Birth data of Sri Krishna - is this the right one?

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

 

This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

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Dear Lakshmi,

At least the shloka does not mention the planetary position, barring

that of Moon, is it not? Again Kaliyuga is said to have begun with

death of Lord Krishna. If that be true, the veracity of the shloka

might be a bit suspect. Do you have the complete verse and name of the

scripture in which this is mentioned. If so we might be able to

interpret it better.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue

of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture,

published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the

following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was

given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou

Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe

pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the

junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa

(when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta

Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that

the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus),

Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo),

Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th

(Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making

it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in

swakshetra.

 

This chart is different from the ones

cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might

be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Unfortunately, the article in the magazine does not give the source, but i can always approach the editor/author to get the info. But the magazine enjoys high credibility and Sri Sarma himself is known to be very particular about quoting only from authorised vedic literature.

 

Perhaps, the word sandhi denotes here a certain time period/duration and not a single particular moment...like "sandhya", which is a certain duration of time. Krishna is supposed to have lived for 120 years, so taking into account the huge span of time of each yuga, perhaps 120yrs looks like sandhi!!

 

But one thing we can verify, which year of the gregorian calendar does Shubhakrit vatsara signify? and, was Guru transiting Taurus then?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,At least the shloka does not mention the planetary position, barring that of Moon, is it not? Again Kaliyuga is said to have begun with death of Lord Krishna. If that be true, the veracity of the shloka might be a bit suspect. Do you have the complete verse and name of the scripture in which this is mentioned. If so we might be able to interpret it better.Regards,Chandrashekhar.lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

 

This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Ooops Chandrasekharji,

 

Your name missed out from the previous mail. I am sorry...I must have been really sleepy.

 

Regards,

Lakshmilakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Unfortunately, the article in the magazine does not give the source, but i can always approach the editor/author to get the info. But the magazine enjoys high credibility and Sri Sarma himself is known to be very particular about quoting only from authorised vedic literature.

 

Perhaps, the word sandhi denotes here a certain time period/duration and not a single particular moment...like "sandhya", which is a certain duration of time. Krishna is supposed to have lived for 120 years, so taking into account the huge span of time of each yuga, perhaps 120yrs looks like sandhi!!

 

But one thing we can verify, which year of the gregorian calendar does Shubhakrit vatsara signify? and, was Guru transiting Taurus then?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear Lakshmi,At least the shloka does not mention the planetary position, barring that of Moon, is it not? Again Kaliyuga is said to have begun with death of Lord Krishna. If that be true, the veracity of the shloka might be a bit suspect. Do you have the complete verse and name of the scripture in which this is mentioned. If so we might be able to interpret it better.Regards,Chandrashekhar.lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

 

This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Dear Lakshmi,

I am certain that Shri Sarma has credibility, I do not question that

nor his intention. I am only trying to read the shloka and connect it

with the translation. The shloka does indicate that the writer is

talking about Yuga Sandhi and there is all likelihood of the shloka

being correct but referring to somebody else. That is why I inquired

about where the shloka is given and preferably the whole verse to know

exactly whose birth it was referring to. As far as I know there is no

Shubhakrita Samvatsar, perhaps the reference is to Shubha Samvatsar.

Again we are not aware of which Samvatsar the reference made, since we

use Vikram Samvatsar which is of more recent origin.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Unfortunately, the article in the magazine does not give the

source, but i can always approach the editor/author to get the info.

But the magazine enjoys high credibility and Sri Sarma himself is known

to be very particular about quoting only from authorised vedic

literature.

 

Perhaps, the word sandhi denotes here a certain time

period/duration and not a single particular moment...like "sandhya",

which is a certain duration of time. Krishna is supposed to have lived

for 120 years, so taking into account the huge span of time of each

yuga, perhaps 120yrs looks like sandhi!!

 

But one thing we can verify, which year of the gregorian

calendar does Shubhakrit vatsara signify? and, was Guru transiting

Taurus then?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear

Lakshmi,

At least the shloka does not mention the planetary position, barring

that of Moon, is it not? Again Kaliyuga is said to have begun with

death of Lord Krishna. If that be true, the veracity of the shloka

might be a bit suspect. Do you have the complete verse and name of the

scripture in which this is mentioned. If so we might be able to

interpret it better.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue

of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture,

published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet

and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the

following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou

Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe

pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the

junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa

(when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta

Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that

the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus),

Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo),

Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th

(Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it

a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

 

 

This chart is different from the ones

cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might

be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Lakshmi,

Do not worry, this happens to all of Us. In the reply I sent you, I

remembered Shubhakrita mentioned in JP and had to send second mail. In

earlier mail I had said that there is no such Samvatsar as Shubhakrita.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

Ooops Chandrasekharji,

 

Your name missed out from the previous mail. I am sorry...I must

have been really sleepy.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Unfortunately, the article in the magazine does not give the

source, but i can always approach the editor/author to get the info.

But the magazine enjoys high credibility and Sri Sarma himself is known

to be very particular about quoting only from authorised vedic

literature.

 

Perhaps, the word sandhi denotes here a certain time

period/duration and not a single particular moment...like "sandhya",

which is a certain duration of time. Krishna is supposed to have lived

for 120 years, so taking into account the huge span of time of each

yuga, perhaps 120yrs looks like sandhi!!

 

But one thing we can verify, which year of the gregorian

calendar does Shubhakrit vatsara signify? and, was Guru transiting

Taurus then?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote:

Dear

Lakshmi,

At least the shloka does not mention the planetary position, barring

that of Moon, is it not? Again Kaliyuga is said to have begun with

death of Lord Krishna. If that be true, the veracity of the shloka

might be a bit suspect. Do you have the complete verse and name of the

scripture in which this is mentioned. If so we might be able to

interpret it better.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

lakshmi ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste List,

 

In the just-received September issue

of “Rushipeetham”, a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture,

published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet

and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the

following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:

 

“ Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou

Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

Simhamaasesithe

pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute”

 

Lord Sri Krishna was born at the

junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa

(when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta

Rohini nakshatra. The planetary distribution at that moment was that

the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus),

Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo),

Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th

(Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it

a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

 

 

This chart is different from the ones

cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might

be of interest to you.

 

Happy Janmashtami!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

New

and Improved Mail - 100MB free storage!

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Laxmi, Namaskar

Another Krsna was born in the junction between Treta and Dvapara

Yuga. To differentiate him from the Vishnu-Avatara-Roopa, they

called him Krsna-Dvaipana because he was born on an Island. Today

they know him as Sri Vyasa because he divided the Vedas. His birth

is given in the Bhavagad Purana or Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

It could be this misunderstanding which has taken place as Krsna was

said to have begun the Kali Yuga upon his leaving. Is there any

possibility that this mentioned the time of his leaving and not his

arrival?

 

The reference to Krsna's birth as given by Guruji and BV Raman is

given in the same mentioned Purana. I have been willing to get Garga

Samhita which should give some further very fine details regarding

Krsna's birth - i saw the samhita in Haridvar, but never got to buy

it unfortunately.

Yours, Visti.

 

varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

>

>

> Namaste List,

>

>

>

> In the just-received September issue of " Rushipeetham " , a monthly

magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam

Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of

puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of Lord Sri

Krishna was given:

>

>

>

> " Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

>

> Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute "

>

>

>

> Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and kaliyuga,

shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo),

Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The planetary

distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha

(Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun

in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra),

Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4

planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra.

>

>

>

> This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and

Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you.

>

>

>

> Happy Janmashtami!

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Janmastami ! Today I contacted the magazine office, but the staff there could not give me the contact information of Sri S. G. T. Antarvedi Krishnamacharyulu, the author of the article. The editor of the magazine, Sri Shanmukha Sarma, I understand, is at present away at Delhi, giving lectures on Krishna Tattwa. Next week he'll be back in Hyderabad and I hope to contact him to get the information about the source of the slokas in the article.

 

Visti, you knew that I was never very sure of the chart of Sri krishna, whether it was cast by Raman or Guruji. You know my respect for both of them. But still when it comes to Krishna's chart is that indefinable yet unshruggable sense of some thing missing...some thing amiss. So, my search will continue till....

 

BTW, I wish you understand Telugu, then, you could have heard the lectures of Sri Sarma which are simply fabulous. Such immense knowledge and such magnificent poetic power!! The way he talked about Nataraja. I can still feel the rhythm in my soul. You know, he really transports you to a Land of Light and you come back feeling so enriched. The light sort of stays within you. That's a rare experience.

 

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

|Hare Rama Krsna|Dear Laxmi, NamaskarAnother Krsna was born in the junction between Treta and Dvapara Yuga. To differentiate him from the Vishnu-Avatara-Roopa, they called him Krsna-Dvaipana because he was born on an Island. Today they know him as Sri Vyasa because he divided the Vedas. His birth is given in the Bhavagad Purana or Srimad Bhagavatam.It could be this misunderstanding which has taken place as Krsna was said to have begun the Kali Yuga upon his leaving. Is there any possibility that this mentioned the time of his leaving and not his arrival?The reference to Krsna's birth as given by Guruji and BV Raman is given in the same mentioned Purana. I have been willing to get Garga Samhita which should give some further very fine details regarding Krsna's birth - i saw the samhita in Haridvar, but never got to buy

it unfortunately.Yours, Visti.varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Namaste List,> > > > In the just-received September issue of "Rushipeetham", a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of Lord Sri Krishna was given:> > > > " Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou> > Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute"> > > > Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The planetary

distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam, with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra. > > > > This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you. > > > > Happy Janmashtami!> > > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Lakshmi,

 

In my book I devoted the entire last chapter to the charts of Lords Sri

Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are various evidences from

Vedic shastras regarding Krsna's birth, and many of these were examined

vis a vis birth data supporting vargottama Taurus lagna. For

example, in that chart, 8th lord Jupiter conjoins exalted 5th lord

Mercury in the 5th house, which is equal to the AL. Sanjay's

comment on this is that the Govardhana Lila wherein Indra (Jupiter)

sought to punish the Krsna bhaktas in Vrndavana, is thus

symbolized. By lifting the Govardhana hill, Krsna's fame thereof

became inscribed for an eternity. Another point is that Krsna was

" born " in prison, while shortly thereafter was carried under

cover of night to Vrndavana. You know the reasons for this, as

given in the Srimad Bhagavatam. In the Taurus rising chart, this is

supported by way of 12th lord Mars in debilitation with Rahu, joining

lagna lord Venus in the third house. The rasi drishti of yogakaraka

Saturn demonstrates the intent of King Kamsa to kill Krsna, the reasons

for which He was taken to shelter among the cowherds community of

Vrndavana. Also, a vargottama Mars in Cancer can indicate the fact

that Krsna did not fight in the battle of Kuruksetra (although He alone

was responsible for The Pandava victory), and also he did not fight when

kidnapping Rukmini who wished to become His wife. Finally, Sanjay

had revealed various significant facts about the simultaneous Atmakaraka

and Ishta-devata as given in the Navamsa thus rectified, as well as

quotes from the Puranas regarding what planetary positions should apply

in the charts of Avataras.

 

In the final analysis, Pandits will continue to argue on this chart given

its importance, as well as the dubiousness of birth data almost 5

thousand years old. Ultimately you will see the correct chart after

much sadhana. In the same way that Krsna reveals Himself to Bhaktas

after many lifetimes of Sukriti (pious activity), He also will reveal

Himself in any manner He wishes to a pure devotee, including through the

Jyotish chart.

 

Anyway, if you wish to receive an advance copy of this chapter, let me

know, and I will send it to you. Otherwise, my book will come out

in about two month's time.

 

Take care,

Hare Krsna,

Robert

 

At 04:01 AM 9/6/04 -0700, you wrote:

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Janmastami ! Today I contacted the magazine office, but the staff

there could not give me the contact information of Sri S. G. T. Antarvedi

Krishnamacharyulu, the author of the article. The editor of the magazine,

Sri Shanmukha Sarma, I understand, is at present away at Delhi,

giving lectures on Krishna Tattwa. Next week he'll be back in Hyderabad

and I hope to contact him to get the information about the source of the

slokas in the article.

 

Visti, you knew that I was never very sure of the chart of Sri krishna,

whether it was cast by Raman or Guruji. You know my respect for both of

them. But still when it comes to Krishna's chart is that indefinable yet

unshruggable sense of some thing missing...some thing amiss. So, my

search will continue till....

 

BTW, I wish you understand Telugu, then, you could have heard the

lectures of Sri Sarma which are simply fabulous. Such immense knowledge

and such magnificent poetic power!! The way he talked about Nataraja. I

can still feel the rhythm in my soul. You know, he really transports you

to a Land of Light and you come back feeling so enriched. The light sort

of stays within you. That's a rare experience.

 

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

 

|Hare Rama Krsna|

Dear Laxmi, Namaskar

Another Krsna was born in the junction between Treta and Dvapara Yuga. To differentiate him from the Vishnu-Avatara-Roopa, they called him Krsna-Dvaipana because he was born on an Island. Today they know him as Sri Vyasa because he divided the Vedas. His birth is given in the Bhavagad Purana or Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

It could be this misunderstanding which has taken place as Krsna was said to have begun the Kali Yuga upon his leaving. Is there any possibility that this mentioned the time of his leaving and not his arrival?

 

The reference to Krsna's birth as given by Guruji and BV Raman is given in the same mentioned Purana. I have been willing to get Garga Samhita which should give some further very fine details regarding Krsna's birth - i saw the samhita in Haridvar, but never g! ot to buy it unfortunately.

Yours, Visti.

 

varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > Om Gurave Namah<

> > > > Namaste List,

> > > > In the just-received September issue of

" Rushipeetham " , a monthly magazine on spirituality and culture, published by Sri Saamavedam Shanmukha Sarma, (noted Telugu lyricist-poet and exponent of puranas & vedic literature) the following birth data of

Lord Sri Krishna was given:

> > > > " Dwaparasya kaleh sandhou Shubhakritdvatsare Shubhou

> > Simhamaasesithe pakshehrshtamyaam rohiniyute "

> > > > Lord Sri Krishna was born at the junction of dwapara and

kaliyuga, shubhakrit samvatsara, simhamaasa (when sun was transiting Leo), Krishna paksha ashtami thithiyukta Rohini nakshatra. The pla! netary distribution at that moment was that the ascendant was vrishabha (Taurus), Guru+Chandra in lagna (Taurus), Rahu in 3rd (Cancer), Sun in 4th (Leo), Budha+Shukra in 5th (Virgo), Saturn in 6th (Libra), Mars+Ketu in 9th (Capricorn)….making it a maha yoga jatakam,

with 4 planets exalted and 1 planet in swakshetra. > > > > This chart is different from the ones cast by Sri B V Raman and Guruji. I just thought the information might be of interest to you. > > > > Happy Janmashtami!

> > > > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

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Namaste Robert Ji,

 

It is a great honour indeed to receive a reply from you and let me not waste any more time in expressing my admiration for you and your writings. I would like very much to read your book, Sir, and hope to understand it. For I have neither the depth of your great devotion for Lord Krishna, nor your erudition in related literature or in astrology. So, please treat with indulgence whatever is being said / asked in the following lines as the impertinence of a half-baked soul caught up perhaps in an impossible quest. That’s what Sanjayji does.

 

I always wondered whether the charts were apt enough for a Mahapurusha who was eulogized as “Krishnastu bhagavan swayam” ? Are these charts commensurate with the enigmatic power & personality of the Shodasa Kala Prapoorna ?

 

In this respect, I must confess that Raman’s chart held out more conviction for me than the one given by Sanjayji, or by anyone else, including the latest data that started the current discussion. I mean no disrespect to my Guru. I am saying this only out of the confidence generated by Sanjay’s encouragement. His version of Krishna chart is an outstanding proof of his own continuing personal quest and it is precisely his tutelage that taught me to be a curious cat!! Though not in all matters!

 

Now, coming to Sri Krishna’s chart, there is no dispute at all that He’s born in Vrishabha lagna and Vrishabha rasi. I had already once commented on the exaltation of two extremely mutant /changeable planets Moon and Mercury in His chart. One in lagna and one in Arudha lagna…all Maaya and attraction. Okay, they explain His awesome pull to some extent. But is that all? And I agree with these readings about his 3rd house.

 

Look at His heart. There is no maya there. It is all Satyam and Shivam blazing away there, indicating that the Moon, representing Sundaram, is but a mere reflection of that tremendous inner radiance. Sun represents the Eternal Atma Jyothi, the “Kshetragyna” and Jupiter the guru (Dakshina murthy), giver of that knowledge.. This is the seat of Shiva. This is the origin of the Aksharas, the Gayatri, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavadgita .... Isana sarva vidyaanaam …This is the divine Light that flooded the world on that

particular midnight (4th house). The Light that flowed out of Krishna in the midst of a battle field, in the midst of royal intrigues…If Jupiter were not with Sun or if there is no aspect of Saturn on Jupiter, that kind of permanence or profundity would be well nigh impossible. It is Sun who gives that kind of eternal fame. And there is Gajakesari yoga too spanning the 1st and 4th houses, indicating great fame, which is absent in the other chart. And, if I were to chose the single most important episode in Krishna's life that would confer fame, I would blindly choose the manifestation of Bhagavadgita, rather than lifting of Govardhana giri. All these avatara leelas, of course, led upto the Bhagavadgita, which is the Highest Pinnacle and nothing but Leo can adequtely represent it.

 

Anyway, I always thought lifting of “Govardhana-giri” is more attributable to Saturn (Sri Koorma) in 7th house, Scorpio. Coincidentally, even Hanuman, identified with this sign, is known to have lifted the Sanjeevi Parvatam. Here, what is defeated is not Indra, but the rather the indriyas. I also see Rahu (Varaha moorthy) in trines to Saturn, actively supporting this act. Adisesha, Adi Varaha and Sri koorma are supposed to be bearing the entire weight of the Universe and are responsible for its stability, so Scorpio the 8th sign and yoga karaka Saturn together sum up this extraordinary feat of Sri Krishna. Scorpio also represents the Ashtamurthi aspect of Rudra, the 8 wives of Lord Krishna, who are nothing but the Ashta Lakshmis. Scorpio is also symptomatic of the Ashta siddhis, the mysticism and maya of Sri Krishna, the Yogeshwara. Lifting of govardhana, for me, holds yogic ramifications, and the gain of this can be seen in the exalted Mercury in the 11th from thence, in the eloquent verbalization of Sri Bhagavadgita.

 

I am sorry, Sir, I suddenly realize that I am rambling on…

 

Waiting eagerly for your corrections,

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

"Robert A. Koch" <rk wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi, In my book I devoted the entire last chapter to the charts of Lords Sri Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are various evidences from Vedic shastras regarding Krsna's birth, and many of these were examined vis a vis birth data supporting vargottama Taurus lagna. For example, in that chart, 8th lord Jupiter conjoins exalted 5th lord Mercury in the 5th house, which is equal to the AL. Sanjay's comment on this is that the Govardhana Lila wherein Indra (Jupiter) sought to punish the Krsna bhaktas in Vrndavana, is thus symbolized. By lifting the Govardhana hill, Krsna's fame thereof became inscribed for an eternity. Another point is that Krsna was "born" in prison, while shortly thereafter was carried under cover of night to Vrndavana. You know the reasons for this, as given in the Srimad

Bhagavatam. In the Taurus rising chart, this is supported by way of 12th lord Mars in debilitation with Rahu, joining lagna lord Venus in the third house. The rasi drishti of yogakaraka Saturn demonstrates the intent of King Kamsa to kill Krsna, the reasons for which He was taken to shelter among the cowherds community of Vrndavana. Also, a vargottama Mars in Cancer can indicate the fact that Krsna did not fight in the battle of Kuruksetra (although He alone was responsible for The Pandava victory), and also he did not fight when kidnapping Rukmini who wished to become His wife. Finally, Sanjay had revealed various significant facts about the simultaneous Atmakaraka and Ishta-devata as given in the Navamsa thus rectified, as well as quotes from the Puranas regarding what planetary positions should apply in the charts of Avataras. In the final analysis, Pandits will continue to argue on this chart given its importance, as well as the dubiousness

of birth data almost 5 thousand years old. Ultimately you will see the correct chart after much sadhana. In the same way that Krsna reveals Himself to Bhaktas after many lifetimes of Sukriti (pious activity), He also will reveal Himself in any manner He wishes to a pure devotee, including through the Jyotish chart. Anyway, if you wish to receive an advance copy of this chapter, let me know, and I will send it to you. Otherwise, my book will come out in about two month's time. Take care,Hare Krsna,Robert|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Dear Lakshmi,

 

Namaste. Such an eloquent rambling from you. Superb. I wish you could continue to ramble on a bit more.

 

regards

Harilakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Robert Ji,

 

It is a great honour indeed to receive a reply from you and let me not waste any more time in expressing my admiration for you and your writings. I would like very much to read your book, Sir, and hope to understand it. For I have neither the depth of your great devotion for Lord Krishna, nor your erudition in related literature or in astrology. So, please treat with indulgence whatever is being said / asked in the following lines as the impertinence of a half-baked soul caught up perhaps in an impossible quest. That’s what Sanjayji does.

 

I always wondered whether the charts were apt enough for a Mahapurusha who was eulogized as “Krishnastu bhagavan swayam” ? Are these charts commensurate with the enigmatic power & personality of the Shodasa Kala Prapoorna ?

 

In this respect, I must confess that Raman’s chart held out more conviction for me than the one given by Sanjayji, or by anyone else, including the latest data that started the current discussion. I mean no disrespect to my Guru. I am saying this only out of the confidence generated by Sanjay’s encouragement. His version of Krishna chart is an outstanding proof of his own continuing personal quest and it is precisely his tutelage that taught me to be a curious cat!! Though not in all matters!

 

Now, coming to Sri Krishna’s chart, there is no dispute at all that He’s born in Vrishabha lagna and Vrishabha rasi. I had already once commented on the exaltation of two extremely mutant /changeable planets Moon and Mercury in His chart. One in lagna and one in Arudha lagna…all Maaya and attraction. Okay, they explain His awesome pull to some extent. But is that all? And I agree with these readings about his 3rd house.

 

Look at His heart. There is no maya there. It is all Satyam and Shivam blazing away there, indicating that the Moon, representing Sundaram, is but a mere reflection of that tremendous inner radiance. Sun represents the Eternal Atma Jyothi, the “Kshetragyna” and Jupiter the guru (Dakshina murthy), giver of that knowledge.. This is the seat of Shiva. This is the origin of the Aksharas, the Gayatri, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavadgita .... Isana sarva vidyaanaam …This is the divine Light that flooded the world on that

particular midnight (4th house). The Light that flowed out of Krishna in the midst of a battle field, in the midst of royal intrigues…If Jupiter were not with Sun or if there is no aspect of Saturn on Jupiter, that kind of permanence or profundity would be well nigh impossible. It is Sun who gives that kind of eternal fame. And there is Gajakesari yoga too spanning the 1st and 4th houses, indicating great fame, which is absent in the other chart. And, if I were to chose the single most important episode in Krishna's life that would confer fame, I would blindly choose the manifestation of Bhagavadgita, rather than lifting of Govardhana giri. All these avatara leelas, of course, led upto the Bhagavadgita, which is the Highest Pinnacle and nothing but Leo can adequtely represent it.

 

Anyway, I always thought lifting of “Govardhana-giri” is more attributable to Saturn (Sri Koorma) in 7th house, Scorpio. Coincidentally, even Hanuman, identified with this sign, is known to have lifted the Sanjeevi Parvatam. Here, what is defeated is not Indra, but the rather the indriyas. I also see Rahu (Varaha moorthy) in trines to Saturn, actively supporting this act. Adisesha, Adi Varaha and Sri koorma are supposed to be bearing the entire weight of the Universe and are responsible for its stability, so Scorpio the 8th sign and yoga karaka Saturn together sum up this extraordinary feat of Sri Krishna. Scorpio also represents the Ashtamurthi aspect of Rudra, the 8 wives of Lord Krishna, who are nothing but the Ashta Lakshmis. Scorpio is also symptomatic of the Ashta siddhis, the mysticism and maya of Sri Krishna, the Yogeshwara. Lifting of govardhana, for me, holds yogic ramifications, and the gain of this can be seen in the exalted Mercury in the 11th from thence, in the eloquent verbalization of Sri Bhagavadgita.

 

I am sorry, Sir, I suddenly realize that I am rambling on…

 

Waiting eagerly for your corrections,

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

"Robert A. Koch" <rk wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi, In my book I devoted the entire last chapter to the charts of Lords Sri Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are various evidences from Vedic shastras regarding Krsna's birth, and many of these were examined vis a vis birth data supporting vargottama Taurus lagna. For example, in that chart, 8th lord Jupiter conjoins exalted 5th lord Mercury in the 5th house, which is equal to the AL. Sanjay's comment on this is that the Govardhana Lila wherein Indra (Jupiter) sought to punish the Krsna bhaktas in Vrndavana, is thus symbolized. By lifting the Govardhana hill, Krsna's fame thereof became inscribed for an eternity. Another point is that Krsna was "born" in prison, while shortly thereafter was carried under cover of night to Vrndavana. You know the reasons for this, as given in the Srimad

Bhagavatam. In the Taurus rising chart, this is supported by way of 12th lord Mars in debilitation with Rahu, joining lagna lord Venus in the third house. The rasi drishti of yogakaraka Saturn demonstrates the intent of King Kamsa to kill Krsna, the reasons for which He was taken to shelter among the cowherds community of Vrndavana. Also, a vargottama Mars in Cancer can indicate the fact that Krsna did not fight in the battle of Kuruksetra (although He alone was responsible for The Pandava victory), and also he did not fight when kidnapping Rukmini who wished to become His wife. Finally, Sanjay had revealed various significant facts about the simultaneous Atmakaraka and Ishta-devata as given in the Navamsa thus rectified, as well as quotes from the Puranas regarding what planetary positions should apply in the charts of Avataras. In the final analysis, Pandits will continue to argue on this chart given its importance, as well as the dubiousness

of birth data almost 5 thousand years old. Ultimately you will see the correct chart after much sadhana. In the same way that Krsna reveals Himself to Bhaktas after many lifetimes of Sukriti (pious activity), He also will reveal Himself in any manner He wishes to a pure devotee, including through the Jyotish chart. Anyway, if you wish to receive an advance copy of this chapter, let me know, and I will send it to you. Otherwise, my book will come out in about two month's time. Take care,Hare Krsna,Robert|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Hello Hari!

 

Thanks for the encouragement. You are always a great support.

 

Howz Purushottaman Ji? Please convey my regards to him.

 

Regards,

LakshmiHari M <onlyhari wrote:

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Lakshmi,

 

Namaste. Such an eloquent rambling from you. Superb. I wish you could continue to ramble on a bit more.

 

regards

Harilakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Robert Ji,

 

It is a great honour indeed to receive a reply from you and let me not waste any more time in expressing my admiration for you and your writings. I would like very much to read your book, Sir, and hope to understand it. For I have neither the depth of your great devotion for Lord Krishna, nor your erudition in related literature or in astrology. So, please treat with indulgence whatever is being said / asked in the following lines as the impertinence of a half-baked soul caught up perhaps in an impossible quest. That’s what Sanjayji does.

 

I always wondered whether the charts were apt enough for a Mahapurusha who was eulogized as “Krishnastu bhagavan swayam” ? Are these charts commensurate with the enigmatic power & personality of the Shodasa Kala Prapoorna ?

 

In this respect, I must confess that Raman’s chart held out more conviction for me than the one given by Sanjayji, or by anyone else, including the latest data that started the current discussion. I mean no disrespect to my Guru. I am saying this only out of the confidence generated by Sanjay’s encouragement. His version of Krishna chart is an outstanding proof of his own continuing personal quest and it is precisely his tutelage that taught me to be a curious cat!! Though not in all matters!

 

Now, coming to Sri Krishna’s chart, there is no dispute at all that He’s born in Vrishabha lagna and Vrishabha rasi. I had already once commented on the exaltation of two extremely mutant /changeable planets Moon and Mercury in His chart. One in lagna and one in Arudha lagna…all Maaya and attraction. Okay, they explain His awesome pull to some extent. But is that all? And I agree with these readings about his 3rd house.

 

Look at His heart. There is no maya there. It is all Satyam and Shivam blazing away there, indicating that the Moon, representing Sundaram, is but a mere reflection of that tremendous inner radiance. Sun represents the Eternal Atma Jyothi, the “Kshetragyna” and Jupiter the guru (Dakshina murthy), giver of that knowledge.. This is the seat of Shiva. This is the origin of the Aksharas, the Gayatri, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavadgita .... Isana sarva vidyaanaam …This is the divine Light that flooded the world on that

particular midnight (4th house). The Light that flowed out of Krishna in the midst of a battle field, in the midst of royal intrigues…If Jupiter were not with Sun or if there is no aspect of Saturn on Jupiter, that kind of permanence or profundity would be well nigh impossible. It is Sun who gives that kind of eternal fame. And there is Gajakesari yoga too spanning the 1st and 4th houses, indicating great fame, which is absent in the other chart. And, if I were to chose the single most important episode in Krishna's life that would confer fame, I would blindly choose the manifestation of Bhagavadgita, rather than lifting of Govardhana giri. All these avatara leelas, of course, led upto the Bhagavadgita, which is the Highest Pinnacle and nothing but Leo can adequtely represent it.

 

Anyway, I always thought lifting of “Govardhana-giri” is more attributable to Saturn (Sri Koorma) in 7th house, Scorpio. Coincidentally, even Hanuman, identified with this sign, is known to have lifted the Sanjeevi Parvatam. Here, what is defeated is not Indra, but the rather the indriyas. I also see Rahu (Varaha moorthy) in trines to Saturn, actively supporting this act. Adisesha, Adi Varaha and Sri koorma are supposed to be bearing the entire weight of the Universe and are responsible for its stability, so Scorpio the 8th sign and yoga karaka Saturn together sum up this extraordinary feat of Sri Krishna. Scorpio also represents the Ashtamurthi aspect of Rudra, the 8 wives of Lord Krishna, who are nothing but the Ashta Lakshmis. Scorpio is also symptomatic of the Ashta siddhis, the mysticism and maya of Sri Krishna, the Yogeshwara. Lifting of govardhana, for me, holds yogic ramifications, and the gain of this can be seen in the exalted Mercury in the 11th from thence, in the eloquent verbalization of Sri Bhagavadgita.

 

I am sorry, Sir, I suddenly realize that I am rambling on…

 

Waiting eagerly for your corrections,

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

"Robert A. Koch" <rk wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi, In my book I devoted the entire last chapter to the charts of Lords Sri Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are various evidences from Vedic shastras regarding Krsna's birth, and many of these were examined vis a vis birth data supporting vargottama Taurus lagna. For example, in that chart, 8th lord Jupiter conjoins exalted 5th lord Mercury in the 5th house, which is equal to the AL. Sanjay's comment on this is that the Govardhana Lila wherein Indra (Jupiter) sought to punish the Krsna bhaktas in Vrndavana, is thus symbolized. By lifting the Govardhana hill, Krsna's fame thereof became inscribed for an eternity. Another point is that Krsna was "born" in prison, while shortly thereafter was carried under cover of night to Vrndavana. You know the reasons for this, as given in the Srimad

Bhagavatam. In the Taurus rising chart, this is supported by way of 12th lord Mars in debilitation with Rahu, joining lagna lord Venus in the third house. The rasi drishti of yogakaraka Saturn demonstrates the intent of King Kamsa to kill Krsna, the reasons for which He was taken to shelter among the cowherds community of Vrndavana. Also, a vargottama Mars in Cancer can indicate the fact that Krsna did not fight in the battle of Kuruksetra (although He alone was responsible for The Pandava victory), and also he did not fight when kidnapping Rukmini who wished to become His wife. Finally, Sanjay had revealed various significant facts about the simultaneous Atmakaraka and Ishta-devata as given in the Navamsa thus rectified, as well as quotes from the Puranas regarding what planetary positions should apply in the charts of Avataras. In the final analysis, Pandits will continue to argue on this chart given its importance, as well as the dubiousness

of birth data almost 5 thousand years old. Ultimately you will see the correct chart after much sadhana. In the same way that Krsna reveals Himself to Bhaktas after many lifetimes of Sukriti (pious activity), He also will reveal Himself in any manner He wishes to a pure devotee, including through the Jyotish chart. Anyway, if you wish to receive an advance copy of this chapter, let me know, and I will send it to you. Otherwise, my book will come out in about two month's time. Take care,Hare Krsna,Robert|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Lakshmi lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

Hello Hari!

 

Thanks for the encouragement. You are always a great support.

 

Howz Purushottaman Ji? Please convey my regards to him.

 

Regards,

LakshmiHari M <onlyhari wrote:

 

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Lakshmi,

 

Namaste. Such an eloquent rambling from you. Superb. I wish you could continue to ramble on a bit more.

 

regards

Harilakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Robert Ji,

 

It is a great honour indeed to receive a reply from you and let me not waste any more time in expressing my admiration for you and your writings. I would like very much to read your book, Sir, and hope to understand it. For I have neither the depth of your great devotion for Lord Krishna, nor your erudition in related literature or in astrology. So, please treat with indulgence whatever is being said / asked in the following lines as the impertinence of a half-baked soul caught up perhaps in an impossible quest. That’s what Sanjayji does.

 

I always wondered whether the charts were apt enough for a Mahapurusha who was eulogized as “Krishnastu bhagavan swayam” ? Are these charts commensurate with the enigmatic power & personality of the Shodasa Kala Prapoorna ?

 

In this respect, I must confess that Raman’s chart held out more conviction for me than the one given by Sanjayji, or by anyone else, including the latest data that started the current discussion. I mean no disrespect to my Guru. I am saying this only out of the confidence generated by Sanjay’s encouragement. His version of Krishna chart is an outstanding proof of his own continuing personal quest and it is precisely his tutelage that taught me to be a curious cat!! Though not in all matters!

 

Now, coming to Sri Krishna’s chart, there is no dispute at all that He’s born in Vrishabha lagna and Vrishabha rasi. I had already once commented on the exaltation of two extremely mutant /changeable planets Moon and Mercury in His chart. One in lagna and one in Arudha lagna…all Maaya and attraction. Okay, they explain His awesome pull to some extent. But is that all? And I agree with these readings about his 3rd house.

 

Look at His heart. There is no maya there. It is all Satyam and Shivam blazing away there, indicating that the Moon, representing Sundaram, is but a mere reflection of that tremendous inner radiance. Sun represents the Eternal Atma Jyothi, the “Kshetragyna” and Jupiter the guru (Dakshina murthy), giver of that knowledge.. This is the seat of Shiva. This is the origin of the Aksharas, the Gayatri, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Bhagavadgita .... Isana sarva vidyaanaam …This is the divine Light that flooded the world on that

particular midnight (4th house). The Light that flowed out of Krishna in the midst of a battle field, in the midst of royal intrigues…If Jupiter were not with Sun or if there is no aspect of Saturn on Jupiter, that kind of permanence or profundity would be well nigh impossible. It is Sun who gives that kind of eternal fame. And there is Gajakesari yoga too spanning the 1st and 4th houses, indicating great fame, which is absent in the other chart. And, if I were to chose the single most important episode in Krishna's life that would confer fame, I would blindly choose the manifestation of Bhagavadgita, rather than lifting of Govardhana giri. All these avatara leelas, of course, led upto the Bhagavadgita, which is the Highest Pinnacle and nothing but Leo can adequtely represent it.

 

Anyway, I always thought lifting of “Govardhana-giri” is more attributable to Saturn (Sri Koorma) in 7th house, Scorpio. Coincidentally, even Hanuman, identified with this sign, is known to have lifted the Sanjeevi Parvatam. Here, what is defeated is not Indra, but the rather the indriyas. I also see Rahu (Varaha moorthy) in trines to Saturn, actively supporting this act. Adisesha, Adi Varaha and Sri koorma are supposed to be bearing the entire weight of the Universe and are responsible for its stability, so Scorpio the 8th sign and yoga karaka Saturn together sum up this extraordinary feat of Sri Krishna. Scorpio also represents the Ashtamurthi aspect of Rudra, the 8 wives of Lord Krishna, who are nothing but the Ashta Lakshmis. Scorpio is also symptomatic of the Ashta siddhis, the mysticism and maya of Sri Krishna, the Yogeshwara. Lifting of govardhana, for me, holds yogic ramifications, and the gain of this can be seen in the exalted Mercury in the 11th from thence, in the eloquent verbalization of Sri Bhagavadgita.

 

I am sorry, Sir, I suddenly realize that I am rambling on…

 

Waiting eagerly for your corrections,

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

"Robert A. Koch" <rk wrote:

Jaya JagannathaDear Lakshmi, In my book I devoted the entire last chapter to the charts of Lords Sri Krsna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. There are various evidences from Vedic shastras regarding Krsna's birth, and many of these were examined vis a vis birth data supporting vargottama Taurus lagna. For example, in that chart, 8th lord Jupiter conjoins exalted 5th lord Mercury in the 5th house, which is equal to the AL. Sanjay's comment on this is that the Govardhana Lila wherein Indra (Jupiter) sought to punish the Krsna bhaktas in Vrndavana, is thus symbolized. By lifting the Govardhana hill, Krsna's fame thereof became inscribed for an eternity. Another point is that Krsna was "born" in prison, while shortly thereafter was carried under cover of night to Vrndavana. You know the reasons for this, as given in the Srimad

Bhagavatam. In the Taurus rising chart, this is supported by way of 12th lord Mars in debilitation with Rahu, joining lagna lord Venus in the third house. The rasi drishti of yogakaraka Saturn demonstrates the intent of King Kamsa to kill Krsna, the reasons for which He was taken to shelter among the cowherds community of Vrndavana. Also, a vargottama Mars in Cancer can indicate the fact that Krsna did not fight in the battle of Kuruksetra (although He alone was responsible for The Pandava victory), and also he did not fight when kidnapping Rukmini who wished to become His wife. Finally, Sanjay had revealed various significant facts about the simultaneous Atmakaraka and Ishta-devata as given in the Navamsa thus rectified, as well as quotes from the Puranas regarding what planetary positions should apply in the charts of Avataras. In the final analysis, Pandits will continue to argue on this chart given its importance, as well as the dubiousness

of birth data almost 5 thousand years old. Ultimately you will see the correct chart after much sadhana. In the same way that Krsna reveals Himself to Bhaktas after many lifetimes of Sukriti (pious activity), He also will reveal Himself in any manner He wishes to a pure devotee, including through the Jyotish chart. Anyway, if you wish to receive an advance copy of this chapter, let me know, and I will send it to you. Otherwise, my book will come out in about two month's time. Take care,Hare Krsna,Robert|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

 

 

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Hare Rama Krsna!

 

I'd like to ask, does anybody know what ayanamsa would have been in use at

the time of Krsna's appearance? Should it be at 0°Taurus, or anything

else? What ayanamsa denotes the start of Kali Yuga?

 

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