punya charts

April 6, 2005

Om Brihaspataye Namah

Dear Kanu , Prabodh, and Sanjay,

Punya charts are a mystery to me. Having recently lost my beloved mother, I have had a lot of resistance into looking into hers. Even this mail got sent twice without text! Last week , her deathchart twice mysteriously sent itself to my inbox, which I can only say must be a strong nimitta to study it! With Terry Shaivo and the His Holiness John Paul's passing they are very pertinent for the times right now.

One asks, What is the purpose of such study ? and i can only answer that this may never be 'known' , it is the process that is important.

As His Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati once said " To bind the unlimited with a desire for a purpose, is Ahankara! "

We are moved in so many unknown ways, always for our own benefit and we must trust this. Despite having attended the 2003 lectures with Sanjay my mind refused to remind me of the methods and the steps to study deathcharts. The memory just completely disappeared!Following Kanu's , Marcus's and Willa's postings has helped me tremendously to start this discovery process again, and I can say with each new discovery in any of the three punya charts I am looking at, some deep subtle relief happens. It is very hard to explain, but there is an emotional dissolving that seems to come with the understanding. Knowledge revealed strengthens our true faith and what we are devoted to. it is the wise that say the principle of devotion is , that "Devotion is a smile from the Absolute "

My mothers punya chart ( February 28th 2005 at Auckland, NZ between 5am-5:25 am reveals an 8 year time before moving onto Bhu loka indicated by Mars in the 12th house. So she will be very evident in her influence to her family and friends for a long time even without the body. This makes sense of some of the dreams my siblings are having! The 7th house is empty and its ruler Moon is with Jupiter in the 9th so I assume rebirth will be near water and with the presence of a teacher. Incedentally her AK for this last life was Jupiter and ishta was sun.

Kindest regards

Rosemary

QUESTION : Can anyone help me in interpreting the parvartina yoga between Lagna lord Saturn in the 6th , and mercury ( 6th lord, and 9th lord ) in buditya yoga with Venus in the 2nd house. Should this change the timing rules for the 'holding pattern " before moving on to the next loka ?

-

Sanjay Rath

varahamihira

Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:31 AM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Kanu & Prabodh

Gone on..this is good thinking is very good. I will not spoon feed.

Just one point - 7th is house of rebirth. If Mars is there then in an Island. Like that you should decipher.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

kanu priya [kanupriya003 ] Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

Dear Prabodh,

As usual I smiled at your questions, and no problem at all you are always welcome to ask them, it will make me think which is good.I am replying below with my limited knowledge and my own experience, others are welcome to add or correct me: The saptalok and Saptapatal we divide chart is the same division wetake in Punya? The 12th in noraml divion indictes Tapa governed byShani. Guru rules Satya sitting in Tapa loka. How do we interpret.

*** If we go by this then all of us go to Tapa Loka after we pass away? I think applying the lokas as per the planets placed there would make more sense unless there are no planets?

Another thing I wanted to ask is that what is the real purpose ofdoing the Punya? Like is it to find when will departed soul getSadgati. Or when the departed soul will reborn on the bhu mandala. Canwe find out exact timing and place of its rebirth on the Bhulok. Thatwill allow us to get Kundali of next birth from present birth!

***If you are asking me the practical purpose then I would say that at times people come and say something like, ever since my grand father died something or the other has gone wrong in our family.At times people keep dreaming of the person who passed away.I had a case where the native kept seeing a family member who had passed away and he would come and ask for food each time.In such times if one has the Punya chakra it will be an additional tool to see what is going on.Is the person imagining or is the soul still around? There are many tools in Jyotish and with each tool one can see several things.I think this is one practical use of the Punya chakra.

I do know that one can derive wether the soul will be reborn, what kind of a place and after going to which other loka [if at all] but then again we are not God and this is one prediction we cannot check. I am sure one can get some idea of the kundali of the next birth as the Punya chakra also indicates our present life karma and the next life if any will be based on this.I have not learnt all the tools to be able to do this but I know it is possible.

I hope I managed to answer your questions.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.I hope you wont mind me asking such non-qualitative and canonical queries!Thanks a lot for your Time and Astrology.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankarvarahamihira , kanu priya <kanupriya003> wrote:> Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah> Dear Gurus,> Assuming the Punya chakra provided by Rama priyais correct this is my attempt to analyse it.Since I am still learningand trying to understand the depth of this chart please correct me.> 1.Planets in lagna indicate the number of days the native's soulwill wait for before crossing over.The Lagna has no planets so hissoul will move on after the thirteen days and there will not be anydelays.> 2.Planets in the 12th house indicate the loka.There is Jupiter andKetu here.Jupiter indicates Satya Loka.> 3.However there is an exchange here between Jupiter andMercury.Mercury in the Sapta Loka indicates Maha Loka.If we considerthe tattwas then Mercury can indicate the lower planes too where asJupiter will indicate the higher planes.> 4.Planets in the 6th house indicate the shad ripu.There are manyplanets here.Jupiter's dristi will indicate that these areforgiven.The exchange between Jupiter and Mercury will indicate adelay in this.Perhaps the native will have to wait a bit and under gosome suffering before he can move to a higger loka.This is also seenfrom the 12th house.> 5.8th lord Venus is also amongst the planets and exalted there andyet Jupiter has dristi over it. > 6.The 10th lord only gets rashi dristi from Jupiter where as the 7thlord is exalted.Rahu and Saturn also have dristi over the 10thlord.The chances of rebirth are stronger due to this.> 7.At the time of his death he was thinking about God and likelypraying for salvation.I hope to be corrected and would request furtheranalysis.> > Best Regards,> Kanupriya.> > Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:> Here it is... for those that can't view the file, the data is: 2ndApril 03 @ 21.37 (+2), @ 12-27e, 41-54n> > Ramapriya> ayirpamar@g...> > > > |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira > > >

April 7, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Rosemary

Don't even attempt it - the watch moves at a totally different speed at different lokas. what is a day for the gods is a year for human beings...so don;t even attempt it. We have to understand Brahma Vidya first before trying these kinds of things.

Limit the study to karma and rituals that are necessary in this plane - this world. Other attempts must have sanction of the texts and this is a real tough job.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

R Innes-Jones [rf.innes-jones] Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:19 AMVarahamihira (AT) (DOT) ComSubject: |Sri Varaha| punya charts

Om Brihaspataye Namah

Dear Kanu , Prabodh, and Sanjay,

Punya charts are a mystery to me. Having recently lost my beloved mother, I have had a lot of resistance into looking into hers. Even this mail got sent twice without text! Last week , her deathchart twice mysteriously sent itself to my inbox, which I can only say must be a strong nimitta to study it! With Terry Shaivo and the His Holiness John Paul's passing they are very pertinent for the times right now.

One asks, What is the purpose of such study ? and i can only answer that this may never be 'known' , it is the process that is important.

As His Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati once said " To bind the unlimited with a desire for a purpose, is Ahankara! "

We are moved in so many unknown ways, always for our own benefit and we must trust this. Despite having attended the 2003 lectures with Sanjay my mind refused to remind me of the methods and the steps to study deathcharts. The memory just completely disappeared!Following Kanu's , Marcus's and Willa's postings has helped me tremendously to start this discovery process again, and I can say with each new discovery in any of the three punya charts I am looking at, some deep subtle relief happens. It is very hard to explain, but there is an emotional dissolving that seems to come with the understanding. Knowledge revealed strengthens our true faith and what we are devoted to. it is the wise that say the principle of devotion is , that "Devotion is a smile from the Absolute "

My mothers punya chart ( February 28th 2005 at Auckland, NZ between 5am-5:25 am reveals an 8 year time before moving onto Bhu loka indicated by Mars in the 12th house. So she will be very evident in her influence to her family and friends for a long time even without the body. This makes sense of some of the dreams my siblings are having! The 7th house is empty and its ruler Moon is with Jupiter in the 9th so I assume rebirth will be near water and with the presence of a teacher. Incedentally her AK for this last life was Jupiter and ishta was sun.

Kindest regards

Rosemary

QUESTION : Can anyone help me in interpreting the parvartina yoga between Lagna lord Saturn in the 6th , and mercury ( 6th lord, and 9th lord ) in buditya yoga with Venus in the 2nd house. Should this change the timing rules for the 'holding pattern " before moving on to the next loka ?

-

Sanjay Rath

varahamihira

Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:31 AM

RE: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Kanu & Prabodh

Gone on..this is good thinking is very good. I will not spoon feed.

Just one point - 7th is house of rebirth. If Mars is there then in an Island. Like that you should decipher.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

* * *

kanu priya [kanupriya003 ] Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

Dear Prabodh,

As usual I smiled at your questions, and no problem at all you are always welcome to ask them, it will make me think which is good.I am replying below with my limited knowledge and my own experience, others are welcome to add or correct me: The saptalok and Saptapatal we divide chart is the same division wetake in Punya? The 12th in noraml divion indictes Tapa governed byShani. Guru rules Satya sitting in Tapa loka. How do we interpret.

*** If we go by this then all of us go to Tapa Loka after we pass away? I think applying the lokas as per the planets placed there would make more sense unless there are no planets?

Another thing I wanted to ask is that what is the real purpose ofdoing the Punya? Like is it to find when will departed soul getSadgati. Or when the departed soul will reborn on the bhu mandala. Canwe find out exact timing and place of its rebirth on the Bhulok. Thatwill allow us to get Kundali of next birth from present birth!

***If you are asking me the practical purpose then I would say that at times people come and say something like, ever since my grand father died something or the other has gone wrong in our family.At times people keep dreaming of the person who passed away.I had a case where the native kept seeing a family member who had passed away and he would come and ask for food each time.In such times if one has the Punya chakra it will be an additional tool to see what is going on.Is the person imagining or is the soul still around? There are many tools in Jyotish and with each tool one can see several things.I think this is one practical use of the Punya chakra.

I do know that one can derive wether the soul will be reborn, what kind of a place and after going to which other loka [if at all] but then again we are not God and this is one prediction we cannot check. I am sure one can get some idea of the kundali of the next birth as the Punya chakra also indicates our present life karma and the next life if any will be based on this.I have not learnt all the tools to be able to do this but I know it is possible.

I hope I managed to answer your questions.

Best Wishes,

Kanupriya.I hope you wont mind me asking such non-qualitative and canonical queries!Thanks a lot for your Time and Astrology.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har Shankarvarahamihira , kanu priya <kanupriya003> wrote:> Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah> Dear Gurus,> Assuming the Punya chakra provided by Rama priyais correct this is my attempt to analyse it.Since I am still learningand trying to understand the depth of this chart please correct me.> 1.Planets in lagna indicate the number of days the native's soulwill wait for before crossing over.The Lagna has no planets so hissoul will move on after the thirteen days and there will not be anydelays.> 2.Planets in the 12th house indicate the loka.There is Jupiter andKetu here.Jupiter indicates Satya Loka.> 3.However there is an exchange here between Jupiter andMercury.Mercury in the Sapta Loka indicates Maha Loka.If we considerthe tattwas then Mercury can indicate the lower planes too where asJupiter will indicate the higher planes.> 4.Planets in the 6th house indicate the shad ripu.There are manyplanets here.Jupiter's dristi will indicate that these areforgiven.The exchange between Jupiter and Mercury will indicate adelay in this.Perhaps the native will have to wait a bit and under gosome suffering before he can move to a higger loka.This is also seenfrom the 12th house.> 5.8th lord Venus is also amongst the planets and exalted there andyet Jupiter has dristi over it. > 6.The 10th lord only gets rashi dristi from Jupiter where as the 7thlord is exalted.Rahu and Saturn also have dristi over the 10thlord.The chances of rebirth are stronger due to this.> 7.At the time of his death he was thinking about God and likelypraying for salvation.I hope to be corrected and would request furtheranalysis.> > Best Regards,> Kanupriya.> > Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:> Here it is... for those that can't view the file, the data is: 2ndApril 03 @ 21.37 (+2), @ 12-27e, 41-54n> > Ramapriya> ayirpamar@g...> > > > |Om Tat Sat|> http://www.varahamihira > > >

April 7, 2005

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Sanjay Ji,

Again another very good reply on reading the Punya Charts.

That is why when few people asked me to read the Punya Charts,

I have told them politely, I have learned how to read the Punya

Charts from Sanjay Ji, but I am not supposed to read and give my

analysis. As you said, an Astrologer should be well versed in

different lokas and Brahma Vidya to read such charts and I

am still a beginner so I am not even qualified to do such

readings.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...>

wrote:

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Rosemary

> Don't even attempt it - the watch moves at a totally different

speed at

> different lokas. what is a day for the gods is a year for human

beings...so

> don;t even attempt it. We have to understand Brahma Vidya first

before

> trying these kinds of things.

> Limit the study to karma and rituals that are necessary in this

plane - this

> world. Other attempts must have sanction of the texts and this is a

real

> tough job.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

> _____

>

> R Innes-Jones [rf.innes-jones@x...]

> Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:19 AM

> Varahamihira@Y...

> |Sri Varaha| punya charts

>

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

> Dear Kanu , Prabodh, and Sanjay,

>

> Punya charts are a mystery to me. Having recently lost my beloved

mother, I

> have had a lot of resistance into looking into hers. Even this

mail got

> sent twice without text! Last week , her deathchart twice

mysteriously sent

> itself to my inbox, which I can only say must be a strong nimitta

to study

> it! With Terry Shaivo and the His Holiness John Paul's passing

they are

> very pertinent for the times right now.

> One asks, What is the purpose of such study ? and i can only answer

that

> this may never be 'known' , it is the process that is important.

> As His Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati once said " To

bind the

> unlimited with a desire for a purpose, is Ahankara! "

> We are moved in so many unknown ways, always for our own benefit

and we must

> trust this. Despite having attended the 2003 lectures with Sanjay

my mind

> refused to remind me of the methods and the steps to study

deathcharts. The

> memory just completely disappeared!Following Kanu's , Marcus's and

Willa's

> postings has helped me tremendously to start this discovery process

again,

> and I can say with each new discovery in any of the three punya

charts I am

> looking at, some deep subtle relief happens. It is very hard to

explain, but

> there is an emotional dissolving that seems to come with the

understanding.

> Knowledge revealed strengthens our true faith and what we are

devoted to. it

> is the wise that say the principle of devotion is ,

that " Devotion is a

> smile from the Absolute "

> My mothers punya chart ( February 28th 2005 at Auckland, NZ between

> 5am-5:25 am reveals an 8 year time before moving onto Bhu loka

indicated by

> Mars in the 12th house. So she will be very evident in her

influence to her

> family and friends for a long time even without the body. This

makes sense

> of some of the dreams my siblings are having! The 7th house is

empty and its

> ruler Moon is with Jupiter in the 9th so I assume rebirth will be

near water

> and with the presence of a teacher. Incedentally her AK for this

last life

> was Jupiter and ishta was sun.

>

> Kindest regards

> Rosemary

>

> QUESTION : Can anyone help me in interpreting the parvartina yoga

between

> Lagna lord Saturn in the 6th , and mercury ( 6th lord, and 9th

lord ) in

> buditya yoga with Venus in the 2nd house. Should this change the

timing

> rules for the 'holding pattern " before moving on to the next loka ?

>

> -

> Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...>

> varahamihira

> Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:31 AM

> RE: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Kanu & Prabodh

> Gone on..this is good thinking is very good. I will not spoon feed.

> Just one point - 7th is house of rebirth. If Mars is there then in

an

> Island. Like that you should decipher.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath CenterR

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

> * * *

>

> _____

>

> kanu priya [kanupriya003]

> Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:10 PM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

>

> Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

> Dear Prabodh,

> As usual I smiled at your questions, and no

problem at

> all you are always welcome to ask them, it will make me think which

is

> good.I am replying below with my limited knowledge and my own

experience,

> others are welcome to add or correct me:

>

> The saptalok and Saptapatal we divide chart is the same division we

> take in Punya? The 12th in noraml divion indictes Tapa governed by

> Shani. Guru rules Satya sitting in Tapa loka. How do we interpret.

>

> *** If we go by this then all of us go to Tapa Loka after we pass

away? I

> think applying the lokas as per the planets placed there would make

more

> sense unless there are no planets?

>

> Another thing I wanted to ask is that what is the real purpose of

> doing the Punya? Like is it to find when will departed soul get

> Sadgati. Or when the departed soul will reborn on the bhu mandala.

Can

> we find out exact timing and place of its rebirth on the Bhulok.

That

> will allow us to get Kundali of next birth from present birth!

>

> ***If you are asking me the practical purpose then I would say that

at times

> people come and say something like, ever since my grand father died

> something or the other has gone wrong in our family.At times people

keep

> dreaming of the person who passed away.I had a case where the

native kept

> seeing a family member who had passed away and he would come and

ask for

> food each time.In such times if one has the Punya chakra it will be

an

> additional tool to see what is going on.Is the person imagining or

is the

> soul still around? There are many tools in Jyotish and with each

tool one

> can see several things.I think this is one practical use of the

Punya

> chakra.

>

> I do know that one can derive wether the soul will be reborn, what

kind of a

> place and after going to which other loka [if at all] but then

again we are

> not God and this is one prediction we cannot check. I am sure one

can get

> some idea of the kundali of the next birth as the Punya chakra also

> indicates our present life karma and the next life if any will be

based on

> this.I have not learnt all the tools to be able to do this but I

know it is

> possible.

>

> I hope I managed to answer your questions.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Kanupriya.

>

> I hope you wont mind me asking such non-qualitative and canonical

queries!

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Astrology.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> varahamihira , kanu priya <kanupriya003>

wrote:

> > Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

> > Dear Gurus,

> > Assuming the Punya chakra provided by Rama priya

> is correct this is my attempt to analyse it.Since I am still

learning

> and trying to understand the depth of this chart please correct me.

> > 1.Planets in lagna indicate the number of days the native's soul

> will wait for before crossing over.The Lagna has no planets so his

> soul will move on after the thirteen days and there will not be any

> delays.

> > 2.Planets in the 12th house indicate the loka.There is Jupiter and

> Ketu here.Jupiter indicates Satya Loka.

> > 3.However there is an exchange here between Jupiter and

> Mercury.Mercury in the Sapta Loka indicates Maha Loka.If we consider

> the tattwas then Mercury can indicate the lower planes too where as

> Jupiter will indicate the higher planes.

> > 4.Planets in the 6th house indicate the shad ripu.There are many

> planets here.Jupiter's dristi will indicate that these are

> forgiven.The exchange between Jupiter and Mercury will indicate a

> delay in this.Perhaps the native will have to wait a bit and under

go

> some suffering before he can move to a higger loka.This is also seen

> from the 12th house.

> > 5.8th lord Venus is also amongst the planets and exalted there and

> yet Jupiter has dristi over it.

> > 6.The 10th lord only gets rashi dristi from Jupiter where as the

7th

> lord is exalted.Rahu and Saturn also have dristi over the 10th

> lord.The chances of rebirth are stronger due to this.

> > 7.At the time of his death he was thinking about God and likely

> praying for salvation.I hope to be corrected and would request

further

> analysis.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Kanupriya.

> >

> > Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:

> > Here it is... for those that can't view the file, the data is: 2nd

> April 03 @ 21.37 (+2), @ 12-27e, 41-54n

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > ayirpamar@g...

> >

> > |Om Tat Sat|

> > http://www.varahamihira

> >

April 8, 2005

Om Brihaspataye Namah

Dear Raghu,

I fail to understand from Sanjay's mail that we should not study punya

charts. If this was the intention can you explain Sanjay's request in the

latest JD to study my mother's chart? ( page 6 ) Or why it was a specific

topic in 2003 California conference, which is open to all ? This is a study

forum and the reason for my own question was not idle curiosity, but to

understand the principle behind the rules we have been given. I have tried

to demonstrate from my own actual experience, over a number of death charts

the value the study can offer, even a beginner as I am , as knowledge is

revealed.

Rosemary

-

" Raghunatha RaoNemani " <raon1008

Friday, April 08, 2005 12:51 AM

Re: |Sri Varaha| punya charts

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Sanjay Ji,

>

> Again another very good reply on reading the Punya Charts.

> That is why when few people asked me to read the Punya Charts,

> I have told them politely, I have learned how to read the Punya

> Charts from Sanjay Ji, but I am not supposed to read and give my

> analysis. As you said, an Astrologer should be well versed in

> different lokas and Brahma Vidya to read such charts and I

> am still a beginner so I am not even qualified to do such

> readings.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...>

> wrote:

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>> Dear Rosemary

>> Don't even attempt it - the watch moves at a totally different

> speed at

>> different lokas. what is a day for the gods is a year for human

> beings...so

>> don;t even attempt it. We have to understand Brahma Vidya first

> before

>> trying these kinds of things.

>> Limit the study to karma and rituals that are necessary in this

> plane - this

>> world. Other attempts must have sanction of the texts and this is a

> real

>> tough job.

>> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> Sanjay Rath

>> * * *

>> Sri Jagannath CenterR

>> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

>> New Delhi 110060, India

>> http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

>> * * *

>>

>> _____

>>

>> R Innes-Jones [rf.innes-jones@x...]

>> Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:19 AM

>> Varahamihira@Y...

>> |Sri Varaha| punya charts

>>

>> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>>

>> Dear Kanu , Prabodh, and Sanjay,

>>

>> Punya charts are a mystery to me. Having recently lost my beloved

> mother, I

>> have had a lot of resistance into looking into hers. Even this

> mail got

>> sent twice without text! Last week , her deathchart twice

> mysteriously sent

>> itself to my inbox, which I can only say must be a strong nimitta

> to study

>> it! With Terry Shaivo and the His Holiness John Paul's passing

> they are

>> very pertinent for the times right now.

>> One asks, What is the purpose of such study ? and i can only answer

> that

>> this may never be 'known' , it is the process that is important.

>> As His Holiness Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati once said " To

> bind the

>> unlimited with a desire for a purpose, is Ahankara! "

>> We are moved in so many unknown ways, always for our own benefit

> and we must

>> trust this. Despite having attended the 2003 lectures with Sanjay

> my mind

>> refused to remind me of the methods and the steps to study

> deathcharts. The

>> memory just completely disappeared!Following Kanu's , Marcus's and

> Willa's

>> postings has helped me tremendously to start this discovery process

> again,

>> and I can say with each new discovery in any of the three punya

> charts I am

>> looking at, some deep subtle relief happens. It is very hard to

> explain, but

>> there is an emotional dissolving that seems to come with the

> understanding.

>> Knowledge revealed strengthens our true faith and what we are

> devoted to. it

>> is the wise that say the principle of devotion is ,

> that " Devotion is a

>> smile from the Absolute "

>> My mothers punya chart ( February 28th 2005 at Auckland, NZ between

>> 5am-5:25 am reveals an 8 year time before moving onto Bhu loka

> indicated by

>> Mars in the 12th house. So she will be very evident in her

> influence to her

>> family and friends for a long time even without the body. This

> makes sense

>> of some of the dreams my siblings are having! The 7th house is

> empty and its

>> ruler Moon is with Jupiter in the 9th so I assume rebirth will be

> near water

>> and with the presence of a teacher. Incedentally her AK for this

> last life

>> was Jupiter and ishta was sun.

>>

>> Kindest regards

>> Rosemary

>>

>> QUESTION : Can anyone help me in interpreting the parvartina yoga

> between

>> Lagna lord Saturn in the 6th , and mercury ( 6th lord, and 9th

> lord ) in

>> buditya yoga with Venus in the 2nd house. Should this change the

> timing

>> rules for the 'holding pattern " before moving on to the next loka ?

>>

>> -

>> Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...>

>> varahamihira

>> Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:31 AM

>> RE: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

>>

>> Jaya Jagannatha

>> Dear Kanu & Prabodh

>> Gone on..this is good thinking is very good. I will not spoon feed.

>> Just one point - 7th is house of rebirth. If Mars is there then in

> an

>> Island. Like that you should decipher.

>> With best wishes and warm regards,

>> Sanjay Rath

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>>

>> kanu priya [kanupriya003]

>> Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:10 PM

>> varahamihira

>> Re: |Sri Varaha| Pope John Paul II's death chart

>>

>> Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

>> Dear Prabodh,

>> As usual I smiled at your questions, and no

> problem at

>> all you are always welcome to ask them, it will make me think which

> is

>> good.I am replying below with my limited knowledge and my own

> experience,

>> others are welcome to add or correct me:

>>

>> The saptalok and Saptapatal we divide chart is the same division we

>> take in Punya? The 12th in noraml divion indictes Tapa governed by

>> Shani. Guru rules Satya sitting in Tapa loka. How do we interpret.

>>

>> *** If we go by this then all of us go to Tapa Loka after we pass

> away? I

>> think applying the lokas as per the planets placed there would make

> more

>> sense unless there are no planets?

>>

>> Another thing I wanted to ask is that what is the real purpose of

>> doing the Punya? Like is it to find when will departed soul get

>> Sadgati. Or when the departed soul will reborn on the bhu mandala.

> Can

>> we find out exact timing and place of its rebirth on the Bhulok.

> That

>> will allow us to get Kundali of next birth from present birth!

>>

>> ***If you are asking me the practical purpose then I would say that

> at times

>> people come and say something like, ever since my grand father died

>> something or the other has gone wrong in our family.At times people

> keep

>> dreaming of the person who passed away.I had a case where the

> native kept

>> seeing a family member who had passed away and he would come and

> ask for

>> food each time.In such times if one has the Punya chakra it will be

> an

>> additional tool to see what is going on.Is the person imagining or

> is the

>> soul still around? There are many tools in Jyotish and with each

> tool one

>> can see several things.I think this is one practical use of the

> Punya

>> chakra.

>>

>> I do know that one can derive wether the soul will be reborn, what

> kind of a

>> place and after going to which other loka [if at all] but then

> again we are

>> not God and this is one prediction we cannot check. I am sure one

> can get

>> some idea of the kundali of the next birth as the Punya chakra also

>> indicates our present life karma and the next life if any will be

> based on

>> this.I have not learnt all the tools to be able to do this but I

> know it is

>> possible.

>>

>> I hope I managed to answer your questions.

>>

>> Best Wishes,

>>

>> Kanupriya.

>>

>> I hope you wont mind me asking such non-qualitative and canonical

> queries!

>>

>> Thanks a lot for your Time and Astrology.

>>

>> Prabodh Vekhande

>> Jai Jai Shankar

>> Har Har Shankar

>>

>> varahamihira , kanu priya <kanupriya003>

> wrote:

>> > Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah

>> > Dear Gurus,

>> > Assuming the Punya chakra provided by Rama priya

>> is correct this is my attempt to analyse it.Since I am still

> learning

>> and trying to understand the depth of this chart please correct me.

>> > 1.Planets in lagna indicate the number of days the native's soul

>> will wait for before crossing over.The Lagna has no planets so his

>> soul will move on after the thirteen days and there will not be any

>> delays.

>> > 2.Planets in the 12th house indicate the loka.There is Jupiter and

>> Ketu here.Jupiter indicates Satya Loka.

>> > 3.However there is an exchange here between Jupiter and

>> Mercury.Mercury in the Sapta Loka indicates Maha Loka.If we consider

>> the tattwas then Mercury can indicate the lower planes too where as

>> Jupiter will indicate the higher planes.

>> > 4.Planets in the 6th house indicate the shad ripu.There are many

>> planets here.Jupiter's dristi will indicate that these are

>> forgiven.The exchange between Jupiter and Mercury will indicate a

>> delay in this.Perhaps the native will have to wait a bit and under

> go

>> some suffering before he can move to a higger loka.This is also seen

>> from the 12th house.

>> > 5.8th lord Venus is also amongst the planets and exalted there and

>> yet Jupiter has dristi over it.

>> > 6.The 10th lord only gets rashi dristi from Jupiter where as the

> 7th

>> lord is exalted.Rahu and Saturn also have dristi over the 10th

>> lord.The chances of rebirth are stronger due to this.

>> > 7.At the time of his death he was thinking about God and likely

>> praying for salvation.I hope to be corrected and would request

> further

>> analysis.

>> >

>> > Best Regards,

>> > Kanupriya.

>> >

>> > Ramapriya D <ayirpamar@g...> wrote:

>> > Here it is... for those that can't view the file, the data is: 2nd

>> April 03 @ 21.37 (+2), @ 12-27e, 41-54n

>> >

>> > Ramapriya

>> > ayirpamar@g...

>> >

>> > |Om Tat Sat|

>> > http://www.varahamihira

>> >

April 8, 2005

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste RoseMary Ji

Very Good Questions. May be you should address your

questions ( see below your message ) to Gurus, so they

might give answers to you, as I am a beginner and do not

have the answers for you.

varahamihira/message/13853

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

varahamihira , " R Innes-Jones " <rf.innes-

jones@x> wrote:

> Om Brihaspataye Namah

>

> Dear Raghu,

> I fail to understand from Sanjay's mail that we should not study

punya

> charts. If this was the intention can you explain Sanjay's request

in the

> latest JD to study my mother's chart? ( page 6 ) Or why it was a

specific

> topic in 2003 California conference, which is open to all ? This is

a study

> forum and the reason for my own question was not idle curiosity,

but to

> understand the principle behind the rules we have been given. I

have tried

> to demonstrate from my own actual experience, over a number of

death charts

> the value the study can offer, even a beginner as I am , as

knowledge is

> revealed.

>

> Rosemary

April 11, 2005

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Rosemary

No not that. we must study Punya charts but this has to be done privately as

we have to respect the souls who have left. Then we have to draw the chart

for a purpose and study it for determining what we can do to help them in

their after life experience. The question of Moksha or rebirth and where

etc, is the decision of God and the place of birth can have indications but

not a definite answer.

for example Mars shows rebirth in an island, but which Island we cannot say.

We also cannot say when as the vimsottari dasa is limited to life on earth.

So please understand that I was trying to give the study a direction, a

meaningful direction. You will see my analysis in the next JD and please

send me yours privately.

difficuly to work at Puri as I stay off line most of the time - can answer a

mail or two at best

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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R Innes-Jones [rf.innes-jones]

Friday, April 08, 2005 10:18 AM