Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Sankrit roots - in Malay (where I’m from), Slovenian, German etc languages….I recognize only numbers and very, very, very, very basic Sanskrit and noone to teach me here. What a curse has befallen upon me! In my next life, I shall be a sanskritist J BTW, the panini site (can’t recall the url) has a good software for grammar. Love, Swee www.brihaspati.net jk.dasgupta [jk.dasgupta] Monday, March 21, 2005 7:46 AM varahamihira Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear Chandrashekharji, That is the most sadest part. I know that most Indian languages are based on sanskrit and if one is good in grammar of any Indian language - it is not difficult for him to understand sanskrit. But I am not good in grammar of any Indian language-not even bengali. Best regards jk - Chandrashekhar varahamihira Monday, March 21, 2005 03:00 Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear J. K. Da, You are so modest. Sanskrit has undergone many changes through passage of time and many other than the Grammar of Panini were used in times gone by. Even then most of Indian languages being rooted in Sanskrit, one can understand the intent of Sanskrit shlokas, in most instances. Regards, Chandrashekhar. jk.dasgupta wrote: Yes Chandrashekharji. I am well aware of my weakness of not understanding sanskrit. So I always look for logical explanatory comentries. Best regards jk - Chandrashekhar varahamihira Sunday, March 20, 2005 02:39 Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear J.K. Da, You are making a profound statement and yet claim to be a slow learner. It is rightly said " Vidya Vinayen Shobhate " Chandrashekhar. jk.dasgupta wrote: Dear all, My spiritual sikhsa guru Swami Chinmayanandaji used to tell that spirituality is a subject by itself- like medical or engineering. By worshiping medical books everyday-one can never become a doctor. Like that just worshiping the scriptures everyday or mugging up the slokas therin one can never become knowledgeable. He used to always tell that scriptures are to be studied by sitting at the feet of guru - as sanskrit is a difficult and tricky language. Simple literal meaning of one sanskrit word may be misleading and may mean so many things. A guru has to explain what the sloka actually means. He also used to warn always not to pick up one sloka from a scripture and jump to interpret it. The slokas are to be studied in totality. That is the reason the slokas of Scriptures have often been misinterpreted. Swamiji used to teach that Brahma vidya or para vidya is beyond words. It is beyond the perception of awaken state of human being. Therefore the teacher in the scripures always uses examples to explain the truth to the nearest possible fineness and therefore all the scriptures follow a certain logic to arive at a conclusion. After that, following that direction shown by guru & realising the truth is the job of the student. Realising the truth is only possible in deep meditative stage and once the truth is realised all arguments end there. (and I am far far from it :-), just repeating what Swamiji used to tell) Till the truth is such realised - every vidya is apara and the argument continues. Such arguments among scholars have taken place in past - are taking place in present and will take place in future also. That is the process of evaluation. Whatever have been discussed in this chain were simply fantastic. We are all human being.. so it is natural for us to get imotional at certain point. In my openion those imotional portions should not be taken seriously. Imotions will come and go - but the windows opened towards the knowledge during the process will always remain opened. Personally I am not at all knowledgeable in sanskrit - so always look for the explanatory comentries of slokas and the logic behind the explanations. That is why I am a very slow learner. regards and with best wishes jk - lakshmi ramesh varahamihira Friday, March 18, 2005 22:49 RE: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Om Gurave Namah Dear Ajit, Well, I was certainly not the one who talked about swarupa-gynaana and vritti-gynaana.... Jokes apart, you are absolutely right...its high time we stop concentrating on words and start concentrating on feelings. Your posts are always wonderful, Ajit. Please keep writing more often. Regards, Lakshmi Ajit Krishnan <astro wrote: ... hamsasso.aham ... Dear Lakshmi, We started with the Mundaka upanishad which teaches that this para vidya is beyond names, but are back to insisting upon names, words and dictionaries. Call this gyana Shiva, or call him Vishnu. Have faith, surrender to him, and be happy. ajit lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Friday, March 18, 2005 3:35 AM varahamihira RE: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Om Gurave Namah Namaste Ajit, Thaks for this excellent mail. However, I want to know the " name " of the gynana by which a spider, an elephant, a snake, a hunter realized God. The spider spun the web for sheltering the idol of Shiva, the elephant bathed Him with water brought in its trunk, the snake adorned Him with naga maNis and the hunter offered the meat of animals he killed as naivedyam. They were not versed in vedas or upanishads...yet, they realized God by serving Him in their own little, natural ways. In their dictionary probably para vidya consisted of two simple words...belief and surrender. And I think they are right. Is " Ishaanah sarva vidyaanaam " incorrect? Regards, Lakshmi |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Thanks Swee, I shall do a search and if i can get the site i shall let everybody know. love jk - Swee Chan varahamihira Monday, March 21, 2005 13:00 RE: |Sri Varaha| Root Languages - JK Jaya Jagannatha Dear JK, Sankrit roots - in Malay (where I’m from), Slovenian, German etc languages….I recognize only numbers and very, very, very, very basic Sanskrit and noone to teach me here. What a curse has befallen upon me! In my next life, I shall be a sanskritist J BTW, the panini site (can’t recall the url) has a good software for grammar. Love, Swee www.brihaspati.net jk.dasgupta [jk.dasgupta] Monday, March 21, 2005 7:46 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear Chandrashekharji, That is the most sadest part. I know that most Indian languages are based on sanskrit and if one is good in grammar of any Indian language - it is not difficult for him to understand sanskrit. But I am not good in grammar of any Indian language-not even bengali. Best regards jk - Chandrashekhar varahamihira Monday, March 21, 2005 03:00 Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear J. K. Da,You are so modest. Sanskrit has undergone many changes through passage of time and many other than the Grammar of Panini were used in times gone by. Even then most of Indian languages being rooted in Sanskrit, one can understand the intent of Sanskrit shlokas, in most instances.Regards,Chandrashekhar.jk.dasgupta wrote: Yes Chandrashekharji. I am well aware of my weakness of not understanding sanskrit. So I always look for logical explanatory comentries. Best regards jk - Chandrashekhar varahamihira Sunday, March 20, 2005 02:39 Re: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Dear J.K. Da, You are making a profound statement and yet claim to be a slow learner. It is rightly said " Vidya Vinayen Shobhate"Chandrashekhar.jk.dasgupta wrote: Dear all, My spiritual sikhsa guru Swami Chinmayanandaji used to tell that spirituality is a subject by itself- like medical or engineering. By worshiping medical books everyday-one can never become a doctor. Like that just worshiping the scriptures everyday or mugging up the slokas therin one can never become knowledgeable. He used to always tell that scriptures are to be studied by sitting at the feet of guru - as sanskrit is a difficult and tricky language. Simple literal meaning of one sanskrit word may be misleading and may mean so many things. A guru has to explain what the sloka actually means. He also used to warn always not to pick up one sloka from a scripture and jump to interpret it. The slokas are to be studied in totality. That is the reason the slokas of Scriptures have often been misinterpreted. Swamiji used to teach that Brahma vidya or para vidya is beyond words. It is beyond the perception of awaken state of human being. Therefore the teacher in the scripures always uses examples to explain the truth to the nearest possible fineness and therefore all the scriptures follow a certain logic to arive at a conclusion. After that, following that direction shown by guru & realising the truth is the job of the student. Realising the truth is only possible in deep meditative stage and once the truth is realised all arguments end there. (and I am far far from it :-), just repeating what Swamiji used to tell) Till the truth is such realised - every vidya is apara and the argument continues. Such arguments among scholars have taken place in past - are taking place in present and will take place in future also. That is the process of evaluation. Whatever have been discussed in this chain were simply fantastic. We are all human being.. so it is natural for us to get imotional at certain point. In my openion those imotional portions should not be taken seriously. Imotions will come and go - but the windows opened towards the knowledge during the process will always remain opened. Personally I am not at all knowledgeable in sanskrit - so always look for the explanatory comentries of slokas and the logic behind the explanations. That is why I am a very slow learner. regards and with best wishes jk - lakshmi ramesh varahamihira Friday, March 18, 2005 22:49 RE: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Om Gurave Namah Dear Ajit, Well, I was certainly not the one who talked about swarupa-gynaana and vritti-gynaana.... Jokes apart, you are absolutely right...its high time we stop concentrating on words and start concentrating on feelings. Your posts are always wonderful, Ajit. Please keep writing more often. Regards, LakshmiAjit Krishnan <astro wrote: ... hamsasso.aham .. Dear Lakshmi, We started with the Mundaka upanishad which teaches that this para vidya is beyond names, but are back to insisting upon names, words and dictionaries. Call this gyana Shiva, or call him Vishnu. Have faith, surrender to him, and be happy. ajit lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Friday, March 18, 2005 3:35 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: |Sri Varaha| Mundakya on Para Om Gurave Namah Namaste Ajit, Thaks for this excellent mail. However, I want to know the "name" of the gynana by which a spider, an elephant, a snake, a hunter realized God. The spider spun the web for sheltering the idol of Shiva, the elephant bathed Him with water brought in its trunk, the snake adorned Him with naga maNis and the hunter offered the meat of animals he killed as naivedyam. They were not versed in vedas or upanishads...yet, they realized God by serving Him in their own little, natural ways. In their dictionary probably para vidya consisted of two simple words...belief and surrender. And I think they are right. Is "Ishaanah sarva vidyaanaam" incorrect? Regards, Lakshmi |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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