Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Hi Ram, I know Chandrashekharji looks at transits from both Lagna and Moon quite regularly. Your mail prompts me to go into some of my notes which reveal that Malefic transit over Janma rashi causes mental worries and depression whereas the same over Lagna affects vitality and over paka lagna affects physical self. I understand the Transits over arudhapadas also affect the significations of the house and these padas are calculated with lagna as the reference point! I am glad you have raised the point as I would love to learn more about it too. Best Regards Ramesh Ramapriya D [hubli]Monday, September 06, 2004 6:40 AMvarahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 Dear Ramapriya, I have always given more weightage to Gochar wrt Lagna than Moon with fairly good results. As to why the reckoning is from Moon, if I can hazard a guess, it perhaps has to do with the times in which the Shastra was born. This was the time that Aryas were migrating to far off lands and not all were literate enough to understand and remember the position of planets in their horoscope.It has always been my firm belief that the system of what is known as Janma Nama, based on birth in a particular Nakshtra charana, was a method of reckoning a Jataka's Chandra Rasi, even if he did not know about his own chart. This must have made it possible to predict sans the horoscope on the basis of transit. This may also been the reason that certain parameters were developed with Chandra Rasi as the reference point for making transit based prediction. If you remember, in BPHS Ashtakavarga are given by the Sage Parashara in response to a query from Maitreya to delineate a system of prediction based on transits only. Of course others more learned than me might have a different view on the subject. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Ramapriya D wrote: Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 JAI GURUDEV Dear Chandrashekar and Ramapriya, The explanation and reason quoted are very pertinent and convincing. I might have a second opinion too. If my observation is right, many a astrologers consciously take Moon star as reference for not only transit forecast delineation but for arriving at general prediction as well with high degree of success. Moon being representative of mental composer and its status, it might me imperative to stress much on that. After all, out of transit of planets what a laymen needs to know is their comfort and happiness which is more related to Manas. In Dhruva nadi, sage recommends to ascertain stronger of the Lagna and Moon star and take it as Birth star. A lot rational can be realised in this theory. Though for the sake of simplicity and might be coupled with little ignorance people refer transit wrt Moon position only, yet an element would exist at least for 50% of charts. In one of the translation of BPHS, I have read that, the maharishis have adviced to count the houses from Lagna, from Moon and from Sun at the age barriers of 0-18 years, 18-36 years and 36 to further respectively. This again opens up very interest methodology which is lucidly explicable. Even working taking Moon sign at par with position of AL are also prevailing. More opinions can make clearer the idea. Regards and respect. Mohan hegde. ---- varahamihira Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:57:16 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Ramapriya,I have always given more weightage to Gochar wrt Lagna than Moon with fairly good results. As to why the reckoning is from Moon, if I can hazard a guess, it perhaps has to do with the times in which the Shastra was born. This was the time that Aryas were migrating to far off lands and not all were literate enough to understand and remember the position of planets in their horoscope.It has always been my firm belief that the system of what is known as Janma Nama, based on birth in a particular Nakshtra charana, was a method of reckoning a Jataka's Chandra Rasi, even if he did not know about his own chart. This must have made it possible to predict sans the horoscope on the basis of transit. This may also been the reason that certain parameters were developed with Chandra Rasi as the reference point for making transit based prediction. If you remember, in BPHS Ashtakavarga are given by the Sage Parashara in response to a query from Maitreya to delineate a system of prediction based on transits only.Of course others more learned than me might have a different view on the subject.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramapriya D wrote: Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Dear Mohan, Nice to see your mail after a long time. If my memory serves me right, Sages have advised to look at strongest of Sun, Lagna and Moon for analyzing a chart. This is also advised in case of casting Vimshottary dasha. So one can certainly do this. I rely on Moon based Dashas since, One, I am more comfortable with their interpretation and also because Moon has no enemies. The last makes it easier to interpret them. In case of Sun and Lagna the Dasha lord's relation with them will have to be factored in to come to a near reliable prediction. Of course as I said earlier, others more learned than me might hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. Anmohiey wrote: JAI GURUDEV Dear Chandrashekar and Ramapriya, The explanation and reason quoted are very pertinent and convincing. I might have a second opinion too. If my observation is right, many a astrologers consciously take Moon star as reference for not only transit forecast delineation but for arriving at general prediction as well with high degree of success. Moon being representative of mental composer and its status, it might me imperative to stress much on that. After all, out of transit of planets what a laymen needs to know is their comfort and happiness which is more related to Manas. In Dhruva nadi, sage recommends to ascertain stronger of the Lagna and Moon star and take it as Birth star. A lot rational can be realised in this theory. Though for the sake of simplicity and might be coupled with little ignorance people refer transit wrt Moon position only, yet an element would exist at least for 50% of charts. In one of the translation of BPHS, I have read that, the maharishis have adviced to count the houses from Lagna, from Moon and from Sun at the age barriers of 0-18 years, 18-36 years and 36 to further respectively. This again opens up very interest methodology which is lucidly explicable. Even working taking Moon sign at par with position of AL are also prevailing. More opinions can make clearer the idea. Regards and respect. Mohan hegde. -------Original Message------- varahamihira Date: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:57:16 AM varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Ramapriya, I have always given more weightage to Gochar wrt Lagna than Moon with fairly good results. As to why the reckoning is from Moon, if I can hazard a guess, it perhaps has to do with the times in which the Shastra was born. This was the time that Aryas were migrating to far off lands and not all were literate enough to understand and remember the position of planets in their horoscope.It has always been my firm belief that the system of what is known as Janma Nama, based on birth in a particular Nakshtra charana, was a method of reckoning a Jataka's Chandra Rasi, even if he did not know about his own chart. This must have made it possible to predict sans the horoscope on the basis of transit. This may also been the reason that certain parameters were developed with Chandra Rasi as the reference point for making transit based prediction. If you remember, in BPHS Ashtakavarga are given by the Sage Parashara in response to a query from Maitreya to delineate a system of prediction based on transits only. Of course others more learned than me might have a different view on the subject. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Ramapriya D wrote: Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Dear Chandrashekhar, Thanks for remembering me. Sorry, I made a mistake in the last mail. What I exactly read in the translation of BPHS was, Lagna should be considered as 1st house for any native between age group of 0 and 32 years; Moon sign to be taken as 1st house for the age group 33 to 64 years and Sun sign as 1st house for further older persons. Of course still I have not either practiced or experimented much on this principle. Rationale seems to quite sound though. As far as Dasha system is concerned, I have a personal feeling, Sage Satyacharya's advises are quite effective. that is, it should be reckoned from the star of Lagna or Moon which ever is stronger. Hope you can illuminate more on my little doubt in this regard. Moon's strength can be taken from shadbala calculations. For taking strength of Lagna, I could not find definite reference. Is it not much in practice to ascertain shadbala strength of Lord of Lagna for comparison purposes? Usually I have observed, when in any chart Moon stands heavily afflicted and weak, even though it garners more Shadbala strength than that of Lagna lord, still Dasa calculated from Lagna lord found to be more result oriented. I might be wrong here. Regards, Mohan Hegde. ---- varahamihira Friday, September 10, 2004 02:29:18 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Mohan,Nice to see your mail after a long time. If my memory serves me right, Sages have advised to look at strongest of Sun, Lagna and Moon for analyzing a chart. This is also advised in case of casting Vimshottary dasha. So one can certainly do this. I rely on Moon based Dashas since, One, I am more comfortable with their interpretation and also because Moon has no enemies. The last makes it easier to interpret them. In case of Sun and Lagna the Dasha lord's relation with them will have to be factored in to come to a near reliable prediction. Of course as I said earlier, others more learned than me might hold a different view.Chandrashekhar.Anmohiey wrote: JAI GURUDEV Dear Chandrashekar and Ramapriya, The explanation and reason quoted are very pertinent and convincing. I might have a second opinion too. If my observation is right, many a astrologers consciously take Moon star as reference for not only transit forecast delineation but for arriving at general prediction as well with high degree of success. Moon being representative of mental composer and its status, it might me imperative to stress much on that. After all, out of transit of planets what a laymen needs to know is their comfort and happiness which is more related to Manas. In Dhruva nadi, sage recommends to ascertain stronger of the Lagna and Moon star and take it as Birth star. A lot rational can be realised in this theory. Though for the sake of simplicity and might be coupled with little ignorance people refer transit wrt Moon position only, yet an element would exist at least for 50% of charts. In one of the translation of BPHS, I have read that, the maharishis have adviced to count the houses from Lagna, from Moon and from Sun at the age barriers of 0-18 years, 18-36 years and 36 to further respectively. This again opens up very interest methodology which is lucidly explicable. Even working taking Moon sign at par with position of AL are also prevailing. More opinions can make clearer the idea. Regards and respect. Mohan hegde. ---- varahamihira Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:57:16 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Ramapriya,I have always given more weightage to Gochar wrt Lagna than Moon with fairly good results. As to why the reckoning is from Moon, if I can hazard a guess, it perhaps has to do with the times in which the Shastra was born. This was the time that Aryas were migrating to far off lands and not all were literate enough to understand and remember the position of planets in their horoscope.It has always been my firm belief that the system of what is known as Janma Nama, based on birth in a particular Nakshtra charana, was a method of reckoning a Jataka's Chandra Rasi, even if he did not know about his own chart. This must have made it possible to predict sans the horoscope on the basis of transit. This may also been the reason that certain parameters were developed with Chandra Rasi as the reference point for making transit based prediction. If you remember, in BPHS Ashtakavarga are given by the Sage Parashara in response to a query from Maitreya to delineate a system of prediction based on transits only.Of course others more learned than me might have a different view on the subject.Regards,Chandrashekhar.Ramapriya D wrote: Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Dear Mohan, Lagna strength has to be calculated from the Lagna Lord's strength, as you rightly said. When Bhavesh is strong Bhava becomes strong. Aspects and placement of planets in Lagna and their relation with Lagna lord will also have to be considered when deciding strength of Lagna.. Sun and Moon are said to be initiator and fructifier of yoga so taking strongest of the three is the dictum given. In Chandra's case one has to look at strength of Moon and Karka Rasi too. Pakshabala has also to be taken into consideration. Since dasha are used to find when a yoga is likely to fructify, I personally prefer using Moon as reference point. Chandrashekhar. Anmohiey wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Thanks for remembering me. Sorry, I made a mistake in the last mail. What I exactly read in the translation of BPHS was, Lagna should be considered as 1st house for any native between age group of 0 and 32 years; Moon sign to be taken as 1st house for the age group 33 to 64 years and Sun sign as 1st house for further older persons. Of course still I have not either practiced or experimented much on this principle. Rationale seems to quite sound though. As far as Dasha system is concerned, I have a personal feeling, Sage Satyacharya's advises are quite effective. that is, it should be reckoned from the star of Lagna or Moon which ever is stronger. Hope you can illuminate more on my little doubt in this regard. Moon's strength can be taken from shadbala calculations. For taking strength of Lagna, I could not find definite reference. Is it not much in practice to ascertain shadbala strength of Lord of Lagna for comparison purposes? Usually I have observed, when in any chart Moon stands heavily afflicted and weak, even though it garners more Shadbala strength than that of Lagna lord, still Dasa calculated from Lagna lord found to be more result oriented. I might be wrong here. Regards, Mohan Hegde. -------Original Message------- varahamihira Date: Friday, September 10, 2004 02:29:18 AM varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Mohan, Nice to see your mail after a long time. If my memory serves me right, Sages have advised to look at strongest of Sun, Lagna and Moon for analyzing a chart. This is also advised in case of casting Vimshottary dasha. So one can certainly do this. I rely on Moon based Dashas since, One, I am more comfortable with their interpretation and also because Moon has no enemies. The last makes it easier to interpret them. In case of Sun and Lagna the Dasha lord's relation with them will have to be factored in to come to a near reliable prediction. Of course as I said earlier, others more learned than me might hold a different view. Chandrashekhar. Anmohiey wrote: JAI GURUDEV Dear Chandrashekar and Ramapriya, The explanation and reason quoted are very pertinent and convincing. I might have a second opinion too. If my observation is right, many a astrologers consciously take Moon star as reference for not only transit forecast delineation but for arriving at general prediction as well with high degree of success. Moon being representative of mental composer and its status, it might me imperative to stress much on that. After all, out of transit of planets what a laymen needs to know is their comfort and happiness which is more related to Manas. In Dhruva nadi, sage recommends to ascertain stronger of the Lagna and Moon star and take it as Birth star. A lot rational can be realised in this theory. Though for the sake of simplicity and might be coupled with little ignorance people refer transit wrt Moon position only, yet an element would exist at least for 50% of charts. In one of the translation of BPHS, I have read that, the maharishis have adviced to count the houses from Lagna, from Moon and from Sun at the age barriers of 0-18 years, 18-36 years and 36 to further respectively. This again opens up very interest methodology which is lucidly explicable. Even working taking Moon sign at par with position of AL are also prevailing. More opinions can make clearer the idea. Regards and respect. Mohan hegde. -------Original Message------- varahamihira Date: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:57:16 AM To: varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| An elementary gochara Q Dear Ramapriya, I have always given more weightage to Gochar wrt Lagna than Moon with fairly good results. As to why the reckoning is from Moon, if I can hazard a guess, it perhaps has to do with the times in which the Shastra was born. This was the time that Aryas were migrating to far off lands and not all were literate enough to understand and remember the position of planets in their horoscope.It has always been my firm belief that the system of what is known as Janma Nama, based on birth in a particular Nakshtra charana, was a method of reckoning a Jataka's Chandra Rasi, even if he did not know about his own chart. This must have made it possible to predict sans the horoscope on the basis of transit. This may also been the reason that certain parameters were developed with Chandra Rasi as the reference point for making transit based prediction. If you remember, in BPHS Ashtakavarga are given by the Sage Parashara in response to a query from Maitreya to delineate a system of prediction based on transits only. Of course others more learned than me might have a different view on the subject. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Ramapriya D wrote: Dear gurus, Why is that the effect of planetary transits is only reckoned vis-a-vis the natal Moon and not the natal lagna? Can someone help? Cheers, Ramapriya hubli PS: Sorry for cross-posting, but this Q didn't elicit any replies on . Expecting better luck here |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira __ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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