Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Dear Friends, In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself. Jup Vim. Dasa This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book. 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc. 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system. Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given) Asc – Li – Sun, Sat 2nd house - Mer 6th house – rahu 7th house – Mars 9th house – Jup 12th house – ven , ketu 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17. 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year (SJ: what I don’t is this should be his 20th year, also one more doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn’t he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to 1914 since he is born in 1894) Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling. (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some authors, but it wouldn’t be of travel. Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the event.) 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year. 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD – both are marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother. SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge lagna. 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from 5th. I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don’t have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful. Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and marriage to the day hasn’t been mentioned in the classics. Till date I haven’t come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me. The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each other Love and Light, SJ Mumbai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Dear Sunil, As per my understanding, Vimsottari Dasa should be calculated from the nakshatra of Moon only. What Dr Raman says is Vimsottari Dasa is also known as Udu Dasa... Even Satyacharya's view of seeing Vimshottari Dasa from Lagna is disputed by Dr Raman with his vast experience. But since it's Satyacharya, the same has to be considered. Does Pt Sanjay Ji see nakshatra dasa from Lagna and others? * * * Regarding Gochara from Moon. Gochara is seen from many points like Moon, Lagna, natal positions etc; Lagna and Moon are equal in any case. The results from Lagna in a Jataka are unrelenting in nature, while those represented by Gochara and AV are adrida, which can soften. So when we see, Gochara, if can be soften, it should be based on Moon, as Mind is equal to Atma. (Varahamihira says in Brihat Samhita that Atma follows Mind wherever it goes). And it's all on Moon how the results of past birth is modified depending on which, depnding on which Gochara can vary. This is partly my logic, for that Dridaadrida there is Pramaanam :- ) Prasna Marga stresses by saying those who don't see Vedha and Vipareeta Vedha cant predict accurately. I've also read somewhere, the transits of Sani, Guru and Surya has more importance from Moon while for others from Lagna. * * * Those who view Ayanamsa and planetary movements for Lord Krishna's and other charts of early periods, these quotes in Graha Laakhavam written by Ganesa Daivajna will be of interest. " Brahma, Vasishta, Brihaspati and Kasyapa all made Ganita books, which after some time, started to show some differences. (!!!) Then, Mayaasura with the blessings of Lord Surya made Surya Sidhanta. --This was at the end of Krita Yuga-- When Kali Yuga started, this also started showing differences, hence Parasara and Aryabhata made books on Ganita. Aryabhata did this in Kali year 3600. When this also shown differences, Durgasamhitan and Varahamihira wrote books.Thereafter Brahmaguptacharya did Brahma Siddhanta and after that Bhaskaracharya did Sidhanta Siromani and Karana kuthuhalam. Thereafter Kesavacharya did a book in his name, Then after 60 years, Ganesa Daivajna, his son, writes Graha Laakhavam. " Best Regards, Saaji varahamihira , " Sunil John " <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > Dear Friends, > In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself. > > > Jup Vim. Dasa > > > > This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book. > > > > 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc. > > > > 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system. > > > > Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given) > > Asc - Li - Sun, Sat > > 2nd house - Mer > > 6th house - rahu > > 7th house - Mars > > 9th house - Jup > > 12th house - ven , ketu > > > > 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. > > Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17. > > > > 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year > > (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to 1914 since he is born in 1894) > > Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling. > > (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some authors, but it wouldn't be of travel. > > Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the event.) > > > > 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year. > > > > 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD - both are marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother. > > SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge lagna. > > > > 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from 5th. > > > > I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful. > > > > > > Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date I haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me. > > The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each other > > > > Love and Light, > > > > SJ > > Mumbai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Dear SJ, Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an individual. The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here, but I couldn't find any new rules being used here: 1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the calculation remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on nak of jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator. 2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit of jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the person himself, the lagna is used. 3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor, which has to be used to time at the level of year. 4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as much dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the concept of Jeeva. What is more interesting thing to note here is: 1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to pin down the exact month and day. 2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events, since the cycle is of 1 year. You can as well formulate a " Saturn vim. " because then you will have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the life of an individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries, longevity etc. for a person. The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact that using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity of non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi wouldn't like to keep track of. E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this scheme of things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be in trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will be the only saviour. Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody derives something like: Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters' motion = Jupiters' vimshottri dasha regards, nitish - Sunil John <suniljohn_2004 Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530 |Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa Varahamihira <varahamihira > Dear Friends, In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself. Jup Vim. Dasa This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book. 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc. 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system. Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given) Asc – Li – Sun, Sat 2nd house - Mer 6th house – rahu 7th house – Mars 9th house – Jup 12th house – ven , ketu 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17. 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to 1914 since he is born in 1894) Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling. (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some authors, but it wouldn't be of travel. Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the event.) 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year. 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD – both are marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother. SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge lagna. 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from 5th. I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful. Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date I haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me. The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each other Love and Light, SJ Mumbai. |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 varahamihira , Nitish Arya <nitish.arya@g...> wrote: > Dear SJ, > Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an individual. > The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here, but > I couldn't find any new rules being used here: > 1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the calculation > remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on nak of > jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator. > 2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his > relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit of > jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the person > himself, the lagna is used. > 3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor, which > has to be used to time at the level of year. > 4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of > Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as much > dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the concept > of Jeeva. > > > What is more interesting thing to note here is: > 1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to pin > down the exact month and day. > 2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an > event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events, since the > cycle is of 1 year. > You can as well formulate a " Saturn vim. " because then you will > have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the life of an > individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries, longevity > etc. for a person. > The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact that > using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity of > non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi > wouldn't like to keep track of. > E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this scheme of > things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be in > trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will be the > only saviour. > Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody > derives something like: > Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters' motion = Jupiters' vimshottri dasha > regards, > nitish > > - > Sunil John <suniljohn_2004@h...> > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530 > |Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa > Varahamihira <varahamihira > > > > Dear Friends, > In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the > notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for > everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand > written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book > or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself. > > > > Jup Vim. Dasa > > > > This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book. > > > > 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit > of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is > placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc. > > > > 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The > mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system. > > > > Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given) > > Asc †" Li †" Sun, Sat > > 2nd house - Mer > > 6th house †" rahu > > 7th house †" Mars > > 9th house †" Jup > > 12th house †" ven , ketu > > > > 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. > > Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house, > the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the > 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father > are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17. > > > > 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year > > (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more > doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't > he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to > travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to > 1914 since he is born in 1894) > > Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is > the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling. > > (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should > come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some > authors, but it wouldn't be of travel. > > Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup > in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the > event.) > > > > 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and > Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has > taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the > 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd > from 4th hence death of mother in that year. > > > > 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD †" both are > marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother. > > SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as > maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge > lagna. > > > > 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th > lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from > 5th. > > > > I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't > have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim > Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in > correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply > to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful. > > > > > > Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was > being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was > used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A > astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how > to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here > - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the > professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was > written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the > last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage > repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and > marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date I > haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their > must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate > yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which > job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just > thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who > do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me. > > The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig > deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each > other > > > > Love and Light, > > > > SJ > > Mumbai. > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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