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Dear Friends,

In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.

 

Jup Vim. Dasa

 

This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.

 

1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.

 

2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.

 

Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)

Asc – Li – Sun, Sat

2nd house - Mer

6th house – rahu

7th house – Mars

9th house – Jup

12th house – ven , ketu

 

3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD.

Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17.

 

4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year

(SJ: what I don’t is this should be his 20th year, also one more doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn’t he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to 1914 since he is born in 1894)

Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.

(SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some authors, but it wouldn’t be of travel.

Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the event.)

 

5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year.

 

6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD – both are marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.

SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge lagna.

 

7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from 5th.

 

I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don’t have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful.

 

 

Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and marriage to the day hasn’t been mentioned in the classics. Till date I haven’t come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.

The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each other

 

Love and Light,

 

SJ

Mumbai.

 

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Om Subrahmanyaya Namah

 

Dear Sunil,

 

As per my understanding, Vimsottari Dasa should be calculated from

the nakshatra of Moon only. What Dr Raman says is Vimsottari Dasa is

also known as Udu Dasa... Even Satyacharya's view of seeing

Vimshottari Dasa from Lagna is disputed by Dr Raman with his vast

experience. But since it's Satyacharya, the same has to be

considered.

 

Does Pt Sanjay Ji see nakshatra dasa from Lagna and others?

 

 

* * *

Regarding Gochara from Moon. Gochara is seen from many points like

Moon, Lagna, natal positions etc; Lagna and Moon are equal in any

case. The results from Lagna in a Jataka are unrelenting in nature,

while those represented by Gochara and AV are adrida, which can

soften. So when we see, Gochara, if can be soften, it should be based

on Moon, as Mind is equal to Atma. (Varahamihira says in Brihat

Samhita that Atma follows Mind wherever it goes). And it's all on

Moon how the results of past birth is modified depending on which,

depnding on which Gochara can vary. This is partly my logic, for that

Dridaadrida there is Pramaanam :- )

 

Prasna Marga stresses by saying those who don't see Vedha and

Vipareeta Vedha cant predict accurately. I've also read somewhere,

the transits of Sani, Guru and Surya has more importance from Moon

while for others from Lagna.

 

 

* * *

Those who view Ayanamsa and planetary movements for Lord Krishna's

and other charts of early periods, these quotes in Graha Laakhavam

written by Ganesa Daivajna will be of interest. " Brahma, Vasishta,

Brihaspati and Kasyapa all made Ganita books, which after some time,

started to show some differences. (!!!) Then, Mayaasura with the

blessings of Lord Surya made Surya Sidhanta. --This was at the end of

Krita Yuga-- When Kali Yuga started, this also started showing

differences, hence Parasara and Aryabhata made books on Ganita.

Aryabhata did this in Kali year 3600. When this also shown

differences, Durgasamhitan and Varahamihira wrote books.Thereafter

Brahmaguptacharya did Brahma Siddhanta and after that Bhaskaracharya

did Sidhanta Siromani and Karana kuthuhalam. Thereafter Kesavacharya

did a book in his name, Then after 60 years, Ganesa Daivajna, his

son, writes Graha Laakhavam. "

 

Best Regards,

 

Saaji

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Sunil John "

<suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the

notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for

everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand

written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book

or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.

>

>

> Jup Vim. Dasa

>

>

>

> This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.

>

>

>

> 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the

transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where

Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.

>

>

>

> 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The

mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.

>

>

>

> Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)

>

> Asc - Li - Sun, Sat

>

> 2nd house - Mer

>

> 6th house - rahu

>

> 7th house - Mars

>

> 9th house - Jup

>

> 12th house - ven , ketu

>

>

>

> 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD.

>

> Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th

house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from

Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka

for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of

17.

>

>

>

> 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year

>

> (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more

doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't

he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to

travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to

1914 since he is born in 1894)

>

> Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is

the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.

>

> (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point

should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by

some authors, but it wouldn't be of travel.

>

> Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made

Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to

prove the event.)

>

>

>

> 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn

and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again

he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as

lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death

since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year.

>

>

>

> 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD - both are

marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.

>

> SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon

as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas

for Ge lagna.

>

>

>

> 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is

8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house

from 5th.

>

>

>

> I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't

have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim

Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in

correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply

to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful.

>

>

>

>

>

> Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa

was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it

was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret.

A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew

how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud

here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the

professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was

written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the

last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage

repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and

marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date

I haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their

must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate

yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which

job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done.

Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this

list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.

>

> The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us

dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with

each other

>

>

>

> Love and Light,

>

>

>

> SJ

>

> Mumbai.

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Dear SJ,

Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an individual.

The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here, but

I couldn't find any new rules being used here:

1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the calculation

remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on nak of

jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator.

2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his

relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit of

jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the person

himself, the lagna is used.

3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor, which

has to be used to time at the level of year.

4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of

Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as much

dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the concept

of Jeeva.

 

 

What is more interesting thing to note here is:

1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to pin

down the exact month and day.

2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an

event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events, since the

cycle is of 1 year.

You can as well formulate a " Saturn vim. " because then you will

have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the life of an

individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries, longevity

etc. for a person.

The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact that

using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity of

non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi

wouldn't like to keep track of.

E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this scheme of

things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be in

trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will be the

only saviour.

Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody

derives something like:

Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters' motion = Jupiters' vimshottri dasha

regards,

nitish

 

-

Sunil John <suniljohn_2004

Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530

|Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa

Varahamihira <varahamihira >

 

 

Dear Friends,

In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the

notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for

everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand

written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book

or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.

 

 

 

Jup Vim. Dasa

 

 

 

This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.

 

 

 

1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the transit

of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is

placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.

 

 

 

2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The

mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.

 

 

 

Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)

 

Asc – Li – Sun, Sat

 

2nd house - Mer

 

6th house – rahu

 

7th house – Mars

 

9th house – Jup

 

12th house – ven , ketu

 

 

 

3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD.

 

Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house,

the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, the

17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father

are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17.

 

 

 

4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year

 

(SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more

doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't

he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to

travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to

1914 since he is born in 1894)

 

Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is

the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.

 

(SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should

come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some

authors, but it wouldn't be of travel.

 

Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made Jup

in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove the

event.)

 

 

 

5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn and

Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he has

taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the

34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is 3rd

from 4th hence death of mother in that year.

 

 

 

6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD – both are

marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.

 

SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon as

maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for Ge

lagna.

 

 

 

7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th

lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house from

5th.

 

 

 

I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't

have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim

Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in

correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply

to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful.

 

 

 

 

 

Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was

being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was

used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A

astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew how

to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud here

- the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the

professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was

written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the

last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage

repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and

marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date I

haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their

must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate

yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which

job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. Just

thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list who

do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.

 

The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us dig

deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each

other

 

 

 

Love and Light,

 

 

 

SJ

 

Mumbai.

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

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varahamihira , Nitish Arya <nitish.arya@g...>

wrote:

> Dear SJ,

> Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an

individual.

> The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here,

but

> I couldn't find any new rules being used here:

> 1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the calculation

> remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on nak

of

> jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator.

> 2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his

> relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit of

> jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the person

> himself, the lagna is used.

> 3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor, which

> has to be used to time at the level of year.

> 4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of

> Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as much

> dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the concept

> of Jeeva.

>

>

> What is more interesting thing to note here is:

> 1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to pin

> down the exact month and day.

> 2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an

> event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events, since

the

> cycle is of 1 year.

> You can as well formulate a " Saturn vim. " because then you will

> have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the life of an

> individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries,

longevity

> etc. for a person.

> The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact that

> using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity of

> non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi

> wouldn't like to keep track of.

> E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this scheme

of

> things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be in

> trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will be

the

> only saviour.

> Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody

> derives something like:

> Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters' motion = Jupiters'

vimshottri dasha

> regards,

> nitish

>

> -

> Sunil John <suniljohn_2004@h...>

> Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530

> |Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa

> Varahamihira <varahamihira >

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the

> notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for

> everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand

> written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a

book

> or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.

>

>

>

> Jup Vim. Dasa

>

>

>

> This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.

>

>

>

> 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the

transit

> of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is

> placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.

>

>

>

> 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The

> mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.

>

>

>

> Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)

>

> Asc †" Li †" Sun, Sat

>

> 2nd house - Mer

>

> 6th house †" rahu

>

> 7th house †" Mars

>

> 9th house †" Jup

>

> 12th house †" ven , ketu

>

>

>

> 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD.

>

> Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house,

> the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup,

the

> 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father

> are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17.

>

>

>

> 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year

>

> (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more

> doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't

> he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to

> travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to

> 1914 since he is born in 1894)

>

> Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is

> the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.

>

> (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should

> come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some

> authors, but it wouldn't be of travel.

>

> Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made

Jup

> in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove

the

> event.)

>

>

>

> 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn

and

> Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he

has

> taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the

> 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it is

3rd

> from 4th hence death of mother in that year.

>

>

>

> 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD †" both are

> marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.

>

> SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon

as

> maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for

Ge

> lagna.

>

>

>

> 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th

> lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house

from

> 5th.

>

>

>

> I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't

> have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim

> Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in

> correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply

> to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful.

>

>

>

>

>

> Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was

> being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was

> used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A

> astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew

how

> to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud

here

> - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the

> professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was

> written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the

> last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage

> repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and

> marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till

date I

> haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their

> must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the

immediate

> yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by

which

> job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done.

Just

> thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list

who

> do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.

>

> The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us

dig

> deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each

> other

>

>

>

> Love and Light,

>

>

>

> SJ

>

> Mumbai.

>

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

>

>

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