Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Dear Shri Saaji, If I remember well Sanjayji does see the dasa from the strongest of the two lagna and moon , so answering it yes he does. Infact also some other techs like other stars, which Nitin answered. I am nobody to dispute Shri Dr. Ramans views of not seeing it from the lagna, but I feel disputing Sage Satyacharyas views might not be fruitful. Dr. Ramans ayanamsa is not followed in Nasa but only Lahiri, as told by a NASA scientist to Shri KN Rao, I am not at liberty from him to disclose more on this very interesting topic. But yes the ayanamsa would change in the coming yrs (how and why I don't know since I don't understand the concept of astronomy and ayanamsa), but in a few yrs the NASA scientist seems to have hinted what some astrologers, including this amateur student feels that Lahiri less than 20-30 mins would work better. Sorry got tangential here. I might politely not agree with you completely here that only V.D from moon is applicable, if someone in the olden times was using and as pointed out by Shri Dewavrat ji that it is mentioned in Chandra Kala Nadi then there is some basis to it. Thinking aloud, If we follow the rule that it is not mentioned in the classics, then I guess (not read classics myself) Sanjayji's Tithi Pravesh system, ND and Moola Dasa etc would be wrong. Although, if I remember well I think once some one said on the list that ND has been mentioned in the classics. I think the Gochara and ayanamsa was written by you for someone else, so didn't read it carefully as yet. I thought u were busy in exams, sorry to pull you out again in the list Best of luck to u for the exams Best SJ P.S: I should retire from lists for some time now, not that anyone would miss. varahamihira , " saaji kulangara " <saajik> wrote: > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > Dear Sunil, > > As per my understanding, Vimsottari Dasa should be calculated from > the nakshatra of Moon only. What Dr Raman says is Vimsottari Dasa is > also known as Udu Dasa... Even Satyacharya's view of seeing > Vimshottari Dasa from Lagna is disputed by Dr Raman with his vast > experience. But since it's Satyacharya, the same has to be > considered. > > Does Pt Sanjay Ji see nakshatra dasa from Lagna and others? > > > * * * > Regarding Gochara from Moon. Gochara is seen from many points like > Moon, Lagna, natal positions etc; Lagna and Moon are equal in any > case. The results from Lagna in a Jataka are unrelenting in nature, > while those represented by Gochara and AV are adrida, which can > soften. So when we see, Gochara, if can be soften, it should be based > on Moon, as Mind is equal to Atma. (Varahamihira says in Brihat > Samhita that Atma follows Mind wherever it goes). And it's all on > Moon how the results of past birth is modified depending on which, > depnding on which Gochara can vary. This is partly my logic, for that > Dridaadrida there is Pramaanam :- ) > > Prasna Marga stresses by saying those who don't see Vedha and > Vipareeta Vedha cant predict accurately. I've also read somewhere, > the transits of Sani, Guru and Surya has more importance from Moon > while for others from Lagna. > > > * * * > Those who view Ayanamsa and planetary movements for Lord Krishna's > and other charts of early periods, these quotes in Graha Laakhavam > written by Ganesa Daivajna will be of interest. " Brahma, Vasishta, > Brihaspati and Kasyapa all made Ganita books, which after some time, > started to show some differences. (!!!) Then, Mayaasura with the > blessings of Lord Surya made Surya Sidhanta. --This was at the end of > Krita Yuga-- When Kali Yuga started, this also started showing > differences, hence Parasara and Aryabhata made books on Ganita. > Aryabhata did this in Kali year 3600. When this also shown > differences, Durgasamhitan and Varahamihira wrote books.Thereafter > Brahmaguptacharya did Brahma Siddhanta and after that Bhaskaracharya > did Sidhanta Siromani and Karana kuthuhalam. Thereafter Kesavacharya > did a book in his name, Then after 60 years, Ganesa Daivajna, his > son, writes Graha Laakhavam. " > > Best Regards, > > Saaji > > > > > varahamihira , " Sunil John " > <suniljohn_2004@h...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > In my discussions with Shri Brendan I had said I would type out the > notes which inspired me to think on Jups Vim Dasa, below it is for > everyone who would like to take this deeper. The source of his hand > written notes is no where mentioned, whether he copied it from a book > or someone narrated to him or he just wrote it himself. > > > > > > Jup Vim. Dasa > > > > > > > > This is based on the notes from the old astrologers rough book. > > > > > > > > 1: Type and time of event should be predicted according to the > transit of Jup in the D1. The first year starts from the house where > Jup is placed, 2nd year will be the 2nd house from Jup etc etc. > > > > > > > > 2: Dasa of the planets should be calculated to the nak of Jup. The > mains are the same as in the Vimshottari Dasa system. > > > > > > > > Example: 23- Oct 1894 6.20 am (place of birth not given) > > > > Asc - Li - Sun, Sat > > > > 2nd house - Mer > > > > 6th house - rahu > > > > 7th house - Mars > > > > 9th house - Jup > > > > 12th house - ven , ketu > > > > > > > > 3. By Jup Vim dasa the native is going thro JupMD/Sun AD. > > > > Jup is 7th lord and Sun is the 3rd lord of death from the 9th > house, the house of father. On counting one year for one house from > Jup, the 17th year comes to the Asc where Sun and Sat, both Maraka > for father are situated. His father died on Nov 1911 at the age of > 17. > > > > > > > > 4. Gone to england for education on June 1914 in his 19 year > > > > (SJ: what I don't is this should be his 20th year, also one more > doubt here Jup takes 13 yrs to travel thro the zodiac, so why hasn't > he mentioned that and only one house per year, if we take 13 yrs to > travel thro zodiac then his going for education would be matching to > 1914 since he is born in 1894) > > > > Dasa was of Jup and Mars AD, the 3rd and 7th lord. The 19th year is > the comes to the 3rd house, a house ruling travelling. > > > > (SJ: If we take 13 yrs per zodiac roughly the sensitive point > should come to the 4th house, which is also the house of education by > some authors, but it wouldn't be of travel. > > > > Another interesting thing that is noticed is that earlier he made > Jup in the chart as lagna and now he is taking the actual asc to > prove the event.) > > > > > > > > 5. Mothers death in March 1929 and his age is 34. Period of Saturn > and Ad of Moon is on. Moon is 7th maraka lord from 4th house (again > he has taken the natal lagna as lagna and not Jup placement as > lagna) . the 34th year is the 6th house which is the house of death > since it is 3rd from 4th hence death of mother in that year. > > > > > > > > 6. Bros death in 37th year, Nov 1930. Sat MD/Moon AD - both are > marakas. The 37th year is the 9th house of maraka for brother. > > > > SJ: I feel here again he has used Jup lagna and termed Sat and moon > as maraka since Jup is in Gemini and these two planets are marakas > for Ge lagna. > > > > > > > > 7. Son dies on Nov 1946 at the age of 52. MER MD/Rahu AD. Mer is > 8th lord from the 5th aspected by rahu and 52th year is the 8th house > from 5th. > > > > > > > > I feel this example shows that one can use Jups dasa, since I don't > have the place of birth or a software which has method to derive vim > Dasa from Jup, I cant verify if this dasa that he has written in > correct as per Jups Vim dasa. Also if anyone can try to kindly reply > to the queries raised in Red marked as SJ, it shall be most helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps and brings us closer to prove that Jups Vim dasa > was being used, at this juncture I would like to think that if it > was used, it was mentioned in some classic or as a parampara secret. > A astrologer making notes of this shows that someone somewhere knew > how to use it and also applied it, on another thought thinking aloud > here - the more I go deeper in astrology I realize that most of the > professional or accurate astrologers knew much more than what was > written in the classics e.g. Mr. Iyer the famous astrologer of the > last century used to predict the exact date of job and marriage > repeatedly and was known for this. This method of timing job and > marriage to the day hasn't been mentioned in the classics. Till date > I haven't come across an astrologer who can do this, but I feel their > must be some secret somewhere with these astrologers of the immediate > yesterday years which most of the current giants do not know by which > job timing to the day and marriage timing to the day can be done. > Just thinking aloud and no offence to anyone of the giants of this > list who do great service by teaching amateurs enthusiasts like me. > > > > The only aim behind this endeavor of thinking is so that all of us > dig deeper in the ocean of astrology and share those secrets with > each other > > > > > > > > Love and Light, > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > Mumbai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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