Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Hari Om I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and Kratu). Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this information. Has anyone researched this? I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer from reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, Joytishis), etc. Any help is welcomed. Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Om Subrahmanyaya Namah Namaste, As per Srimad Bhagavatam, saptarshis(seven rishis) change in every manwantara. Now it's the seventh manwantara running. 8th Skanda 7) Vaivasvata Manvantara: Kasyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Visvamitra, Gautama, Jamadagni and Bharadwaja are the Saptarshis. The same was discussed in another group. Aswathaama is going to be a saparshi in the next manwantara with his yogic power. I dont know how to connect one's gotra and nakshtra. As per my thinking in every Gotra, there will be people born in different nakshatras. Mine and my relatives nakshatras are different(or in some cases same), though Gotram is same. Hence tracing Gotra from nakshatra may not be possible. Or r u talking something different? I look forward for your further posts in this regard. Best Regards, Saaji varahamihira , " fls999999999 " <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > Hari Om > > I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible > to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's > ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and Kratu). > Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the > correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. > > I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this information. > Has anyone researched this? > I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer from > reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, Joytishis), etc. > > Any help is welcomed. > > Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Hari Om Hello Saaji thank you for considering my post... I will look up 8th Skanda and read. According to the book I am reviewing by William L. Levacy, he grouped the Nakshastras so they would be distributed to the 7 rishis. I did not find the pattern in the groupings ( 5,9th combination, or some cycle; I am still reviewing). I have pursued this question for some time in hopes a varga chart my indicate the Gotra when unknnown. I would think a harmonic of the 12th varga ( Suryaamsa or Dwadasamsa) would give some clue. I have also read and cannot recall the source, that if Gotra is not known, Kasyapa welcomes you for his liniage. I have tried to re- trace my steps on this info I read on-line to see if its traced back to some authority. Any case, thank you again; I will keep looking. Frank varahamihira , " saaji kulangara " <saajik> wrote: > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > Namaste, > > As per Srimad Bhagavatam, saptarshis(seven rishis) change in every > manwantara. Now it's the seventh manwantara running. > > 8th Skanda > 7) Vaivasvata Manvantara: Kasyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Visvamitra, > Gautama, Jamadagni and Bharadwaja are the Saptarshis. > > The same was discussed in another group. Aswathaama is going to be a > saparshi in the next manwantara with his yogic power. > > I dont know how to connect one's gotra and nakshtra. As per my > thinking in every Gotra, there will be people born in different > nakshatras. Mine and my relatives nakshatras are different(or in some > cases same), though Gotram is same. Hence tracing Gotra from > nakshatra may not be possible. > > Or r u talking something different? I look forward for your further > posts in this regard. > > Best Regards, > > Saaji > > > varahamihira , " fls999999999 " > <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > > Hari Om > > > > I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible > > to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's > > ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and Kratu). > > Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the > > correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. > > > > I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this > information. > > Has anyone researched this? > > I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer from > > reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, Joytishis), > etc. > > > > Any help is welcomed. > > > > Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Frank and Learned Members, I think the topic of Gotra which is being loosely translated as 'lineage' is more complex. As my analysis goes, The word Gotra is combination of 'gotra' -> 'go' + 'tra' I) 'go' the word 'go' can mean cow. But I think the word 'go' is from 'ga' (of gam, gacchati etc) which means 'moving' or 'going'. so 'go' means 'goer' or one who has a 'gati' II) 'tra' means 'protecting' (could also mean 'three') so word indicates protection of movers. Or those protection of one with gati. Similar meaning for 'go' can be seen from 'gochara' - > 'go' + 'chara' My understanding is that there could be 2 types of Gotra A) Spiritual Lineage and B) Genetic Lineage or maybe lineage based on profession or sustenance. The ones refered to by the Sapta Rishi are spiritual lineage which are only 7 and the genetic lineage we belong to are many this depends and the caste and community one belongs to for example My own Gotra Vachiar gotra which is not of the seven sapta rishi since this is based on my community which is called 24 Manai (Manai in tamil is a meansure of land) and this community itself have 24 Gotra's. You can refer to http://www.24manai.com/24manai_history.asp for a brief story. My understanding is that the Spiritual lineage is only 7 and is maintained by the brahmins and spiritualists. Your opinions are requested. Warm Regards Sanjay P Om Tat Sat. varahamihira , " fls999999999 " <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > Hari Om > > Hello Saaji > thank you for considering my post... > I will look up 8th Skanda and read. > > According to the book I am reviewing by William L. Levacy, > he grouped the Nakshastras so they would be distributed to the 7 > rishis. I did not find the pattern in the groupings ( 5,9th > combination, or some cycle; I am still reviewing). > > I have pursued this question for some time in hopes a varga chart my > indicate the Gotra when unknnown. I would think a harmonic of the > 12th varga ( Suryaamsa or Dwadasamsa) would give some clue. > > I have also read and cannot recall the source, that if Gotra is not > known, Kasyapa welcomes you for his liniage. I have tried to re- > trace my steps on this info I read on-line to see if its traced back > to some authority. > > Any case, thank you again; I will keep looking. > > Frank > > > varahamihira , " saaji kulangara " <saajik> > wrote: > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > > Namaste, > > > > As per Srimad Bhagavatam, saptarshis(seven rishis) change in every > > manwantara. Now it's the seventh manwantara running. > > > > 8th Skanda > > 7) Vaivasvata Manvantara: Kasyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Visvamitra, > > Gautama, Jamadagni and Bharadwaja are the Saptarshis. > > > > The same was discussed in another group. Aswathaama is going to be > a > > saparshi in the next manwantara with his yogic power. > > > > I dont know how to connect one's gotra and nakshtra. As per my > > thinking in every Gotra, there will be people born in different > > nakshatras. Mine and my relatives nakshatras are different(or in > some > > cases same), though Gotram is same. Hence tracing Gotra from > > nakshatra may not be possible. > > > > Or r u talking something different? I look forward for your > further > > posts in this regard. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Saaji > > > > > > varahamihira , " fls999999999 " > > <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > > > Hari Om > > > > > > I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible > > > to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's > > > ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and > Kratu). > > > Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the > > > correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. > > > > > > I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this > > information. > > > Has anyone researched this? > > > I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer from > > > reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, Joytishis), > > etc. > > > > > > Any help is welcomed. > > > > > > Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2004 Report Share Posted September 17, 2004 Dear Frank, I am attaching some texts and incorporating a link to a page on web giving information about Gotras and Nakshtra. Link is http://www.selfrealisation.net/Vedic Astrology/gotra.htm Chandrashekhar. fls999999999 wrote: Hari Om I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and Kratu). Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this information. Has anyone researched this? I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer from reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, Joytishis), etc. Any help is welcomed. Frank in San Diego |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira # NAKSHATRA GOTRA 1. Ashwini Marichi 2. Bharani Marichi 3. Krittika Marichi 4. Rohini Marichi 5. Mrigashira Vashishtha 6. Ardra Vashishtha 7. Punarvasu Vashishtha 8. Pushyami Vashishtha 9. Ashlesha Angiras 10. Magha Angiras 11. Purva Phalguni Angiras 12. Uttara Phalguni Angiras 13. Hasta Atri 14. Chitra Atri 15. Swati Atri 16. Vishakha Atri 17. Anuradha Pulastya 18. Jyeshtha Pulastya 19. Moola Pulastya 20. Purvashadha Pulastya 21. Uttarashadha Pulaha 22. Abhijit Pulaha 23. Shravana Pulaha 24. Dhanishtha Pulaha 25. Shatabhisha Gutha 26. Purvabhadrapada Gutha 27. Uttarabhadrapada Gutha 28. Revati Gutha ... hamsasso.aham .. Each graha has a gotra & rishi associated with it. Surya - kashyapa gotra, vishvamitra rishi (kutsa) Mangala - bharadvaja gotra (angirasa), jaamadagni rishi (brighu) Shukra - bhaargava gotra (brighu), shaunaka rishi (brighu) Soma - atri gotra, atri rishi Budha - atri gotra, bharadvaja rishi (angirasa) Guru - angirasa gotra, vasishtha rishi Shanaishcara - kashyapa gotra, bhrigu rishi Rahu - paithiinasi gotra, angirasa rishi Ketu – none, none ajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hari OM Dear Sanjay - thank you for your insite... Frank in San Diego -- In varahamihira , sanjayp@c... wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Frank and Learned Members, > > I think the topic of Gotra which is being loosely translated > as 'lineage' is more complex. > > As my analysis goes, The word Gotra is combination of > > 'gotra' -> 'go' + 'tra' > > I) 'go' the word 'go' can mean cow. But I think the word 'go' is from > 'ga' (of gam, gacchati etc) which means 'moving' or 'going'. > so 'go' means 'goer' or one who has a 'gati' > > II) 'tra' means 'protecting' (could also mean 'three') > > so word indicates protection of movers. Or those protection of one > with gati. Similar meaning for 'go' can be seen from 'gochara' - > > 'go' + 'chara' > > My understanding is that there could be 2 types of Gotra > A) Spiritual Lineage and B) Genetic Lineage or maybe lineage based > on profession or sustenance. > > The ones refered to by the Sapta Rishi are spiritual lineage which > are only 7 and the genetic lineage we belong to are many this depends > and the caste and community one belongs to for example My own Gotra > Vachiar gotra which is not of the seven sapta rishi since this is > based on my community which is called 24 Manai (Manai in tamil is a > meansure of land) and this community itself have 24 Gotra's. You can > refer to http://www.24manai.com/24manai_history.asp for a brief story. > My understanding is that the Spiritual lineage is only 7 and is > maintained by the brahmins and spiritualists. > > Your opinions are requested. > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > Om Tat Sat. > > > > > > varahamihira , " fls999999999 " > <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > > Hari Om > > > > Hello Saaji > > thank you for considering my post... > > I will look up 8th Skanda and read. > > > > According to the book I am reviewing by William L. Levacy, > > he grouped the Nakshastras so they would be distributed to the 7 > > rishis. I did not find the pattern in the groupings ( 5,9th > > combination, or some cycle; I am still reviewing). > > > > I have pursued this question for some time in hopes a varga chart > my > > indicate the Gotra when unknnown. I would think a harmonic of the > > 12th varga ( Suryaamsa or Dwadasamsa) would give some clue. > > > > I have also read and cannot recall the source, that if Gotra is not > > known, Kasyapa welcomes you for his liniage. I have tried to re- > > trace my steps on this info I read on-line to see if its traced > back > > to some authority. > > > > Any case, thank you again; I will keep looking. > > > > Frank > > > > > > varahamihira , " saaji kulangara " > <saajik> > > wrote: > > > Om Subrahmanyaya Namah > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > As per Srimad Bhagavatam, saptarshis(seven rishis) change in > every > > > manwantara. Now it's the seventh manwantara running. > > > > > > 8th Skanda > > > 7) Vaivasvata Manvantara: Kasyapa, Atri, Vasishta, Visvamitra, > > > Gautama, Jamadagni and Bharadwaja are the Saptarshis. > > > > > > The same was discussed in another group. Aswathaama is going to > be > > a > > > saparshi in the next manwantara with his yogic power. > > > > > > I dont know how to connect one's gotra and nakshtra. As per my > > > thinking in every Gotra, there will be people born in different > > > nakshatras. Mine and my relatives nakshatras are different(or in > > some > > > cases same), though Gotram is same. Hence tracing Gotra from > > > nakshatra may not be possible. > > > > > > Or r u talking something different? I look forward for your > > further > > > posts in this regard. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Saaji > > > > > > > > > varahamihira , " fls999999999 " > > > <frank_in_sandiego@c...> wrote: > > > > Hari Om > > > > > > > > I have been looking for some time, to see if it is possible > > > > to connect ones chart back to the Seven Rishi's > > > > ( Marichi, Vasishta, Angiras, Atri, Pulasthya, Pulahu, and > > Kratu). > > > > Reading a book this week by William L. Levacy suggests the > > > > correlation with ones Nakshatra and one of the 7 Rishis. > > > > > > > > I am trying to contact William to see the origin of this > > > information. > > > > Has anyone researched this? > > > > I have been pursuing for some time and yet to find a answer > from > > > > reliable and documented sources ( Pandit, shastras, > Joytishis), > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Any help is welcomed. > > > > > > > > Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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