Guest guest Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Dear Lakshmi, Does someone else have access to your e-mail account? This in't you, surely! Ramapriya ayirpamar varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Namaste Brendan & other friends , > > Thanks for your very gentle and very valuable reply. > It's open mindedness certainly gladdens my heart and > it is the presence of people like you & Guru ji, > Narasimha and the other Gurus and members, that still > makes one believe in SJC and its pledge to > intellectual freedom and honesty. You'd have noticed > that in the recent past, perfectly intellectual > discussions deteriorated into unseemly rows because of > some one's inability to sustain a logical debate; > hysterical reactions to any opposing view, and > unnecessary show of authority, resulting in the unfair > exit of a Guru and a sishya with good potential. I can > guess that it could be my turn next, because of my > open support for Chandrasekhar ji and Saaji. It is > evident in the way this particular thread turned out > …and all because Kasturi (poor guy, even he couldn't > have imagined this outcome!) made the fatal mistake of > saying that I could have given the right reason, and > all the hell broke loose…Visti was asked to arbitrate, > your opinion was sought and Guruji was brought in as > the last resort …knowing my respect for him and his > affection for me (it was obvious in his mail as was > his pain and discomfort). Either I would abandon the > discussion or go against Guruji and anger him…both of > which would serve the purpose admirably. Such > brilliance…only if it were used for the right purpose > and not mostly for eliminating opposition! > > Infact, it never occurred to me even in my wildest > dreams, that quoting Varahamihira could constitute a > threat to Parasara and I am sure the great Maharishi > himself would be laughing at this petty mirroring of > one's own insecurities and unsureness onto him. If > Parasara is like the Sun, Varahamihira is like the > moon and an examination/appreciation of the moon is > never intended as a slight to the Sun, because > basically Sun is the source of all light. The very > brilliance of the Sun can often make it impossible to > study it whereas the balmy light of the moon can make > understanding much easier. And, does the Sun need any > defences? Parasara also does not need our defence, his > monumental work and towering intellect speak for > themselves. If one is making an honest attempt to > understand the intricacies of astrology as told by > Parasara and Varahamihira, I am sure it is much more > of a great tribute to them that any thing else would. > Anyone who cares to go through the discussion would > see that I was earnestly trying to explain every > single bit/nuance and never ever used any terms that > needed to invoke the intervention of Guruji and that > rebuke about misleading the list, when I have done > nothing to deserve it. > > Under such intense intellectual policing I am really > feeling claustrophobic. Because where there is true > knowledge and intelligence, there is great breadth of > thought and the band of acceptance is very very > broad…like that of Guruji ! I also keep wondering > whether it is worth to compromise so much on one's > lifelong principles to lead such a tenuous existence > and whether I can survive much longer here, where > power politics continue to vitiate the atmosphere. I > always felt that ashrams were the ideal places to > learn, because there are no boundaries any where…no > walls…no ceilings…and no barriers between guru and > sishya and between thought and action. Especially for > a subtle science like astrology, that kind of > boundless peace, that kind of intense enquiry are > very very necessary. Ofcourse, you know all this. I > fondly recall that once SJC was like that…I prefer to > remember it like that. > > Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the > conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not > opting out of your studentship. You'll always always > guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please > transfer my few students to other gurus. > > Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions with > all of you, all through these years. You all have > shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I > have ever hurt you by my words or deeds. > > Narasimha, you could be the next! > > Regards, > Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2005 Report Share Posted April 9, 2005 Namaste Lakshmi garu, Happy lunar new year Paarthiva, to you and others who celebrate it today! I did one Panchanga Sravanam (giving readings for the next year) this morning at a function organized by a local spiritual organization and will do another in a few hours at another function of local Telugus. I hope the year Paarthiva brings happiness, peace and prosperity to all! > Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the> conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not> opting out of your studentship. You’ll always always> guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please> transfer my few students to other gurus.> > Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions with> all of you, all through these years. You all have> shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I> have ever hurt you by my words or deeds. I am sad to see this turn of events. Please be cool-headed. Sanjay has always tolerated arguments and you should also tolerate his arguing with you. Just because he disagrees with you and argues against your views, you cannot think that your views are being shut off and walk out. You asked for an open-minded argument and you got one from Sanjay. Go ahead and make a logical argument. It's as simple as that. Nobody showed any disrespect to you or your views. They simply disagree with you. They have a right to disagree with you, just as you have a right to express your views. Please rethink your decision and come back. You have always been a calming influence on this list, with your balanced and saattwik style. > Narasimha, you could be the next! Thank you very much for this unsolicited prediction/warning! :-) I have no grudge against anyone and no disrespect for anyone. I have been an open book and have no accumulated emotions (which often work as the trigger for unreasonable actions). Without my asking, Sanjay wrote in my introduction in an article in Jyotish Digest that I am the next head of SJC. That honestly did not make me happy. If my ways offend Sanjay tomorrow and he expels me from SJC, I am sure I will not be sad either. There is no difference between both, for both are maya. They really are. The satya is that I have already got a lot of knowledge from Sanjay and I am grateful to him for that. Even if he decides to suspend my guru-ship or student-ship, I will not be un happy. When I have gotten so much, I have no further expectations and anything I get is a bonus! So, I don't mind if your prediction comes true. If I am given a chance to express and discuss my views, I will. If not, I will not. If I am allowed to stay, I will stay. If I am asked to leave, I will leave. > Regards,> Lakshmi You made a hasty decision. Please rethink coolly. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Namasthe Laxmi garu, Another Krishna paksha Chaturdasi went by, but not without raking up another controversy. This time eclipse added to it. Hopefully, the next 6 months will be better! i thought your arguements/ view-point were not accepted and Not You. Anyway this is just my view. Hope to see you at the Delhi conference. Meanwhile, keep posting your invigorating mails. Remember, what Guru Ji said about your observation on the Poorna Avatars ... Original, i.e., precisely the point. regards Suryaviswanadham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Narasimha garu, Paarthiva naama samvatsara subhaakaankshalu. Thank you for your affectionate mail. I request you to go through my earlier mail again. I never felt bad about the arguments forwarded by Guruji, infact I appreciated them. Guruji always has the right to correct me. But the one thing that certainly hurt me was the unfair allegation that I was misleading Achyuta Gurukul list. Was I doing it, Narasimha garu? If he had really gone through the entire thread himself, uninfluenced, he would have never ever said that, because he knows my sense of responsibility and commitment to Truth. Narasimha garu, he asked me to have faith...did he himself have that faith in me, when he said that I was misleading the list? If I am capable of doing that, then I don't deserve to be a Guru and a member of SJC. He asked me to wait till the eclipse is over, and then why he himself violated it? I had umpteen debates on & off the lists both with other members and Guruji, but have I ever threatened to quit? I have done it now because I had always believed in Guruji and looked to him for fairness. When he made that statement about misleading the list, perhaps something very fragile yet something very precious had died within me. What thousand genuine debates and disagreements could never achieve, that single unfair statement did. I was always appreciative of opposing views & had great regard for my adversaries...you can ask any one on the lists. And, I never ever asked some one else to intervene on my behalf, because I have never been afraid of losing and never wanted to win at any cost. If I know, I know...if I don't I'll learn. Winning was never important to me, but learning was. When that very need, that very learnig and breadth of vision, for which i have joined SJC, was being denied to me in the name of narrow divisions, what is the purpose of staying on in SJC? Infact I wanted to leave last week itself... because a part of me continued to be unhappy about Chandrasekhar ji & Saaji. But on last Saturday I had a dream, in which Sanjay ji was crying and repeatedly saying " don't go...Lakshmi...don't go " . Though it was a dream his pain was so palpable and his distress so genuine, as though his very soul was in agony, I thought I would stay back, till he himself asks me to go. Perhaps it was just a dream and a figment of my imagination ..perhaps I was wrong to count on that. But then, as you know, I am often silly about such matters. I know that you are totally detached. My warning stemmed more from my concern for the organisation than for you. Guruji had done the right thing by making you his successor. Your honesty and courage should always be the " Sri Rama Raksha " for the organisation and hopefully would one day arrest these alarming trends. I will wait for that day and would definitely like to come back to SJC then....an SJC which is open minded, secure from within, truly strong and unafraid. Yesterday after I had communicated my decision, I felt very free and happy...as though I had finally succeeded in rolling off a huge rock off my chest. Yesterday evening I too attended a " panchanga sravanam " by Madugula Naga Phani Sharma, Annamacharya Sankirtanas sung by Garimella Balakrishna Prasad, mridanga laya vinnyasam by Yella Venkateswara Rao, " Sri Krishna Parijatam " , a nritya roopakam was enacted by Padmaja Reddy & group and Kuchipudi Pada vinnyasam by Amukta Malyada. But the best was a lecture delivered by Jannat Ismail...his knowledge of vedas and his ability to achieve synchronisation of two seemingly irreconcilable religions were wonderful. My day was made and I was at peace. Staying at Tirupati really helps, you know? Regards, Lakshmi --- " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > Namaste Lakshmi garu, > > Happy lunar new year Paarthiva, to you and others > who celebrate it today! I did one Panchanga Sravanam > (giving readings for the next year) this morning at > a function organized by a local spiritual > organization and will do another in a few hours at > another function of local Telugus. I hope the year > Paarthiva brings happiness, peace and prosperity to > all! > > > Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the > > conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not > > opting out of your studentship. You'll always > always > > guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please > > transfer my few students to other gurus. > > > > Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions > with > > all of you, all through these years. You all have > > shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I > > have ever hurt you by my words or deeds. > > I am sad to see this turn of events. Please be > cool-headed. Sanjay has always tolerated arguments > and you should also tolerate his arguing with you. > Just because he disagrees with you and argues > against your views, you cannot think that your views > are being shut off and walk out. You asked for an > open-minded argument and you got one from Sanjay. Go > ahead and make a logical argument. It's as simple as > that. Nobody showed any disrespect to you or your > views. They simply disagree with you. They have a > right to disagree with you, just as you have a right > to express your views. > > Please rethink your decision and come back. You have > always been a calming influence on this list, with > your balanced and saattwik style. > > > Narasimha, you could be the next! > > Thank you very much for this unsolicited > prediction/warning! :-) > > I have no grudge against anyone and no disrespect > for anyone. I have been an open book and have no > accumulated emotions (which often work as the > trigger for unreasonable actions). > > Without my asking, Sanjay wrote in my introduction > in an article in Jyotish Digest that I am the next > head of SJC. That honestly did not make me happy. If > my ways offend Sanjay tomorrow and he expels me from > SJC, I am sure I will not be sad either. There is no > difference between both, for both are maya. They > really are. > > The satya is that I have already got a lot of > knowledge from Sanjay and I am grateful to him for > that. Even if he decides to suspend my guru-ship or > student-ship, I will not be un happy. When I have > gotten so much, I have no further expectations and > anything I get is a bonus! > > So, I don't mind if your prediction comes true. If I > am given a chance to express and discuss my views, I > will. If not, I will not. If I am allowed to stay, I > will stay. If I am asked to leave, I will leave. > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > You made a hasty decision. Please rethink coolly. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Hi Rama, This is certainly the laughing Lakshmi you know! But then I guess, you wouldn't know that facet of hers which made her fight, in the middle of a street, for hapless animals being unfairly flogged; or about a Lakshmi who literally ran after lecherous guys and thrashed them in broad daylight and in heavily populated streets...because they were bent upon heaping indignities on women, that too not once; or about that Lakshmi who fought single handedly for restoration of dignity to her Guru; or about that Lakshmi who charged fearlessly into a mob to restore order. Mine could be a lone voice against the injustice..but I still think it counts. Don't worry Rama, this is not my first battle nor will it be my last...and the fight is against a reprehensible pattern which is becoming repeatable...it is not against people. Tomorrow, I might fight " for " the same people again! And, Rama I believe in Sattwa, which is strength in action. I can be nice and sugary on the lists and catty behind. But i choose not to be like that. I want the malaise to be out in the open, it needs to be acknowledged and addressed for real peace to prevail...not be swept under the carpet. Image never mattered to me, what really matters to me is that I should be able to look myself in the eye. If you think that I am a stupid woman who still believes in archaic things like Dharma and dreams...kya karen, main tho aisi hi hoon! (the dialogue is not original:--))) Affly, Lakshmi --- ramapriya_d <ayirpamar wrote: > > Dear Lakshmi, > > Does someone else have access to your e-mail > account? This in't you, > surely! > > Ramapriya > ayirpamar > > > varahamihira , lakshmi ramesh > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Namaste Brendan & other friends , > > > > Thanks for your very gentle and very valuable > reply. > > It's open mindedness certainly gladdens my heart > and > > it is the presence of people like you & Guru ji, > > Narasimha and the other Gurus and members, that > still > > makes one believe in SJC and its pledge to > > intellectual freedom and honesty. You'd have > noticed > > that in the recent past, perfectly intellectual > > discussions deteriorated into unseemly rows > because of > > some one's inability to sustain a logical debate; > > hysterical reactions to any opposing view, and > > unnecessary show of authority, resulting in the > unfair > > exit of a Guru and a sishya with good potential. I > can > > guess that it could be my turn next, because of my > > open support for Chandrasekhar ji and Saaji. It is > > evident in the way this particular thread turned > out > > …and all because Kasturi (poor guy, even he > couldn't > > have imagined this outcome!) made the fatal > mistake of > > saying that I could have given the right reason, > and > > all the hell broke loose…Visti was asked to > arbitrate, > > your opinion was sought and Guruji was brought in > as > > the last resort …knowing my respect for him and > his > > affection for me (it was obvious in his mail as > was > > his pain and discomfort). Either I would abandon > the > > discussion or go against Guruji and anger him…both > of > > which would serve the purpose admirably. Such > > brilliance…only if it were used for the right > purpose > > and not mostly for eliminating opposition! > > > > Infact, it never occurred to me even in my wildest > > dreams, that quoting Varahamihira could constitute > a > > threat to Parasara and I am sure the great > Maharishi > > himself would be laughing at this petty mirroring > of > > one's own insecurities and unsureness onto him. If > > Parasara is like the Sun, Varahamihira is like the > > moon and an examination/appreciation of the moon > is > > never intended as a slight to the Sun, because > > basically Sun is the source of all light. The very > > brilliance of the Sun can often make it impossible > to > > study it whereas the balmy light of the moon can > make > > understanding much easier. And, does the Sun need > any > > defences? Parasara also does not need our defence, > his > > monumental work and towering intellect speak for > > themselves. If one is making an honest attempt to > > understand the intricacies of astrology as told > by > > Parasara and Varahamihira, I am sure it is much > more > > of a great tribute to them that any thing else > would. > > Anyone who cares to go through the discussion > would > > see that I was earnestly trying to explain every > > single bit/nuance and never ever used any terms > that > > needed to invoke the intervention of Guruji and > that > > rebuke about misleading the list, when I have done > > nothing to deserve it. > > > > Under such intense intellectual policing I am > really > > feeling claustrophobic. Because where there is > true > > knowledge and intelligence, there is great breadth > of > > thought and the band of acceptance is very very > > broad…like that of Guruji ! I also keep wondering > > whether it is worth to compromise so much on one's > > lifelong principles to lead such a tenuous > existence > > and whether I can survive much longer here, where > > power politics continue to vitiate the atmosphere. > I > > always felt that ashrams were the ideal places to > > learn, because there are no boundaries any > where…no > > walls…no ceilings…and no barriers between guru and > > sishya and between thought and action. Especially > for > > a subtle science like astrology, that kind of > > boundless peace, that kind of intense enquiry are > > very very necessary. Ofcourse, you know all this. > I > > fondly recall that once SJC was like that…I prefer > to > > remember it like that. > > > > Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the > > conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not > > opting out of your studentship. You'll always > always > > guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please > > transfer my few students to other gurus. > > > > Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions > with > > all of you, all through these years. You all have > > shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I > > have ever hurt you by my words or deeds. > > > > Narasimha, you could be the next! > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Dakshinamurtaye Namah Dear Lakshmi, You have always told me that I am like your daughter.If you really meant that and I know you did you cannot leave.I said this earlier too that leaving is not an option as we our a family.Family members in India have arguments and fights and resolve things but they do not break the family.I am sure you will give the very same advice to your two sons and daughters- in- law to come.So please be here, make your point and resolve things but leaving is not an option.I am your student and I am your responsibility and I am not going to have a change of guru no matter what! Looking forward to reading more of your emails. Love and regards, Kanupriya. lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Narasimha garu,Paarthiva naama samvatsara subhaakaankshalu.Thank you for your affectionate mail. I request you togo through my earlier mail again. I never felt badabout the arguments forwarded by Guruji, infact Iappreciated them. Guruji always has the right tocorrect me.But the one thing that certainly hurt me was theunfair allegation that I was misleading AchyutaGurukul list. Was I doing it, Narasimha garu? If he had really gonethrough the entire thread himself, uninfluenced, hewould have never ever said that, because he knows mysense of responsibility and commitment to Truth.Narasimha garu, he asked me to have faith...did hehimself have that faith in me, when he said that I wasmisleading the list? If I am capable of doing that,then I don't deserve to be a Guru and a member of SJC.He asked me to wait till the eclipse is over, and thenwhy he himself violated it? I had umpteen debates on & off the lists both withother members and Guruji, but have I ever threatenedto quit? I have done it now because I had alwaysbelieved in Guruji and looked to him for fairness.When he made that statement about misleading the list,perhaps something very fragile yet something veryprecious had died within me. What thousand genuinedebates and disagreements could never achieve, thatsingle unfair statement did.I was always appreciative of opposing views & hadgreat regard for my adversaries...you can ask any oneon the lists. And, I never ever asked some one else tointervene on my behalf, because I have never beenafraid of losing and never wanted to win at any cost. If I know, I know...if I don't I'll learn. Winning wasnever important to me, but learning was. When thatvery need, that very learnig and breadth of vision,for which i have joined SJC, was being denied to me inthe name of narrow divisions, what is the purpose ofstaying on in SJC? Infact I wanted to leave last week itself... because apart of me continued to be unhappy about Chandrasekharji & Saaji. But on last Saturday I had a dream, inwhich Sanjay ji was crying and repeatedly saying"don't go...Lakshmi...don't go". Though it was a dreamhis pain was so palpable and his distress so genuine,as though his very soul was in agony, I thought Iwould stay back, till he himself asks me to go.Perhaps it was just a dream and a figment of myimagination ..perhaps I was wrong to count on that.But then, as you know, I am often silly about suchmatters. I know that you are totally detached. My warningstemmed more from my concern for the organisation thanfor you. Guruji had done the right thing by making youhis successor. Your honesty and courage should alwaysbe the "Sri Rama Raksha" for the organisation andhopefully would one day arrest these alarming trends.I will wait for that day and would definitely like tocome back to SJC then....an SJC which is open minded,secure from within, truly strong and unafraid. Yesterday after I had communicated my decision, I feltvery free and happy...as though I had finallysucceeded in rolling off a huge rock off my chest.Yesterday evening I too attended a "panchangasravanam" by Madugula Naga Phani Sharma, AnnamacharyaSankirtanas sung by Garimella Balakrishna Prasad,mridanga laya vinnyasam by Yella Venkateswara Rao,"Sri Krishna Parijatam", a nritya roopakam was enactedby Padmaja Reddy & group and Kuchipudi Pada vinnyasamby Amukta Malyada. But the best was a lecturedelivered by Jannat Ismail...his knowledge of vedasand his ability to achieve synchronisation of twoseemingly irreconcilable religions were wonderful. Myday was made and I was at peace. Staying at Tirupati really helps, you know?Regards,Lakshmi --- "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote:> Namaste Lakshmi garu,> > Happy lunar new year Paarthiva, to you and others> who celebrate it today! I did one Panchanga Sravanam> (giving readings for the next year) this morning at> a function organized by a local spiritual> organization and will do another in a few hours at> another function of local Telugus. I hope the year> Paarthiva brings happiness, peace and prosperity to> all!> > > Guruji, on this new years day I have taken the> > conscious decision of opting out of SJC, but not> > opting out of your studentship. You'll always> always> > guide me in spirit, though not in person. Please> > transfer my few students to other gurus.> > > > Friends, I have really enjoyed my interactions> with> > all of you, all through these years. You all have> > shown me immense affection. Please forgive me if I> > have ever hurt you by my words or deeds.> > I am sad to see this turn of events. Please be> cool-headed. Sanjay has always tolerated arguments> and you should also tolerate his arguing with you.> Just because he disagrees with you and argues> against your views, you cannot think that your views> are being shut off and walk out. You asked for an> open-minded argument and you got one from Sanjay. Go> ahead and make a logical argument. It's as simple as> that. Nobody showed any disrespect to you or your> views. They simply disagree with you. They have a> right to disagree with you, just as you have a right> to express your views.> > Please rethink your decision and come back. You have> always been a calming influence on this list, with> your balanced and saattwik style.> > > Narasimha, you could be the next!> > Thank you very much for this unsolicited> prediction/warning! :-)> > I have no grudge against anyone and no disrespect> for anyone. I have been an open book and have no> accumulated emotions (which often work as the> trigger for unreasonable actions).> > Without my asking, Sanjay wrote in my introduction> in an article in Jyotish Digest that I am the next> head of SJC. That honestly did not make me happy. If> my ways offend Sanjay tomorrow and he expels me from> SJC, I am sure I will not be sad either. There is no> difference between both, for both are maya. They> really are.> > The satya is that I have already got a lot of> knowledge from Sanjay and I am grateful to him for> that. Even if he decides to suspend my guru-ship or> student-ship, I will not be un happy. When I have> gotten so much, I have no further expectations and> anything I get is a bonus!> > So, I don't mind if your prediction comes true. If I> am given a chance to express and discuss my views, I> will. If not, I will not. If I am allowed to stay, I> will stay. If I am asked to leave, I will leave.> > > Regards,> > Lakshmi> > You made a hasty decision. Please rethink coolly.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha>-------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows):> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> ------------------------------- |Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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