Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbiawww.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah Dear Zoran, Thanks alot for your answers and effort. Best Regards, Kanupriya.Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbiawww.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Lakshmi/Visti/Jyotisas, I have been pondering on the 2nd from UL and the motivation comes from my own chart where the UL is Leo with the UL lord in the 2nd from UL along with the darakaraka Me and the 7th lord Ve! My lagna is Sc with Ju in it, Mo in 2nd, Ma & Ra in 3rd, Sa® in 7th, Ke in 9th. Although I am single, I have been trying to figure out the implications of such a combo with reference to UL...please guide me to figure it out...perhaps I am mixing up too many principles here? regards Hari varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Visti, > > I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. > > Please correct me. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar Guruji always builds on our foundation with time when we are ready for more. He taught later that rightly a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will sustain the marital contract, but if it is enmical towards the planet in UL then it can cause separation in the couple. i.e. Rahu in UL and Jupiter in the 2nd. In one case this caused the couple to separate on the wedding day, but the divorce did not happen until 16 years after!.. Thats Jupiter. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] 11 March 2005 17:08 varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. Please correct me. Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Zoran, Namaskar Just an extra note. Sun will always support dharma and hence also the upapada... Unless the Upapada is not dharmic. I.e. if Rahu/Saturn is in the Upapada and Sun is in the 2nd house, the Sun may not support the Upapada. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] 11 March 2005 02:12 varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbia www.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Small Business - Try our new resources site! |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Dear Lakshmi, Does not Jaimini mentions Sun as an exception to malefics in 2nd from UL? Chandrashekhar. lakshmi ramesh wrote: Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. Please correct me. Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Zoran, Namaskar Just an extra note. Sun will always support dharma and hence also the upapada... Unless the Upapada is not dharmic. I.e. if Rahu/Saturn is in the Upapada and Sun is in the 2nd house, the Sun may not support the Upapada. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] 11 March 2005 02:12 To: varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbia www.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Small Business - Try our new resources site! |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release 3/9/2005 Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release 3/11/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, You must be right. You have the good fortune of learning from Guruji himself. We are all eagerly waiting for your book to be realeased, so that we can plug the leaks in our knowledge and know what we have missed! In my chart, my UL (Leo)has Sun, Rahu and Mercury and in the 2nd from it is debilitated Venus (neechabhanga by Jupiter). As venus and sun are known to be inimical to each other, I wanted to know if Venus would still support the UL, and received the reply I quoted in my earlier mail. I feel the benefic in the 2nd house from UL is like the milkman, who keeps delivering packets of milk to sustain the planets in the UL. Will the milkman deliver poison instead of milk because he dislikes the people in the house? I think as long as it is his duty, the milkman would continue to give only milk and not otherwise. It is another matter if the planets in the UL do not open the door and collect the milk, milk would rot outside and the stink would affect all in the vicinity and even those behind the closed doors. Such a homely example, don't you think, and coming at 6 o clock in the morning, very timely too:--)) Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar Guruji always builds on our foundation with time when we are ready for more. He taught later that rightly a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will sustain the marital contract, but if it is enmical towards the planet in UL then it can cause separation in the couple. i.e. Rahu in UL and Jupiter in the 2nd. In one case this caused the couple to separate on the wedding day, but the divorce did not happen until 16 years after!.. Thats Jupiter. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] 11 March 2005 17:08varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. Please correct me. Regards, LakshmiVisti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Zoran, Namaskar Just an extra note. Sun will always support dharma and hence also the upapada... Unless the Upapada is not dharmic. I.e. if Rahu/Saturn is in the Upapada and Sun is in the 2nd house, the Sun may not support the Upapada. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] 11 March 2005 02:12varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology Subject: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbiawww.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Lakshmi, Lovely example! But can I quote from Jaimini again? After saying that benefics in the second from UL are good, he says that a debilitated planet in the 2nd from UL will destroy the spouse (Niche dvaranasha)! Ramesh is very much intact as far as I know. You have rightly pointed out the nichabhanga which has had an affect on this issue. Jaimini goes on to say that beneficial aspects on the 2nd house from the Upapada and the malefic conjunctions therein, will mitigate the evil. In your case, firstly, you don't have any of the malefic conjunctions. You have benefic Venus, and aspected by that strong Jupiter and Moon from lagna. There is also a hint that if the lord of the 2nd from UL is well placed, it will protect the UL. AND you have the Sun in the UL in its own sign! He is the 9th lord in the 9th...very strong I would have thought. One more point for the Sun, Sanjayji writes in his comments to the sloka I mentioned in another message, natra ravi papah, (Ravi is not malefic for matters of the Upapada), that the exception to this is if the Sun is debilitated or afflicted. I think Zoran pointed this out. If Rahu is in UL and Sun in the 2nd there from, then Rahu will aspect the Sun, which is the worst kind of affliction, i.e., it is like an eclipse. If eclipsed, Sun will not be able to deliver the packet of milk. About AL and UL being 2/12 from each other: check whether these lords are friendly towards each other. In your case, it is the Sun and Mercury. Budhaditya. Best regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:05 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, You must be right. You have the good fortune of learning from Guruji himself. We are all eagerly waiting for your book to be realeased, so that we can plug the leaks in our knowledge and know what we have missed! In my chart, my UL (Leo)has Sun, Rahu and Mercury and in the 2nd from it is debilitated Venus (neechabhanga by Jupiter). As venus and sun are known to be inimical to each other, I wanted to know if Venus would still support the UL, and received the reply I quoted in my earlier mail. I feel the benefic in the 2nd house from UL is like the milkman, who keeps delivering packets of milk to sustain the planets in the UL. Will the milkman deliver poison instead of milk because he dislikes the people in the house? I think as long as it is his duty, the milkman would continue to give only milk and not otherwise. It is another matter if the planets in the UL do not open the door and collect the milk, milk would rot outside and the stink would affect all in the vicinity and even those behind the closed doors. Such a homely example, don't you think, and coming at 6 o clock in the morning, very timely too:--)) Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar Guruji always builds on our foundation with time when we are ready for more. He taught later that rightly a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will sustain the marital contract, but if it is enmical towards the planet in UL then it can cause separation in the couple. i.e. Rahu in UL and Jupiter in the 2nd. In one case this caused the couple to separate on the wedding day, but the divorce did not happen until 16 years after!.. Thats Jupiter. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] 11 March 2005 17:08varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. Please correct me. Regards, LakshmiVisti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Zoran, Namaskar Just an extra note. Sun will always support dharma and hence also the upapada... Unless the Upapada is not dharmic. I.e. if Rahu/Saturn is in the Upapada and Sun is in the 2nd house, the Sun may not support the Upapada. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] 11 March 2005 02:12varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology Subject: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbiawww.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sri Chandrasekhar, Yes, I agree. Also because it is a 3 planet conjunction, by Bhavartha Ratnakara, from most benefic to most malefic, it is Ve, Me, Su. Hence Ve becomes a malefic (because it is placed in 7th from AL, I dont have good relationship with my sister-in-law), Me is ordinary while Sun becomes benefic. But Me also causes neechabhanga of Ve, being placed in exaltation sign and in kendra to Moon while the other variable Ju is placed in lagna. In general, I am intrigued because from three different perspectives (lagna, UL & charakaraka), all the indicators for spouse seem to be conjoined...one possible conclusion is that the lagna of the spouse could be an earthy sign. regards Hari varahamihira , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > Dear Hari, > Mercury becomes Malefic by conjunction with Sun and Mars aspects UL. > Chandrashekhar. > > onlyhari wrote: > > > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Lakshmi/Visti/Jyotisas, > > > > I have been pondering on the 2nd from UL and the motivation comes from > > my own chart where the UL is Leo with the UL lord in the 2nd from UL > > along with the darakaraka Me and the 7th lord Ve! My lagna is Sc with > > Ju in it, Mo in 2nd, Ma & Ra in 3rd, Sa® in 7th, Ke in 9th. > > > > Although I am single, I have been trying to figure out the > > implications of such a combo with reference to UL...please guide me to > > figure it out...perhaps I am mixing up too many principles here? > > > > regards > > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaste. A very nice homely example...going one step further; if the milkman happens to deliver milk that is contaminated, the poor milkman is not responsible, is it? And who played the role in getting the milk to be contaminated? best regards Hari varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Visti, > > You must be right. You have the good fortune of learning from Guruji himself. We are all eagerly waiting for your book to be realeased, so that we can plug the leaks in our knowledge and know what we have missed! > > In my chart, my UL (Leo)has Sun, Rahu and Mercury and in the 2nd from it is debilitated Venus (neechabhanga by Jupiter). As venus and sun are known to be inimical to each other, I wanted to know if Venus would still support the UL, and received the reply I quoted in my earlier mail. > > I feel the benefic in the 2nd house from UL is like the milkman, who keeps delivering packets of milk to sustain the planets in the UL. Will the milkman deliver poison instead of milk because he dislikes the people in the house? I think as long as it is his duty, the milkman would continue to give only milk and not otherwise. It is another matter if the planets in the UL do not open the door and collect the milk, milk would rot outside and the stink would affect all in the vicinity and even those behind the closed doors. Such a homely example, don't you think, and coming at 6 o clock in the morning, very timely too:--)) > > Regards, > Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, In my chart Venus is very much aspected by Saturn, both by rasi & graha drishti...but I do agree that my Saturn is very saattwik as his environment is totally saatwik. According to me, what really contributed to our marital harmony is that Mercury, the lord of AL and the lord of 2nd from UL is thoroughly under the control of Sun, the upapada lord. It can also mean that for me the image or the ego associated with the image never really mattered, and I always had the good sense (Jupiter) to prefer a lovely and lasting bond over everything else! Thankfully, Ramesh is also very much like me...his UL is in the 4th house, Virgo, and you know all about his Bhadra Mahapurusha yoga! Regards, Lakshmi Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Lakshmi, Lovely example! But can I quote from Jaimini again? After saying that benefics in the second from UL are good, he says that a debilitated planet in the 2nd from UL will destroy the spouse (Niche dvaranasha)! Ramesh is very much intact as far as I know. You have rightly pointed out the nichabhanga which has had an affect on this issue. Jaimini goes on to say that beneficial aspects on the 2nd house from the Upapada and the malefic conjunctions therein, will mitigate the evil. In your case, firstly, you don't have any of the malefic conjunctions. You have benefic Venus, and aspected by that strong Jupiter and Moon from lagna. There is also a hint that if the lord of the 2nd from UL is well placed, it will protect the UL. AND you have the Sun in the UL in its own sign! He is the 9th lord in the 9th...very strong I would have thought. One more point for the Sun, Sanjayji writes in his comments to the sloka I mentioned in another message, natra ravi papah, (Ravi is not malefic for matters of the Upapada), that the exception to this is if the Sun is debilitated or afflicted. I think Zoran pointed this out. If Rahu is in UL and Sun in the 2nd there from, then Rahu will aspect the Sun, which is the worst kind of affliction, i.e., it is like an eclipse. If eclipsed, Sun will not be able to deliver the packet of milk. About AL and UL being 2/12 from each other: check whether these lords are friendly towards each other. In your case, it is the Sun and Mercury. Budhaditya. Best regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:05 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, You must be right. You have the good fortune of learning from Guruji himself. We are all eagerly waiting for your book to be realeased, so that we can plug the leaks in our knowledge and know what we have missed! In my chart, my UL (Leo)has Sun, Rahu and Mercury and in the 2nd from it is debilitated Venus (neechabhanga by Jupiter). As venus and sun are known to be inimical to each other, I wanted to know if Venus would still support the UL, and received the reply I quoted in my earlier mail. I feel the benefic in the 2nd house from UL is like the milkman, who keeps delivering packets of milk to sustain the planets in the UL. Will the milkman deliver poison instead of milk because he dislikes the people in the house? I think as long as it is his duty, the milkman would continue to give only milk and not otherwise. It is another matter if the planets in the UL do not open the door and collect the milk, milk would rot outside and the stink would affect all in the vicinity and even those behind the closed doors. Such a homely example, don't you think, and coming at 6 o clock in the morning, very timely too:--)) Regards, Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar Guruji always builds on our foundation with time when we are ready for more. He taught later that rightly a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will sustain the marital contract, but if it is enmical towards the planet in UL then it can cause separation in the couple. i.e. Rahu in UL and Jupiter in the 2nd. In one case this caused the couple to separate on the wedding day, but the divorce did not happen until 16 years after!.. Thats Jupiter. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] 11 March 2005 17:08varahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Gurave Namah Namaste Visti, I could be wrong, but I do recall a net conference a couple of years ago, in which Guruji mentioned that a benefic planet in 2nd from UL will always support the UL, not withstanding its permanent/temporary relationships with the lord/inmates of the UL. I feel that Sun as a malefic might harm the UL when placed in the 2nd from it, but conflictingly, as a Karaka for Dharma he would always protect the UL, despite Rahu & Saturn tenanting the UL. That is, if Sun is strong enough. Please correct me. Regards, LakshmiVisti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Zoran, Namaskar Just an extra note. Sun will always support dharma and hence also the upapada... Unless the Upapada is not dharmic. I.e. if Rahu/Saturn is in the Upapada and Sun is in the 2nd house, the Sun may not support the Upapada. Best wishes, Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com visti Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa] 11 March 2005 02:12varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology Subject: |Sri Varaha| Some Questions. Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Kanupriya, Here are the answers: 1. Sun always supports Upapada, unless in debilitation, no matter of other planets. It is darmakarak and thus naturally opposed to Rahu. 2. The lord of the concerned relationship such as 7th house (first), 2nd house (2nd) etc, when joined Rahu/ketu may indicate the last relationship, unless venus is strong, or venus aspects or conjoins the concerned house. Generally, the total number of relationships will be seen in navamsa passed by the 7th lord or Venus whichever is stronger, or planets aspecting conjoing 7th house or Venus. Have in mind that retrogade and exalted planets tripple the number while own sign doubles, as is given in Ayurdaya calculations. Then skip to navamsa and count the relationships. 3. The planet in the lower degree goes to the place of the planet in the higher degree and its slot becomes empty, unless sthira and naisraghik karak is strong. That means, when matru karak slot becomes vacated (goes to the place of bhatru), then Moon or Mars must be strong, otherwise mother may pass away early. On the other hand, there comes a big change on the level of bhatru karak and mother may become a teacher (bhatrukarak), or siblings may take the role of mother at the point of time.. This is not always that simple, as I tried to explain but get the most important clue.. Best wishes Zoran Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru at Shri Jagannath Centre Serbiawww.sjc-serbia.com Om Dakshinamurtaya Namah Dear Gurus, I have the following three questions please help me understand better: 1.Will Sun support the UL even if the UL connects to Saturn and Rahu? 2.I know that Rahu and Ketu indicate the end of relationships/marriages in the D 9.How does one use this? How do we count or read this placement to see if the native will have any more relationships or not? 3.I have a few doubts on the Chara karaka replacement.When exactly does this take place? I undertand that a mahurat with CKR is not good as Rahu takes over the empty slots but what about the natal charts? Thanking you, Best Regards, Kanupriya. Celebrate 's 10th Birthday! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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