Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

Regards/Jay Weiss

===============Mail==================

<jayhw

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Hi Jay,

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

I doubt it!

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

All the best

R.

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove

ourselves right is by collecting ALL

the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters

and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss

[jayhw]

28 December 2004 22:20

;

vedic astrology ; varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Over 60000

dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the

same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and

even more for the astrological community.

 

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of

interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: " I don't know - I have no answer

to that as it is beyond me "

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th

disaster with regard to our " collective destiny " mail exchange, and

now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives

of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and

babies alike.

 

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this

astrologically ?

 

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence

/ destiny in their charts ?

 

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was

no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster

on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense

once and for all ?

 

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om

Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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ASTROLOGY IS A LOT LIKE WEATHER FORECASTING.

WITH ALL OF OUR SOPHISTICATED TECHNOLOGY IT IS STILL, AT BEST, GENERAL

IN ITS ACCURACY.

TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE INFINITE WISDOM OF HEAVEN, THE GROUP KARMA

OF NATIONS OR PARTS OF THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY IS, AT BEST, A SPECULATION

AND THAT LEVEL OF FOREKNOWLEDGE WOULD DEPEND UPON THE MAGNITUDE OF

CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE INDIVIDUAL FORECASTER.

TO SAY THAT A PHYSICIAN SHOULD GIVE UP PRACTICING MEDICINE BECAUSE THEY

DO NOT UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT THE HUMAN BODY (A

MIRACLE OF COMPLEXITY) IS TO EXPECT NOTHING LESS THAN PERFECT KNOWLEDGE

THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TO FIND FAULT IN THIS IMPERFECT WORLD

BECAUSE IT IS MADE UP OF LESS THAN PERFECT PEOPLE

IF WE WERE PERFECT WE WOULD NOT BE ON THE PLANET

" LIFE IS IN SESSION, ARE YOU PRESENT? "

WE ARE IN CLASS, THE SCHOOL OF LIFE

WE ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHICH SURROUNDS US

THERE ARE MUCH GREATER CYCLES OF EVOLUTION OF WHICH WE ARE ENGAGED

THAN WE EVEN HAVE A CLUE OF

WE ARE LIKE ANTS UNAWARE OF HUMANS

SOMEONE STEPS ON OUR ANT HILL AND MANY OF OUR FELLOW ANTS DIE

AND THE SURVIVING ANTS CRY OUT " WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE SEE THIS COMING? "

WELL, IF YOU HAVE NO AWARENESS OF HUMANS HOW CAN YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE

APPROACHING YOUR ANT HILL?

WE ALL DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, OUR LIMITED

AWARENESS, OUR LESS THAN OMNISCIENT ABILITIES AND ALL OF OUR OTHER

HUMAN FRAILTIES.

DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD GIVE UP TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, TRYING TO LEARN

OR ATTEMPTING TO ADVANCE OUR SOCIETY TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CIVILITY?

LIFE IS AN ACT OF FAITH

PLEASE DON'T LOSE FAITH JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE OR SOME GROUP FAILS TO

KNOW THE ANSWER, FAILS TO ACHIEVE AN OBJECTIVE OR FAILS TO KNOW GOD.

THE QUESTION WE MUST ASK IS, IS OUR HEART IN THE RIGHT PLACE?

IS IT A NOBLE OBJECTIVE?

DO WE SEEK TRUETH?

THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL MAKE MISTAKES

WE WILL MAKE MISTAKES

THE QUESTION IS, WILL WE RECOGNIZE OUR MISTAKES AND ATTEMPT RECOVERY.

WE LEARN MORE FROM OUR FAILURES THAN WE DO FROM OUR SUCCESSES IN LIFE

OUR BODIES ARE FINITE YET OUR SOULS ARE INFINITE

OUR KNOWLEDGE IN THESE BODIES IS FINITE

OUR SOUL'S DESTINY IS INFINITE

60,000 LIVES WERE LOST

60,000 SOULS WERE NOT LOST

LIFE IS IN SESSION, ARE WE PRESENT?

YES, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.....

 

On Tuesday, December 28, 2004, at 03:20 PM, Jay Weiss wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>  

> Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same

> person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

> This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and

> even more for the astrological community.

> Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of

> interest.

>  

> My reply to him was simple: " I don't know - I have no answer to that

> as it is beyond me "

> Regards

> /Jay Weiss

> ===============Mail==================

> <jayhw

> Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

> Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

> destiny ?

>  

> Hi Jay,

>  

> Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to

> our " collective destiny " mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami

> in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from

> different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies

> alike.

> How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this

> astrologically ?

> Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in

> their charts ?

> There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no

> astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a

> disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian

> religious holiday.

> What does God (?) have to say to that ?

>  

> Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and

> for all ?

> Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

> I doubt it!

>  

> I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

> All the best

> R.

> (Jay: name was removed by me)

>  

>  

>

>

> |Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

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>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions

jumbled into one.

Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while

attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already

past, barring academic interest.

It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these

persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also

survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a

family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and

not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not

having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with

veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me

right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on

that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that

disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when

H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that

the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for

interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

 

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with

astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can

not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum

in any astrological text.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

 

 

Warm regards

/Jay

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Visti Larsen

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

Subject:

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately,

the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who

were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury

indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss

[jayhw]

28 December

2004 22:20

To:

; vedic astrology ;

varahamihira

|Sri

Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a

friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the

Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very challanging for many God

believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

 

Please read this short mail below and comment

if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I

have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

9:12 PM

 

 

Over 60000 dead

in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since

the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny"

mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which

took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and

nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

 

How can you or any of

your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

 

Did all those individuals

have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

 

There is no way astrology

can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world

who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by

the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does God (?) have to

say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to

discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

 

Can you produce a sound

logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words

will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrashekhar.,

 

Well, I suppose that my friend was at a state of confusion/shock/anger/bitterness/etc., which is the same as he was after the 9/11, and I don't blame him as I am sure he was/is not the only one around in that state these days, asking many questions and getting even more confused.

He, like many others, although opposing astrology, still tries to test it's validity whenever possible.

This Tsunami was one of those opportunities.

 

Please read my personal comments below in [***].

 

Kind regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:12 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

[***] Indeed a point, but isn't it often the case (some die some survive) ?

Secondly, you imply that more than 80000 people had yogas for death in their chart, and the same death date & time simultaneously, is none confirmable practice and as such can only remain a speculative theory (pardon my words if it sound provocative) until otherwise proven.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general.

 

[***] So that is maybe so many try making all kind of predictions and fail ? (pardon again if it sound provocative)

 

So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

[***] Are you implying that there is a connection here between this disaster, which affected many nations, also none Asian, and internal Indian politics ?

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.

 

[***] As far as I am aware of, that is NOT the perception of a true Christian.

/Jay

Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dear Jay,

This Tsunami IS a good oppourtunity. A teachable moment as they say in education. With 11 countries affected, multiple impact times ( each wave ) should we find the earthquake data, accurate time and place ? Do you have this?

 

kind regards

Rosemary

 

-

Jay Weiss

varahamihira

Cc: Chandrashekhar

Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:20 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Chandrashekhar.,

 

Well, I suppose that my friend was at a state of confusion/shock/anger/bitterness/etc., which is the same as he was after the 9/11, and I don't blame him as I am sure he was/is not the only one around in that state these days, asking many questions and getting even more confused.

He, like many others, although opposing astrology, still tries to test it's validity whenever possible.

This Tsunami was one of those opportunities.

 

Please read my personal comments below in [***].

 

Kind regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:12 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

[***] Indeed a point, but isn't it often the case (some die some survive) ?

Secondly, you imply that more than 80000 people had yogas for death in their chart, and the same death date & time simultaneously, is none confirmable practice and as such can only remain a speculative theory (pardon my words if it sound provocative) until otherwise proven.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general.

 

[***] So that is maybe so many try making all kind of predictions and fail ? (pardon again if it sound provocative)

 

So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

[***] Are you implying that there is a connection here between this disaster, which affected many nations, also none Asian, and internal Indian politics ?

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.

 

[***] As far as I am aware of, that is NOT the perception of a true Christian.

/Jay Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rosemary,

 

The Actual reported earthquakes data is:

26th December 2004 at 00:58 (GMT), at 3N298, 95E779 (.xxx are decimals).

 

I do not have any exact data of tsunami shore impact but I am sure they will pop-up on the net in the next days.

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Rosemary Innes-Jones

varahamihira

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:51 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,

This Tsunami IS a good oppourtunity. A teachable moment as they say in education. With 11 countries affected, multiple impact times ( each wave ) should we find the earthquake data, accurate time and place ? Do you have this?

 

kind regards

Rosemary

 

-

Jay Weiss

varahamihira

Cc: Chandrashekhar

Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:20 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Chandrashekhar.,

 

Well, I suppose that my friend was at a state of confusion/shock/anger/bitterness/etc., which is the same as he was after the 9/11, and I don't blame him as I am sure he was/is not the only one around in that state these days, asking many questions and getting even more confused.

He, like many others, although opposing astrology, still tries to test it's validity whenever possible.

This Tsunami was one of those opportunities.

 

Please read my personal comments below in [***].

 

Kind regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:12 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

[***] Indeed a point, but isn't it often the case (some die some survive) ?

Secondly, you imply that more than 80000 people had yogas for death in their chart, and the same death date & time simultaneously, is none confirmable practice and as such can only remain a speculative theory (pardon my words if it sound provocative) until otherwise proven.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general.

 

[***] So that is maybe so many try making all kind of predictions and fail ? (pardon again if it sound provocative)

 

So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

[***] Are you implying that there is a connection here between this disaster, which affected many nations, also none Asian, and internal Indian politics ?

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.

 

[***] As far as I am aware of, that is NOT the perception of a true Christian.

/Jay Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Hi there Jay,

 

My comments to your pal's mail, fwiw.

 

> Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard

to our " collective destiny " mail exchange, and now this horrible

Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people

from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and

babies alike.

> How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this

astrologically ?

> Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in

their charts ?

 

Yes they did. It's not any lesser or more plausible than a story of a

tsunami killing people so far flung from each other.

 

> There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no

astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a

disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian

religious holiday.

 

Astrology may not be the best tool for en masse event prognoses or

analyses, but the fact that no astrologer could predict such an event

doesn't make astrology itself any poorer. Though 99% of the

astrologers give the rest a bad name, even you'll admit that they get

it far more right far more often than, say, seismologists; yet the

latest list of doctorates in seismology would run up a ream of paper.

And what about the proximity to a Christian religious holiday - what

does that have to do with it?

 

> What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

No comment. Atheist is atheist speaks.

 

> Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once

and for all ? Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

I doubt it!

 

How can there be a logical explanation for something that a group of

people didn't do?

 

> I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

I hope so too. You never know when an astrologer is the only one

you'd want to call

 

Cheers,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

[Guest guest]

Dear Jay,

My comments are below yours, in blue.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Jay Weiss wrote:

 

Dear Chandrashekhar.,

 

Well,

I suppose that my friend was at a state of

confusion/shock/anger/bitterness/etc., which is the same as he was

after the 9/11, and I don't blame him as I am sure

he was/is not the only one around in that state these days, asking many

questions and getting even more confused.

He,

like many others, although opposing astrology, still tries to test it's

validity whenever possible.

This

Tsunami was one of those opportunities.

 

Please read my personal comments

below in [***].

 

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Chandrashekhar

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:12 PM

Subject:

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear Jay,

If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions

jumbled into one.

Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while

attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already

past, barring academic interest.

It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these

persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also

survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a

family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

 

 

[***] Indeed a

point, but isn't it often the case (some die some survive) ?

Secondly,

you imply that more than 80000 people had yogas for death in their

chart, and the same death date & time simultaneously, is none

confirmable practice and as such can only remain a speculative theory

(pardon my words if it sound provocative) until otherwise proven.

 

 

It is necessary to be dispassionate if

one has to understand science. More so in case of a Divine science.

Either one believes in a science or one does not. If death occurs at a

time indicated by certain planetary combinations, it follows that all

those who die would have yoga in their chart. What one tends to forget

is that not all 80,000 said to have died died in identical

circumstancea, places and times. Once we understand this the figufre

80,000 looses its significance.It is about .000166666% of the

population of the world, if we assume all died in same instance place

and circumstance, which they did not so the percentage is mimiscule.

One need not get confused with figures without understanding them.

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and

not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general.

 

[***] So that is

maybe so many try making all kind of predictions and fail ? (pardon

again if it sound provocative)

Dear Jay, nothing provocative about

what you have said. The science and the sages are clear about this.

That is why the one who queries is called Jataka. Making predictions on

the basis of Samhitas for nations is possible, but again there has to

be some reference and some querist. One thing has to be remembered and

that is, the boundaries in the days of science being written were

different than those in existence today. If you remember this then some

apparent contradictions would no longer be contradictions.

 

 

 

 

 

So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to

do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory

serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things

happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had

said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by

Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting

to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was

called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

 

[***] Are you implying

that there is a connection here between this disaster, which affected

many nations, also none Asian, and internal Indian politics ?

I have already indicated the reason in

last part of answer above. Indian Kingdom was spread over most of the

parts affected, in the days of Ramraja of Chola dynasty. If you

remember that the temple at Angkor wat is a Shiva temple, my reference

would be clear. What is abeing viewed today as Asia or non Asia has

nothing to do with the Bharatvarsha of which the Samhitas and Hora

shastra speaks.Deluge of waters destroying Kings who had turned

persecutors of religions, is nothing new, even Pharohas and their

citizens perished in like manner when they were persecut8ing Moses and

his tribe, in recent history.

 

 

 

 

 

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection

with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster

can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a

dictum in any astrological text.

 

[***] As far as I

am aware of, that is NOT the perception of a true Christian.

 

 

I could not understand what you meant. Presumably

you mean what I did. I merely commented as that is what your friend had

implied.

Chandrashekhar.

 

/Jay

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

 

 

Warm regards

/Jay

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Visti Larsen

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

Subject:

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately,

the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who

were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury

indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw]

 

28

December 2004 22:20

;

vedic astrology ;

varahamihira

|Sri

Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a

friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the

Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very challanging for many God

believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

 

Please read this short mail below and comment

if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I

have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

9:12 PM

 

 

Over 60000 dead

in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since

the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny"

mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which

took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and

nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

 

How can you or any of

your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

 

Did all those individuals

have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

 

There is no way astrology

can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world

who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by

the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does God (?) have to

say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to

discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

 

Can you produce a sound

logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words

will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrashekhar,

 

Thanks for your comments - I have forwarded your mail to my friend.

It was good of you to mention the biblical event of the Israelites Exodus from Egypt which is another phenomena that many have tried to understand and/or explain for generations.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

 

-

Chandrashekhar

Jay Weiss

Cc: varahamihira

Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:11 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

Dear Jay,My comments are below yours, in blue.Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar.,

 

Well, I suppose that my friend was at a state of confusion/shock/anger/bitterness/etc., which is the same as he was after the 9/11, and I don't blame him as I am sure he was/is not the only one around in that state these days, asking many questions and getting even more confused.

He, like many others, although opposing astrology, still tries to test it's validity whenever possible.

This Tsunami was one of those opportunities.

 

Please read my personal comments below in [***].

 

Kind regards/Jay Weiss

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:12 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

[***] Indeed a point, but isn't it often the case (some die some survive) ?

Secondly, you imply that more than 80000 people had yogas for death in their chart, and the same death date & time simultaneously, is none confirmable practice and as such can only remain a speculative theory (pardon my words if it sound provocative) until otherwise proven.

 

It is necessary to be dispassionate if one has to understand science. More so in case of a Divine science. Either one believes in a science or one does not. If death occurs at a time indicated by certain planetary combinations, it follows that all those who die would have yoga in their chart. What one tends to forget is that not all 80,000 said to have died died in identical circumstancea, places and times. Once we understand this the figufre 80,000 looses its significance.It is about .000166666% of the population of the world, if we assume all died in same instance place and circumstance, which they did not so the percentage is mimiscule. One need not get confused with figures without understanding them.An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general.

 

[***] So that is maybe so many try making all kind of predictions and fail ? (pardon again if it sound provocative)

Dear Jay, nothing provocative about what you have said. The science and the sages are clear about this. That is why the one who queries is called Jataka. Making predictions on the basis of Samhitas for nations is possible, but again there has to be some reference and some querist. One thing has to be remembered and that is, the boundaries in the days of science being written were different than those in existence today. If you remember this then some apparent contradictions would no longer be contradictions.

 

 

So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

[***] Are you implying that there is a connection here between this disaster, which affected many nations, also none Asian, and internal Indian politics ?

I have already indicated the reason in last part of answer above. Indian Kingdom was spread over most of the parts affected, in the days of Ramraja of Chola dynasty. If you remember that the temple at Angkor wat is a Shiva temple, my reference would be clear. What is abeing viewed today as Asia or non Asia has nothing to do with the Bharatvarsha of which the Samhitas and Hora shastra speaks.Deluge of waters destroying Kings who had turned persecutors of religions, is nothing new, even Pharohas and their citizens perished in like manner when they were persecut8ing Moses and his tribe, in recent history.

 

 

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.

 

[***] As far as I am aware of, that is NOT the perception of a true Christian.I could not understand what you meant. Presumably you mean what I did. I merely commented as that is what your friend had implied.Chandrashekhar.

 

/Jay Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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- N. Anna

varahamihira

Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:33 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Jay,dear Visti,

I am wondering if Visti really thinks this disaster is not worth/not possible?/ astrological reasoning?Visti, I see you can surprise me, still! And why don't we have even attempts to at least post-factum get some astro-thoughts, at LEAST. Why is 60000 chart needed? Do we need the charts of all 9/11 victims, of all victims of any massive tragedy? I would definitively say NO- I've become aware of the existence of not only individual karma, but karmas of the families, nations, locations...many years ago. No doubt this questions cred-ability of astrology as we put it here, but I guess we all feel that despite all, it's worth doing it.

 

Chandrashekhar's writing doesn't sound strange to me, at all- I know it sounds more 'metaphysical, more 'speculative' than astrologers would like to hear, but cannot see the reason why astrology with its obvious weaknesses wouldn't include that 'option' in it's reasoning? Universe, God, have their way to deliver the message, justice working on a different level from what we perceive, which may not /always/ever?/ be part of any known formula- but I believe it does tend to establish equilibrium, no matter how painful the cost could be..

Saddened, but curious,

with thrust in God, as ever,

Anna

 

 

-

Jay Weiss

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:56 PM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com/

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chandrashekar et al,

With all due respect, this power play involving religious leaders and the state, is in my opinion, taking on more energy than it is due. You knew full well after the last election the Left would try to shut you blokes down. They may very well succeed if you don't pull your socks up and start behaving with some semblance of dignified sensibility.

A beautiful philosophy which has withstood centuries of oppression is not about to disappear now.

Sit comfortably, take a deep breathe and allow the enormity of the tsunami disaster to wash over you. Leave the concerns and safety of your own nest and try to comprehend the ramifications.

Whole generations have been wiped out in Sumatra alone. It will take decades to rebuild socially. We may not even witness healing in our lifetime.

Have you become so comfortable in predicting 'God's Will', that 'karmic interpretation' has become cold, distorted and callous?. "Dispassionate" does not carry the emotional overtones of self-righteousness, self-satisfaction and vengeful gloating.

When the awful news first broke, I said to my daughter "at least religious fanatics won't be able to argue they have God on their side".

I don't mean to sound angry, I'm not. I am sadly disappointed.

Just what needs to happen to jerk us into feeling and providing comfort, support and love to each other?.

Om Tat Sat

Love, Ann.

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:12 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ann,

I do not understand what you mean by "Left trying to shut you blokes

down". We were discussing some sound principles of astrology here. If

you are a leftist, that is your personal belief and I do not understand

what has that to do with astrology.

Across religions, deluge of water following religious persecution is

recorded. Samhitas and other texts also talk about this. I do not

understand why killing of innocents by bombing them is less worthy of

people's sympathy than getting killed by natural calamities, as is

being implied by you.

Chandrashekhar.

 

Ann Murphy wrote:

 

Kleem Datta Guru

Namaste Listmembers

 

Dear Chandrashekar et al,

With all due respect, this power play involving religious leaders and

the state, is in my opinion, taking on more energy than it is due. You

knew full well after the last election the Left would try to shut you

blokes down. They may very well succeed if you don't pull your socks up

and start behaving with some semblance of dignified sensibility.

A beautiful philosophy which has

withstood centuries of oppression is not about to disappear now.

Sit comfortably, take a deep

breathe and allow the enormity of the tsunami disaster to wash over

you. Leave the concerns and safety of your own nest and try to

comprehend the ramifications.

Whole generations have been wiped

out in Sumatra alone. It will take decades to rebuild socially. We may

not even witness healing in our lifetime.

Have you become so comfortable in

predicting 'God's Will', that 'karmic interpretation' has become cold,

distorted and callous?. "Dispassionate" does not carry the emotional

overtones of self-righteousness, self-satisfaction and vengeful

gloating.

When the awful news first broke,

I said to my daughter "at least religious fanatics won't be able to

argue they have God on their side".

I don't mean to sound angry, I'm

not. I am sadly disappointed.

Just what needs to happen to

jerk us into feeling and providing comfort, support and love to each

other?.

Om Tat Sat

Love, Ann.

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Chandrashekhar

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:12 AM

Subject:

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear Jay,

If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions

jumbled into one.

Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while

attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already

past, barring academic interest.

It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these

persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also

survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a

family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and

not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not

having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with

veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me

right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on

that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that

disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when

H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that

the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for

interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

 

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with

astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can

not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum

in any astrological text.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

 

 

Warm regards

/Jay

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Visti Larsen

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

Subject:

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately,

the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who

were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury

indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw]

 

28

December 2004 22:20

;

vedic astrology ;

varahamihira

|Sri

Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a

friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the

Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very challanging for many God

believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

 

Please read this short mail below and comment

if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I

have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

9:12 PM

 

 

Over 60000 dead

in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since

the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny"

mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which

took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and

nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

 

How can you or any of

your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

 

Did all those individuals

have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

 

There is no way astrology

can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world

who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by

the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does God (?) have to

say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to

discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

 

Can you produce a sound

logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words

will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Anna, Namaskar

I’m sorry. I’m sorry for all

those who died and sorry for their loved ones who have to bear witness.

This is too big for me to talk about so

soon, it could hurt too many peoples feelings.

My hasty response to Jay and someone on the

vedic astrology list was to try and dispell some misconceptions.

Maybe give it a week or so, then I could

put up a mail on the reason behind the incident.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A.R.

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60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

N. Anna

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Thursday, December 30, 2004

2:33 AM

 

 

Re: |Sri Varaha|

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jay,dear Visti,

 

 

I am wondering if Visti really thinks this disaster is not worth/not

possible?/ astrological reasoning?Visti, I see you can surprise me,

still! And why don't we have even attempts to at least post-factum

get some astro-thoughts, at LEAST. Why is 60000 chart needed? Do we need

the charts of all 9/11 victims, of all victims of any massive tragedy? I

would definitively say NO- I've become aware of the existence of not only

individual karma, but karmas of the families, nations, locations...many years

ago. No doubt this questions cred-ability of astrology as we put it

here, but I guess we all feel that despite all, it's worth doing it.

 

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar's writing doesn't sound strange to me, at all-

I know it sounds more 'metaphysical, more 'speculative' than astrologers would

like to hear, but cannot see the reason why astrology with its obvious

weaknesses wouldn't include that 'option' in it's reasoning? Universe, God,

have their way to deliver the message, justice working on a different level

from what we perceive, which may not /always/ever?/ be part of any known

formula- but I believe it does tend to establish equilibrium, no matter

how painful the cost could be..

 

 

Saddened, but curious,

 

 

with thrust in God, as ever,

 

 

Anna

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

 

 

Jay Weiss

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

4:56 PM

 

 

Re: |Sri Varaha|

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

 

 

 

 

With all due respect that was " an easy way out " ...

 

 

 

Warm regards

 

 

/Jay

 

 

 

-

 

 

Visti

Larsen

 

 

varahamihira

 

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

10:33 PM

 

 

RE: |Sri Varaha|

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by

collecting ALL

the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger

from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com/

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw]

28 December 2004 22:20

;

vedic astrology ; varahamihira

|Sri Varaha| Over 60000

dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved

the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar

question after the Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very

challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the

astrological community.

 

 

Please read this

short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him

was simple: " I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond

me "

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Sent:

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

9:12 PM

 

 

Subject:

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest

my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our

" collective destiny " mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in

South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different

countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

 

How can you

or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

 

Did all

those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their

charts ?

 

 

There is no

way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire

world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by

the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does

God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it

about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

 

Can you

produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my

harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was

removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om

Tat Sat|

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om gurave namah Dear Ann

I share in the sorrow. What is most terrible is that while India and Sri Lanka have lost considerable lives, Sumatra is totally altered. Nothing remains. What is an eyeopener for me is that 'pralaya' is a reality that will one day happen and all our attempts to preserve knowledge is goingto fail simply because it lacks the strength of 'OM'. If it has the strength of OM, the word, then we should not be worrying at all as it cannot be destroyed...I join you in saying 'om tat sat'.

Let us draw a chart for the moment of the earthquake and see for ourselves the placement of Mercury, its link to Mars and the reasons for Sri Varuna to become so violent.

Forget the other issues as we are all human and have emotions which proves that as Jyotishis we still have a heart intact somewhere.

With kind regards,

Sanjay Rath

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SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India

Phone: +91.6752.226269

 

 

 

Ann Murphy [evie1] Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:59 PMvarahamihira Cc: Ann MurphyRe: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

Kleem Datta Guru

Namaste Listmembers

 

Dear Chandrashekar et al,

With all due respect, this power play involving religious leaders and the state, is in my opinion, taking on more energy than it is due. You knew full well after the last election the Left would try to shut you blokes down. They may very well succeed if you don't pull your socks up and start behaving with some semblance of dignified sensibility.

A beautiful philosophy which has withstood centuries of oppression is not about to disappear now.

Sit comfortably, take a deep breathe and allow the enormity of the tsunami disaster to wash over you. Leave the concerns and safety of your own nest and try to comprehend the ramifications.

Whole generations have been wiped out in Sumatra alone. It will take decades to rebuild socially. We may not even witness healing in our lifetime.

Have you become so comfortable in predicting 'God's Will', that 'karmic interpretation' has become cold, distorted and callous?. "Dispassionate" does not carry the emotional overtones of self-righteousness, self-satisfaction and vengeful gloating.

When the awful news first broke, I said to my daughter "at least religious fanatics won't be able to argue they have God on their side".

I don't mean to sound angry, I'm not. I am sadly disappointed.

Just what needs to happen to jerk us into feeling and providing comfort, support and love to each other?.

Om Tat Sat

Love, Ann.

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:12 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

===============Mail==================

 

<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dearest Visti,

/I wasn't reading messages for a long time-thus this late reply/

Thank you for this honest, disarming message- I realize that both

your evasiveness and my being too 'cerebral'/my 'escape' method/

however inadequate, are nothing but defense mechanism from pain.

Different responses- same source.

Sorry for my lack of empathy and understanding, dear Visti

/not common with me, believe me- unless I have to protect myself,

lol/

Love

Anna

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Visti Larsen " <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Anna, Namaskar

>

> I'm sorry. I'm sorry for all those who died and sorry for their

loved ones

> who have to bear witness.

>

> This is too big for me to talk about so soon, it could hurt too

many peoples

> feelings.

>

> My hasty response to Jay and someone on the vedic astrology list

was to try

> and dispell some misconceptions.

>

> Maybe give it a week or so, then I could put up a mail on the

reason behind

> the incident.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> http://srigaruda.com

>

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> A.R. [bonamente108]

> 01 January 2005 07:33

> varahamihira

> Fw: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with

the same

> horoscopic destiny ?

>

>

>

>

>

> -

>

> N. Anna <ar108@a...>

>

> varahamihira

>

> Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:33 AM

>

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with

the same

> horoscopic destiny ?

>

>

>

> Dear Jay,dear Visti,

>

> I am wondering if Visti really thinks this disaster is not

worth/not

> possible?/ astrological reasoning?Visti, I see you can surprise

me, still!

> And why don't we have even attempts to at least post-factum get

some

> astro-thoughts, at LEAST. Why is 60000 chart needed? Do we need

the charts

> of all 9/11 victims, of all victims of any massive tragedy? I would

> definitively say NO- I've become aware of the existence of not only

> individual karma, but karmas of the families, nations,

locations...many

> years ago. No doubt this questions cred-ability of astrology as we

put it

> here, but I guess we all feel that despite all, it's worth doing

it.

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar's writing doesn't sound strange to me, at all- I

know it

> sounds more 'metaphysical, more 'speculative' than astrologers

would like to

> hear, but cannot see the reason why astrology with its obvious

weaknesses

> wouldn't include that 'option' in it's reasoning? Universe, God,

have their

> way to deliver the message, justice working on a different level

from what

> we perceive, which may not /always/ever?/ be part of any known

formula- but

> I believe it does tend to establish equilibrium, no matter how

painful the

> cost could be..

>

> Saddened, but curious,

>

> with thrust in God, as ever,

>

> Anna

>

>

>

> -

>

> Jay Weiss <jayhw@t...>

>

> varahamihira

>

> Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:56 PM

>

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with

the same

> horoscopic destiny ?

>

>

>

> Dear Visti,

>

>

>

> With all due respect that was " an easy way out " ...

>

>

> Warm regards

>

> /Jay

>

> -

>

> Visti <visti@s...> Larsen

>

> varahamihira

>

> Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

>

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with

the same

> horoscopic destiny ?

>

>

>

>

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Jay, Namaskar

>

> Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by

collecting

> ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is

impossible.

>

> Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger

from

> water.

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> http://srigaruda.com/

>

> <visti@s...> visti@s...

_____

>

>

> Jay Weiss [jayhw@t...]

> 28 December 2004 22:20

> ; vedic astrology ;

> varahamihira

> |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the

same

> horoscopic destiny ?

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

>

>

> Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the

same person

> asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

>

> This is very challanging for many God believers around the world

and even

> more for the astrological community.

>

> Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything

of

> interest.

>

>

>

> My reply to him was simple: " I don't know - I have no answer to

that as it

> is beyond me "

>

> Regards

> /Jay Weiss

>

> ===============Mail==================

>

> < <jayhw@t...> jayhw@t...>

>

> Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

>

> Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

destiny ?

>

>

>

> Hi Jay,

>

>

>

> Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard

to our

> " collective destiny " mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami

in

> South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from

different

> countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

>

> How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this

astrologically ?

>

> Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny

in their

> charts ?

>

> There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no

astrologer

> in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster

on

> December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious

holiday.

>

> What does God (?) have to say to that ?

>

>

>

> Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once

and for

> all ?

>

> Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

>

> I doubt it!

>

>

>

> I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

>

> All the best

>

> R.

>

> (Jay: name was removed by me)

>

|Om Tat Sat|

> http://www.varahamihira

>

>

>

>

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