Nishekha Lagna

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Dear Kanupriya,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

>The conception chart is called the Aadhna Chart and is different than the

>Nishekha chart which is for the inter course.

 

I was reading a book on pregnancy, and interestingly it mentioned there

that conception happens max. 45 min. after intercourse, though it can also

be a matter of a few minutes only. That depends on how fast the sperm is

swimming. In some cases, sperm has to wait until ovulation takes place,

and that can take up to max. 4 days.

 

But then again I'll ask the question just as I did a few times before in

these discussions: How are you going to measure that time that conception

really takes place?? You can measure the time of intercourse, but there is

no way of measuring the time of conception... and this adhana or nisheka

lagna is meant to predict about the course of pregnancy!

 

My guruji Visti once mentioned there are methods to calculate time of

conception from the time of intercourse. Perhaps now is the time to reveal

some more about this, Prabhu?

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

http://www.radhadesh.com

http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html

http://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html

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Dear Sanjay P,

You are correct. Garbhadhana is a ritual on the day of Nisheka.It si written in Muhurta Classics that after the marriage on the 1st Poornima or Amavasya day, a ritual called Sthalipaka Homam has to be performed.This ritual is performed by both husband and wife.After that on a auspicious day ( should not be Vadha or Vipat Tara for both ),another ritual called Garbhadhana will be performed through the family Purohit.On the same day night Nisheka Lagna will be fixed and both husband and wife are allowed to unite to get a good child.

I hope this helps you.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

 

 

 

 

sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Ramapriya, Ramadas and Jyotishas,Namaste,The reason I was going into definitions of Garbhadhaana, Nisheka, etc was to bring out the difference between various Charts.My understanding is that time when ovary is fertilized is different from the time of sprinkling of sperm. These charts are different and they have different uses is my understanding. The classics could be aware of this and hence we have to interpret it with that understanding.I looked up the dictionary for the word Nisheka and garbhaadhaana, To help use come with a common understanding about the terms I will quote it here,[Ref:MW]niSheka = m. sprinkling , infusion , aspersion , dripping , distilling Ka1v. seminal infusion , impregnation and the ceremony connected with it Mn. Var. Sus3r.water for washing , dirty water

, wash (impurities caused by seminal effusion ?) Mn. iv , 151garbhaadhaana= n. impregnation (of loc.) MBh. xii , 9648 Megh. 9 Pa1n2. 3-3 , 71 Ka1s3. `" impregnation-rite "' , a ceremony performed before conception or after menstruation to ensure conception Ya1jn5. i , 11 Gr2ihya1s. MBh. iii KapS.I hope you understand my point of view, in trying to differentiate the two charts.Warm RegardsSanjay POm Tat Satvarahamihira , Ramapriya D wrote:> Moments after I posted, I looked up aryabhatt.com and came up with this:> > "ADANA LAGNA: Also known as Nisheka Lagna. Ascendant at the moment of> impregnation."> > It isn't intercourse either, it's impregnation. Makes sense too, that way > > Ramapriya> ayirpamar@g...> > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:18:40 -0800 (PST), kanu priya>

wrote:> > Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah> > Dear Ramapriya,> > The conception chart is called the Aadhna Chart> > and is different than the Nishekha chart which is for the inter course.> > .> > Best wishes,> > Kanupriya.

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Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

Dear Dhira,

Thankyou and all the other gurus for thier contribution to this thread.

Best Regards,

Kanupriya. Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote:

Dear Kanupriya,Hare Rama Krsna!>The conception chart is called the Aadhna Chart and is different than the>Nishekha chart which is for the inter course.I was reading a book on pregnancy, and interestingly it mentioned therethat conception happens max. 45 min. after intercourse, though it can alsobe a matter of a few minutes only. That depends on how fast the sperm isswimming. In some cases, sperm has to wait until ovulation takes place,and that can take up to max. 4 days.But then again I'll ask the question just as I did a few times before inthese discussions: How are you going to measure that time that conceptionreally takes place?? You can measure the time of intercourse, but there isno way of measuring the time of conception... and this adhana or nishekalagna is meant to predict about the course of

pregnancy!My guruji Visti once mentioned there are methods to calculate time ofconception from the time of intercourse. Perhaps now is the time to revealsome more about this, Prabhu?Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,http://www.radhadesh.comhttp://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.htmlhttp://.org/education/dhira_krsna_das.html|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Sorry to butt in. In my opinion, a muhurata for each event calls of specific

rules. But I have located something in Narada Purana which might interest

you and attaching it with this mail. Hope this will be useful.

In nishek muhurata, besides the suggestion given, one needs to read the

Purana in its entirety as there are many more relevant issues connected to

that particular muhurata. So it is not just the samhita part we have to

read.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

Sanjay Prabhakaran [sanjaychettiar]

Friday, March 25, 2005 7:09 PM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Nishekha Lagna

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Ramadasji,

 

Namaste, Thank you for this compilation of various dictums. As I had

expressed in my earlier mail, I am looking for synthesis of all the

dictums given in classics on Muhurtha and also with this mail I would

like to know some point of views on synthesis of dictums on Nisheka.

 

Firstly, Guruji had pointed out the differentiation betwenn

Nisheka(niSheka) and garbhaadhaana. I liked his views on need to

differentiate between the two. Namely,

1. Intercourse Vs.

2. Actual Impregnation of Ovary.

 

First point is seemingly under human control whereas the second is

totally controlled by divine. The second time can only be deduced

(reverse calculated) from the actualy birth chart of child. The

second is given as niSheka lagna vidhi in BPHS. The First is given in

various classics on Muhurtha.

 

My understanding of Guruji's teachings is to name them differently for

differentiation.

 

1. Garbhaadhaana (Name used in Muhurtha books I think)

2. Nisheka (Name used due to BPHS). (One can also guess with the help

of Nishek Lagn effects, like longevity, death etc. of the

parents.BPHS)

 

(I think I am sure but Please correct me if I have reversed Guruji's views)

 

There could be some time difference between 1 and 2 there are cases of

late impregnation of ovary due to various reasons stated in Biology.

 

I think following the above convention will help us to study this

aspect of horoscopy better.

 

Please read below for my more views,

 

> Other Informations :

>

> Intercourse during the first four days of menses, during which the woman

is

> bleeding, is said to lead to serious ill effects. The first day proves

fatal

> to the husband; the second day affects the longevity of the woman; the

third

> day causes abortion; the fourth day produces a poor, stupid, houseless,

> miserable and short-lived son bereft of good habits, and impairs the vital

> energy of the father.

> Ritu Dina (Days of the Woman's Menstrual Cycle)

> Sexual intercourse during each of the sixteen days from the first day of

the

> menstrual period is said to have a specific effect. Intercourse during odd

> days tends to create female children, on even days male children.

> Intercourse during the first four days of menses, during which the woman

is

> bleeding, is said to lead to serious ill effects. The first day proves

fatal

> to the husband; the second day affects the longevity of the woman; the

third

> day causes abortion; the fourth day produces a poor, stupid, houseless,

> miserable and short-lived son bereft of good habits, and impairs the vital

> energy of the father.

>

> Intercourse on the fifth day gives birth to a daughter; the sixth day

favors

> a son who promotes posterity; the seventh day brings forth a daughter who

> will not bear children; the eighth day gives birth to a noble son; the

ninth

> day gives birth to a wicked girl; the tenth day promises a praiseworthy

son;

> the eleventh day gives birth to an unrighteous girl; the twelfth day

grants

> a virtuous son; the thirteenth day grants a virtuous daughter; the

> fourteenth gives birth to a son rich in grains and gold; the fifteenth day

> brings forth a daughter that will not live long; and the sixteenth day

gives

> birth to a son of all-embracing intelligence. Sexual union should be

> indulged in only on days that bear favorable results so that the progeny

may

> be noble.

>

>

 

SanjaP:

 

Again, Let me express some view from Guruji Sanjay Rath.

 

He says D30's divisional demarcation is very important here. He

alluded that the way the amshas (divisions) for d30 are done has

correlation with Womens menstrual cycle.

Again I would like other students to correct me if I am wrong here.

 

The divisions are 5,5,8,7,5 are the days in from women attains the cycles.

the first 5 days are ruled by Mars (bleeding)

the next 5 days are ruled by Saturn ( I think some formation of Ovary

is happening, Those good with biology can explain this better)

The next 8 days are ruled by Jupiter and most fruitful.

the next 7 days Mercury

and the next 5 days by Venus.

The periods ruled by Benefics are best for Ovary.

 

The reason I am stating this is for others to work on similar lines of

thoughts.

 

>

> I hope this helps you.

 

Yes this was certainly helpful, Please give me your views on my points

 

Thank you

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

 

>

> With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

>

> Ramadas Rao.

>

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear RD,

 

If nisheka muhurata is good, adhana will take place. When I have time, I can

try and cull the relevant portions from Narada Purana.

 

Love,

Swee

 

 

 

Ramapriya D [ayirpamar]

Monday, March 28, 2005 6:31 AM

varahamihira

Re: |Sri Varaha| Nishekha Lagna

 

 

Aurite Sanjay,

 

Let's leg this a bit more, if simplistically. That the meanings should

be discrete, going by purely the biological possibilities, was quite

clear to me, and this is confirmed by your customary erudition

 

What we're actually doing is analyzing charts of different, distinct

events. For example, it's much like charts of (a) when you pay for

your plot of land; (b) when you ground-break; © when you enter the

constructed structure for occupation (gruhapravesh).

 

Each chart would have a definite significance in relation to the

success and/or longevity of the event in question. The success of

impregnation, as indeed the sucess of the impregnated impregnation

(heck, this retro Merc...), can thus, I guess, be inferred from the

charts of nishekha and aadhana. And I'm sure there's a technique to

figure the nishekha and aadhana times from the natal chart too, since

it's a logical extension of this snapshot business! Concur?

 

Cheers,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:30:10 -0000, sanjayprabhakaran

<sanjaychettiar wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Dear Ramapriya, Ramadas and Jyotishas,

> Namaste,

> The reason I was going into definitions of Garbhadhaana, Nisheka,

> etc was to bring out the difference between various Charts.

> My understanding is that time when ovary is fertilized is different

> from the time of sprinkling of sperm. These charts are different and

> they have different uses is my understanding. The classics could be

> aware of this and hence we have to interpret it with that

> understanding.

> I looked up the dictionary for the word Nisheka and garbhaadhaana,

> To help use come with a common understanding about the terms I will

> quote it here,

> [Ref:MW]

> niSheka = m. sprinkling , infusion , aspersion , dripping ,

> distilling Ka1v.

> seminal infusion , impregnation and the ceremony connected with it

> Mn. Var. Sus3r.

> water for washing , dirty water , wash (impurities caused by

> seminal effusion ?) Mn. iv , 151

>

> garbhaadhaana= n. impregnation (of loc.) MBh. xii , 9648 Megh. 9

> Pa1n2. 3-3 , 71 Ka1s3.

> ` " impregnation-rite " ' , a ceremony performed before conception or

> after menstruation to ensure conception Ya1jn5. i , 11 Gr2ihya1s.

> MBh. iii KapS.

>

> I hope you understand my point of view, in trying to differentiate

> the two charts.

>

> Warm Regards

> Sanjay P

 

 

 

|Om Tat Sat|

http://www.varahamihira

 

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Hi Swee,

 

Nice to see you hereabouts again. My previous mail doesn't contradict

what you're saying at all, I'd imagine. A correctly chosen muhurtha

should indicate favorable longevities, and favorable longevities

should include a favorable conception, gestation, childbirth and even

the child's longevity.

 

I'd decided not to post again and sully the ashram air - which was a

member's suggestion in private on my 'foul mouth', incidentally, but

since you addressed me directly, just this once...

 

So long,

 

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

 

 

 

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:49:33 +0200, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear RD,

>

> If nisheka muhurata is good, adhana will take place. When I have time, I can

> try and cull the relevant portions from Narada Purana.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> Ramapriya D [ayirpamar]

> Monday, March 28, 2005 6:31 AM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Nishekha Lagna

>

> Aurite Sanjay,

>

> Let's leg this a bit more, if simplistically. That the meanings should

> be discrete, going by purely the biological possibilities, was quite

> clear to me, and this is confirmed by your customary erudition

>

> What we're actually doing is analyzing charts of different, distinct

> events. For example, it's much like charts of (a) when you pay for

> your plot of land; (b) when you ground-break; © when you enter the

> constructed structure for occupation (gruhapravesh).

>

> Each chart would have a definite significance in relation to the

> success and/or longevity of the event in question. The success of

> impregnation, as indeed the sucess of the impregnated impregnation

> (heck, this retro Merc...), can thus, I guess, be inferred from the

> charts of nishekha and aadhana. And I'm sure there's a technique to

> figure the nishekha and aadhana times from the natal chart too, since

> it's a logical extension of this snapshot business! Concur?

>

> Cheers,

>

> Ramapriya

> ayirpamar