari > yoga, as also it was originally done to cool > down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had > ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. > I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest > benefic > against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do > good > to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga > brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it > against all poisonous influences. Just musing. > regards, > nitish > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang > <rohinipurang > wrote: > > > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does > water > > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, > but > > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > > peace? > > > > TIA > > > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira > <varahamihira wrote: > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > Dear Rhonini, > > > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > > give > > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. > To > > understand what you would get in return, you need > to > > understand the planet governing the the > constituents > > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > > give. > > > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > > Curd > > Milk > > Ghee > > Honey > > Sugar > > > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by > Moon > > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > > enhances > > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > > Milk > > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > > the > > litigations would end. > > > > Regards > > Sarajit > > > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang > <rohinipurang wrote: > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations > of > > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to > Lord > > > Shiva) are? > > > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is > for > > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > > not > > > make a note of it. > > > > > > TIA > > > Regards > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Ajit, Did Lord Shiva hold her in his Jata to purify Ganga? Could I know the reference to this in any of the scriptures? I shall be highly oblidged. Chandrashekhar. Ajit Krishnan wrote: ... hamsasso.aham .. It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his matted locks, and Ganga that was strained and purified by passing through the hair of this great yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to propitiate him. Pouring a few drops of water on Shiva does not “cool him down”. The form of a linga is neatly explained by the story of Brahma / Vishnu trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural linga form—jvalalinga). Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to find the top, while Vishnu as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. However, this light (agni) had no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, with the top of the linga representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, and the other tattwas inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms to get various results. In a linga’s form as rudra (fire), the offspring is Shani. In his form as bhava (water), the offspring is Shukra. My thoughts: The spiritual giants among us will ask for the fructifications of all Saturnine results so that we can learn our lessons, and be rid of the cycle of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian results that are more palatable to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as bhavalinga) gives us the material comforts signified by Venus. The oblations to the linga are usually accompanied with the Rudra & Chamaka prashnas. The Rudra prashna indicates the form Rudra, while the Chamaka prashna is an appeal to a more pleasant side of the same form (perhaps Bhava). The 11 anuvakas of the Rudra prashna are addressed to the 11 forms of Rudra. The 3rd anuvaka is addressed to Nirriti (a demoness). This is arguably the most unpleasant of the 11 forms. During sade-sati, we use the 3rd anuvaka of chamaka as a remedy to stay the saturnine effects that trouble us. (Offspring of Rudra is Shani, and the 3rd of the 11 forms of Rudra is Nirriti). ajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:30 AM To: varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Rohini,Nitish, A bit off for astrology, but here is something to consider.Water could signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It could signify bearing with all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved Mother earth from fury of Ganga. Chandrashekhar. Nitish Arya wrote: Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari yoga, as also it was originally done to cool down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest benefic against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do good to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it against all poisonous influences. Just musing. regards, nitish --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > peace? > > TIA > > Regards > > Rohini > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Rhonini, > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > give > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To > understand what you would get in return, you need to > understand the planet governing the the constituents > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > give. > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd > Milk > Ghee > Honey > Sugar > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > enhances > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > Milk > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > the > litigations would end. > > Regards > Sarajit > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > not > > make a note of it. > > > > TIA > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dear Kasturi Rangan, Thank you for the information. You are right Shiva is always worshiped with Jaladhara and not with a few drops of water. Some temples have what is known as Santat Dhara (perenial stream of water) falling over Lord Shiva's Linga form. This is perhaps related to the fact of the Lord being in a state of Samadhi and the resultant prominence of Agni Tatwa ever present. Chandrashekhar. R. Kasthuri Rangan wrote: Dear Ajit, Chandrasekarji, Sarajit, Nitin and Rohini Just wanted to share something significant and relevant! Incidentally, the search by Brahma and Vishnu was at Thiruvannamalai about 190 kms from Chennai (Madras). Shiva is known as Sri Arunachaleswara here and the kshetra is of Agni tatwa. Here the huge hill itself is considered as Shiva as confirmed by Skanda purana and other puranas. On Pournamasya night, every month, a few million pilgrims walk around this hill (about 14 kms) chanting Shiva mantras praying for material wealth, growth and prosperity. On Amavasya night, people seeking liberation from the cycle of births and deaths and people seeking spiritual pursuits walk around this hill shrine. This is mentioned in the puranas again and this happens even to this day. Do we see a connection there with Moon - Jala tatwa : the presence or absence of it? As for abisheka with water, it may not be out of place to mention that in the South (more prominent in Kerala) there is an offering to Shiva, which is called "Dhara". Jala (water) dhara is quite popular for Shiva, wherein a vessel containing specific measures of water is suspended over the shiva-linga and drops of water slowly descend on the linga. This is a specific offering to Lord Shiva for problems relating to head, brain, incurable high fevers, certain types of physical ailments, problems particularly relating to mind, mental agony, etc and for protection from apamrityu doshas. Depending on the severity of the problem, appropriate number of measures of Jala dhara are prescribed. This is considered a powerful remedy. I am personally aware of numerous cases completely cured of problems through this offering. For example, a typical offering to Lord Shiva in Kerala will be Jala dhara, Rear (Pinnil Vilakku) Lamp (the lamp lit behind the linga), Bilva (Mercury) mala (garland of bilva leaves), Archana and Deepam is regarded as a fine remedial measure. Maybe we can equate most of these to a panchopachara puja, but then can we bring about a connection? Abishekams are also done separately and assignment of grahas to each abishekam is a different matter. Maybe you are right is saying that most of us "expect" Venusian results. Sarajit and Nitin were close to what astrologers in Kerala prescribe as a remedy. But I think water (Moon) has a definite role in pleasing Shiva to protect us. (read :our Mind-which is governed by Moon again.) This in a sense, meets the statement that Sanjay always mentions, whatever you give to Shiva comes back to us! Peace of mind! Best wishes R. Kasthuri Rangan varahamihira wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. The source is tradition. You have to distinguish between devas and their param brahma rupa. The jvalalinga from the story I'd mentioned is one such example. For one of your questions, there is also the following quote (from a reputed authority) said to be from skanda puraaNa: aakaasham lingaM ityaahuh prithivii tasya piithikaa. I have some questions for you, if you don't mind... > Why do we keep water in the kumbha > (where kumbha represents lord shiva) > and not any other tattwa? Can you please explain this question? We invoke various deities into kalashas / kumbhas. For example, the satyanarayana puja, and vara lakshmi vratam are done this way. > This tapas was of the same > order (there is no comparison though) as Arjuna (got > divine weapons from Lord Shiva - Agni tattwa), > Adi-Shankaracharya (got sphatik lingams from shiva - > Prithvi tattwa), Ravana (got shiva lingam from shiva > himself - Prithvi tattwa) and so on. Can you please explain this tattwa mapping? What is the source for this? ajit Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] Monday, August 09, 2004 10:34 AM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Ajit ji, Please receive my feedback on your mail as seeking clarity. Ofcourse, you are very learned but there are natural queries to your mail : - > Pouring a > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > down " . Could you give a reasoning/reference before I accept it as is? Given that my reasoning was based on the reading of the version of mythological story, wherein Moon was placed on head of shiva to protect his body from burning due to the effect of poison Kalakuta, which he drank to avoid creation from getting destroyed. This tells a lot about the respective roles of Shiva and Chandra in our life. > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > find the top, while Vishnu > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > However, this light (agni) had > no end. Do we compare the " shiva tattwa " (symbolized by the pillar of light in this story) with agni tattwa or any of the panch-tattwas? In other words, can we extend the concept of agni tattwa as an infinity as has happened here? > The linga constitues all five tattwas, with > the top of the linga > representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, > and the other tattwas > inbetween. Could you give me the reference to the source text of this information so that the context is clear? If you have read the book " autobiography of a yogi " (http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/contents.asp) , it mentions that the whole physical universe is created through the cosmic creative rays, thus creating all of pancha-tattwas themselves. Ofcourse, these rays cannot be of the nature of any of the tattwa of the physical universe. In my understanding, as I have read, shiva tattwa is the stratum from where everything else emerges at creation and merges at destruction. The purity of Ganga (Jala Tattwa) is attributable to the intense tapas of Bhagirathi which led to manifestation of Ganga from the very stratum on which the whole universe rests. This tapas was of the same order (there is no comparison though) as Arjuna (got divine weapons from Lord Shiva - Agni tattwa), Adi-Shankaracharya (got sphatik lingams from shiva - Prithvi tattwa), Ravana (got shiva lingam from shiva himself - Prithvi tattwa) and so on. Ofcourse, this tells us a very important fact that shiva is the first and last resort for a person desiring the highest fulfillment of his desired object, which mayn't be created in another way within the bounds of the physical universe or because of his own karma. A question that arises in mind is: Why do we keep water in the kumbha (where kumbha represents lord shiva) and not any other tattwa? In all, I have only one point to make that the mythological stories as conveyed to us through ages through Guru-shishya parampara should be given due respect and weight. In my opinion, mythological stories are: 1. Event driven wherein one event is a trigger to the next in strict sequence. 2. Strict to the exact word and its contextual meaning " as is " , such that there is an unambiguous derivation of a single meaning when understood in this way. regards, nitish --- Ajit Krishnan <astro wrote: > .. hamsasso.aham .. > > > > It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his > matted locks, and Ganga > that was strained and purified by passing through > the hair of this great > yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to > propitiate him. Pouring a > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > down " . > > > > The form of a linga is neatly explained by the story > of Brahma / Vishnu > trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural > linga form-jvalalinga). > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > find the top, while Vishnu > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > However, this light (agni) had > no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, with > the top of the linga > representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, > and the other tattwas > inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms to > get various results. In > a linga's form as rudra (fire), the offspring is > Shani. In his form as bhava > (water), the offspring is Shukra. > > > > My thoughts: > > > > The spiritual giants among us will ask for the > fructifications of all > Saturnine results so that we can learn our lessons, > and be rid of the cycle > of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian results > that are more palatable > to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as > bhavalinga) gives us the > material comforts signified by Venus. > > > > The oblations to the linga are usually accompanied > with the Rudra & Chamaka > prashnas. The Rudra prashna indicates the form > Rudra, while the Chamaka > prashna is an appeal to a more pleasant side of the > same form (perhaps > Bhava). The 11 anuvakas of the Rudra prashna are > addressed to the 11 forms > of Rudra. The 3rd anuvaka is addressed to Nirriti (a > demoness). This is > arguably the most unpleasant of the 11 forms. During > sade-sati, we use the > 3rd anuvaka of chamaka as a remedy to stay the > saturnine effects that > trouble us. (Offspring of Rudra is Shani, and the > 3rd of the 11 forms of > Rudra is Nirriti). > > > > ajit > > > > _____ > > Chandrashekhar [boxdel] > Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:30 AM > varahamihira > Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita > > > > Dear Rohini,Nitish, > A bit off for astrology, but here is something to > consider.Water could > signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It > could signify bearing with > all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved > Mother earth from fury of > Ganga. > Chandrashekhar. > > Nitish Arya wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on > shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari > yoga, as also it was originally done to cool > down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had > ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. > I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest > benefic > against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do > good > to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga > brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it > against all poisonous influences. Just musing. > regards, > nitish > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang > <rohinipurang > wrote: > > > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does > water > > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, > but > > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > > peace? > > > > TIA > > > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira > <varahamihira wrote: > > || Jaya Jagannath || > > Dear Rhonini, > > > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > > give > > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. > To > > understand what you would get in return, you need > to > > understand the planet governing the the > constituents > > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > > give. > > > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > > Curd > > Milk > > Ghee > > Honey > > Sugar > > > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by > Moon > > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > > enhances > > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > > Milk > > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > > the > > litigations would end. > > > > Regards > > Sarajit > > > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang > <rohinipurang wrote: > > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations > of > > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to > Lord > > > Shiva) are? > > > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is > for > > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > > not > > > make a note of it. > > > > > > TIA > > > Regards > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. I’m afraid I might have chosen the wrong words. I do not claim that Shiva held her to purify her. I claim that since she was held in his locks, she happened to be purified yet again. ajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Monday, August 09, 2004 12:26 PM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Ajit, Did Lord Shiva hold her in his Jata to purify Ganga? Could I know the reference to this in any of the scriptures? I shall be highly oblidged. Chandrashekhar. Ajit Krishnan wrote: ... hamsasso.aham .. It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his matted locks, and Ganga that was strained and purified by passing through the hair of this great yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to propitiate him. Pouring a few drops of water on Shiva does not “cool him down”. The form of a linga is neatly explained by the story of Brahma / Vishnu trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural linga form—jvalalinga). Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to find the top, while Vishnu as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. However, this light (agni) had no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, with the top of the linga representing akasha, the base representing prithvi, and the other tattwas inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms to get various results. In a linga’s form as rudra (fire), the offspring is Shani. In his form as bhava (water), the offspring is Shukra. My thoughts: The spiritual giants among us will ask for the fructifications of all Saturnine results so that we can learn our lessons, and be rid of the cycle of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian results that are more palatable to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as bhavalinga) gives us the material comforts signified by Venus. The oblations to the linga are usually accompanied with the Rudra & Chamaka prashnas. The Rudra prashna indicates the form Rudra, while the Chamaka prashna is an appeal to a more pleasant side of the same form (perhaps Bhava). The 11 anuvakas of the Rudra prashna are addressed to the 11 forms of Rudra. The 3rd anuvaka is addressed to Nirriti (a demoness). This is arguably the most unpleasant of the 11 forms. During sade-sati, we use the 3rd anuvaka of chamaka as a remedy to stay the saturnine effects that trouble us. (Offspring of Rudra is Shani, and the 3rd of the 11 forms of Rudra is Nirriti). ajit Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:30 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita Dear Rohini,Nitish, A bit off for astrology, but here is something to consider.Water could signify Ganga who held by Shiva in his Jatas. It could signify bearing with all the problems of the Archaka as the Lord saved Mother earth from fury of Ganga. Chandrashekhar. Nitish Arya wrote: Dear Rohini, In my understanding, Water (Moon) is poured on shiva (Jupiter) to get the influences of Gajakesari yoga, as also it was originally done to cool down/protect the burning body of Shiva as he had ingested Poison coming out of SamudraManthan. I wonder, but Moon looks like the greatest benefic against poison (Rahu,gulika, mandi) if he can do good to lord shiva himself. So probably, Gajakesari yoga brings out best out of jupiter by protecting it against all poisonous influences. Just musing. regards, nitish --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > Thanks Sarajit - in the same vein - what does water > stand for? Not as a constituent of panchamrita, but > as something that is often offered to Shiva. Would > it also be signified by Moon and stand for mental > peace? > > TIA > > Regards > > Rohini > > Sarajit Poddar <varahamihira wrote: > || Jaya Jagannath || > Dear Rhonini, > > The philosophy behind this is that, whatever you > give > to Shiva, you get that return back in Multiples. To > understand what you would get in return, you need to > understand the planet governing the the constituents > of the Panchamrita and understand what they can > give. > > The constituent of the Panchamrita are > Curd > Milk > Ghee > Honey > Sugar > > Out of this, Curd is govened by Venus, Milk by Moon > and Ghee, Honey and Sugar by Jupiter. So Curd > enhances > longevity, Ghee, Honey and Sugar, prosperity and > Milk > enhaces Peace of Mind... > > > Along with it if you give Bilva leaves (Mercury), > the > litigations would end. > > Regards > Sarajit > > --- rohini purang <rohinipurang wrote: > > Dear Gurus and friends > > > > Can you please tell me what the significations of > > the five elements of panchamrita (offered to Lord > > Shiva) are? > > > > I remember once Sanjayji saying that water is for > > peace of mind, honey for wealth and so on, but > > unfortunately I do not remember clearly and did > not > > make a note of it. > > > > TIA > > Regards > > > > Rohini > > |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Dear Ajit ji, > I have some questions for you, if you don't mind... I am only learning from learned people like you. Also, it is not my least intent to impress my opinions as assertions. > Can you please explain this question? We invoke > various deities into > kalashas / kumbhas. For example, the satyanarayana > puja, and vara lakshmi > vratam are done this way. I accept your answer and there is nothing more to that question right now. Still, if you could elucidate the answer more . > Can you please explain this tattwa mapping? What is > the source for this? Tattwa mapping comes from my understanding as explicitly written in my last mail. regards, nitish --- Ajit Krishnan <astro wrote: > > .. hamsasso.aham .. > > The source is tradition. You have to distinguish > between devas and their > param brahma rupa. The jvalalinga from the story I'd > mentioned is one such > example. > > For one of your questions, there is also the > following quote (from a reputed > authority) said to be from skanda puraaNa: aakaasham > lingaM ityaahuh > prithivii tasya piithikaa. > > I have some questions for you, if you don't mind... > > > Why do we keep water in the kumbha > > (where kumbha represents lord shiva) > > and not any other tattwa? > > Can you please explain this question? We invoke > various deities into > kalashas / kumbhas. For example, the satyanarayana > puja, and vara lakshmi > vratam are done this way. > > > This tapas was of the same > > order (there is no comparison though) as Arjuna > (got > > divine weapons from Lord Shiva - Agni tattwa), > > Adi-Shankaracharya (got sphatik lingams from shiva > - > > Prithvi tattwa), Ravana (got shiva lingam from > shiva > > himself - Prithvi tattwa) and so on. > > Can you please explain this tattwa mapping? What is > the source for this? > > ajit > > > > Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99] > Monday, August 09, 2004 10:34 AM > varahamihira > RE: |Sri Varaha| panchamrita > > Dear Ajit ji, > Please receive my feedback on your mail as > seeking > clarity. Ofcourse, you are very learned but there > are > natural queries to your mail : - > > > Pouring a > > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > > down " . > Could you give a reasoning/reference before I > accept it as is? Given that my reasoning was based > on > the reading of the version of mythological story, > wherein Moon was placed on head of shiva to protect > his body from burning due to the effect of poison > Kalakuta, which he drank to avoid creation from > getting destroyed. This tells a lot about the > respective roles of Shiva and Chandra in our life. > > > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > > find the top, while Vishnu > > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > > However, this light (agni) had > > no end. > Do we compare the " shiva tattwa " (symbolized by > the pillar of light in this story) with agni tattwa > or > any of the panch-tattwas? In other words, can we > extend the concept of agni tattwa as an infinity as > has happened here? > > > The linga constitues all five tattwas, with > > the top of the linga > > representing akasha, the base representing > prithvi, > > and the other tattwas > > inbetween. > > Could you give me the reference to the source > text > of this information so that the context is clear? > > If you have read the book " autobiography of a > yogi " > (http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/contents.asp) > , it mentions that the whole physical universe is > created through the cosmic creative rays, thus > creating all of pancha-tattwas themselves. Ofcourse, > these rays cannot be of the nature of any of the > tattwa of the physical universe. > > In my understanding, as I have read, shiva tattwa > is > the stratum from where everything else emerges at > creation and merges at destruction. > The purity of Ganga (Jala Tattwa) is attributable > to > the intense tapas of Bhagirathi which led to > manifestation of Ganga from the very stratum on > which > the whole universe rests. This tapas was of the same > order (there is no comparison though) as Arjuna (got > divine weapons from Lord Shiva - Agni tattwa), > Adi-Shankaracharya (got sphatik lingams from shiva - > Prithvi tattwa), Ravana (got shiva lingam from shiva > himself - Prithvi tattwa) and so on. > Ofcourse, this tells us a very important fact > that > shiva is the first and last resort for a person > desiring the highest fulfillment of his desired > object, which mayn't be created in another way > within > the bounds of the physical universe or because of > his > own karma. > > A question that arises in mind is: Why do we keep > water in the kumbha (where kumbha represents lord > shiva) and not any other tattwa? > > In all, I have only one point to make that the > mythological stories as conveyed to us through ages > through Guru-shishya parampara should be given due > respect and weight. In my opinion, mythological > stories are: > 1. Event driven wherein one event is a trigger to > the > next in strict sequence. > 2. Strict to the exact word and its contextual > meaning > " as is " , such that there is an unambiguous > derivation > of a single meaning when understood in this way. > regards, > nitish > --- Ajit Krishnan <astro wrote: > > > .. hamsasso.aham .. > > > > > > > > It was Shiva that held Ganga entirely within his > > matted locks, and Ganga > > that was strained and purified by passing through > > the hair of this great > > yogi. By supplicating to him, we can attempt to > > propitiate him. Pouring a > > few drops of water on Shiva does not " cool him > > down " . > > > > > > > > The form of a linga is neatly explained by the > story > > of Brahma / Vishnu > > trying to find the ends of Shiva (in his natural > > linga form-jvalalinga). > > Brahma flew upwards on a swan (akasha) trying to > > find the top, while Vishnu > > as a boar tried to dig (prithvi) down below. > > However, this light (agni) had > > no end. The linga constitues all five tattwas, > with > > the top of the linga > > representing akasha, the base representing > prithvi, > > and the other tattwas > > inbetween. We can worship Shiva in various forms > to > > get various results. In > > a linga's form as rudra (fire), the offspring is > > Shani. In his form as bhava > > (water), the offspring is Shukra. > > > > > > > > My thoughts: > > > > > > > > The spiritual giants among us will ask for the > > fructifications of all > > Saturnine results so that we can learn our > lessons, > > and be rid of the cycle > > of rebirth. Most of us would prefer Venusian > results > > that are more palatable > > to us. Worshipping the linga with water (i.e. as > > bhavalinga) gives us the > > material comforts signified by Venus. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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