Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Hari Om Namaste. We know that Akasa element is owned by Guru. Yet when one thinks of Aksasa in general we think of space or vacuum. How can this have influence on us as it is without dimension and is everywhere throughout the cosmos? I fact it IS DIMENSION that holds everything else. Could it be when we think of Aksasa we need to look at: Cidakasa or atma svarupa or conscious space; Cittakasa or mind space; Bhutakasa or element space and not just Aksasa on its own? For Guru to have influence , it must be more then vacuuum … Thoughts on this? Pranams, Frank in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 Vacuum is sunya, emptiness, lack of akash or zero. From Shunya came akash, then vayu then agni, jala and prthvi. Akash (space/ether) is something that is, that exists, it is not vacuum. I think translations are harsh sometimes and also relative to understanding. I think you are hitting the nail in the head when you say it is the dimension holding everything else, it is the space that we exist in. It is the space that is in us. It is the space that can be harmonious or inharmonious. The Yoga of the time of birth is ruled by Jupiter, that planet will show how well you interact with others (what space you are creating with other people). So the akash of an individual can be observed by the harmony (or lack of) around them. Jupiter relates to akash in that it is everywhere holding everything and in everything. In Ayurvedic psychology the akash relates to the Atma, while the vayu relates to the Chitta, and agni relates to the Buddhi, jala to the manas, and Prthvi to the ahamkara; the five aspects of mind. Another name for Jupiter which Parasara uses is Jiva. The Jivatma (individual soul) is seen from Jupiter. According to Parasara the Sun represents the Sarvatma (the soul of All). I would just share some recent thoughts: BKS Iyengar talks much about balancing the five elements with asana. He constantly talks of creating Akasha in the body through proper alignment which creates space in the muscles and joints. I recently saw a yogi/author talking about creating Vayu in the joints; but air on a physical level is vata and if this is in your joints you would have painful arthritis. Iyengar speaks of Akash, not Vayu being created in the body. And he uses awareness invoked from alignment to bring that Akasha into the body. [so on a higher level it is not chitta that is being brought into the body, it is atma that is being brought into the body, Jiva/Guru that is being brought into the body. This awakens Pratibha (the inner Guru guiding you).] fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego] Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:02 PM varahamihira |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva Hari Om Namaste. We know that Akasa element is owned by Guru. Yet when one thinks of Aksasa in general we think of space or vacuum. How can this have influence on us as it is without dimension and is everywhere throughout the cosmos? I fact it IS DIMENSION that holds everything else. Could it be when we think of Aksasa we need to look at: Cidakasa or atma svarupa or conscious space; Cittakasa or mind space; Bhutakasa or element space and not just Aksasa on its own? For Guru to have influence , it must be more then vacuuum . Thoughts on this? Pranams, Frank in San Diego |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 Hari Om Freedom, thank you for your eamil... The decerning mind has difficulty with comparing and contrasting Akasha (* space) from vacuum. We can do this in words and am comfortable with it. For Akasha is everywhere and we are never in the same space twice, as our solar system moves around the center of the galaxy and as our whole galaxy moves within this universe. IN the final analysis all *this* is pure consciousness and some of its qualities manifest as the tattvas ( Akasha being closest to it due to its ubquity).... If you can help with an example or two on how vacuum is different from Akasha it would be helpful - as I see it, Vacuum is " space " or Sunya = to emptyiness, with everything removed from it, leaving pure space - to me that is pure akasha. I see Sunya used more in Madhyamika Buddihism, and akasha found more in the Ved. Your insights are welcomed on these qualities if you have time. Frank in San Diego varahamihira , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote: > Vacuum is sunya, emptiness, lack of akash or zero. From Shunya came akash, > then vayu then agni, jala and prthvi. Akash (space/ether) is something that > is, that exists, it is not vacuum. I think translations are harsh sometimes > and also relative to understanding. > > I think you are hitting the nail in the head when you say it is the > dimension holding everything else, it is the space that we exist in. It is > the space that is in us. It is the space that can be harmonious or > inharmonious. The Yoga of the time of birth is ruled by Jupiter, that planet > will show how well you interact with others (what space you are creating > with other people). > > So the akash of an individual can be observed by the harmony (or lack of) > around them. > > Jupiter relates to akash in that it is everywhere holding everything and in > everything. > > In Ayurvedic psychology the akash relates to the Atma, while the vayu > relates to the Chitta, and agni relates to the Buddhi, jala to the manas, > and Prthvi to the ahamkara; the five aspects of mind. Another name for > Jupiter which Parasara uses is Jiva. The Jivatma (individual soul) is seen > from Jupiter. According to Parasara the Sun represents the Sarvatma (the > soul of All). > > I would just share some recent thoughts: > > BKS Iyengar talks much about balancing the five elements with asana. He > constantly talks of creating Akasha in the body through proper alignment > which creates space in the muscles and joints. I recently saw a yogi/author > talking about creating Vayu in the joints; but air on a physical level is > vata and if this is in your joints you would have painful arthritis. Iyengar > speaks of Akash, not Vayu being created in the body. And he uses awareness > invoked from alignment to bring that Akasha into the body. > [so on a higher level it is not chitta that is being brought into the body, > it is atma that is being brought into the body, Jiva/Guru that is being > brought into the body. This awakens Pratibha (the inner Guru guiding you).] > fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego@c...] > Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:02 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva > > > > Hari Om > > Namaste. > > We know that Akasa element is owned by Guru. Yet when one thinks of > Aksasa in general we think of space or vacuum. How can this have > influence on us as it is without dimension and is everywhere > throughout the cosmos? I fact it IS DIMENSION that holds everything > else. > Could it be when we think of Aksasa we need to look at: > Cidakasa or atma svarupa or conscious space; > Cittakasa or mind space; > Bhutakasa or element space and not just Aksasa on its own? > > For Guru to have influence , it must be more then vacuuum . > > Thoughts on this? > > Pranams, > Frank in San Diego > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Frank, I do not believe there is any such thing as Shunya, but let me try to bring out one of the differences anyway. Shunya " exists " before any creation, when the creative potential is inert. Akasha exists after creation, when the creative potential is manifest. Everything that is created must also end. i.e. All of creation is continuously undergoing change. Another word for " change " is " time " . If there is no change in the world, " time " loses all meaning! Time (or change) only occurs in creation. This is why we often see the word " time-space " or " space-time " , because these concepts are strongly linked. Now, it might be helpful to think of it this way: - Where shunya " exists " , time (time-space) does not exist. - Where akasha exists, time (time-space) does exist. To loop in Jyotisha, lets think of Saturn. - He represents the creator as Brahma. - He represents time as Mahakala. - Indeed, he represents time-space itself :-) ajit fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego] Monday, November 22, 2004 7:09 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva Hari Om Freedom, thank you for your eamil... The decerning mind has difficulty with comparing and contrasting Akasha (* space) from vacuum. We can do this in words and am comfortable with it. For Akasha is everywhere and we are never in the same space twice, as our solar system moves around the center of the galaxy and as our whole galaxy moves within this universe. IN the final analysis all *this* is pure consciousness and some of its qualities manifest as the tattvas ( Akasha being closest to it due to its ubquity).... If you can help with an example or two on how vacuum is different from Akasha it would be helpful - as I see it, Vacuum is " space " or Sunya = to emptyiness, with everything removed from it, leaving pure space - to me that is pure akasha. I see Sunya used more in Madhyamika Buddihism, and akasha found more in the Ved. Your insights are welcomed on these qualities if you have time. Frank in San Diego varahamihira , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote: > Vacuum is sunya, emptiness, lack of akash or zero. From Shunya came akash, > then vayu then agni, jala and prthvi. Akash (space/ether) is something that > is, that exists, it is not vacuum. I think translations are harsh sometimes > and also relative to understanding. > > I think you are hitting the nail in the head when you say it is the > dimension holding everything else, it is the space that we exist in. It is > the space that is in us. It is the space that can be harmonious or > inharmonious. The Yoga of the time of birth is ruled by Jupiter, that planet > will show how well you interact with others (what space you are creating > with other people). > > So the akash of an individual can be observed by the harmony (or lack of) > around them. > > Jupiter relates to akash in that it is everywhere holding everything and in > everything. > > In Ayurvedic psychology the akash relates to the Atma, while the vayu > relates to the Chitta, and agni relates to the Buddhi, jala to the manas, > and Prthvi to the ahamkara; the five aspects of mind. Another name for > Jupiter which Parasara uses is Jiva. The Jivatma (individual soul) is seen > from Jupiter. According to Parasara the Sun represents the Sarvatma (the > soul of All). > > I would just share some recent thoughts: > > BKS Iyengar talks much about balancing the five elements with asana. He > constantly talks of creating Akasha in the body through proper alignment > which creates space in the muscles and joints. I recently saw a yogi/author > talking about creating Vayu in the joints; but air on a physical level is > vata and if this is in your joints you would have painful arthritis. Iyengar > speaks of Akash, not Vayu being created in the body. And he uses awareness > invoked from alignment to bring that Akasha into the body. > [so on a higher level it is not chitta that is being brought into the body, > it is atma that is being brought into the body, Jiva/Guru that is being > brought into the body. This awakens Pratibha (the inner Guru guiding you).] > fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego@c...] > Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:02 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva > > > > Hari Om > > Namaste. > > We know that Akasa element is owned by Guru. Yet when one thinks of > Aksasa in general we think of space or vacuum. How can this have > influence on us as it is without dimension and is everywhere > throughout the cosmos? I fact it IS DIMENSION that holds everything > else. > Could it be when we think of Aksasa we need to look at: > Cidakasa or atma svarupa or conscious space; > Cittakasa or mind space; > Bhutakasa or element space and not just Aksasa on its own? > > For Guru to have influence , it must be more then vacuuum . > > Thoughts on this? > > Pranams, > Frank in San Diego > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Hare Rama Krsna I would like to stay practical. This is the definition I know and have seen for vacuum: vac·u·um Absence of matter. A space empty of matter. A space relatively empty of matter. A space in which the pressure is significantly lower than atmospheric pressure. A state of emptiness; a void. A state of being sealed off from external or environmental influences; isolation. pl. vac·uums A vacuum cleaner. adj. Of, relating to, or used to create a vacuum. Containing air or other gas at a reduced pressure. Operating by means of suction or by maintaining a partial vacuum. [Latin, empty space, from neuter of vacuus, empty, from vacre, to be empty. See eu- in Indo-European Roots.] ---------------- Now what does this have to do with Akasha itself or your understanding of it. Akash for our purposes is matter (not lack there of). It is subtle and refined but it is manifest. A vacuum is a negative space. Maybe you have seen the Buddhists use Shunya more than Vedic authors but it is a Sanskrit word that is used in ancient texts before the Buddha. It is even used by Patanjali. Remember that Buddha was first a Vedic Prince who was trained in traditional Vedic life and vocabulary (though he later gave many his own interpretation). He was also well trained in Ayurveda and Samkhya, before he went out on his own. Most of his original teachings are given in the traditional Vedic format for his era, even though he was not teaching Vedas. Akasha is a tattva, Shunya is lack of tattvas (what is before tattvas). Namah Sivaya fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego] Monday, November 22, 2004 10:09 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva Hari Om Freedom, thank you for your eamil... The decerning mind has difficulty with comparing and contrasting Akasha (* space) from vacuum. We can do this in words and am comfortable with it. For Akasha is everywhere and we are never in the same space twice, as our solar system moves around the center of the galaxy and as our whole galaxy moves within this universe. IN the final analysis all *this* is pure consciousness and some of its qualities manifest as the tattvas ( Akasha being closest to it due to its ubquity).... If you can help with an example or two on how vacuum is different from Akasha it would be helpful - as I see it, Vacuum is " space " or Sunya = to emptyiness, with everything removed from it, leaving pure space - to me that is pure akasha. I see Sunya used more in Madhyamika Buddihism, and akasha found more in the Ved. Your insights are welcomed on these qualities if you have time. Frank in San Diego varahamihira , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote: > Vacuum is sunya, emptiness, lack of akash or zero. From Shunya came akash, > then vayu then agni, jala and prthvi. Akash (space/ether) is something that > is, that exists, it is not vacuum. I think translations are harsh sometimes > and also relative to understanding. > > I think you are hitting the nail in the head when you say it is the > dimension holding everything else, it is the space that we exist in. It is > the space that is in us. It is the space that can be harmonious or > inharmonious. The Yoga of the time of birth is ruled by Jupiter, that planet > will show how well you interact with others (what space you are creating > with other people). > > So the akash of an individual can be observed by the harmony (or lack of) > around them. > > Jupiter relates to akash in that it is everywhere holding everything and in > everything. > > In Ayurvedic psychology the akash relates to the Atma, while the vayu > relates to the Chitta, and agni relates to the Buddhi, jala to the manas, > and Prthvi to the ahamkara; the five aspects of mind. Another name for > Jupiter which Parasara uses is Jiva. The Jivatma (individual soul) is seen > from Jupiter. According to Parasara the Sun represents the Sarvatma (the > soul of All). > > I would just share some recent thoughts: > > BKS Iyengar talks much about balancing the five elements with asana. He > constantly talks of creating Akasha in the body through proper alignment > which creates space in the muscles and joints. I recently saw a yogi/author > talking about creating Vayu in the joints; but air on a physical level is > vata and if this is in your joints you would have painful arthritis. Iyengar > speaks of Akash, not Vayu being created in the body. And he uses awareness > invoked from alignment to bring that Akasha into the body. > [so on a higher level it is not chitta that is being brought into the body, > it is atma that is being brought into the body, Jiva/Guru that is being > brought into the body. This awakens Pratibha (the inner Guru guiding you).] > > > > > > > > fls999999999 [frank_in_sandiego@c...] > Sunday, November 21, 2004 3:02 PM > varahamihira > |Sri Varaha| Akasa Tattva > > > > Hari Om > > Namaste. > > We know that Akasa element is owned by Guru. Yet when one thinks of > Aksasa in general we think of space or vacuum. How can this have > influence on us as it is without dimension and is everywhere > throughout the cosmos? I fact it IS DIMENSION that holds everything > else. > Could it be when we think of Aksasa we need to look at: > Cidakasa or atma svarupa or conscious space; > Cittakasa or mind space; > Bhutakasa or element space and not just Aksasa on its own? > > For Guru to have influence , it must be more then vacuuum . > > Thoughts on this? > > Pranams, > Frank in San Diego > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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