Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lakshmi, Kasturi, Sarbani, Samarth Our understanding of a physical organ and the activity performed by the organ can be different and this is where we find that sometimes the great seers have also differed. In this context we find that the great varahamihira has used the word *uras* or chest/upper chest to refer to the thrid house region and has completely missed *arms* which made me think that there has been a corruption in the text. After all the arms are the most vital working organs where we display our skills and we have so many dictum associated with the skills of *hands* and the third from karakamsa. How can we miss out *arms* from the Kalapurusha? It becomes evident that the third sign needs a deeper examination and for this we need to first study what Parasara says. Parasara uses the word *bahu* or *hands/arms* for the third house and this has been an integral part of my understanding and learning. The sloka is given under - zI;aRnne twa baø ùT³aefkiqbSty>, guýaeéyugle januyuGme vE j'œ"ke twa. 4. çérñänane tathä bähü håtkroòakaöibastayaù | guhyoruyugale jänuyugme vai jaìghake tathä || 4|| The natural question arising is if the third house is already allotted to the arms/hands by Parasara and the fourth house is called 'hrid' by Parasara and all astrologers including Varahamihira then the fourth house must be 'hrid'. Now we all know that hrid means heart (the physical heart) and this is also referring to the seat of the soul and the seat where the emotions of the mana are digested. So what about the lungs and chest reagion? Well logically heart is in the chest region. So I looked up the Monier Williams and found the following meaning for the word hrid n. the heart (as the seat of feelings and emotions), soul , mind (as seat of thought and intellectual operations ; breast , chest , stomach , interior (also in older language , `" interior of the body Stomach is already allocated to the fifth house, so we don't have a problem here. Isn't it clear now that the third house represents *arms* and fourth house represents the chest region including the *heart, lungs and everything inside the rib cage* if we were to try and understand Parasara. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath PS 1. I am travelling soon and if there are further doubts in this Visti Larsen, Brendan Feeley and other Gurus may kindly clarify with some examples to show the use of this knowledge in identifying disease. 2. Can some kind soul please upload my paper on bhava and body parts/health presented at Singapore. How can the students know unless these papers are made available to everyone. * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: FW: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & Wheezing Om Gurave NamahNamaste List, Sarvartha Chintamani, Phala Deepika, Prasna marga andThe Integrated approach to Vedic astrology by ShriPVR, to name a few, also UNAMBIGUOUSLY ascribe therulership of chest to Gemini/Mercury.Gemini (also Li, & Aq) and Mercury rule all three Vaata, pitta, kapha (sleshma) or a mixture thereof. Itis the nature of afflicting planet which decides thetenor of affliction. ex:if Mercury/gemini is afflictedby waning moon, then kapha gets exaggerated. But, morecommonly than cold, asthma is caused by allergy todust & pollution and there is usually no evidence ofsleshma in these cases.My father had suffered from asthma for a long time.Regards,Lakshmi --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:> _____ > > Bpfeeley [bpfeeley] > Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:54 AM> sarbani Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & Wheezing> > > In a message dated 4/6/05 9:23:57 A.M. Eastern> Standard Time,> sarbani writes:> > Sarbani,> > Yes, the lung is the seat of kapha and therefroe a> kapha organ.> > All the best,> Brendan> > > > Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, Your mail was a treat, though I must admit that it was totally unexpected! I thought the matter was too minor to merit your time and attention and better left to lesser folks like us, but then I guess I am wrong. I was also totally non-plussed by the old thread apprearing in a new avatar! Sir, let me have the pleasure of quoting from Phala deepika Sirovakthro rohrijjathara kativasti prajanana Sthalaamyaaroo jaanvoryugalamithi janghe padayugam Vilagnaatkaalaangaasya lijhushakuleeraanthimamidam Bhasandhirvikhyaathaa sakalabhavanaam taanasipare. Let me also quote from Brihat Jataka, prasna marga & many others... but then what's the use, if the discussion is already & obviously decided? But, I am really curious as to why such a massive body of information from other Classical Scholars (whom we very often quote in many other matters) is being disregarded? Sir, arms are certainly agencies for karma/work/Saturn and are naturally clubbed with vayu tattwa...gemini! I think people can survive without arms, but i doubt if they can without lungs:--)) Guruji, If YOU really think that “Urasthana” and “hridaya” are one and the same, I am dumbstruck and have nothing more to say. Are head and face one and the same? No. Similarly while heart and breast (milk=Moon) certainly belong to Cancer... i don't think lungs do. Sir, in my other mail to Samarth, I had just pointed out how afflicted Mercury can/had led to asthma. Gurudeva, I am eagerly waiting to read your article on body parts and hope to have more discussions...because with you they are always, fortunately, dialogues and not monologues! Happy journey, Guruji. Happy Ugadi too. Please convey my best wishes to your parents & other family members. May Lord Jagannath bless & empower you and all of us in SJC to travel undauntedly and unceasingly in search of Truth & Excellence. Regards, Lakshmi --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Lakshmi, Kasturi, Sarbani, Samarth > > Our understanding of a physical organ and the > activity performed by the > organ can be different and this is where we find > that sometimes the great > seers have also differed. In this context we find > that the great > varahamihira has used the word *uras* or chest/upper > chest to refer to the > thrid house region and has completely missed *arms* > which made me think that > there has been a corruption in the text. After all > the arms are the most > vital working organs where we display our skills and > we have so many dictum > associated with the skills of *hands* and the third > from karakamsa. > > How can we miss out *arms* from the Kalapurusha? > > It becomes evident that the third sign needs a > deeper examination and for > this we need to first study what Parasara says. > Parasara uses the word > *bahu* or *hands/arms* for the third house and this > has been an integral > part of my understanding and learning. The sloka is > given under - > zI;aRnne twa baø ùT³aefkiqbSty>, guýaeéyugle > januyuGme vE j'œ " ke twa. 4. > > çérñänane tathä bähü håtkroòakaöibastayaù | > guhyoruyugale jänuyugme vai > jaìghake tathä || 4|| > > The natural question arising is if the third house > is already allotted to > the arms/hands by Parasara and the fourth house is > called 'hrid' by Parasara > and all astrologers including Varahamihira then the > fourth house must be > 'hrid'. Now we all know that hrid means heart (the > physical heart) and this > is also referring to the seat of the soul and the > seat where the emotions of > the mana are digested. So what about the lungs and > chest reagion? Well > logically heart is in the chest region. So I looked > up the Monier Williams > and found the following meaning for the word hrid > > n. the heart (as the seat of feelings and > emotions), soul , mind (as seat > of thought and intellectual operations ; breast , > chest , stomach , interior > (also in older language , ` " interior of the body > > Stomach is already allocated to the fifth house, so > we don't have a problem > here. Isn't it clear now that the third house > represents *arms* and fourth > house represents the chest region including the > *heart, lungs and everything > inside the rib cage* if we were to try and > understand Parasara. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > PS > 1. I am travelling soon and if there are further > doubts in this Visti > Larsen, Brendan Feeley and other Gurus may kindly > clarify with some examples > to show the use of this knowledge in identifying > disease. > 2. Can some kind soul please upload my paper on > bhava and body parts/health > presented at Singapore. How can the students know > unless these papers are > made available to everyone. > > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center® > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > lakshmi ramesh > [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:18 PM > > Re: FW: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & > Wheezing > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste List, > > Sarvartha Chintamani, Phala Deepika, Prasna marga > and > The Integrated approach to Vedic astrology by Shri > PVR, to name a few, also UNAMBIGUOUSLY ascribe the > rulership of chest to Gemini/Mercury. > > Gemini (also Li, & Aq) and Mercury rule all three > Vaata, pitta, kapha (sleshma) or a mixture thereof. > It > is the nature of afflicting planet which decides the > tenor of affliction. ex:if Mercury/gemini is > afflicted > by waning moon, then kapha gets exaggerated. But, > more > commonly than cold, asthma is caused by allergy to > dust & pollution and there is usually no evidence of > sleshma in these cases. > > My father had suffered from asthma for a long time. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > > _____ > > > > Bpfeeley [bpfeeley] > > Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:54 AM > > sarbani > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & > Wheezing > > > > > > In a message dated 4/6/05 9:23:57 A.M. Eastern > > Standard Time, > > sarbani writes: > > > > Sarbani, > > > > Yes, the lung is the seat of kapha and therefroe a > > kapha organ. > > > > All the best, > > Brendan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. > Join the fun. > http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Lakshmi, >Similarly while heart and breast > (milk=Moon) certainly belong to Cancer... i don't > think lungs do. The Heart is somewhat right in the middle of lungs. There are parts of Lungs which are side of heart and also some below the heart. Refer Image: http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus970.html So, The delineation of Lungs is quite difficult. But the heart certainly stays in Cancer, Some parts of the lungs do come in Cancer. Is my understanding. Warm Regards Sanjay P Hari Om Tat Sat From above Ref: Gray, Henry. 1918. " The substance of the lung is of a light, porous, spongy texture; it floats in water, and crepitates when handled, owing to the presence of air in the alveoli; it is also highly elastic; hence the retracted state of these organs when they are removed from the closed cavity of the thorax. The surface is smooth, shining, and marked out into numerous polyhedral areas, indicating the lobules of the organ: each of these areas is crossed by numerous lighter lines " " At birth the lungs are pinkish white in color; in adult life the color is a dark slaty gray, mottled in patches; and as age advances, this mottling assumes a black color. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay P, Namaste and thanks for the picture. Ofcourse, physically lungs and heart nestle together cosily..but there is a vast difference in their functions. I think the Kalapurusha vibhajana is based more on functions than on physical proximity. For example, head is ruled by Aries/Mars and Face by Vrishabha/venus. Why didn't the sages simply say ....upto the neck? My take is that since head indicates quick intelligence & logical streaming of impulses into action, head is ruled by fiery Mars, whereas face indicates attraction/bhu tattwa, it was assigned to vrishabha and so on. Some authors allot " buttocks " to Aq while some others assign " ankles " ....the discussions could go on and should go on... Sanjay, I could always be wrong, but I think it would be nice & educative to know why? I also want to understand, if truly there is no differentiation between chest and heart, why so many classical authors insist on it? Anyway, thanks to this discussion, and to Kasturi, I am referring to books i have not touched in the past 6 months! And, the collective dust raised by those books and these discussions is enough to give me asthma:--)) Regards, Lakshmi --- sanjayprabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote: > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Dear Lakshmi, > > > >Similarly while heart and breast > > (milk=Moon) certainly belong to Cancer... i don't > > think lungs do. > > The Heart is somewhat right in the middle of lungs. > There are parts > of Lungs which are side of heart and also some below > the heart. > > Refer Image: > http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus970.html > > So, The delineation of Lungs is quite difficult. > But the heart > certainly stays in Cancer, Some parts of the lungs > do come in Cancer. > Is my understanding. > > > Warm Regards > Sanjay P > Hari Om Tat Sat > > > From above Ref: Gray, Henry. 1918. > > " The substance of the lung is of a light, porous, > spongy texture; it > floats in water, and crepitates when handled, owing > to the presence of > air in the alveoli; it is also highly elastic; hence > the retracted > state of these organs when they are removed from the > closed cavity of > the thorax. The surface is smooth, shining, and > marked out into > numerous polyhedral areas, indicating the lobules of > the organ: each > of these areas is crossed by numerous lighter lines " > > " At birth the lungs are pinkish white in color; in > adult life the > color is a dark slaty gray, mottled in patches; and > as age advances, > this mottling assumes a black color. " > > > > > > Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 In a message dated 4/7/05 11:40:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, guruji writes: Jaya Jagannatha Sanjay, Thanks for this excellent note and it brings up something I've believed in for years. Even digestion starts from the 2nd house as it rules the mouth. In "medical astrology," a misnomer if ever there was one, we see the body as a bunch of unrelated parts and completely ignore what I'll call functional integrity. All the systems are related to each other and have a beautiful synchrony. It's a cosmology. We ignore the relationship and synchrony in jyotish and therefore miss the point in many cases... in my opinion. Your note here brings that symphony into play. If we just take this idea of kapha dosha: Kapha is water and earth. Its attributes are heavy, slow, cold, oily, liquid, slimy, dense, soft, static, sticky, cloudy, hard and gross. It is present in the lymph and in the blood as plasma. The lungs and respiratory tract is a primary site of Kapha, as is the semen, fat, connective tissue, and in the brain. It is present in the mouth (saliva), sinuses, stomach, pancreas, lymph nodes, synovial fluid. It is protective and the container for vata and pitta. Bodaka Kapha allows us to perceive through the sense of taste and is therefore in the mouth and it affects all other systems of Kapha in the entire body and we all know that each of the six tastes has a very specific affect on our health (sweet, sour, salty, bitter, pungent, astringent). We can indeed change the workings of the internal organs using this knowledge. Bodhaka kapha nourishes Kledaka Kapha in the upper stomach in the digestion of carbs and proteins and this in turn impacts Avalambaka Kapha in the heart and the lungs, Tarpaka Kapha in the brain and Shleshaka Kapha in the joints. Since we're talking about the lungs and heart let's stick with Avalambaka Kapha. Avalambaka Kapha gives lubrication to the respiratory and cardiovascular systems and it is present as the mucous lining of these organs and as fluid in the lungs, heart and throat. It maintains the muscle tone of the bronchi and the heart. If this sub-dosha is disordered then there is an accumulation of phlegm in the body. It carries prana and oxygenated blood from the lungs to the cells and organs through rasa dhatu. So you can see if there is excess kapha that it causes problems for prana vayu. Congestion is an example. The prana cannot get to that part or organ in the body. The lungs are said to be the seat of grief and if a person is going through a period of grief or sadness in life, it becomes disturbed and both lung and heart function is disturbed. Emotional attachment increase it too. Thus asthma can be a disorder of this sub-dosha. This of course is not a complete story of the lungs but it does tell us a good deal. There is the upper lung and the lower lung as well and we must distinguish between these two. There is also an upper stomach and lower stomach and I'm of the firm opinion that the upper stomach is ruled by the sign of Cancer and the lower stomach where jathar agni digests the food is the 5th house/Leo. I know this will cause some reactions but it makes sense, just as you say breathing begins in the 2nd house and then the 3rd and then the 4th. The food in the mouth mixes with Bodhaka Kapha and enters the upper stomach where it mixes with Kledhaka Kapha. If you put food in a pot, you have to add water before you put it on the fire or else you are in trouble. The stomach is like a pot and the upper stomach is where we add Kleda so that it can be cooked. The jathar agni, prana vaya and samana vayu are able to act on the food and move it into the small intestines for further digestion/cooking. There is functional integrity everywhere in the body and you can not isolate parts like an allopathic physician and see that one part has no relationship to another. The body is a microcosm and we have to stop this business of putting labels on things. We have to see relationship and intelligence and integrity and then we will understand why the body behaves as it does in a particular nativity. Best Regards, Brendan Jaya JagannathaDear LakshmiPlease read my letter again. My starting statement is very poignant and youshould not miss that as it is crucial in understanding the lungs and theentire breathing mechanism which stretches from 2nd house to 4th house. Itsnot a small mechanism. The walking mechanism stretches from 9th house to12th house...in this manner think of the mechanism.Secondly, even if the whole world of astrologers is on one side and Parasarais on the other, believe me I will stick to Parasara..after all He isKrishna Dwipaayana Vedavyasa's father and a Vedavyasa himself of an earlierera. The third house is arms and this is the most crucial part of the thirdhouse. The word 'bahu' is unambiguous.The point is my writing is necessary so that the students at AchyutaGurukulam do not start having notions. I always teach that Parasara is thefountain head of our knowledge. I have read each and every one of the otherbooks and also many others that you have not listed Lakshmi.One point I must add is that the third house is the *key factor* in thebreating process. The fourth house is a *retention and distribution* house.Examine these parts of the breathing process and walking process verycarefully to bring out the importance of the 3rd house and 9th house astaught by Jaimini.OK good bye till 10 MarchWith best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Lakshmi Please read my letter again. My starting statement is very poignant and you should not miss that as it is crucial in understanding the lungs and the entire breathing mechanism which stretches from 2nd house to 4th house. Its not a small mechanism. The walking mechanism stretches from 9th house to 12th house...in this manner think of the mechanism. Secondly, even if the whole world of astrologers is on one side and Parasara is on the other, believe me I will stick to Parasara..after all He is Krishna Dwipaayana Vedavyasa's father and a Vedavyasa himself of an earlier era. The third house is arms and this is the most crucial part of the third house. The word 'bahu' is unambiguous. The point is my writing is necessary so that the students at Achyuta Gurukulam do not start having notions. I always teach that Parasara is the fountain head of our knowledge. I have read each and every one of the other books and also many others that you have not listed Lakshmi. One point I must add is that the third house is the *key factor* in the breating process. The fourth house is a *retention and distribution* house. Examine these parts of the breathing process and walking process very carefully to bring out the importance of the 3rd house and 9th house as taught by Jaimini. OK good bye till 10 March With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Friday, April 08, 2005 12:52 AM varahamihira ; Re: |Sri Varaha| RE: Third house body part - Parasara Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, Your mail was a treat, though I must admit that it was totally unexpected! I thought the matter was too minor to merit your time and attention and better left to lesser folks like us, but then I guess I am wrong. I was also totally non-plussed by the old thread apprearing in a new avatar! Sir, let me have the pleasure of quoting from Phala deepika Sirovakthro rohrijjathara kativasti prajanana Sthalaamyaaroo jaanvoryugalamithi janghe padayugam Vilagnaatkaalaangaasya lijhushakuleeraanthimamidam Bhasandhirvikhyaathaa sakalabhavanaam taanasipare. Let me also quote from Brihat Jataka, prasna marga & many others... but then what's the use, if the discussion is already & obviously decided? But, I am really curious as to why such a massive body of information from other Classical Scholars (whom we very often quote in many other matters) is being disregarded? Sir, arms are certainly agencies for karma/work/Saturn and are naturally clubbed with vayu tattwa...gemini! I think people can survive without arms, but i doubt if they can without lungs:--)) Guruji, If YOU really think that Urasthana and hridaya are one and the same, I am dumbstruck and have nothing more to say. Are head and face one and the same? No. Similarly while heart and breast (milk=Moon) certainly belong to Cancer... i don't think lungs do. Sir, in my other mail to Samarth, I had just pointed out how afflicted Mercury can/had led to asthma. Gurudeva, I am eagerly waiting to read your article on body parts and hope to have more discussions...because with you they are always, fortunately, dialogues and not monologues! Happy journey, Guruji. Happy Ugadi too. Please convey my best wishes to your parents & other family members. May Lord Jagannath bless & empower you and all of us in SJC to travel undauntedly and unceasingly in search of Truth & Excellence. Regards, Lakshmi --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Lakshmi, Kasturi, Sarbani, Samarth > > Our understanding of a physical organ and the activity performed by > the organ can be different and this is where we find that sometimes > the great seers have also differed. In this context we find that the > great varahamihira has used the word *uras* or chest/upper chest to > refer to the thrid house region and has completely missed *arms* which > made me think that there has been a corruption in the text. After all > the arms are the most vital working organs where we display our skills > and we have so many dictum associated with the skills of *hands* and > the third from karakamsa. > > How can we miss out *arms* from the Kalapurusha? > > It becomes evident that the third sign needs a deeper examination and > for this we need to first study what Parasara says. > Parasara uses the word > *bahu* or *hands/arms* for the third house and this has been an > integral part of my understanding and learning. The sloka is given > under - zI;aRnne twa bax yT3aefkiqbSty>, gu}aeiyugle januyuGme vE > j' " ke twa. 4. > > girqdnane tathd bdh| hetkrorakavibastayay | guhyoruyugale jdnuyugme > vai jalghake tathd || 4|| > > The natural question arising is if the third house is already allotted > to the arms/hands by Parasara and the fourth house is called 'hrid' by > Parasara and all astrologers including Varahamihira then the fourth > house must be 'hrid'. Now we all know that hrid means heart (the > physical heart) and this is also referring to the seat of the soul and > the seat where the emotions of the mana are digested. So what about > the lungs and chest reagion? Well logically heart is in the chest > region. So I looked up the Monier Williams and found the following > meaning for the word hrid > > n. the heart (as the seat of feelings and emotions), soul , mind (as > seat of thought and intellectual operations ; breast , chest , stomach > , interior (also in older language , ` " interior of the body > > Stomach is already allocated to the fifth house, so we don't have a > problem here. Isn't it clear now that the third house represents > *arms* and fourth house represents the chest region including the > *heart, lungs and everything inside the rib cage* if we were to try > and understand Parasara. > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > PS > 1. I am travelling soon and if there are further doubts in this Visti > Larsen, Brendan Feeley and other Gurus may kindly clarify with some > examples to show the use of this knowledge in identifying disease. > 2. Can some kind soul please upload my paper on bhava and body > parts/health presented at Singapore. How can the students know unless > these papers are made available to everyone. > > * * * > Sri Jagannath Center. > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > _____ > > lakshmi ramesh > [b_lakshmi_ramesh] > Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:18 PM > > Re: FW: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & Wheezing > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste List, > > Sarvartha Chintamani, Phala Deepika, Prasna marga > and > The Integrated approach to Vedic astrology by Shri > PVR, to name a few, also UNAMBIGUOUSLY ascribe the > rulership of chest to Gemini/Mercury. > > Gemini (also Li, & Aq) and Mercury rule all three > Vaata, pitta, kapha (sleshma) or a mixture thereof. > It > is the nature of afflicting planet which decides the > tenor of affliction. ex:if Mercury/gemini is > afflicted > by waning moon, then kapha gets exaggerated. But, > more > commonly than cold, asthma is caused by allergy to > dust & pollution and there is usually no evidence of > sleshma in these cases. > > My father had suffered from asthma for a long time. > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > > _____ > > > > Bpfeeley [bpfeeley] > > Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:54 AM > > sarbani > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Asthma & > Wheezing > > > > > > In a message dated 4/6/05 9:23:57 A.M. Eastern > > Standard Time, > > sarbani writes: > > > > Sarbani, > > > > Yes, the lung is the seat of kapha and therefroe a > > kapha organ. > > > > All the best, > > Brendan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger > Show us what our next emoticon should look like. > Join the fun. > http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Gurudeva, Brendan ji and Sourav, Thank you for your beautiful, beautiful mails. I am really happy that at last this thread is getting real value inputs. A mail like this is worth 10 heart breaking [and back breaking too, because I went through so many books:--))]discussions. Sanjay ji, what comes effortlessly to you, comes only after much effort to people like me, especially those quotes...! It is really true that the respiratory system can begin from end of 2nd house and perhaps slope on to the begining of 4th house. I remember that some time back in Vedic-astrology list there were heated & rather elaborate debates on whether " neck " belonged to Taurus or Gemini...and also whether " genital system " belonged to libra or scorpio. So, also with this thread. If you read through these discussions, I am sure you'd notice that I was never ever the first one to put " labels " ! The credit for them goes elsewhere. Infact if you go through the debates i have had with members you'd always see that I was always the one who " pleaded " for an integrated vision of astrology, and that too not just with medicine ! From the begining, I have always said that both arms and chest can be signified by Gemini. I have concurred both with Parasara and Varahamihira and you can verify this from the thread, so the question of misleading the list or disrespecting Parasara does not arise. My discussions were always based on classical/modern references from some of the best known authors in astrology, and hence were verifiable. And, the members of the lists are extraordinarily intelligent and can draw their own conclusions after going through /participating in the debates, and I always thought that the very purpose of lists was such! I think Sourav had really beautifully explained the philosophy of the 3rd house in his recent mail. I am not an authority on medical astrology like Brendan (for whose experience and skill, I have the highest regard), but as told by Kasturi in his mail and as verified by me from the example chart, affliction to Mercury/Gemini does seem to indicate respiratory problems. Perhaps there are charts where afflictions to moon/cancer also indicate the same. My suggestion is that SJC perhaps can conduct a study where charts of " asthma " patients can be examined to determine this issue? I think that way we would be making the best use of this debate. Guruji, why " bye " till March 10? Surely you meant April 10th? Regards, Lakshmi --- Bpfeeley wrote: > > In a message dated 4/7/05 11:40:40 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > guruji writes: > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Sanjay, > > Thanks for this excellent note and it brings up > something I've believed in > for years. Even digestion starts from the 2nd house > as it rules the mouth. > > In " medical astrology, " a misnomer if ever there was > one, we see the body as > a bunch of unrelated parts and completely ignore > what I'll call functional > integrity. All the systems are related to each other > and have a beautiful > synchrony. It's a cosmology. We ignore the > relationship and synchrony in jyotish > and therefore miss the point in many cases... in my > opinion. Your note here > brings that symphony into play. > > If we just take this idea of kapha dosha: > > > Kapha is water and earth. Its attributes are heavy, > slow, cold, oily, > liquid, slimy, dense, soft, static, sticky, cloudy, > hard and gross. > It is present in the lymph and in the blood as > plasma. The lungs and > respiratory tract is a primary site of Kapha, as is > the semen, fat, connective > tissue, and in the brain. It is present in the mouth > (saliva), sinuses, stomach, > pancreas, lymph nodes, synovial fluid. > > It is protective and the container for vata and > pitta. > > Bodaka Kapha allows us to perceive through the sense > of taste and is > therefore in the mouth and it affects all other > systems of Kapha in the entire body > and we all know that each of the six tastes has a > very specific affect on our > health (sweet, sour, salty, bitter, pungent, > astringent). We can indeed > change the workings of the internal organs using > this knowledge. > > Bodhaka kapha nourishes Kledaka Kapha in the upper > stomach in the digestion > of carbs and proteins and this in turn impacts > Avalambaka Kapha in the heart > and the lungs, Tarpaka Kapha in the brain and > Shleshaka Kapha in the joints. > > Since we're talking about the lungs and heart let's > stick with Avalambaka > Kapha. > > > Avalambaka Kapha gives lubrication to the > respiratory and cardiovascular > systems and it is present as the mucous lining of > these organs and as fluid in > the lungs, heart and throat. It maintains the muscle > tone of the bronchi and > the heart. If this sub-dosha is disordered then > there is an accumulation of > phlegm in the body. > It carries prana and oxygenated blood from the lungs > to the cells and organs > through rasa dhatu. So you can see if there is > excess kapha that it causes > problems for prana vayu. Congestion is an example. > The prana cannot get to > that part or organ in the body. > The lungs are said to be the seat of grief and if a > person is going through > a period of grief or sadness in life, it becomes > disturbed and both lung and > heart function is disturbed. Emotional attachment > increase it too. Thus > asthma can be a disorder of this sub-dosha. > This of course is not a complete story of the lungs > but it does tell us a > good deal. There is the upper lung and the lower > lung as well and we must > distinguish between these two. > > There is also an upper stomach and lower stomach and > I'm of the firm opinion > that the upper stomach is ruled by the sign of > Cancer and the lower stomach > where jathar agni digests the food is the 5th > house/Leo. I know this will > cause some reactions but it makes sense, just as you > say breathing begins in the > 2nd house and then the 3rd and then the 4th. > > The food in the mouth mixes with Bodhaka Kapha and > enters the upper stomach > where it mixes with Kledhaka Kapha. If you put food > in a pot, you have to add > water before you put it on the fire or else you are > in trouble. The stomach > is like a pot and the upper stomach is where we add > Kleda so that it can be > cooked. The jathar agni, prana vaya and samana vayu > are able to act on the > food and move it into the small intestines for > further digestion/cooking. > > There is functional integrity everywhere in the body > and you can not isolate > parts like an allopathic physician and see that one > part has no relationship > to another. The body is a microcosm and we have to > stop this business of > putting labels on things. We have to see > relationship and intelligence and > integrity and then we will understand why the body > behaves as it does in a > particular nativity. > > Best Regards, > Brendan > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Lakshmi > > Please read my letter again. My starting statement > is very poignant and you > should not miss that as it is crucial in > understanding the lungs and the > entire breathing mechanism which stretches from 2nd > house to 4th house. Its > not a small mechanism. The walking mechanism > stretches from 9th house to > 12th house...in this manner think of the mechanism. > > Secondly, even if the whole world of astrologers is > on one side and Parasara > is on the other, believe me I will stick to > Parasara..after all He is > Krishna Dwipaayana Vedavyasa's father and a > Vedavyasa himself of an earlier > era. The third house is arms and this is the most > crucial part of the third > house. The word 'bahu' is unambiguous. > > The point is my writing is necessary so that the > students at Achyuta > Gurukulam do not start having notions. I always > teach that Parasara is the > fountain head of our knowledge. I have read each and > every one of the other > books and also many others that you have not listed > Lakshmi. > > One point I must add is that the third house is the > *key factor* in the > breating process. The fourth house is a *retention > and distribution* house. > Examine these parts of the breathing process and > walking process very > carefully to bring out the importance of the 3rd > house and 9th house as > taught by Jaimini. > > OK good bye till 10 March > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > > > > Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 In a message dated 4/8/05 2:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, b_lakshmi_ramesh writes: Namaste Lakshmi, The Rishis gave us the threads and they assumed that we'd follow with some intelligence and this is what you are saying. There has to be some sense and relationship in the signs, nakshatras, etc. For instance, Libra rules the kidneys and kidneys are related to sexual function. I will add to this later. We have to carry out some research and then we'll have more answers but first we must understand cosmic anatomy and physiology. You are always one to look beyond the labels. Best Regards, Brendan Namaste Gurudeva, Brendan ji and Sourav,Thank you for your beautiful, beautiful mails. I amreally happy that at last this thread is getting realvalue inputs. A mail like this is worth 10 heartbreaking [and back breaking too, because I wentthrough so many books:--))]discussions. Sanjay ji,what comes effortlessly to you, comes only after mucheffort to people like me, especially those quotes...!It is really true that the respiratory system canbegin from end of 2nd house and perhaps slope on tothe begining of 4th house. I remember that some timeback in Vedic-astrology list there were heated & rather elaborate debates on whether "neck" belonged toTaurus or Gemini...and also whether "genital system"belonged to libra or scorpio. So, also with thisthread. If you read through these discussions, I amsure you'd notice that I was never ever the first oneto put "labels"! The credit for them goes elsewhere.Infact if you go through the debates i have had withmembers you'd always see that I was always the one who"pleaded" for an integrated vision of astrology, andthat too not just with medicine !From the begining, I have always said that both armsand chest can be signified by Gemini. I have concurredboth with Parasara and Varahamihira and you can verifythis from the thread, so the question of misleadingthe list or disrespecting Parasara does not arise. Mydiscussions were always based on classical/modernreferences from some of the best known authors inastrology, and hence were verifiable. And, the membersof the lists are extraordinarily intelligent and candraw their own conclusions after going through/participating in the debates, and I always thoughtthat the very purpose of lists was such! I thinkSourav had really beautifully explained the philosophyof the 3rd house in his recent mail.I am not an authority on medical astrology likeBrendan (for whose experience and skill, I have thehighest regard), but as told by Kasturi in his mailand as verified by me from the example chart,affliction to Mercury/Gemini does seem to indicaterespiratory problems. Perhaps there are charts whereafflictions to moon/cancer also indicate the same. Mysuggestion is that SJC perhaps can conduct a studywhere charts of "asthma" patients can be examined todetermine this issue? I think that way we would bemaking the best use of this debate.Guruji, why "bye" till March 10? Surely you meantApril 10th?Regards,Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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