Over 60000 dead in Tsunami -Chandreshekher/+ to Visti

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OM BRIHASPATAYE NAMAH

 

Dear Chandrashekher,

 

Thankyou for your comments. I too intuitively understand this event to be linked to the persecution of religious leaders. H.H. Shankaracharya imprisonment is like imprisoning the Pope, which would cause an outrage in the west. The shankaracharya tradition though seems to go further than religion , to pure self-knowledge, as my weak understanding is so far.

Can you say what this spiritual path is seen as in planetary terms? Is it Moon and Mercury?

 

Kind regards

Rosemary

 

 

-

Chandrashekhar

varahamihira

Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:12 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

Dear Jay,If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions jumbled into one. Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already past, barring academic interest.It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for interrogation with an intent to arrest him.Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum in any astrological text.Chandrashekhar.Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

Warm regards

/Jay

 

-

Visti Larsen

varahamihira

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately, the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw] 28 December 2004 22:20 ; vedic astrology ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the Sep-11th event).

 

This is very challanging for many God believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

Please read this short mail below and comment if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

Regards/Jay Weiss

 

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<jayhw

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:12 PM

 

Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny" mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

How can you or any of your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

Did all those individuals have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

There is no way astrology can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

What does God (?) have to say to that ?

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

Can you produce a sound logical explanation this time ?

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words will not affect our friendship.

 

All the best

 

R.

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rosemary,

You have understood the essence of religion as well as Jyotish.

Shankaracharya tradition dates back to the times when Buddhist monks

were trying to negate the Hindu philosophy. Aadi Shankaracharya (The

first Shankaracharya), at a very young age started discussing

essentials of Dharma with all learned and won them over to the Hindu

Dharma and its essence. He virtually revived Hindu Dharma. He is said

to have been given 5 Sphatika (Quartz) Shiva Lingas by Lord Shiva

himself, which he established at 4 places, Dwaraka, Badri Nath,

Shringeri and Puri. These places were called Peethas. He then chose

young disciples trained them in all aspects of Hindu religion and

established them as the Jagatgurus Shankaracharyas of those Peethas.

The Last one he is said to have established at Kanchi Kamakoti Peetha.

All the Shankaracharyas are accepted by devout Hindus as the final

arbiters of tenets of Hindu religion. All of them are well versed in

all the Vedas and Vedanga. Every Peetha has one specialty or other and

Kanchi Kamakoti Peetha is said to be sarvagya Peetha. The successors

are located at very early age, generally following a divine command to

the Jagatguru.

 

In so far as the spiritual lineage and planets involved, I would say

Saturn and Jupiter would be more appropriate. Jupiter is religion

whereas Saturn represents deep philosophical and dispassionate analysis

of truth. Remember the Shankaracharya tradition is said to have

originated from Lord Shiva himself, who is the Aadya (Prime) Guru and

from whom we get the divine science of Jyotish.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

Rosemary Innes-Jones wrote:

 

OM BRIHASPATAYE NAMAH

 

Dear Chandrashekher,

 

Thankyou for your comments. I too

intuitively understand this event to be linked to the persecution of

religious leaders. H.H. Shankaracharya imprisonment is like imprisoning

the Pope, which would cause an outrage in the west. The shankaracharya

tradition though seems to go further than religion , to pure

self-knowledge, as my weak understanding is so far.

Can you say what this spiritual path

is seen as in planetary terms? Is it Moon and Mercury?

 

Kind regards

Rosemary

 

 

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Original Message -----

 

Chandrashekhar

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:12 AM

Subject:

Re: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

Dear Jay,

If I may attempt my hand, the friend of yours has too many questions

jumbled into one.

Let us take them one by one, explaining anything astrologically, while

attractive and possible serves no purpose after an event is already

past, barring academic interest.

It is obvious, at least astrologically and logically, that all of these

persons who perished had yogas for death. This is more so, as many also

survived at the same place and time. For example disaster striking a

family did not kill all family members, one or two did survive.

 

An astrologer, at least the Vedic one is supposed to answer a query and

not just go on looking for predictions to be made in general. So not

having predicted in advance or otherwise has nothing to do with

veracity of the science. As a matter of fact, if my memory serves me

right, some astrologers had predicted some unusual things happening on

that day, including natural disasters. Others like me had said that

disasters could strike if religious heads are persecuted by Kings, when

H.H. Shankaracharya was arrested by Govt.It is interesting to note that

the disaster struck on the day the Junior Pontiff too was called for

interrogation with an intent to arrest him.

 

Disaster striking on a Christian holiday has not connection with

astrology. Emotionally it might be alright to think that disaster can

not strike on Christian holidays, but I have yet to find such a dictum

in any astrological text.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

Jay Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

With all due respect that was "an easy way out"...

 

 

Warm regards

/Jay

 

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

Visti Larsen

To:

varahamihira

 

Sent:

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:33 PM

Subject:

RE: |Sri Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same

horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Jay, Namaskar

Unfortunately,

the only way we can prove ourselves right is by collecting ALL the horoscopes of all the people who

were affected. This is impossible.

Btw. Mercury

indicates natural disasters and Moon indicates danger from water.

Best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com

visti

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Weiss [jayhw]

 

28

December 2004 22:20

;

vedic astrology ;

varahamihira

|Sri

Varaha| Over 60000 dead in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic

destiny ?

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Today I recieved the following mail from a

friend of mine (the same person asked a similar question after the

Sep-11th event).

 

 

This is very challanging for many God

believers around the world and even more for the astrological community.

 

 

Please read this short mail below and comment

if you have anything of interest.

 

 

 

 

 

My reply to him was simple: "I don't know - I

have no answer to that as it is beyond me"

 

 

Regards

/Jay Weiss

 

 

===============Mail==================

 

 

<jayhw

 

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004

9:12 PM

 

 

Over 60000 dead

in Tsunami - all with the same horoscopic destiny ?

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Jay,

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't rest my mind since

the September 11th disaster with regard to our "collective destiny"

mail exchange, and now this horrible Tsunami in South-East Asia which

took more than 60000 lives of people from different countries and

nationalities; adults as children and babies alike.

 

 

How can you or any of

your astrologer friends explain this astrologically ?

 

 

Did all those individuals

have the same death sentence / destiny in their charts ?

 

 

There is no way astrology

can explain that just as there was no astrologer in the entire world

who could predict and warn of such a disaster on December 26, which by

the way suppose to be a Christian religious holiday.

 

 

What does God (?) have to

say to that ?

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't it about time to

discard all the astrological nonsense once and for all ?

 

 

Can you produce a sound

logical explanation this time ?

 

 

I doubt it!

 

 

 

 

 

I hope my harsh words

will not affect our friendship.

 

 

All the best

 

 

R.

 

 

(Jay: name was removed by me)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

 

 

 

 

 

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