RE: Fw: Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Sarajit Poddar

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|| Jaya

Jagannath ||

Dear Vijayadas,

 

You have

raised some pertinent questions and answering them would help others too

understanding the topic.

 

Here are the

references of the use of divisional charts:

 

Let’s

take BPHS by Maharishi Parashara.

 

Chapter 6:

Sloka 2-4:

Names of the 16 Vargas. Lord Brahma

has described 16 kinds of Vargas (Divisions) for each Râúi.

Listen to those. The names are Râúi, Horâ,

Dreshkan, Chaturthâñú,

Saptâñú,

Navâñú,

Dashâñú,

Dvadashâñú,

Shodashâñú,

Vimshâñú,

Chaturvimshâñú,

Saptavimshâñú,

Trimshâñú,

Khavedâñú,

Akshavedâñú

and Shashtiâñú.

 

Chapter 7:

Sloka 1-8:

The physique

from Lagn, wealth from Hora, happiness through

co-born from Dreshkan, fortunes from Chaturthâñú,

sons and grandsons from Saptâñú, spouse from Navâñú,

power (and position) from Dashâñú, parents from

Dvadashâñú,

benefits and adversities through conveyances from Shodashâñú,

worship from Vimshâñú, learning from Chaturvimshâñú,

strength and weakness from Saptavimshâñú, evil effects

from Trimshâñú,

auspicious and inauspicious effects from Khavedâñú

and all indications from both Akshavedâñú and Shashtiâñú:

these are the considerations to be made through the respective Vargas. The

Bhava, whose Lord is in a malefic Shashtiâñú, will

diminish; so say Garga and others. The Bhava, whose

Lord is in a benefic Shodashâñú, flourish.

This is how the 16 Vargas are to be evaluated.

 

While one

reads BPHS one needs to be very careful in reading what Maharishi

Really wanted to convey. You would see that he directly went to the divisional

charts after explaining the Grahas, Rasis and the Special Lagnas. Only after explaining the

divisional charts he went on describing the other things such as effects of

bhava and judgment of different houses.

What could be the intention of Maharishi in

presenting the subject in this order? Only thing which we can make out is that

he wanted us to apply the principles he mentioned after explaining the

divisional charts to all the divisional charts and not only to the rasi charts.

However, to make it clear, he did say what are the areas that can be seen from

the each of the divisions and hence applying the principles he mentioned for bhavas etc. after the divisional charts we can arrive at

better results related to that area. However, though the intention is little

clearer, how exactly to apply the principles in the divisional charts is not

and he “might” have expected that the guru imparting the knowledge

would demonstrate how to apply them.

 

***********************

Lets take another

great Treatise on the Subject Saravali.

Saravali went ahead

one more step and gave the information on the divisional charts in the 3rd

chapter itself on the description of Rasi. To highlight the importance of the

Divisions he says in the sloka 12 ,

where he says that:

 

“The effects of a horoscope should be predicted

according to the divisions of Houses. Without knowing the strength of such

Lords, one cannot lay even a step forward in the direction of astrology.”

 

Only after explaining about different divisions he went on

explaining more characteristics of the rasis such as the

directions, the day/ night signs, strength of signs, their cardinality etc. Now

why did he explain the divisions before he explained more about the rasis? Here also we can think that the explanation need not

only be applicable to the rasi charts but also to the divisional charts.

 

Hope this clears your doubt.

 

Moreover as you said the Divisions are not the actual

mapping of the Zodiac, but zooming of one of the sign and mapping it to the Kalapurusha. This is based on the principle that everything

in this world follows the Kalapurusha, the supreme

governor of time. Since this is not the actual mapping of the zodiac, the

principles applicable to actual zodiac can be violated, such as Nodes can be in

one signs also such as in D-24 sign and few other. I do not see any problem

with that. Moreover if divisions are not to be used, then why

only Navamsa which also falls under this category is given so much of

importance.

 

In addition Maharishi Jaimini in his Upadesha Sutras

has given many gems on Divisional Charts such as Saptamsa,

Shastamsa, Trimsamsa, Rudramsa etc. which can be studied and seen that the

principles are the similar as that of Rasi chart, however applied to a very

specific area.

 

You can also study Deva keralam which gives many gems on Navamsa usage.

 

Almost all texts have written on the use of Navamsa chart

for marriage purposes in addition to gauging the strength of planets.

 

NOTE: Pt. Sanjay Rath might not reply to some of the mails,

since he is very busy in multiple things and we should not interpret this as

his silence. Thanks for understanding.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep]

Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:27

PM

To:

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa /Shri Sarajit Poddar

 

 

 

Dear Shri Pandit ji,Shri Sarajit and respected

members.

 

Sarajit ji you are a far learned astrolger as

compared to me.I have

not even gained 20% of the basics.

Also Chandrashekhar ji to whom i am having great

respect is in

agreement with your view.(his postings in the list

has been helping me

to grasp the basics over the years).

 

With GOD's grace, Chandrashekhar jis analysis and

suggestions for my

son(he was having some stomach related problems

and vomiting) helped

in getting the problem cured all of a sudden.

 

But you have said, what i wanted to say -

Understanding.I have not

understood.

I have been writing all these mails to get a

satisfactory answer

regarding usage of vargas as charts.I thought any

of you would be

willing to give an explanation.

Shri Sanjay Rath is silent.

If you have understood could you kindly say why we

can use it as a

chart when parashara has not sanctioned it and

when astronomically it

is impossible?

Rahu and Ketu can be together in one house !! -

Some says in vargas it

is ok.Shri K.N.Raoji once said we have to put ketu

seven signs

back.Thus there are contradictions.

Also other astronomical impossibilities as

explained by many, happens

when we treat vargas as charts.

If we treat them just as amshas Rahu and ketu can

conjunct as they may

be a particular tattwa falling from different

signs or belonging to

different lords.

(Shri Narasimha said sage has not given sign

tattwas, but only lords!!).

 

Now regarding proof of pudding - As you know,

numerous things are

explained with the help of just 12 signs and 9

planets.

I beleive even if i give a wrong chart,an

astrologer of your stature

will be able to explain any given incident from

that chart.Can you

honestly deny that? Thus we should not get carried

away.

If we want we can explain any incident and

convince people and

ourselves from any chart without shattering

basics!!.

A planet can give good effects when well placed in

the concerned

vargamsha,even if we do not consider houses.

Also i have seen good varga houses giving poor

results and vice versa.

 

Also predictive success alone can never be

considered as a gauge for

knowledge and confirmation.

Shri Sanjay Rath may have failed predicting US

Elections.Does that

mean his knowledge is scant?. He might have done

many good predictions

at other times.

Thus prediction depends on different factors and

time periods.

Also if we want to quote scholars why did Late

shri Santhanam found it

difficult to understand aspects in vargas?Why Did

D.v.Subbu Rao had a

different opinion.

 

For me, asking the clarification when in doubt is

Guru Vandya.Agreeing

to the Guru always ,thinking what he will feel, is

more of a Guru

Ninda for me.

This is just my perception and it can be wrong.It

will be kind if you

or Shri Sanjay Rath ji could explain why/how it

can be used as full

charts.

Parashara has not snactioned, hence i will be

happy to get the

astronomical reasoning from the

ancestors/parampara.

Western astrologers say harmonics are never to be

considered as

charts,they just shows the aspectual patterns.

My humble understanding is also the same- They

show the tattwas to

which a planet or lagna is subjected when we go

deep layer by layer.

And each layer explains different Koshas for

different

matters.Physical,spiritual etc.

 

Do you think Rashi chart does not contain all the

divisions right from

navamsha until shashtyamsha or the nadiamshas?

 

 

Thanks

Pradeep

 

 

 

vedic astrology ,

Chandrashekhar

<chandrashekhar46> wrote:

> Dear Sarajit,

> Very well said.

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sarajit Poddar wrote:

>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||

> > Dear Panditji, Vijaydas,

> >

> >

> >

> > As you say that the person using the

divisional charts need to

> > understand the erection of the chart,

the philosophy behind its and

> > the ways to use it before start using

it. However, only because

> > someone is unable to understand the

usage of some aspects of a

> > discipline does not mean that that

aspect is incorrect. Moreover, it

> > is not at all about sophistication as

you have mentioned, it is about

> > the depth of the discipline. It is expected

that someone who is

new to

> > a discipline, only learns the

fundamentals and basics, however when

> > one gets used to the fundamentals, gets

deeper into the subject and

> > this is true with all subjects and not

Jyotish only.

> >

> >

> >

> > The statement that Shastras do not have

sanction of using the

> > divisional charts is of no ground. If

that's so Maharishi Parashara,

> > Maharishi Jaimini, Raja Kalyanverma,

Vyankatesha Daivagna and many

> > authors have not said so many things in

days where the brevity of

> > words and space were of utmost

importance. Whatever the point it, the

> > bottomline is that, the taste of the

pudding is in eating... try it

> > and then see how useful are they.

> >

> >

> >

> > If were to make appeals to the

beginners, then tell them to study

> > authentic sources and understand it

properly before using them. Isn't

> > it true even with the interpretation of

rasi chart!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > ** Panditji [navagraha@g...]

> > *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2005 11:15

AM

> > *To:* vedic astrology

> > *Subject:* Re: [vedic astrology] Fw:

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re:

> > Accident schematic)

> >

> >

> >

> > namaste,

> >

> > Someone just sent me this. I am posting

it here. The gentleman who

> > posted this is vijaydas_pradeep. I have

not asked his permission to

> > post it here but I thought this is in

context with various divisional

> > and other techniques we are debating. My

apologies to Mr. pradeep if I

> > am taking too many liberties here.

> >

> > ---

> > This mail only address my concerns

regarding technical points.

> > I think we are missing the essence.

Techniques that ease our

> > calculation are a boon. No one

disagrees. For that reason we use

> > software. But Jyotish is not about

technical sophistication.

> >

> > When we have a door and steps to enter a

house why should we use our

> > acrobatic skills and climb through the

sewage pipe, at the building

> > rear? After knowing the basics (purpose

of door and steps) one can

> > try climbing through sewage for a

change.

> >

> > But what is happening. One is not aware

of the basics and goes

> > directly to sewage pipe. Many go

directly to dashamsha whenever

> > professional matters are to be

ascertained, even without knowing how

> > dashamsha is derived. Many believe

dashamsha as a division of the

> > 10th house & Navamsha as a division

of the 9th house. I got private

> > mails. This is certainly a bad trend.

> >

> > It is true that dash ''amsha'' is for

professional matters, but

> > there is no classical reference

sanctioning the usage of it as a

> > chart. Moreover astronomically it is

impossible. As per Shri

> > Narasimha sage has not even given the

amsha tattwas - just the lords

> > alone!!! - How can we find AL, 9TH from it,Artha

trikonas etc in

> > divisionals, when considering it as a

chart itself is against

> > rules?.

> >

> > If we start stretching our legs before

we sit, we will fall.

> > Unfortunately some techniques are taking

one away from basics. If we

> > have a good foundation, any number of

floors can be erected on top.

> > If our basement is weak, irrespective of

how many techniques we

> > have, the structures can only collapse.

One can keep and open mind

> > and pick the good from all sources. It

is not necessary to accept

> > all from one place and leave the rest. I

can learn from you and vice

> > versa may be one of the best approaches.

Please see this in the

> > right spirit. I respect knowledge from

all,but do not accept

> > anything blindly.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Pradeep

> > -----

> >

> >

> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:04:24 -0500,

Panditji <navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >> Namaste Kartik,

> >>

> >> Excellent question. Everything is

derived from rashi and it

trumps all

> >> the charts. I do look at the

divisional lagna and planets in it

or the

> >> 1-7 axis of the divisional chart.But

I do not go jumping to

divisional

> >> and use it as a chart with houses. I

can not say parashara said

to use

> >> it as a separate chart. ( I do not

want to get into pedantic argument

> >> about it, I have not seen evidence

that parashar said to use

> >> divisional as a separate chart) Also

the divisional influence is a

> >> Tertiary influence and NOT the

primary one. So divisional 1-7 axis is

> >> to be used to look for tertiary

facors. If the primary factors are

> >> adverse, I don't care how strong a

divisional chart is it is not

going

> >> to give great results.Yes if a graha

is debilited in rashi but

exalted

> >> in navansh then his strength is

improved and it is one of the

> >> strengths ( not THE strength).

> >>

> >> Now about twins, every one talks

about it in connection with

> >> divisionals. As for me I treat twins

as an exception and do not go

> >> formulating rules for exceptions,

thats a dangerous habit. I am happy

> >> if I can make good predictions in 75

percent of the cases. Also I

have

> >> seen that navansha lagna if it

changes can make facial features

> >> different in twins. Anyway people

say there are 100s or 1000s of

> >> people born on the same day and time

and place. This is a conjecture,

> >> go and find hospital records and

show me statistical record of how

> >> many births tooks place at the same

place and same time.

> >>

> >> Talking about Parashar. He has given

avataars ..he says Moon is

> >> Krishna,

Sun is Ram..and Budh is Budhha. So is this the parashar who

> >> was son of vyas ? He did not say

future avataar of budhh, so that

> >> shloka could mean that this was

written at a much later date or

it was

> >> added to the original text at a

later date.He never mentions about

> >> kalaki avataar. There is a classic ,

I forget the name,( Hart Defaw

> >> mentionsi t).It is written in this

classic " When budh is in quadrant

> >> from Sun.. " Now we know thats

anastronomical immpossibility.

> >>

> >> Anyway the point is one has to be

careful in deciphering what was

said

> >> in ancient texts. There are

controversies in many areas of

jyotish and

> >> in interpretation of classics. My

point is to use methods that have

> >> been tested on many many horoscopes.

I will be really surprised that

> >> people have calculated so many divisional

charts in the past. May be

> >> for well to do who could pay money

to have these elaborate charts

made

> >> precomputer era. For most the charts

were done Lagna rashi, Moon

> >> rashi, and navansh( Even this was

added only if a client

insisted). In

> >> the north or may be south it was

customary. it is not so in the

> >> western part of India.

> >>

> >> Anyway

> >>

> >> ...

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 02:22:59 -0000,

amoebabhu <amoebabhu>

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Panditji,

> >> >

I have a question (and I do not believe in personalized

> >> > arguements so nothing in what I

will say will have any personal

> >> > connotations). If we were to

focus on rashi charts and not give

much

> >> > of consideration to

divisionals, then would it not be true that a

> >> > large number of people (a

relative terminology) would end up with

> >> > the same horoscope and one

might be a king and the other a pauper (

> >> > a theoretical comparison).Also

what about twins?

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Kartik

> >> >

> >> > --- In

vedic astrology , Panditji <navagraha@g...>

> >> >

> >> > wrote:

> >> > > Namaste Narayan,

> >> > >

> >> > > Looks like you are taking

sides to defend something that has not

> >> > been

> >> > > attacked. I know what

parashara said in BPHS. He mentioned about

> >> > > divisions and if you say

it was in vogue since the day of

parashar

> >> > you

> >> > > must be really looooong in

tooth. You are talking as if you just

> >> > had a

> >> > > conversation with him. I stand

by my statement that divisional

> >> > came in

> >> > > vogue after the advent of

computers and now even a novice

with one

> >> > day

> >> > > of training or less can

put them up and can write off pages about

> >> > > which planet is where in

which varga and from what rashi dasha he

> >> > is

> >> > > in what house. Whether

there are houses in divisional charts is a

> >> > > debate in itself. I do not

know sanjay rath and my intention was

> >> > not

> >> > > to question his teachings

or his grand fathers', as I do not know

> >> > his

> >> > > teachings. What I

commented is based on what I have seen a few on

> >> > the

> >> > > list who say they are

beginners just go on and on about

divisionals

> >> > > and dashas in divisionals

as if there was no tomorrow. I put

out my

> >> > > opinion for others to

read, they can make their own judgements

> >> > about

> >> > > whatever technique they

want to use. If you want to use 5

kinds of

> >> > > dashas and 5 kinds of

lagnas to arrive at a correct

prediction, all

> >> > > the power to you. I am

presenting what I feel is a approach that

> >> > has

> >> > > worked for me. Let others

be judge of those methods. I am not

> >> > forcing

> >> > > any technique down

anyone's throat. I do have an opinion and an

> >> > > methodology( Which is not

invented by me, but has been taught by

> >> > great

> >> > > astrologers like KN RAo,

Nandan Chirmulay, BV Raman..etc.), why

> >> > should

> >> > > you or anyone feel

threatened by it.

> >> > >

> >> > > People ask questions on

this list and if I have time and

> >> > inclination I

> >> > > answer to the best of my

ability. While doing so, I feel I

have to

> >> > put

> >> > > my opinions out there for

people on the list to read. I have not

> >> > > criticized any astrologer

on the list, thats not my style.

But if I

> >> > > have differences of

opinion with a methodology I voice my

opinion.

> >> > Let

> >> > > the members of the list

decide what they want to use. Your

methods

> >> > may

> >> > > be good for you, why are

you threatened if someone puts out there

> >> > > views on the subject.

> >> > >

> >> > > Regards

> >> > >

> >> > > ...

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005

01:15:35 -0000, naaraayana_iyer

> >> > > <narayan.iyer@g...>

wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Namaste Panditji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > Panditji

<navagraha@g...> wrote:

> >> > > > > Namaste,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > These principles

are a work in progress. It would surprise me

> >> > if

> >> > > > > they have

been tested on tons of charts.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > As with any field of

knowledge, there are always principles,

> >> > idioms,

> >> > > > patterns, which will

be formed and would be subjected to

> >> > testing! On

> >> > > > what basis did you

jump to conclusion that these principles

have

> >> > not

> >> > > > been tested

adequately?? It could be entirely probable that

> >> > these

> >> > > > principles are a

" work in progress " , for that matter no

> >> > principles

> >> > > > work 100% and

research is required! It could also be entirely

> >> > > > probable that the

chart could need some rectification. One

> >> > should

> >> > > > have an open mind.

For that matter, even your principles are

> >> > > > subjected to testing

and cannot be relied upon! If thats the

> >> > matter,

> >> > > > then you would be an

" Expert/Rishi "

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > To begin with

the divisionals came

> >> > > > > into vogue after

the advent of computer programs which made

> >> > > > > calculation of

them fast. In the precomputer days,by the time

> >> > one

> >> > > > > calculated all

these accurately and verified, the jatak would

> >> > have

> >> > > > > been long gone.

So this phenomenon is from the past few years

> >> > and I

> >> > > > > don't see

evidence of its unversal applicability or even

> >> > > > > applicability

> >> > > > > in 75 percent of

the cases. I am sure there will be one

or two

> >> > > > charts

> >> > > > > where it will

fit perfectly. But as they say here in the

great

> >> > cold

> >> > > > > north, " One

Robin does not make a spring " .

> >> > > >

> >> > > > For your esteemed

information, Divisionals were in vogue since

> >> > the

> >> > > > days of Parasara,

infact, right at the start, he defined and

> >> > gave

> >> > > > meaninings to all

divisionals upto D-60 or Shastiamsa! Are you

> >> > > > saying that

Maharishis defined it and talked about it so

that we

> >> > can

> >> > > > pass our idle time or

do you think they had nothing better to

> >> > do???

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Even in the past,

AStrologers have gone into the depths of

> >> > > > calculation, for

example Pt Jagannath Rath, grandfather of Pt

> >> > Sanjay

> >> > > > Rath, used to

MANUALLY calculate all divisions, and ... you

> >> > would be

> >> > > > surprised, dasas upto

deha level, which is the 6 levels deep!

> >> > > > Ofcourse, these

calculations consume a lot of time, and hence,

> >> > they

> >> > > > would limit

themselves to a couple of charts. Most of the

times,

> >> > > > these charts are

prepared in advance.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Ofcourse, there are

Astrologers who would restrict

themselves to

> >> > > > Rasi & Navamsa

and make accurate predictions, and they do

rely a

> >> > lot

> >> > > > on their intuition.

If we restrict ourselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> >> > we

> >> > > > better hope and pray

for good solid intuition! Oh yes ...

by the

> >> > > > way ... even those

who restrict themselves to Rasi & Navamsa,

> >> > > > flexibly twist their

principles to suit the results, if not

> >> > lagna,

> >> > > > then chandra lagna

.... so on and so forth!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Point is ... serious

minded & honest research is required to

> >> > come up

> >> > > > with principles and

then these should be tested thoroughly. SJC

> >> > is

> >> > > > in the process of

doing it ... although there is no formal

> >> > process

> >> > > > for it. We will be

taking this matter seriously in the coming

> >> > years!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Another point, Pt

Sanjay Rath doesn't like to spoon feed ... he

> >> > > > likes/expects his

student to think thoroughly, to whet their

> >> > > > intelligence! Nothing

comes easy ... Adversity breeds

CHARACTER!

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > New parameters

are introduced to fit the event which is

> >> > already

> >> > > > known.

> >> > > > > On this list

some time back one had an example of father's

> >> > death.

> >> > > > For

> >> > > > > that they used

7th from 9th from sun in dwadashansha. Now

> >> > why ? Why

> >> > > > > not 7th from 9th

from ravi in rashi chart ?Then why not 2nd

> >> > from

> >> > > > 9th

> >> > > > > from ravi. Then

one can use arudh lagna of d-12 if one does

> >> > not

> >> > > > find

> >> > > > > it there , then

aurdh of 9th in rashi then arudh of 9th in D-

> >> > 12. It

> >> > > > > can get

confusing very fast.This way one can cover all 12

> >> > rashis

> >> > > > and I

> >> > > > > am sure the

graha whose dasha you are running at the time of

> >> > the

> >> > > > known

> >> > > > > event will be

there in one of those.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I am sure, not even

Maharishi Jaimini was spoonfed!! He too

must

> >> > > > have exprimented,

just like Pt. Sanjay Rath, KN Rao and come up

> >> > with

> >> > > > idioms &

principles. And as I said before, I am not sure, if

> >> > even

> >> > > > you have a fool-proof

methodology of predicting events, without

> >> > > > beating around the

bush!

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > My point is

,test priciples on charts you have and develop a

> >> > > > > consistent

principle applicable to atleast 75 percent

> >> > cases.Then

> >> > > > make

> >> > > > > it a principle.

Do not make rules as you go based on the

chart

> >> > you

> >> > > > > have in front of

you.BTW there are principles that have been

> >> > > > developed

> >> > > > > by peope like KN

Rao, BV Raman, master those first. Trust me

> >> > they

> >> > > > work

> >> > > > > in majority of

cases

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Principles, should

especially be tested on the basis of

> >> > probability,

> >> > > > like Narasimha said,

if the likelihood of an event happening is

> >> > high

> >> > > > and if you give a

numerous paramters explaining the event,

these

> >> > > > principles are not

probabalistically valid, although they

may be

> >> > > > statistacally valid!!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Like explaining, the

chara dasa aspecting chara Bhratri Karak

> >> > caused

> >> > > > birth of siblings!! I

consider that an incomplete and a totally

> >> > > > inadequate research!

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Warm Regards

> >> > > > Narayan

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Fri, 18 Mar

2005 15:02:57 -0000, mikefranc01

> >> > <mtravass@t...>

> >> > > >

> >> > > > wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Hi

Narasimha,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I applied

the same logic in my chart and it shows something

> >> > else.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > The time

when my car was almost totaled (March 1993,) I was

> >> > > > running

> >> > > > > > Cn-Li

Narayana dasa of D16, 4th from A4.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > The second

time I met with an accident was in Dec 1996

and I

> >> > was

> >> > > > > > running

Aq-Li Narayana dasa of D16.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Both the

accidents took place in zone 4:00:00 (East of

GMT).

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > I cannot

apply any of the principles that you stated in

your

> >> > > > email

> >> > > > > > unless

there are others, which can be applied, and you did

> >> > not

> >> > > > state.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Could you

assist here?

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Mike

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

November 14, 1963

> >> > > > > >

Time: 14:03:00

> >> > > > > > Time

Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >> > > > > >

Place: 73 E 55' 00 " , 15 N

18' 00 "

> >> > > > >

>

Margao, Goa, India

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology , " Narasimha P.V.R.

> >> > Rao "

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

<pvr@c...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > -----

Original Message -----

> >> > > > > > >

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> >> > > > > > > To:

 

> >> > > > > > > Sent:

Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:53 PM

> >> > > > > > >

Shodasamsa Narayana dasa (Re: Accident

schematic)

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear

Sanjay Prabhakaran,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

D16 is the chart for all Sukha and Hence Cars come

under

> >> > > > this.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

Here is some jist for analysing all yogas

> >> > (combinations) in

> >> > > > D16

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> 1. A4 is to be considered for Cars. Here A4 should be

> >> > > > taken in

> >> > > > > > D16.

> >> > > > > > >

> 2. 6th and 8th house cause worries and anxieties

> >> > > > respectively,

> >> > > > > > in D16 they

> >> > > > > > >

> will show for matters related to cars and

other

> >> > sukha.

> >> > > > > > >

> 3. Marakas to sign of A4 will destroy the car.

> >> > > > > > >

> Marakas primarily being 2nd and 7th.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

Now for Dasas which will activate the Yoga's mentioned

> >> > above.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Add

badhaka sthana in shodasamsa also as a potential

> >> > problem

> >> > > > sign.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > My birthdata

is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm (IST),

> >> > > > Machilipatnam,

> >> > > > > > India

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > I had

a vehicular accident on 5th December 1996 at

6:30 pm

> >> > > > (EST),

> >> > > > > > Wilmington, MA.

I was not hurt, but the car was " totalled " .

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > As per

D-16 Narayana dasa, this happened in Li-Ta

> >> > antardasa.

> >> > > > In my

> >> > > > > > D-16, Ta is

the badhaka sthana and contains 3rd/12th lord

> >> > > > Mercury and

> >> > > > > > nodes. It

is the 12th house from A4, showing the loss of a

> >> > > > vehicle.

> >> > > > > > It is also

the 8th house from the 4th house, showing

> >> > problems in

> >> > > > > > sukha.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Those

who are into the three parts of rule of Narayana

> >> > dasa

> >> > > > > >

interpretation can test that too. Mahadasa sign Li is a

> >> > > > seershodaya

> >> > > > > > rasi. So it

gives its results in the first one-third. Its

> >> > lord

> >> > > > Venus

> >> > > > > > is also in

a seershodaya rasi (Le). So he gives his results

> >> > in

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > second

one-third. The last one-third gives the results of

> >> > > > occupants

> >> > > > > > and

aspectors. There are four candidates and they are

Venus,

> >> > > > Rahu,

> >> > > > > > Ketu and

Mercury in the order of longitudes. We divide the

> >> > last

> >> > > > one-

> >> > > > > > third of

the dasa into 4 equal parts and give them to these

> >> > 4

> >> > > > planets

> >> > > > > > in this

order. The result of Rahu's aspect on mahadasa sign

> >> > is

> >> > > > given

> >> > > > > > in Oct

1996-Aug 1997. Rahu is the 8th lord, occupies

badhaka

> >> > > > sthana

> >> > > > > > and aspects

the 4th house of vehicles Libra. So the sub-

> >> > period

> >> > > > in

> >> > > > > > question

resulted in vehicle problems. Not only did I have

> >> > an

> >> > > > > > accident in

Dec 1996, but the new car I bought in Jan 1997

> >> > > > suffered

> >> > > > > > too. It was

hit by people twice when it was parked in a

> >> > parking

> >> > > > lot.

> >> > > > > > I did not

see who hit it, but someone hit it twice. After

> >> > these

> >> > > > > > repeated

incidents, I sold that " unlucky " car and bought

> >> > another

> >> > > > new

> >> > > > > > car in Sept

1997. All these are due to the sub-period

giving

> >> > the

> >> > > > > > results of

Rahu's aspect on Li. It so happened that the

> >> > > > antardasa was

> >> > > > > > also of Ta,

which contains Rahu.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > As per

Vimsottari dasa also, it was Mercury-Ketu

antardasa.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > In my

annual Tithi Pravesha chart of 1996-97, D-16

had Leo

> >> > > > rising,

> >> > > > > > lagna lord

Sun in 6h (!!) with 6th lord Saturn, Rahu and

> >> > Ketu.

> >> > > > Saturn-

> >> > > > > > Saturn

antardasa as per annual Tithi Ashtottari dasa was

> >> > running

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > Dec 3 to

Dec 6. Accident was on Dec 5!

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > The

technique of Tithi Pravesha never seizes to amaze me!

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > May

Jupiter's light shine on us,

> >> > > > > > >

Narasimha

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