RE: Third house body part - Parasara & misc-to all members

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Brendan & other friends ,

 

Thanks for your very gentle and very valuable reply.

It’s open mindedness certainly gladdens my heart and

it is the presence of people like you & Guru ji,

Narasimha and the other Gurus and members, that still

makes one believe in SJC and its pledge to

intellectual freedom and honesty. You’d have noticed

that in the recent past, perfectly intellectual

discussions deteriorated into unseemly rows because of

some one’s inability to sustain a logical debate;

hysterical reactions to any opposing view, and

unnecessary show of authority, resulting in the unfair

exit of a Guru and a sishya with good potential. I can

guess that it could be my turn next, because of my

open support for Chandrasekhar ji and Saaji. It is

evident in the way this particular thread turned out

…and all because Kasturi (poor guy, even he couldn’t

have imagined this outcome!) made the fatal mistake of

saying that I could have given the right reason, and

all the hell broke loose…Visti was asked to arbitrate,

your opinion was sought and Guruji was brought in as

the last resort …knowing my respect for him and his

affection for me (it was obvious in his mail as was

his pain and discomfort). Either I would abandon the

discussion or go against Guruji and anger him…both of

which would serve the purpose admirably. Such

brilliance…only if it were used for the right purpose

and not mostly for eliminating opposition!

 

Infact, it never occurred to me even in my wildest

dreams, that quoting Varahamihira could constitute a

threat to Parasara and I am sure the great Maharishi

himself would be laughing at this petty mirroring of

one’s own insecurities and unsureness onto him. If

Parasara is like the Sun, Varahamihira is like the

moon and an examination/appreciation of the moon is

never intended as a slight to the Sun, because

basically Sun is the source of all light. The very

brilliance of the Sun can often make it impossible to

study it whereas the balmy light of the moon can make

understanding much easier. And, does the Sun need any

defences? Parasara also does not need our defence, his

monumental work and towering intellect speak for

themselves. If one is making an honest attempt to

understand the intricacies of astrology as told by

Parasara and Varahamihira, I am sure it is much more

of a great tribute to them that any thing else would.

Anyone who cares to go through the discussion would

see that I was earnestly trying to explain every

single bit/nuance and never ever used any terms that

needed to invoke the intervention of Guruji and that

rebuke about misleading the list, when I have done

nothing to deserve it.

 

Under such intense intellectual policing I am really

feeling claustrophobic. Because where there is true

knowledge and intelligence, there is great breadth of

thought and the band of acceptance is very very

broad…like that of Guruji ! I also keep wondering

whether it is worth to compromise so much on one’s

lifelong principles to lead such a tenuous existence

and whether I can survive much longer here, where

power politics continue to vitiate the atmosphere. I

always felt that ashrams were the ideal places to

learn, because there are no boundaries any where…no

walls…no ceilings…and no barriers between guru and

sishya and between thought and action. Especially for

a subtle science like astrology, that kind of

boundless peace, that kind of intense enquiry are

very very necessary. Ofcourse, you know all this. I

fondly recall that once SJC was like that…I prefer to

remember it like that.

 

Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the

conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not

opting out of your studentship. You’ll always always

guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please

transfer my few students to other gurus.

 

Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions with

all of you, all through these years. You all have

shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I

have ever hurt you by my words or deeds.

 

Narasimha, you could be the next!

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

--- Bpfeeley wrote:

>

> In a message dated 4/8/05 2:54:32 A.M. Eastern

> Standard Time,

> b_lakshmi_ramesh writes:

>

> Namaste Lakshmi,

>

> The Rishis gave us the threads and they assumed that

> we'd follow with some

> intelligence and this is what you are saying. There

> has to be some sense and

> relationship in the signs, nakshatras, etc. For

> instance, Libra rules the

> kidneys and kidneys are related to sexual function.

> I will add to this later.

>

> We have to carry out some research and then we'll

> have more answers but

> first we must understand cosmic anatomy and

> physiology.

>

> You are always one to look beyond the labels.

>

> Best Regards,

> Brendan

>

>

>

> Namaste Gurudeva, Brendan ji and Sourav,

>

> Thank you for your beautiful, beautiful mails. I am

> really happy that at last this thread is getting

> real

> value inputs. A mail like this is worth 10 heart

> breaking [and back breaking too, because I went

> through so many books:--))]discussions. Sanjay

> ji,

> what comes effortlessly to you, comes only after

> much

> effort to people like me, especially those

> quotes...!

>

> It is really true that the respiratory system can

> begin from end of 2nd house and perhaps slope on to

> the begining of 4th house. I remember that some

> time

> back in Vedic-astrology list there were heated &

> rather elaborate debates on whether " neck " belonged

> to

> Taurus or Gemini...and also whether " genital system "

> belonged to libra or scorpio. So, also with this

> thread. If you read through these discussions, I am

> sure you'd notice that I was never ever the first

> one

> to put " labels " ! The credit for them goes elsewhere.

>

> Infact if you go through the debates i have had

> with

> members you'd always see that I was always the one

> who

> " pleaded " for an integrated vision of astrology,

> and

> that too not just with medicine !

>

> From the begining, I have always said that both

> arms

> and chest can be signified by Gemini. I have

> concurred

> both with Parasara and Varahamihira and you can

> verify

> this from the thread, so the question of misleading

> the list or disrespecting Parasara does not arise.

> My

> discussions were always based on classical/modern

> references from some of the best known authors in

> astrology, and hence were verifiable. And, the

> members

> of the lists are extraordinarily intelligent and

> can

> draw their own conclusions after going through

> /participating in the debates, and I always thought

> that the very purpose of lists was such! I think

> Sourav had really beautifully explained the

> philosophy

> of the 3rd house in his recent mail.

>

> I am not an authority on medical astrology like

> Brendan (for whose experience and skill, I have the

> highest regard), but as told by Kasturi in his mail

> and as verified by me from the example chart,

> affliction to Mercury/Gemini does seem to indicate

> respiratory problems. Perhaps there are charts

> where

> afflictions to moon/cancer also indicate the same.

> My

> suggestion is that SJC perhaps can conduct a study

> where charts of " asthma " patients can be examined

> to

> determine this issue? I think that way we would be

> making the best use of this debate.

>

> Guruji, why " bye " till March 10? Surely you meant

> April 10th?

>

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

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