Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Chandrashekarji, Let me just show some calculation I did. The 23:42:34 is in just a modern notation of time. That need not coincide with 24:00:00 or 00:00:00 for midnight. To convert into traditional time he was born 46.9310 Ghatika's from Sun rise. Using the given chart for that day, Sunrise: 4:56:13 (4.93) Sunset: 18:50:43 (18.8452) Day Duration(Dina Maana) = 13.91 Hrs = 13:54:36 Night Duration(Ratri Maana) = 10.09 Hrs = 10:05:24 Midnight = sunset + half night = 18:50:43 + 5.02:42 = 23:53:25 so in modern notation the midnight was at 23:53:25 and Krishna's Janma was at 23:42:34 So just off by 10 mins or from midnight. I am sure when Vyasa mentioned in Bhagavatam he must have rounded it off. Warm Regards Sanjay P Sree Krishna Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: 23:42:34 Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00 " , 27 N 25' 00 " Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.27% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left) Yoga: Harshana (Su) Karana: Balava (Mo) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Pi) Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 4:56:13 Sunset: 18:50:43 Janma Ghatis: 46.9310 Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39 Sidereal Time: 17:48:14 varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Robert, > Lord Krishna is said to be born at Midnight. Why then take the time to > be 23.42.34? > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Robert A. Koch wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha, > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Visti, et al - > > > > Namaskara - > > > > In my last email I neglected to give the data that I used in my book > > for Sri Krsna. This was approved by Sanjay last year at the Sunnyvale > > conference: > > > > * First, He descended during the cyclic Vedic year of Srimukha/, > > /during the lunar month of Sravana/. /This specifically > > occurred during the 28^th Maha-yuga/ /during/ /the reign of the > > 7^th Manvantara, namely Vaivasvata Manu. > > > > * The birth was during the Krishna Ashtami tithi (8^th lunar day > > of the waning moon cycle), when the Moon was in the > > constellation of Rohini. His appearance, according to > > scriptures, was at midnight, or very close to it. > > > > >From this, and additional evidences given by B.V. Raman and others, > > the following data is acceptable: > > > > June 23, -3227 > > 23:42:34 (5:10 East) > > 77E41 27N25 > > > > Lagna: 14:07 Taurus > > > > Best wishes, > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > Robert > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > Faculty member, SJC > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com <http://www.robertkoch.com/>> > > Email: rk@r... > > Ph: 541.318.0248 > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 OM Brihaspataaye Namah Namaste Sanjay, Thankyou so much for this! It is so easy to get caught in 'our' world, our own perceptions of time. Your mail is a good reminder of what place we should be coming from.Thankyou. Best Regards Rosemary - <sanjayp <varahamihira > Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:39 AM |Sri Varaha| Re: Sri Krishna Jataka - part two > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > Let me just show some calculation I did. > > The 23:42:34 is in just a modern notation of time. That need not > coincide with 24:00:00 or 00:00:00 for midnight. > > To convert into traditional time he was born 46.9310 Ghatika's from > Sun rise. > > Using the given chart for that day, > > Sunrise: 4:56:13 (4.93) > Sunset: 18:50:43 (18.8452) > > Day Duration(Dina Maana) = 13.91 Hrs = 13:54:36 > Night Duration(Ratri Maana) = 10.09 Hrs = 10:05:24 > Midnight = sunset + half night = 18:50:43 + 5.02:42 = 23:53:25 > > so in modern notation the midnight was at 23:53:25 > and Krishna's Janma was at 23:42:34 > So just off by 10 mins or from midnight. I am sure when Vyasa > mentioned in Bhagavatam he must have rounded it off. > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > > > > Sree Krishna > > Natal Chart > > June 23, -3227 > Time: 23:42:34 > Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 41' 00 " , 27 N 25' 00 " > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.27% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left) > Yoga: Harshana (Su) > Karana: Balava (Mo) > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Pi) > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp) > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars) > > Sunrise: 4:56:13 > Sunset: 18:50:43 > Janma Ghatis: 46.9310 > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39 > Sidereal Time: 17:48:14 > > > > varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > wrote: > > Dear Robert, > > Lord Krishna is said to be born at Midnight. Why then take the time > to > > be 23.42.34? > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > Robert A. Koch wrote: > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha, > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Visti, et al - > > > > > > Namaskara - > > > > > > In my last email I neglected to give the data that I used in my > book > > > for Sri Krsna. This was approved by Sanjay last year at the > Sunnyvale > > > conference: > > > > > > * First, He descended during the cyclic Vedic year of > Srimukha/, > > > /during the lunar month of Sravana/. /This specifically > > > occurred during the 28^th Maha-yuga/ /during/ /the reign of > the > > > 7^th Manvantara, namely Vaivasvata Manu. > > > > > > * The birth was during the Krishna Ashtami tithi (8^th lunar > day > > > of the waning moon cycle), when the Moon was in the > > > constellation of Rohini. His appearance, according to > > > scriptures, was at midnight, or very close to it. > > > > > > >From this, and additional evidences given by B.V. Raman and > others, > > > the following data is acceptable: > > > > > > June 23, -3227 > > > 23:42:34 (5:10 East) > > > 77E41 27N25 > > > > > > Lagna: 14:07 Taurus > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > > Robert > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > > Faculty member, SJC > > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com <http://www.robertkoch.com/>> > > > Email: rk@r... > > > Ph: 541.318.0248 > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Rosemary and Hari, At 08:15 PM 9/7/04 +1200, you wrote: Dear Hari, I entered Roberts data in Shri jyoti Star but get a lagna of 9 47 Aries........cannot understand why! What ayanamsa are we using? Kind regards Rosemary Most Jyotish programs, except for JHora, do not have Ephemeris data going back as far as the year - 3227. The most recent version of JHora (6.0) should have it, although older versions do not. Thus with such versions, the computer will crash trying to enter Sri Krsna's data, as experienced by Hari. Get the new upgrade to JHora (6.0), and you should be able to get these calculations. Anyway, here is the chart and planetary positions that I get entering the data given previously: Sri Krsna Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: 23:42:35 Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00 " , 27 N 25' 00 " Altitude: 425.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.26% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left) Yoga: Harshana (Su) Karana: Balava (Mo) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq) Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 4:59:51 Sunset: 18:47:04 Janma Ghatis: 46.7805 Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39 Sidereal Time: 17:48:15 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 14 Ta 07' 09.69 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta Sun - AK 18 Le 08' 22.04 " PPha 2 Le Vi Moon - BK 16 Ta 11' 15.59 " Rohi 2 Ta Ta Mars - PK 3 Cn 12' 00.89 " Puna 4 Cn Cn Mercury - GK 1 Vi 49' 04.70 " UPha 2 Vi Cp Jupiter - DK 1 Vi 22' 08.88 " UPha 2 Vi Cp Venus - PiK 15 Cn 23' 43.12 " Push 4 Cn Sc Saturn - AmK 17 Sc 02' 47.38 " Jye 1 Sc Sg Rahu - MK 14 Cn 32' 44.60 " Push 4 Cn Sc Ketu 14 Cp 32' 44.60 " Srav 2 Cp Ta Maandi 27 Ge 23' 40.21 " Puna 3 Ge Ge Gulika 14 Ge 53' 19.64 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Uranus 8 Sc 16' 06.00 " Anu 2 Sc Vi Neptune ® 23 Ar 31' 42.44 " Bhar 4 Ar Sc Pluto 6 Le 53' 39.03 " Makh 3 Le Ge Bhava Lagna 28 Ta 03' 39.07 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi Hora Lagna 8 Pi 44' 37.69 " UBha 2 Pi Vi Ghati Lagna 10 Cn 47' 33.55 " Push 3 Cn Li Vighati Lagna 21 Pi 02' 12.82 " Reva 2 Pi Cp Varnada Lagna 22 Ar 51' 47.38 " Bhar 3 Ar Li Sree Lagna 1 Sc 11' 10.53 " Visa 4 Sc Cn Pranapada Lagna 21 Sc 47' 54.41 " Jye 2 Sc Cp Indu Lagna 16 Ge 11' 15.59 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq Dhooma 1 Cp 28' 22.04 " USha 2 Cp Cp Vyatipata 28 Ge 31' 37.96 " Puna 3 Ge Ge Parivesha 28 Sg 31' 37.96 " USha 1 Sg Sg Indra Chapa 1 Cn 28' 22.04 " Puna 4 Cn Cn Upaketu 18 Cn 08' 22.04 " Asre 1 Cn Sg Kaala 9 Le 23' 20.16 " Makh 3 Le Ge Mrityu 16 Pi 21' 44.69 " UBha 4 Pi Sc Artha Prahara 8 Ar 47' 02.80 " Aswi 3 Ar Ge Yama Ghantaka 4 Ta 27' 09.48 " Krit 3 Ta Aq Prana Sphuta 25 Cp 29' 08.08 " Dhan 1 Cp Le Deha Sphuta 24 Ge 23' 24.34 " Puna 2 Ge Ta Mrityu Sphuta 2 Aq 21' 39.54 " Dhan 3 Aq Li Trisphuta 22 Aq 14' 11.96 " PBha 1 Aq Ar Best wishes, Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty member, SJC visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> Email: rk Ph: 541.318.0248 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Om Brihaspataaye Namah Dear Robert, Thankyou for this. I shall try JHora, I have the upgrade 6. Shri Jyoti Star has been used for research analysis accurate to + or - 5000 years, thats why I got it. Geoffery Pearce used it for his 300 chart analysis of Saturn /Jupiter conjunctions showing the movements in civilisations, every 900 year span. My settings must be wrong somehow. May I ask What ayanamsa are you using ? Thankyou for all these details. Kind regards, Rosemary - Robert A. Koch varahamihira Wednesday, September 08, 2004 6:50 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Sri Krishna Jataka - part two Om Gurave NamahNamaste Rosemary and Hari, At 08:15 PM 9/7/04 +1200, you wrote: Dear Hari,I entered Roberts data in Shri jyoti Star but get a lagna of 9 47 Aries........cannot understand why!What ayanamsa are we using? Kind regardsRosemaryMost Jyotish programs, except for JHora, do not have Ephemeris data going back as far as the year - 3227. The most recent version of JHora (6.0) should have it, although older versions do not. Thus with such versions, the computer will crash trying to enter Sri Krsna's data, as experienced by Hari. Get the new upgrade to JHora (6.0), and you should be able to get these calculations. Anyway, here is the chart and planetary positions that I get entering the data given previously: Sri KrsnaNatal Chart June 23, -3227Time: 23:42:35Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT)Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 N 25' 00" Altitude: 425.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - SravanaTithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.26% left)Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left)Yoga: Harshana (Su)Karana: Balava (Mo)Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Aq)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp)Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars)Sunrise: 4:59:51Sunset: 18:47:04Janma Ghatis: 46.7805Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39Sidereal Time: 17:48:15Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 14 Ta 07' 09.69" Rohi 2 Ta TaSun - AK 18 Le 08' 22.04" PPha 2 Le ViMoon - BK 16 Ta 11' 15.59" Rohi 2 Ta TaMars - PK 3 Cn 12' 00.89" Puna 4 Cn CnMercury - GK 1 Vi 49' 04.70" UPha 2 Vi CpJupiter - DK 1 Vi 22' 08.88" UPha 2 Vi CpVenus - PiK 15 Cn 23' 43.12" Push 4 Cn ScSaturn - AmK 17 Sc 02' 47.38" Jye 1 Sc SgRahu - MK 14 Cn 32' 44.60" Push 4 Cn ScKetu 14 Cp 32' 44.60" Srav 2 Cp TaMaandi 27 Ge 23' 40.21" Puna 3 Ge GeGulika 14 Ge 53' 19.64" Ardr 3 Ge AqUranus 8 Sc 16' 06.00" Anu 2 Sc ViNeptune ® 23 Ar 31' 42.44" Bhar 4 Ar ScPluto 6 Le 53' 39.03" Makh 3 Le GeBhava Lagna 28 Ta 03' 39.07" Mrig 2 Ta ViHora Lagna 8 Pi 44' 37.69" UBha 2 Pi ViGhati Lagna 10 Cn 47' 33.55" Push 3 Cn LiVighati Lagna 21 Pi 02' 12.82" Reva 2 Pi CpVarnada Lagna 22 Ar 51' 47.38" Bhar 3 Ar LiSree Lagna 1 Sc 11' 10.53" Visa 4 Sc CnPranapada Lagna 21 Sc 47' 54.41" Jye 2 Sc CpIndu Lagna 16 Ge 11' 15.59" Ardr 3 Ge AqDhooma 1 Cp 28' 22.04" USha 2 Cp CpVyatipata 28 Ge 31' 37.96" Puna 3 Ge GeParivesha 28 Sg 31' 37.96" USha 1 Sg SgIndra Chapa 1 Cn 28' 22.04" Puna 4 Cn CnUpaketu 18 Cn 08' 22.04" Asre 1 Cn SgKaala 9 Le 23' 20.16" Makh 3 Le GeMrityu 16 Pi 21' 44.69" UBha 4 Pi ScArtha Prahara 8 Ar 47' 02.80" Aswi 3 Ar GeYama Ghantaka 4 Ta 27' 09.48" Krit 3 Ta AqPrana Sphuta 25 Cp 29' 08.08" Dhan 1 Cp LeDeha Sphuta 24 Ge 23' 24.34" Puna 2 Ge TaMrityu Sphuta 2 Aq 21' 39.54" Dhan 3 Aq LiTrisphuta 22 Aq 14' 11.96" PBha 1 Aq ArBest wishes,Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty member, SJC visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> Email: rk Ph: 541.318.0248|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Dear Sanjayp, I am certain you must have calculated right. I wanted to know the origin of the 46.9310 Ghatika from Sunrise. I fail to understand why Vyasa should round the time off as he was well versed in Astrology as were all sages of the day. The calculation for Ayanamsha would also be appreciated. Regards, Chandrashekhar. sanjayp wrote: || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Chandrashekarji, Let me just show some calculation I did. The 23:42:34 is in just a modern notation of time. That need not coincide with 24:00:00 or 00:00:00 for midnight. To convert into traditional time he was born 46.9310 Ghatika's from Sun rise. Using the given chart for that day, Sunrise: 4:56:13 (4.93) Sunset: 18:50:43 (18.8452) Day Duration(Dina Maana) = 13.91 Hrs = 13:54:36 Night Duration(Ratri Maana) = 10.09 Hrs = 10:05:24 Midnight = sunset + half night = 18:50:43 + 5.02:42 = 23:53:25 so in modern notation the midnight was at 23:53:25 and Krishna's Janma was at 23:42:34 So just off by 10 mins or from midnight. I am sure when Vyasa mentioned in Bhagavatam he must have rounded it off. Warm Regards Sanjay P Sree Krishna Natal Chart June 23, -3227 Time: 23:42:34 Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 N 25' 00" Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.27% left) Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left) Yoga: Harshana (Su) Karana: Balava (Mo) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Pi) Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars) Sunrise: 4:56:13 Sunset: 18:50:43 Janma Ghatis: 46.9310 Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39 Sidereal Time: 17:48:14 varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Robert, > Lord Krishna is said to be born at Midnight. Why then take the time to > be 23.42.34? > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Robert A. Koch wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha, > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Visti, et al - > > > > Namaskara - > > > > In my last email I neglected to give the data that I used in my book > > for Sri Krsna. This was approved by Sanjay last year at the Sunnyvale > > conference: > > > > * First, He descended during the cyclic Vedic year of Srimukha/, > > /during the lunar month of Sravana/. /This specifically > > occurred during the 28^th Maha-yuga/ /during/ /the reign of the > > 7^th Manvantara, namely Vaivasvata Manu. > > > > * The birth was during the Krishna Ashtami tithi (8^th lunar day > > of the waning moon cycle), when the Moon was in the > > constellation of Rohini. His appearance, according to > > scriptures, was at midnight, or very close to it. > > > > >From this, and additional evidences given by B.V. Raman and others, > > the following data is acceptable: > > > > June 23, -3227 > > 23:42:34 (5:10 East) > > 77E41 27N25 > > > > Lagna: 14:07 Taurus > > > > Best wishes, > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > Robert > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > Faculty member, SJC > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com <http://www.robertkoch.com/>> > > Email: rk@r... > > Ph: 541.318.0248 > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Om Brihaspataaye Namah Dear Hari, Namaste. Thankyou for this chart. It is always great to hear from you. Where are you based? The US trip was very powerful for me, and the focus was Jyotish that appeared in many forms. Not the least of which was the SJC conference. I arrived after the 1st day so I missed Roberts lecture, but this did not seem to matter in terms of connection. Everyone was so open, honest and humble in their learning that as a student you were swept up in the enquiry that was totally unified. The wise say the audience plays the speaker, like a musician plays his instrument, and this was how it seemed at the conference. ALL the speakers had this immense power to penetrate what was being discussed , and the rythym created by our combined attention was like a song. This song was like a dance that will long be heard in this heart, as a pure impulse that has gone very deep sings in its beauty the richness of the pure innocent . Jyotish shed light on many dark corners of my mind, yet the overiding sense was of great humility and substance of the eternal , the witness of all. To be able to impart knowledge, by discovery itself, that is gentle and unimposing is a true gift from Akasha. This was truly evident during the days of the conference, yet also I hear it through these lists. It is like once struck with the sound of truth, the echo is heard everywhere, and no more so than in the posts of SJC gurus, like yourself. Long may our enquiry continue, and long may we hear our own true Self speak back to us. Kindest regards Rosemary - Hari M rf.innes-jones Tuesday, September 07, 2004 8:36 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Sri Krishna Jataka - part two ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Rosemary, Namaste. How was your US trip and the SJC west coast conference there? Please find the chart of Jesus Christ attached along with this email; the source is the archives in Varahamihira where there was a discussion on istadevata etc. With reference to your other email regarding the casting of Sri Krishnas chart in Jyoti star, I think that it depends on the ephemeris used by the software. If the ephemeris can handle a range of years from BC to AD, then you would be getting the chart else not. regards HariR Innes-Jones <rf.innes-jones wrote: Om Brihaspataaye Namah Namaste Hari, Please can you post the chart for Jesus Christ. I would be most interested to see this. Kind regards, Rosemary - Hari M varahamihira Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:15 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Sri Krishna Jataka - part two ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Namaste Narasimha, Does JHora 6 lite have any limitation in the period of years for which one can cast a chart? I am able to cast the chart of Jesus Christ but not that of Sri Krishna, whose details are given below by Robert Koch. When I attempt to do that, the program simply hangs. regards HariRobert A. Koch wrote: Jaya Jagannatha, Dear Lakshmi, Visti, et al - Namaskara -In my last email I neglected to give the data that I used in my book for Sri Krsna. This was approved by Sanjay last year at the Sunnyvale conference: First, He descended during the cyclic Vedic year of Srimukha, during the lunar month of Sravana. This specifically occurred during the 28th Maha-yuga during the reign of the 7th Manvantara, namely Vaivasvata Manu. The birth was during the Krishna Ashtami tithi (8th lunar day of the waning moon cycle), when the Moon was in the constellation of Rohini. His appearance, according to scriptures, was at midnight, or very close to it. >From this, and additional evidences given by B.V. Raman and others, the following data is acceptable: June 23, -322723:42:34 (5:10 East)77E41 27N25Lagna: 14:07 TaurusBest wishes,Hare Rama Krsna,Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty member, SJC visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> Email: rk Ph: 541.318.0248|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Dear Sanjayp, No doubt you are right. My only doubt is that when we accept all other factors given by the Sages, why not accept the time given by them? The reason of Navamsha sign changing could also be use of wrong Ayanamsha too. Could you elaborate on how the Ayanamsha was arrived at? I think some authorities give moon in Simha Navamsha. I think there is a specific yoga caused by that, given in Chandra kala Nadi. Regards, Chandrashekhar. sanjayp wrote: || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Chandrashekarji, If you use the exact Midnight time using the Sunrise/set time given by the software and using Local mean time. The Navamsa lagna comes to Gemini. Going by what he was I think Sanjayji must have put his Navamsa lagna to Taurus with Moon it. Personally I feel this makes sense as he was a incarnation for Moon. Warm Regards Sanjay P Om Tat Sat varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Sanjayp, > I am certain you must have calculated right. I wanted to know the origin > of the 46.9310 Ghatika from Sunrise. I fail to understand why Vyasa > should round the time off as he was well versed in Astrology as were all > sages of the day. The calculation for Ayanamsha would also be appreciated. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > sanjayp@c... wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > Let me just show some calculation I did. > > > > The 23:42:34 is in just a modern notation of time. That need not > > coincide with 24:00:00 or 00:00:00 for midnight. > > > > To convert into traditional time he was born 46.9310 Ghatika's from > > Sun rise. > > > > Using the given chart for that day, > > > > Sunrise: 4:56:13 (4.93) > > Sunset: 18:50:43 (18.8452) > > > > Day Duration(Dina Maana) = 13.91 Hrs = 13:54:36 > > Night Duration(Ratri Maana) = 10.09 Hrs = 10:05:24 > > Midnight = sunset + half night = 18:50:43 + 5.02:42 = 23:53:25 > > > > so in modern notation the midnight was at 23:53:25 > > and Krishna's Janma was at 23:42:34 > > So just off by 10 mins or from midnight. I am sure when Vyasa > > mentioned in Bhagavatam he must have rounded it off. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > Sree Krishna > > > > Natal Chart > > > > June 23, -3227 > > Time: 23:42:34 > > Time Zone: 5:10:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 77 E 41' 00", 27 N 25' 00" > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Sreemukha - Sravana > > Tithi: Krishna Ashtami (Ra) (66.27% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > > Nakshatra: Rohini (Mo) (53.59% left) > > Yoga: Harshana (Su) > > Karana: Balava (Mo) > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Pi) > > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Cp) > > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Mars) > > > > Sunrise: 4:56:13 > > Sunset: 18:50:43 > > Janma Ghatis: 46.9310 > > > > Ayanamsa: 48-17-59.39 > > Sidereal Time: 17:48:14 > > > > > > > > varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > > wrote: > > > Dear Robert, > > > Lord Krishna is said to be born at Midnight. Why then take the time > > to > > > be 23.42.34? > > > Regards, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > Robert A. Koch wrote: > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha, > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Visti, et al - > > > > > > > > Namaskara - > > > > > > > > In my last email I neglected to give the data that I used in my > > book > > > > for Sri Krsna. This was approved by Sanjay last year at the > > Sunnyvale > > > > conference: > > > > > > > > * First, He descended during the cyclic Vedic year of > > Srimukha/, > > > > /during the lunar month of Sravana/. /This specifically > > > > occurred during the 28^th Maha-yuga/ /during/ /the reign of > > the > > > > 7^th Manvantara, namely Vaivasvata Manu. > > > > > > > > * The birth was during the Krishna Ashtami tithi (8^th lunar > > day > > > > of the waning moon cycle), when the Moon was in the > > > > constellation of Rohini. His appearance, according to > > > > scriptures, was at midnight, or very close to it. > > > > > > > > >From this, and additional evidences given by B.V. Raman and > > others, > > > > the following data is acceptable: > > > > > > > > June 23, -3227 > > > > 23:42:34 (5:10 East) > > > > 77E41 27N25 > > > > > > > > Lagna: 14:07 Taurus > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Hare Rama Krsna, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer > > > > Faculty member, SJC > > > > visit <http://www.robertkoch.com <http://www.robertkoch.com/>> > > > > Email: rk@r... > > > > Ph: 541.318.0248 > > > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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