Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Mates, I'm concerned a fair bit by what's gone on these past few days over what's gone on, and you folk are too, probably. Having lessons and more astrological lessons is certainly commendable, but we need one on lessons to be learnt too. The alarming recurrence of temperamental jumpiness, let loose too often on the unsuspecting like me, digresses from astrology most tellingly. Holy domestic scenes can't be avoided for as long as we're human, but I'm all for letting them stay indoor. Roughly 4 years ago, my hitherto latent interest in astrology was stoked by a series of unlikely events. A vendor at our office, who until then was just another man except that his breadth, height and depth were all nearly equal, drew up my horoscope, which showed me a Virgo. I had no inkling that birth seconds earlier would have made Mars a great friend from the equally great foe that he now was. As later events have shown, experts on each side of the Leo-Virgo divide have demonstrated apparently enough evidence to suit me as either. The amiable JK once rectified my time to a Libra. When I chanced on two ancient charts drawn up shortly after my birth, I noticed that one has me as a Leo and the other as Cancer! I can't readily think of another case where the ascendant has traversed one-third of the zodiac. Back to the point. I got acquainted with SJVC, through Narahari Katti, one of those who I got chatting online with for no particular reason. Hari remains a friend, and remains a guru who dispels notions about any necessary coexistence of predictive abilities and satwicity. The transition from downloading JHL 4 to signing up on SJVC was slick, and I was on my way, so to speak. It's been an interesting road since - of learning and expulsions. The subject of the first mail I received from SJVC read, " Autobiography of a goat " . That wasn't the last idiotic post I saw, but my best memories are of superb posts by superbly erudite astrologers. There was an overwhelming goodwill in helping out learners, and even most of those that came to merely seek a free reading didn't leave unattended. But there were also egos, frank hostility and slanderous brawls that would have reddened your bouncer. I'm not sure who of this group now were around when one bloke used his license as list owner to simply delete the group. Even dogs behave better, really. Much like Ramadas tried to access Vyasa yesterday, I remember the morning when the SJVC site drew a blank. With one hedonistic act, a scar bad enough for SJVC to rename itself remained. Mercifully, the chill and death of fine fresh enthusiasm wasn't permanent. But we're not learning, are we? The perils and compromises needed to live in multicultural societies are in a microcosm the need and reflection in any internet group like this too. Social and cultural habits are an upshot of upbringing, religion, history and geography, not necessarily in that order. Each of us has learnt values of life and learnt to live, if not similarly. Each of us has habits, expressions, mindsets and outlooks, but again not all similar. To view anyone dissimilar to our own warily or skeptically won't help, and is certainly not the road forward. Astrologers somehow seem more than most to show this particularly disturbing trait of bigotry and love for oligarchy, which is a real pity. It's nice to have everyone hold an exactly similar viewpoint on technical matters or otherwise, but that's like wishing for the ideal. Inflexibility is one of the prime roots of discord in a heterogeneous atmosphere, and we must tread clear of such known pitfalls. I should know. Having lived lately in at least two Islamic states, I can tell you that moribund proselytizing of faith can only paralyze social development of those who follow it without as much as a thought. I know nobody asked my opinion, but I thought I should write anyway. Cheers, Ramapriya ayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Om Namo Narayanaya || Dear Ram, A great mail - you have spelt out what a lot many of us have been feeling lately but did not speak-out. I am sure all level-headed souls agree with you, but what good does this mail do. The people who should be really reading this mail and pondering over the recent happenings have all retreated into their cacoons. Does the cat go away if the pigeon shuts its eyes??? Anyway, Sanajy ji requested that no one should say any thing on these matters till after Apr. 9, 2005, so let it be. With warm regards, Shailesh scc; scchadha - " Ramapriya D " <ayirpamar <varahamihira > Friday, March 25, 2005 1:11 PM |Sri Varaha| A reflection on the recent past > > Mates, > > I'm concerned a fair bit by what's gone on these past few days over > what's gone on, and you folk are too, probably. Having lessons and > more astrological lessons is certainly commendable, but we need one on > lessons to be learnt too. The alarming recurrence of temperamental > jumpiness, let loose too often on the unsuspecting like me, digresses > from astrology most tellingly. Holy domestic scenes can't be avoided > for as long as we're human, but I'm all for letting them stay indoor. > > Roughly 4 years ago, my hitherto latent interest in astrology was > stoked by a series of unlikely events. A vendor at our office, who > until then was just another man except that his breadth, height and > depth were all nearly equal, drew up my horoscope, which showed me a > Virgo. I had no inkling that birth seconds earlier would have made > Mars a great friend from the equally great foe that he now was. As > later events have shown, experts on each side of the Leo-Virgo divide > have demonstrated apparently enough evidence to suit me as either. The > amiable JK once rectified my time to a Libra. When I chanced on two > ancient charts drawn up shortly after my birth, I noticed that one has > me as a Leo and the other as Cancer! I can't readily think of another > case where the ascendant has traversed one-third of the zodiac. > > Back to the point. I got acquainted with SJVC, through Narahari Katti, > one of those who I got chatting online with for no particular reason. > Hari remains a friend, and remains a guru who dispels notions about > any necessary coexistence of predictive abilities and satwicity. The > transition from downloading JHL 4 to signing up on SJVC was slick, and > I was on my way, so to speak. It's been an interesting road since - of > learning and expulsions. The subject of the first mail I received from > SJVC read, " Autobiography of a goat " . That wasn't the last idiotic > post I saw, but my best memories are of superb posts by superbly > erudite astrologers. There was an overwhelming goodwill in helping out > learners, and even most of those that came to merely seek a free > reading didn't leave unattended. But there were also egos, frank > hostility and slanderous brawls that would have reddened your bouncer. > I'm not sure who of this group now were around when one bloke used his > license as list owner to simply delete the group. Even dogs behave > better, really. Much like Ramadas tried to access Vyasa yesterday, I > remember the morning when the SJVC site drew a blank. With one > hedonistic act, a scar bad enough for SJVC to rename itself remained. > Mercifully, the chill and death of fine fresh enthusiasm wasn't > permanent. > > But we're not learning, are we? > > The perils and compromises needed to live in multicultural societies > are in a microcosm the need and reflection in any internet group like > this too. Social and cultural habits are an upshot of upbringing, > religion, history and geography, not necessarily in that order. Each > of us has learnt values of life and learnt to live, if not similarly. > Each of us has habits, expressions, mindsets and outlooks, but again > not all similar. To view anyone dissimilar to our own warily or > skeptically won't help, and is certainly not the road forward. > Astrologers somehow seem more than most to show this particularly > disturbing trait of bigotry and love for oligarchy, which is a real > pity. It's nice to have everyone hold an exactly similar viewpoint on > technical matters or otherwise, but that's like wishing for the ideal. > Inflexibility is one of the prime roots of discord in a heterogeneous > atmosphere, and we must tread clear of such known pitfalls. I should > know. Having lived lately in at least two Islamic states, I can tell > you that moribund proselytizing of faith can only paralyze social > development of those who follow it without as much as a thought. > > I know nobody asked my opinion, but I thought I should write anyway. > > Cheers, > > Ramapriya > ayirpamar > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > http://www.varahamihira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 ` nmae naray[ay, om namo näräyaëäya| Dear Rama, Yesterday morning I sent a lot of mails to Vyasa group and all mails returned back to me saying that there iis no such group as Vyasa.I really got surprised.Atleast the moderator of Vyasa Groups should have written to me that Vyasa Groups is terminated or not available for sometime etc.But nothing.Anyhow you know, I never fight with anybody and just surrender myself to God, may be after sometime the Vyasa Groups will start functioning again. With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. Ramapriya D <ayirpamar wrote: Mates,I'm concerned a fair bit by what's gone on these past few days overwhat's gone on, and you folk are too, probably. Having lessons andmore astrological lessons is certainly commendable, but we need one onlessons to be learnt too. The alarming recurrence of temperamentaljumpiness, let loose too often on the unsuspecting like me, digressesfrom astrology most tellingly. Holy domestic scenes can't be avoidedfor as long as we're human, but I'm all for letting them stay indoor.Roughly 4 years ago, my hitherto latent interest in astrology wasstoked by a series of unlikely events. A vendor at our office, whountil then was just another man except that his breadth, height anddepth were all nearly equal, drew up my horoscope, which showed me aVirgo. I had no inkling that birth seconds earlier would have madeMars a great friend from the equally great foe that he now was. Aslater events have shown, experts on each side of the Leo-Virgo dividehave demonstrated apparently enough evidence to suit me as either. Theamiable JK once rectified my time to a Libra. When I chanced on twoancient charts drawn up shortly after my birth, I noticed that one hasme as a Leo and the other as Cancer! I can't readily think of anothercase where the ascendant has traversed one-third of the zodiac.Back to the point. I got acquainted with SJVC, through Narahari Katti,one of those who I got chatting online with for no particular reason.Hari remains a friend, and remains a guru who dispels notions aboutany necessary coexistence of predictive abilities and satwicity. Thetransition from downloading JHL 4 to signing up on SJVC was slick, andI was on my way, so to speak. It's been an interesting road since - oflearning and expulsions. The subject of the first mail I received fromSJVC read, "Autobiography of a goat". That wasn't the last idioticpost I saw, but my best memories are of superb posts by superblyerudite astrologers. There was an overwhelming goodwill in helping outlearners, and even most of those that came to merely seek a freereading didn't leave unattended. But there were also egos, frankhostility and slanderous brawls that would have reddened your bouncer.I'm not sure who of this group now were around when one bloke used hislicense as list owner to simply delete the group. Even dogs behavebetter, really. Much like Ramadas tried to access Vyasa yesterday, Iremember the morning when the SJVC site drew a blank. With onehedonistic act, a scar bad enough for SJVC to rename itself remained.Mercifully, the chill and death of fine fresh enthusiasm wasn'tpermanent.But we're not learning, are we?The perils and compromises needed to live in multicultural societiesare in a microcosm the need and reflection in any internet group likethis too. Social and cultural habits are an upshot of upbringing,religion, history and geography, not necessarily in that order. Eachof us has learnt values of life and learnt to live, if not similarly.Each of us has habits, expressions, mindsets and outlooks, but againnot all similar. To view anyone dissimilar to our own warily orskeptically won't help, and is certainly not the road forward.Astrologers somehow seem more than most to show this particularlydisturbing trait of bigotry and love for oligarchy, which is a realpity. It's nice to have everyone hold an exactly similar viewpoint ontechnical matters or otherwise, but that's like wishing for the ideal.Inflexibility is one of the prime roots of discord in a heterogeneousatmosphere, and we must tread clear of such known pitfalls. I shouldknow. Having lived lately in at least two Islamic states, I can tellyou that moribund proselytizing of faith can only paralyze socialdevelopment of those who follow it without as much as a thought.I know nobody asked my opinion, but I thought I should write anyway.Cheers,Ramapriyaayirpamar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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