Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa: Exch 3

September 9, 2004

Dear Nitishji,

Retyping this as it didn't reach the first time.

Very interesting email from your end Nitish.

1. That is an imp point of Jup being Jeeva in this context, it

didn't seep into me earlier.

2. Yes the use of nak remains a common denominator, I guess

that's why it can work.

3. I don't understand why he has used natal lagna sometimes and

Jup Lagna other times, it makes me think whether this is just one of

those postmortem techniques.

4. now this is a very imp point that u have raised and it didn't

strike me also which is retrogression of Jup coming into play

5. The 2nd point in the subsequent sub set is not clear, Jups

vimshotari doesn't necessarily pinpoint the year of the event, the

transit pinpoints, any dasa in this system would surely have various

antars of various planets and thats what he has used to time, and so

would Sat based Vim dasa be, as it would too have various other

planets antars etc. This I guess is like any other vim dasa.

6. Thinking loud I always wondered why it is only the moon,

agreed that moon is the mana, the karma holder, the vehicle through

which the soul acts etc, but then if we look at Vim dasa thro lagna

too when needed , shouldn't we ALSO look at the Vim dasa of the AK

planet, I presume the AK planet represents the soul. If Moon, Mana is

the software programming of our past lives and subsequently current

life, then I think the hardware or the main driver is the AK planet

since it represents Soul.

Thanks for ur mail

Kind regards,

SJ

varahamihira , " suniljohn_2002 "

<suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:

> varahamihira , Nitish Arya <nitish.arya@g...>

> wrote:

> > Dear SJ,

> > Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an

> individual.

> > The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here,

> but

> > I couldn't find any new rules being used here:

> > 1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the

calculation

> > remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on

nak

> of

> > jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator.

> > 2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his

> > relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit

of

> > jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the

person

> > himself, the lagna is used.

> > 3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor,

which

> > has to be used to time at the level of year.

> > 4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of

> > Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as

much

> > dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the

concept

> > of Jeeva.

> >

> > What is more interesting thing to note here is:

> > 1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to

> > down the exact month and day.

> > 2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an

> > event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events,

since

> the

> > cycle is of 1 year.

> > You can as well formulate a " Saturn vim. " because then you will

> > have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the life of an

> > individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries,

> longevity

> > etc. for a person.

> > The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact

that

> > using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity

of

> > non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi

> > wouldn't like to keep track of.

> > E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this

scheme

> of

> > things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be

in

> > trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will

be

> the

> > only saviour.

> > Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody

> > derives something like:

> > Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters' motion = Jupiters'

> vimshottri dasha

> > regards,

> > nitish

> >

> > -

> > Sunil John <suniljohn_2004@h...>

> > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530

> > |Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa

> > Varahamihira <varahamihira >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out

the

> > notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for

> > everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his

hand

> > written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a

> book

> > or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.

> >

> > Jup Vim. Dasa

> >

> > This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.

> >

> > 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the

> transit

> > of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup

is

> > placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.

> >

> > 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The

> > mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.

> >

> > Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)

> >

> > Asc â€ " Li â€ " Sun, Sat

> >

> > 2nd house - Mer

> >

> > 6th house â€ " rahu

> >

> > 7th house â€ " Mars

> >

> > 9th house â€ " Jup

> >

> > 12th house â€ " ven , ketu

> >

> > 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD.

> >

> > Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th

house,

> > the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup,

> the

> > 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for

father

> > are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17.

> >

> > 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year

> >

> > (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more

> > doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why

hasn't

> > he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs

to

> > travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching

to

> > 1914 since he is born in 1894)

> >

> > Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year

is

> > the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.

> >

> > (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point

should

> > come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by

some

> > authors, but it wouldn't be of travel.

> >

> > Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made

> Jup

> > in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to

prove

> the

> > event.)

> >

> > 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of

Saturn

> and

> > Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again

he

> has

> > taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) .

the

> > 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it

is

> 3rd

> > from 4th hence death of mother in that year.

> >

> > 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD â€ " both are

> > marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.

> >

> > SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and

moon

> as

> > maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas

for

> Ge

> > lagna.

> >

> > 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is

8th

> > lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house

> from

> > 5th.

> >

> > I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I

don't

> > have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive

vim

> > Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in

> > correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly

reply

> > to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most

helpful.

> >

> > Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa

was

> > being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was

> > used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A

> > astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew

> how

> > to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud

> here

> > - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the

> > professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was

> > written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the

> > last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage

> > repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and

> > marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till

> date I

> > haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel

their

> > must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the

> immediate

> > yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by

> which

> > job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done.

> Just

> > thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this

list

> who

> > do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.

> >

> > The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of

us

> dig

> > deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each

> > other

> >

> > Love and Light,

> >

> > SJ

> >

> > Mumbai.

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

September 10, 2004

` nmae naray[ay,

om namo näräyaëäya|

Dear Sunil,

Guru is Jeeva Karaka and that is why his placement in kendras to Lagna or Chandra is considered very auspicious.I think you bought a book on transits written by Shri R.G.Rao wherein he states very clearly that Guru is Jeeva and so his transit every year is given important along with Shani's transit.Read the book from the beginning and you will understand it very clearly.But considering the Dasha from Guru is something new to me and research has to be done in this regard.

I hope this helps you.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn_2004 wrote: Dear Nitishji,Retyping this as it didn't reach the first time.Very interesting email from your end Nitish.1. That is an imp point of Jup being Jeeva in this context, it didn't seep into me earlier.2. Yes the use of nak remains a common denominator, I guess that's why it can work.3. I don't understand why he has used natal lagna sometimes and Jup Lagna other times, it makes me think whether this is just one of those postmortem techniques.4. now this is a very imp point that u have raised and it didn't strike me also which is retrogression of Jup coming into play5. The 2nd point in the subsequent sub set is not clear, Jups vimshotari doesn't necessarily pinpoint the

year of the event, the transit pinpoints, any dasa in this system would surely have various antars of various planets and thats what he has used to time, and so would Sat based Vim dasa be, as it would too have various other planets antars etc. This I guess is like any other vim dasa.6. Thinking loud I always wondered why it is only the moon, agreed that moon is the mana, the karma holder, the vehicle through which the soul acts etc, but then if we look at Vim dasa thro lagna too when needed , shouldn't we ALSO look at the Vim dasa of the AK planet, I presume the AK planet represents the soul. If Moon, Mana is the software programming of our past lives and subsequently current life, then I think the hardware or the main driver is the AK planet since it represents Soul. Thanks for ur mailKind regards,SJvarahamihira , "suniljohn_2002"

<suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote:> varahamihira , Nitish Arya <nitish.arya@g...> > wrote:> > Dear SJ,> > Since Jupiter is Jeeva, it could be used to time events for an > individual.> > The old astrologer has changed a few things which I note here, > but> > I couldn't find any new rules being used here:> > 1. The nakshatra used is of Jup instead of Mo, while the calculation> > remains same as Vimshottri dasa. This puts a lot of emphasis on nak > of> > jup., but the use of nakshatra remains a common denominator.> > 2. It is clear that the events are timed for the native and his> > relatives (father, mother, brother and Son) according to transit of> > jup from the houses representing the said relatives. For the person> > himself, the lagna is used.>

> 3. The transit of Jup. has been shown as a determining factor, which> > has to be used to time at the level of year.> > 4. It doesn't seem to take care of the retrogressive movement of> > Jup.(while Moon always moves direct), which means it is not as much> > dependent on the planets' motion as on the nakshatra and the concept> > of Jeeva.> > > > > > What is more interesting thing to note here is:> > 1. Eventually, one has to use sun and moon (and AD, PD etc.) to pin> > down the exact month and day.> > 2. Even though Jupiters' vim. fixes the year of occurrence of an> > event, it would not be the best dasha system to time events, since > the> > cycle is of 1 year.> > You can as well formulate a "Saturn vim." because then you will> > have only 4 chances for a event to occur or not in the

life of an> > individual. It might be best to time the times of miseries, > longevity> > etc. for a person.> > The problem, however, seems to be more related to the fact that> > using such odd dasha systems bring in the mathematical complexity of> > non-linear motion (like retrogression), which even a wise jyotishi> > wouldn't like to keep track of.> > E.g. if jupiter goes retrograde and changes sign in this scheme > of> > things, the basic assumption of jumping through the years will be in> > trouble. Finally, the nakshatra dasha nature of the scheme will be > the> > only saviour.> > Still good idea to give it a try. I wouldn't wonder if somebody> > derives something like:> > Lunar Vimshottri dasha + Jupiters'

motion = Jupiters' > vimshottri dasha> > regards,> > nitish> > > > -> > Sunil John <suniljohn_2004@h...>> > Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:55:31 +0530> > |Sri Varaha| Hint at using Jup Vim Dasa> > Varahamihira <varahamihira >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the> > notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for> > everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand> > written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a > book> > or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself.> > > > > > > > Jup Vim. Dasa> > > > > > > > This is based

on the notes from the old astrologers rough book.> > > > > > > > 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the > transit> > of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where Jup is> > placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc.> > > > > > > > 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The> > mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system.> > > > > > > > Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given)> > > > Asc â€" Li â€" Sun, Sat> > > > 2nd house - Mer> > > > 6th house â€" rahu> > > > 7th house â€" Mars> > > > 9th house â€" Jup> > > > 12th house â€" ven , ketu> > > > > >

> > 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. > > > > Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th house,> > the house of father. On counting one year for one house from Jup, > the> > 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka for father> > are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of 17.> > > > > > > > 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year> > > > (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more> > doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't> > he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to> > travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to> > 1914 since he is born in 1894)> > > > Dasa was of

Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is> > the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling.> > > > (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point should> > come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by some> > authors, but it wouldn't be of travel.> > > > Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made > Jup> > in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to prove > the> > event.)> > > > > > > > 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn > and> > Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again he > has> > taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as lagna) . the> > 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death since it

is > 3rd> > from 4th hence death of mother in that year.> > > > > > > > 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD â€" both are> > marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother.> > > > SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon > as> > maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas for > Ge> > lagna.> > > > > > > > 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is 8th> > lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house > from> > 5th.> > > > > > > > I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't> > have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim> > Dasa from

Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in> > correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply> > to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful.> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa was> > being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it was> > used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. A> > astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew > how> > to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud > here> > - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the> > professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was> > written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the> > last

century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage> > repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and> > marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till > date I> > haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their> > must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the > immediate> > yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by > which> > job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. > Just> > thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this list > who> > do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me.> > > > The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us > dig> > deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with each> > other> > >

> > > > > Love and Light,> > > > > > > > SJ> > > > Mumbai.> > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat|> > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > > > >