Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

August 19, 2004

Dear Sanjay P,

Visti has replied to your letter, although not with a desirable outcome, I have been waiting for the real secret for so long and now when we would get it ? I hope Dear Visti realises that everyone is not fortunate like him to study with SR in India for months. It would be most generous of him if he reveals it.

As to the applicability of the degs of AL, theirs is lots which we do not know. I normally wouldnt narrate what i am going to write below since some say by talking about it, the power of the energy gets diluted. I had only written to Brendan about it.

I got a dream where in the degs of AL was mentioned but it was in odd manner which I couldnt register. Although at this period of time I had taken a big vacation from astrology but i went to the 88yr old master who Sanjay has himself acknowledged in his books and the old man was one of the first to reveal Arudha system properly. He had told someone in private that to master the arudha system one has to leave all other systems of astrology and ARudha system itself will suffice for an astrologer to make stunning predictions.

when I went to him recently and told him about my dream on the degs of AL, he gave me his mystic 88 yr old smile but didn't reveal much.

Research

For research purpose, people should check the nak lord of the AL and see if the periods of those planets were up or down in life/ or image wise. Ofcourse other criteria like strength of the planets and aspects would come in. If people can write back to me on this I would appreciate it.

Btw Visti and Freedom, did Sanjayji teach of the many techniques , the one above.

U wrote "Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could mean it has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure."

SJ: From what i understood of the above lines, I feel the usage of Arudhas has clearly been demonstrated by SR with his famous tech of 11th from AL, wearing the stone of the 11th from AL. So their is a practical purpose of it to the world maya.

Its like the famous Sholay saying " Loha Lohe ko kat tha hain" meaning (for westerners) 'Only metal can bite (tear) metal' aka arudha can apply to arudha problems.

I hope i was clear in communicating my thoughts.

Warm regards,

SJ

Message: 2 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:06:26 -0000 sanjaypSubject: Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sunil and Learned Jyotishas, In the current BPHS we have Maharishi Parashara did not seem to mention the degrees. We cannot assume the degrees unless Guruji explicitly states it. It's very possible that Guruji just told Visti and Freedom just to experiment with the idea. He could have been testing them too . I would still wait for Guruji to give a official statement about this. Till then I will not take the degrees. Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could mean it has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure.Warm RegardsSanjay POm Tat SatMessage: 3 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:01 +0200 "Visti Larsen" <vistiRE: Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas|Hare Rama Krsna|Dear Sanjay, NamaskarSanjayji gave us several examples with this principle - focused on theNakñatra occupied by the Ärüòha Lagna.Maybe Sanjayji did not want us to share these notes with others online -that's a possibility. So next time theres talk of Upagrahas, Kala Chakra,Varëada Lagna, Ärüòha Lagna, Nakshatras, or anything in the entire 3rdchapter of BPHS - I'll consider keeping it to myself, that way I don't getsubjected to these kind of doubts. Instead you can wait for Guruji to tellyou himself - since you prefer that.Thanks for the help Sanjay.Yours,Visti Larsen <visti visti

August 20, 2004

Hare Rama Krsna

Sunil, I would love to hear more of your

meeting with this man, and what is his name, etc

Arudha Lagna is not taken from Rasi chart

into the D-charts, each D-chart has a new AL (and arudhas) which

is specific to that area of life. Be aware as well that in the D-4, the A4 is

more important than the AL,

as it is the main house under interpretation. This goes for all varga charts. The

AL in the D60 is used as the lagna of the last

life, this is calculated from the lagna and its lord of that varga (it is not

the Amsa of the AL

in Rasi).

The degrees for AL

are the same as Lagna, and the only teaching Sanjay has given on this is for

the AL

naksatra. This is not used for any of the primary

AL techniques,

and is NOT found in shastra.

AL

Nakshatra:

The number of

Nakshatras counted from your AL

to your Moon shows the how you relate to your body.

The number of

nakshatras counted from Lagna to Moon [what energy is going to the Moon], shows

the relation of sensory input to the manas (it is used in mantra shastra to see

how the deities influence your mind….and A5 also shows how you perceive the deity).

Lagna Nakshatra to

Moon Nakshatra also shows what will help you control the senses.

It is said that a

planet in the same Nakshatra with the AL

is more influential than just in the sign.

The 27 nakshatra

system is used for Arudhas; 27 (material plane) and 28 (spiritual plane)

The number

of nakshatras are correlated to the planets in this fashion:

1-

Sun, 2-Moon, 3-Jupiter, 4-Rahu, 5-Mercury, 6-Venus, 7-Ketu,

8-Saturn, 9-Mars

This are interpreted

just as one would utilize the pachanga.

“He had told

someone in private that to master the arudha system one has to leave all other

systems of astrology and Arudha system itself will suffice for an astrologer to

make stunning predictions.”

I have not found this to be true, as my

understanding is that to fully use the Arudhas we need to fully utilize all the

traditional rules of astrology. The way Sanjay has taught Arudhas is not what

some call the “arudha system of prediction”. It is an integrated approach

to Jyotish that is not separate from everything else in Parasara and Jaimini. Most

principles applied (even those found in the nadis) can be seen to be rooted in the

rules given in BPHS and Upadesa Sutras on the Arudha Lagna and the Upapada

Lagna. Maybe in the recent past arudhas have been separate from what some have

called Parasari astrology but SJC is teaching Parasara in entirety, and

Parasara has not separated Arudhas into another book, fully investigate BPHS

and all it has to say about Arudhas. Fully investigate Upadesa Sutras and see

the similarity in the teaching regarding Arudhas, and then what has been added

by Jaimini.

Namah Sivaya

Sunil John

[suniljohn_2004]

Thursday, August 19, 2004

1:03 AM

varahamihira

Cc: guruji; Sanjay Rath

|Sri Varaha| Logic &

Usage of degs of Arudhas

Dear Sanjay P,

Visti has replied to your letter, although

not with a desirable outcome, I have been waiting for the real secret for so

long and now when we would get it ? I hope Dear Visti realises that everyone is

not fortunate like him to study with SR in India for months. It would be most

generous of him if he reveals it.

As to the

applicability of the degs of AL,

theirs is lots which we do not know. I normally wouldnt narrate what i am going

to write below since some say by talking about it, the power of the energy gets

diluted. I had only written to Brendan about it.

I got a dream where in

the degs of AL

was mentioned but it was in odd manner which I couldnt register. Although at

this period of time I had taken a big vacation from astrology but i went to the

88yr old master who Sanjay has himself acknowledged in his books and the old

man was one of the first to reveal Arudha system properly. He had told someone

in private that to master the arudha system one has to leave all other systems

of astrology and ARudha system itself will suffice for an astrologer to make

stunning predictions.

when I went to him

recently and told him about my dream on the degs of AL, he gave me his mystic 88 yr old smile

but didn't reveal much.

Research

For research purpose,

people should check the nak lord of the AL

and see if the periods of those planets were up or down in life/ or image wise.

Ofcourse other criteria like strength of the planets and aspects would come in.

If people can write back to me on this I would appreciate it.

Btw Visti and Freedom,

did Sanjayji teach of the many techniques , the one above.

U wrote " Arudhas

are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could mean it

has amsha's

and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does

it apply to

the world maya?. I am not sure. "

SJ: From what i

understood of the above lines, I feel the usage of Arudhas has clearly been

demonstrated by SR with his famous tech of 11th from AL, wearing the stone of

the 11th from AL.

So their is a practical purpose of it to the world maya.

Its like the famous

Sholay saying " Loha Lohe ko kat tha hain " meaning (for westerners)

'Only metal can bite (tear) metal' aka arudha can apply to arudha problems.

I hope i was clear in communicating

my thoughts.

Warm regards,

SJ

Message: 2

Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:06:26 -0000

sanjayp

Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Sunil and Learned Jyotishas,

In the current BPHS we have Maharishi Parashara did not seem to

mention the degrees. We cannot assume the degrees unless Guruji

explicitly states it.

It's very possible that Guruji just told Visti and Freedom just to

experiment with the idea. He could have been testing them too .

I would still wait for Guruji to give a official statement about

this. Till then I will not take the degrees.

Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could mean it

has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does

it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure.

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

Om Tat Sat

Message: 3

Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:01 +0200

" Visti Larsen "

<visti

RE: Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Sanjay, Namaskar

Sanjayji gave us several examples with this principle - focused on the

Nakñatra occupied by the Ärüòha Lagna.

Maybe Sanjayji did not want us to share these notes with others online -

that's a possibility. So next time theres talk of Upagrahas, Kala Chakra,

Varëada Lagna, Ärüòha Lagna, Nakshatras, or anything in the entire 3rd

chapter of BPHS - I'll consider keeping it to myself, that way I don't get

subjected to these kind of doubts. Instead you can wait for Guruji to tell

you himself - since you prefer that.

Thanks for the help Sanjay.

Yours,

Visti Larsen

<visti

visti

|Om

Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

August 21, 2004

Hare Rama Krsna

Freedom,

Thanks for ur detailed reply. Kindly find my reply below as SJ

varahamihira , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Sunil, I would love to hear more of your meeting with this man, and

what is

> his name, etc

SJ: His name is Chandubhai, lives in mumbai, a very old gentleman and

now is penniless. Chandubhai is one of those few astrologers who has

been honored by a title by the Shankaracharya himself at Chandubhais

residence and if i am not wrong in 1998 he got the ACVA lifetime

acheivement award in America.

>

> Arudha Lagna is not taken from Rasi chart into the D-charts, each D-

chart

> has a new AL (and arudhas) which is specific to that area of life.

Be aware

> as well that in the D-4, the A4 is more important than the AL, as

it is the

> main house under interpretation. This goes for all varga charts.

The AL in

> the D60 is used as the lagna of the last life, this is calculated

from the

> lagna and its lord of that varga (it is not the Amsa of the AL in

Rasi).

>

SJ: Dear Freedom, I had not commented on AL degs in D charts, but

since u have mentioned about it i have learned from ur writing. I

didnt know that A4 is more imp than AL in D charts although i was

very much aware of how the arudhas of the D charts were calculated.

> The degrees for AL are the same as Lagna, and the only teaching

Sanjay has

> given on this is for the AL naksatra. This is not used for any of

the

> primary AL techniques, and is NOT found in shastra.

SJ: yes from my interaction with various senior members in 2 yrs i

have realised that Al degs have not been mentioned in shastra of what

we have currently. Hence when my dream was confirmed by the old man,

re the AL degs i was very happy.

>

> AL Nakshatra:

> The number of Nakshatras counted from your AL to your Moon shows

the how you

> relate to your body.

>

> The number of nakshatras counted from Lagna to Moon [what energy is

going to

> the Moon], shows the relation of sensory input to the manas (it is

used in

> mantra shastra to see how the deities influence your mind….and A5

also shows

> how you perceive the deity).

> Lagna Nakshatra to Moon Nakshatra also shows what will help you

control the

> senses.

>

> It is said that a planet in the same Nakshatra with the AL is more

> influential than just in the sign.

>

> The 27 nakshatra system is used for Arudhas; 27 (material plane)

and 28

> (spiritual plane)

>

> The number of nakshatras are correlated to the planets in this

fashion:

> 1- Sun, 2-Moon, 3-Jupiter, 4-Rahu, 5-Mercury, 6-Venus, 7-Ketu,

> 8-Saturn, 9-Mars

> This are interpreted just as one would utilize the pachanga.

>

> " He had told someone in private that to master the arudha system

one has to

> leave all other systems of astrology and Arudha system itself will

suffice

> for an astrologer to make stunning predictions. "

>

> I have not found this to be true, as my understanding is that to

fully use

> the Arudhas we need to fully utilize all the traditional rules of

astrology.

> The way Sanjay has taught Arudhas is not what some call the " arudha

system

> of prediction " . It is an integrated approach to Jyotish that is not

separate

> from everything else in Parasara and Jaimini. Most principles

applied (even

> those found in the nadis) can be seen to be rooted in the rules

given in

> BPHS and Upadesa Sutras on the Arudha Lagna and the Upapada Lagna.

Maybe in

> the recent past arudhas have been separate from what some have

called

> Parasari astrology but SJC is teaching Parasara in entirety, and

Parasara

> has not separated Arudhas into another book, fully investigate BPHS

and all

> it has to say about Arudhas. Fully investigate Upadesa Sutras and

see the

> similarity in the teaching regarding Arudhas, and then what has

been added

> by Jaimini.

>

SJ: Yes obviously Arudhas are part of our system. Definitely of what

we know of Arudhas, we can surely say that Arudhas alone cannot be

used seperately. What the old astrologer must have meant to my friend

was Arudha system is sufficient enough & can be usefully relied upon.

I think Chandubhai has been very influenced by one incident which

happened to Dr. Raman. Many yrs back Dr Raman had heard of a great

astrologer in Chennai and when he sent his chart to him, the

astrologer predicted within secs 3 events which came out true without

giving the explanation. When probed, he revealed only by the arudha

system.

With the blessings of the Divine Mother

SJ

P.S: by the way were u or anyone able to check the nak lord of the AL

and to see how its dasa/antar has been.

> Namah Sivaya

>

> _____

>

> Sunil John [suniljohn_2004@h...]

> Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:03 AM

> varahamihira

> Cc: guruji@s...; Sanjay Rath

> |Sri Varaha| Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

>

> Dear Sanjay P,

> Visti has replied to your letter, although not with a desirable

outcome, I

> have been waiting for the real secret for so long and now when we

would get

> it ? I hope Dear Visti realises that everyone is not fortunate like

him to

> study with SR in India for months. It would be most generous of him

if he

> reveals it.

>

> As to the applicability of the degs of AL, theirs is lots which we

do not

> know. I normally wouldnt narrate what i am going to write below

since some

> say by talking about it, the power of the energy gets diluted. I

had only

> written to Brendan about it.

>

> I got a dream where in the degs of AL was mentioned but it was in

odd manner

> which I couldnt register. Although at this period of time I had

taken a big

> vacation from astrology but i went to the 88yr old master who

Sanjay has

> himself acknowledged in his books and the old man was one of the

first to

> reveal Arudha system properly. He had told someone in private that

to master

> the arudha system one has to leave all other systems of astrology

and ARudha

> system itself will suffice for an astrologer to make stunning

predictions.

>

> when I went to him recently and told him about my dream on the degs

of AL,

> he gave me his mystic 88 yr old smile but didn't reveal much.

>

> Research

> For research purpose, people should check the nak lord of the AL

and see if

> the periods of those planets were up or down in life/ or image wise.

> Ofcourse other criteria like strength of the planets and aspects

would come

> in. If people can write back to me on this I would appreciate it.

>

> Btw Visti and Freedom, did Sanjayji teach of the many techniques ,

the one

> above.

>

> U wrote " Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this

could mean

> it

> has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does

> it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure. "

>

> SJ: From what i understood of the above lines, I feel the usage of

Arudhas

> has clearly been demonstrated by SR with his famous tech of 11th

from AL,

> wearing the stone of the 11th from AL. So their is a practical

purpose of it

> to the world maya.

>

> Its like the famous Sholay saying " Loha Lohe ko kat tha hain "

meaning (for

> westerners) 'Only metal can bite (tear) metal' aka arudha can apply

to

> arudha problems.

>

> I hope i was clear in communicating my thoughts.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> SJ

>

> Message: 2

> Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:06:26 -0000

> sanjayp@c...

> Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Sunil and Learned Jyotishas,

>

> In the current BPHS we have Maharishi Parashara did not seem to

> mention the degrees. We cannot assume the degrees unless Guruji

> explicitly states it.

>

> It's very possible that Guruji just told Visti and Freedom just to

> experiment with the idea. He could have been testing them too .

>

> I would still wait for Guruji to give a official statement about

> this. Till then I will not take the degrees.

>

> Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could mean

it

> has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!). Does

> it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

>

> Om Tat Sat

>

> Message: 3

> Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:01 +0200

> " Visti Larsen " <visti@s...>

> RE: Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

>

> |Hare Rama Krsna|

>

> Dear Sanjay, Namaskar

>

> Sanjayji gave us several examples with this principle - focused on

the

> Nakñatra occupied by the Ärüòha Lagna.

>

> Maybe Sanjayji did not want us to share these notes with others

online -

> that's a possibility. So next time theres talk of Upagrahas, Kala

Chakra,

> Varëada Lagna, Ärüòha Lagna, Nakshatras, or anything in the entire

3rd

> chapter of BPHS - I'll consider keeping it to myself, that way I

don't get

> subjected to these kind of doubts. Instead you can wait for Guruji

to tell

> you himself - since you prefer that.

>

> Thanks for the help Sanjay.

>

> Yours,

>

> Visti Larsen

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

|Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

August 21, 2004

Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

Dear Sunil,

Sorry to interrupt in. Arudhas are very important, in Prasna it's

extensively used. My point here is the story which is added

hereunder. This is mentioned in his book - 'My Experiences in

Astrology' Infact it was not in the way described. Dr Raman himself

went to him and this Astrologer (in his words a great scholar) was

answering 3 questions on the payment of an 'ana' or so. Therefore for

Dr Raman's questions this Astrologer replied instantly, like for one

question he replied doubtful etc; When Dr Raman asked him how he's

answering questions, he said 'on the basis of arudhas' (I am now in

office and am writing from memory). Infact as I read the book I felt

he quoted this to tell us how important the mathematical calculations

such as Shadbala strength etc; Not to stress the importance of

Arudhas.

Yet in Prasna many things are specifically seen from Arudha. My

knowledge is very limited hence I dont attempt this subject now.

Arudha Lagna is equally important as Lagna, hence scholars say that

we have to look on a chart from Rasi, Bhava, Navamsa and Arudha.

Ofcourse in Jaimini things are different.

In the said book he speaks about other special astrologers as well.

Like one astrologer could time events accurately just on the basis of

Ashtaka Varga. In Astrology anything is possible :-)

--------

In JH, Arudhas for lords in Sc and Aq consider Ke and Ra as well. I

had written earlier to honourable Narasimhaji and he agreed to

provide an option to ignore these. I hope this will be available in

the next version of JH.

--------

Your mails are very nice especially the way you come with new topics

is commendable.

Best Regards,

Saaji

varahamihira , " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

> Freedom,

> Thanks for ur detailed reply. Kindly find my reply below as SJ

>

> varahamihira , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> >

> > Sunil, I would love to hear more of your meeting with this man,

and

> what is

> > his name, etc

>

> SJ: His name is Chandubhai, lives in mumbai, a very old gentleman

and

> now is penniless. Chandubhai is one of those few astrologers who

has

> been honored by a title by the Shankaracharya himself at

Chandubhais

> residence and if i am not wrong in 1998 he got the ACVA lifetime

> acheivement award in America.

>

> >

> > Arudha Lagna is not taken from Rasi chart into the D-charts, each

D-

> chart

> > has a new AL (and arudhas) which is specific to that area of

life.

> Be aware

> > as well that in the D-4, the A4 is more important than the AL, as

> it is the

> > main house under interpretation. This goes for all varga charts.

> The AL in

> > the D60 is used as the lagna of the last life, this is calculated

> from the

> > lagna and its lord of that varga (it is not the Amsa of the AL in

> Rasi).

> >

>

> SJ: Dear Freedom, I had not commented on AL degs in D charts, but

> since u have mentioned about it i have learned from ur writing. I

> didnt know that A4 is more imp than AL in D charts although i was

> very much aware of how the arudhas of the D charts were calculated.

>

> > The degrees for AL are the same as Lagna, and the only teaching

> Sanjay has

> > given on this is for the AL naksatra. This is not used for any of

> the

> > primary AL techniques, and is NOT found in shastra.

>

> SJ: yes from my interaction with various senior members in 2 yrs i

> have realised that Al degs have not been mentioned in shastra of

what

> we have currently. Hence when my dream was confirmed by the old

man,

> re the AL degs i was very happy.

> >

> > AL Nakshatra:

> > The number of Nakshatras counted from your AL to your Moon shows

> the how you

> > relate to your body.

> >

> > The number of nakshatras counted from Lagna to Moon [what energy

is

> going to

> > the Moon], shows the relation of sensory input to the manas (it

is

> used in

> > mantra shastra to see how the deities influence your mind….and A5

> also shows

> > how you perceive the deity).

> > Lagna Nakshatra to Moon Nakshatra also shows what will help you

> control the

> > senses.

> >

> > It is said that a planet in the same Nakshatra with the AL is more

> > influential than just in the sign.

> >

> > The 27 nakshatra system is used for Arudhas; 27 (material plane)

> and 28

> > (spiritual plane)

> >

> > The number of nakshatras are correlated to the planets in this

> fashion:

> > 1- Sun, 2-Moon, 3-Jupiter, 4-Rahu, 5-Mercury, 6-Venus, 7-

Ketu,

> > 8-Saturn, 9-Mars

> > This are interpreted just as one would utilize the pachanga.

> >

> > " He had told someone in private that to master the arudha system

> one has to

> > leave all other systems of astrology and Arudha system itself

will

> suffice

> > for an astrologer to make stunning predictions. "

> >

> > I have not found this to be true, as my understanding is that to

> fully use

> > the Arudhas we need to fully utilize all the traditional rules of

> astrology.

> > The way Sanjay has taught Arudhas is not what some call

the " arudha

> system

> > of prediction " . It is an integrated approach to Jyotish that is

not

> separate

> > from everything else in Parasara and Jaimini. Most principles

> applied (even

> > those found in the nadis) can be seen to be rooted in the rules

> given in

> > BPHS and Upadesa Sutras on the Arudha Lagna and the Upapada

Lagna.

> Maybe in

> > the recent past arudhas have been separate from what some have

> called

> > Parasari astrology but SJC is teaching Parasara in entirety, and

> Parasara

> > has not separated Arudhas into another book, fully investigate

BPHS

> and all

> > it has to say about Arudhas. Fully investigate Upadesa Sutras and

> see the

> > similarity in the teaching regarding Arudhas, and then what has

> been added

> > by Jaimini.

> >

>

> SJ: Yes obviously Arudhas are part of our system. Definitely of

what

> we know of Arudhas, we can surely say that Arudhas alone cannot be

> used seperately. What the old astrologer must have meant to my

friend

> was Arudha system is sufficient enough & can be usefully relied

upon.

> I think Chandubhai has been very influenced by one incident which

> happened to Dr. Raman. Many yrs back Dr Raman had heard of a great

> astrologer in Chennai and when he sent his chart to him, the

> astrologer predicted within secs 3 events which came out true

without

> giving the explanation. When probed, he revealed only by the arudha

> system.

>

> With the blessings of the Divine Mother

> SJ

> P.S: by the way were u or anyone able to check the nak lord of the

AL

> and to see how its dasa/antar has been.

>

> > Namah Sivaya

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Sunil John [suniljohn_2004@h...]

> > Thursday, August 19, 2004 1:03 AM

> > varahamihira

> > Cc: guruji@s...; Sanjay Rath

> > |Sri Varaha| Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

> >

> > Dear Sanjay P,

> > Visti has replied to your letter, although not with a desirable

> outcome, I

> > have been waiting for the real secret for so long and now when we

> would get

> > it ? I hope Dear Visti realises that everyone is not fortunate

like

> him to

> > study with SR in India for months. It would be most generous of

him

> if he

> > reveals it.

> >

> > As to the applicability of the degs of AL, theirs is lots which

we

> do not

> > know. I normally wouldnt narrate what i am going to write below

> since some

> > say by talking about it, the power of the energy gets diluted. I

> had only

> > written to Brendan about it.

> >

> > I got a dream where in the degs of AL was mentioned but it was in

> odd manner

> > which I couldnt register. Although at this period of time I had

> taken a big

> > vacation from astrology but i went to the 88yr old master who

> Sanjay has

> > himself acknowledged in his books and the old man was one of the

> first to

> > reveal Arudha system properly. He had told someone in private

that

> to master

> > the arudha system one has to leave all other systems of astrology

> and ARudha

> > system itself will suffice for an astrologer to make stunning

> predictions.

> >

> > when I went to him recently and told him about my dream on the

degs

> of AL,

> > he gave me his mystic 88 yr old smile but didn't reveal much.

> >

> > Research

> > For research purpose, people should check the nak lord of the AL

> and see if

> > the periods of those planets were up or down in life/ or image

wise.

> > Ofcourse other criteria like strength of the planets and aspects

> would come

> > in. If people can write back to me on this I would appreciate it.

> >

> > Btw Visti and Freedom, did Sanjayji teach of the many

techniques ,

> the one

> > above.

> >

> > U wrote " Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this

> could mean

> > it

> > has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!).

Does

> > it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure. "

> >

> > SJ: From what i understood of the above lines, I feel the usage

of

> Arudhas

> > has clearly been demonstrated by SR with his famous tech of 11th

> from AL,

> > wearing the stone of the 11th from AL. So their is a practical

> purpose of it

> > to the world maya.

> >

> > Its like the famous Sholay saying " Loha Lohe ko kat tha hain "

> meaning (for

> > westerners) 'Only metal can bite (tear) metal' aka arudha can

apply

> to

> > arudha problems.

> >

> > I hope i was clear in communicating my thoughts.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > Message: 2

> > Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:06:26 -0000

> > sanjayp@c...

> > Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Dear Sunil and Learned Jyotishas,

> >

> > In the current BPHS we have Maharishi Parashara did not seem to

> > mention the degrees. We cannot assume the degrees unless Guruji

> > explicitly states it.

> >

> > It's very possible that Guruji just told Visti and Freedom just

to

> > experiment with the idea. He could have been testing them too .

> >

> > I would still wait for Guruji to give a official statement about

> > this. Till then I will not take the degrees.

> >

> > Arudhas are Maya, What is the meaning of degrees?(this could

mean

> it

> > has amsha's and then ruling dieties, D60 Karma and what not!).

Does

> > it apply to the world maya?. I am not sure.

> >

> > Warm Regards

> > Sanjay P

> >

> > Om Tat Sat

> >

> > Message: 3

> > Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:29:01 +0200

> > " Visti Larsen " <visti@s...>

> > RE: Re: Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas

> >

> > |Hare Rama Krsna|

> >

> > Dear Sanjay, Namaskar

> >

> > Sanjayji gave us several examples with this principle - focused

on

> the

> > Nakñatra occupied by the Ärüòha Lagna.

> >

> > Maybe Sanjayji did not want us to share these notes with others

> online -

> > that's a possibility. So next time theres talk of Upagrahas, Kala

> Chakra,

> > Varëada Lagna, Ärüòha Lagna, Nakshatras, or anything in the

entire

> 3rd

> > chapter of BPHS - I'll consider keeping it to myself, that way I

> don't get

> > subjected to these kind of doubts. Instead you can wait for

Guruji

> to tell

> > you himself - since you prefer that.

> >

> > Thanks for the help Sanjay.

> >

> > Yours,

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> > <visti@s...> visti@s...

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

August 21, 2004

Hare Rama Krsna

Sunil, its not A4 in d-charts, its A4 in the D-4, it would be A5 in the D-7,

it would be A4 for mother in the D-12 and A9 for father in the D-12. The

point is to look at the arudha regarding the area under observation, all

this is mentioned in the notes/lectures from the SJC varga workshop.

Namah Sivaya

suniljohn_2002 [suniljohn_2004]

Friday, August 20, 2004 11:49 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Logic & Usage of degs of Arudhas