Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Dear Sanjay, I do not know why you sent mail to boxdel address as all your previous mails have been to chandrashekhar46 address and you are aware I do not access the former id. I came to know of the mail from someone and therefore accessed the boxdel id. I do not know where from you got the idea in your head that I am starting my own group. Knowing astrology, you should be able to understand my nature. The reference to Shaiva etc. in your mail defies logic. I see Parameshwar in Nirakara rupa of Parabrahman who manifests in different forms and believe that everybody is free to have faith in the form that he sees the Brahman in. At my age, I can not change my beliefs for attractive words like secularism. If the reference is to my opinion on Shankaracharya being the ultimate arbiter of Vedas and Vedangas, that is opinion of majority of Hindus. I did not know that one has to change one's faith if one has to be Guru of SJC. This is news to me. If the reference is to website hosted by Prabodh, I find many of Gurus having their own websites. I have not designed the website not moderate it. I also did not see anything that is against Chaitanya Mahaprabhu on the website. You are perfectly aware that the classes were started at your instance and you also announced that SJC Nagpur is to be formed and you asked me to head it. There was a T.V. Program recorded, where you made this announcement. if I remember right, you had talked about some form of on line examination and that was being tried on the site. I have a grave doubt that this has to do with inconvenience caused to some who do not want Jyotish taught free of cost. Having said that, since you have indirectly suggested that I leave, I am leaving the group now. I will continue teaching Jyotish to those who want to learn, but not on your forum as it appears to distress many. I am certain you will take care of those who are presently learning Jyotish in the SJC Nagpur Jyotish class. I had expected more balanced view from you,you could have sent a personal mail to me had you thought there was something amiss, but perhaps this has to do with transit of Rahu and aspect of Shani on your Lagna. I am forced to post this on public forum since you chose to do that. I remember with fondness the time spent with you and all other Gurus and shishyas and am leaving with a heavy heart. I take this opportunity to beg forgiveness of anybody who might have been hurt by me during my association with SJC. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Pranaam Sanjay, I admire the commitment to religious pluarality. BTW, what is the website of "NJC"? I don't have any comments on this episode, but I do have a question. I am starting a philanthropic non-profit organization in collaboration with a local priest who is a very accomplished Ganesha and Shakti worshipper. He works at a local temple. When he did a homam for goddess Durga at the temple once, the fire rose upto 5 feet and took the form of Durga sitting on a lion and stayed like that for a few seconds. He is very learned and capable and yet very humble. He has Ketu in Scorpio lagna aspected by AK Jupiter. In navamsa, AK Jupiter is in Virgo and Ketu is alone in Leo (only planets who aspect Ketu are Sun and Moon). Ketu is in Isaana's dasamsa. Our organization is for helping people in distress using Jyotisha and poojas. Once a couple of months, I will spend a whole weekend at the local temple and suggest remedies to people in trouble (based on the chart). That priest will perform the remedies. It's a totally philanthropic mission and not commercial at all. We launched this organization with a Ganesha homam at the same muhurtam at which free JHora was released (i.e. a few minutes after my Satya Narayana vratam ended on Maagha Pournima). The activities will start shortly. This organization does not spread Jyotish or conduct astrology teachings and researches. But it does put the Jyotish knowledge to use in collaboration with Hindu religious methods. As an SJC guru, I do not force my belief system on others. But, I will be using my Jyotish knowledge via this organization to help people who share my beliefs. When I teach Jyotish at Sadhu Vaswani Center on Sundays, I teach as an SJC guru and maintain religious plurality. Though concepts from Hindu philosophy run as an under-current in several discussions, I try to be respectful of other religions. However, our philanthropic organization is strictly based on our personal religious beliefs. I hope this is acceptable to you or whoever is the next Chairman. BTW, thank you for suggesting my name. However, I am not able to do justice to several roles I have already accepted in my life. There are so many students who seek knowledge and so many people in trouble who need Jyotish help, that send me mails. I get to help only some and leave many mails without replying. If I have more time, I'd rather help more people. Also, the last year or so has been extremely fruitful in my search for true knowledge. All the seeds sown by you a few years back are finally bearing fruit. So much knowledge is coming so easily now. All the confusions are automatically getting resolved like dispersing clouds. Transit of Jupiter and Ketu over my natal Moon was very useful. Now they are transiting over my lagna. So I want to focus my energies on getting knowledge and also helping people. Please do not give me any new responsibilities, as I will not be able to do full justice. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha-------------------------------Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org------------------------------- - Sanjay Rath varahamihira ; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao ; Amol Mandar ; Chandrashekhar Friday, April 22, 2005 2:13 AM Some issues and new chairman Jaya Jagannatha Dear Prabodh and SJC, The latest thing happening is *NJC* which I think can mean *NOT Jagannath Center* or Nagpur Class of some organisation. Let me again spell out some of the ehical principles by which we have associated at the *Sri Jagannath Center*. 1. The body SJC is totally non-political and is *not* a religious or quasi-religious body. In other words we are not affiliated to any religious organisation and are apolitical. Although I am personally a believer that Sri Chaitanya is *Mahaprabhu* or an amsa-avatar of the Lord and believe in Sri Krishna as the Yuga avatara I have not enforced this view on anyone and have adhered to the secular principle that all believers of all religions and castes and creeds are welcome. Buddhists like Phyllis Chubb are as welcome as Shiva followers like Zoran or Shakti worshippers like Sarbani and Freedom. Muslims like Muhammad Imran and many true Christians have added great learning value by sharing their deep understanding of the Jyotish principles and have shown how this has been useful for them in understanding their religion and spiritualpath. That is what SJC was meant to be and to that extent we have an open house that has successfully catered to such a diverse group. The NJC website is seen as being promoted by a certain religious sect. Although we have utmost respect for the Kanchi Sankaracharya, the SJC is not affiliated to the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham even though various members of SJC have often supported the Kanchi Math in various capacities. http://.org/education/devavrata.htm Please note that Dewavrata Buit is the head of SJC Nagpur and is also the secretary of SJCERC. He has not been teaching for SJC Nagpur (and may do so in future if time permits) and free classes are being conducted by Prabodh who has learnt well from SJC. 2. In view of the above, Sri Chandrasekhar is welcome to start his own organisation and have whatever political or religious affiliation he so desires but cannot do so so long as he is a Jyotish Guru of SJC. He is requested to kindly consider these issues and take suitable steps. It was a pleasure to have his association at SJC for whatever time and hope that we can continue to share our knowledge. 3. I have asked Prabodh to make the necessary changes in the website he has made for the purpose of the classes. In fact such a website is not necessary for the present. 4. Let me make it very clear that to the best of my knowledge Sri Jayendra Saraswati or the Kanchi Matt does not have any affiliation with anyone as they are a very old institution set up for the learning and holding the knowledge of the Vedas. If anyone has any claims to any such affiliation they can take this with them and SJC continues to be secular and spiritual. I will be travelling again today and will access the web after 14 days. Kindly realise that I have done my bit in starting SJC and have held strong to some of these principles. Time has come for changes and when I return these changes will surely take place. NEW CHAIRMAN of SJC We are considering a new Chairman for SJC as I have done 5 years and democratic principles demand that a new person has to take the reigns. I request the Jyotish Gurus to start personal discussions (not in this list) about this change and perhaps arrive at a consensus to the next incumbant from 2005-2010. I want the new chairman to be elected before 15 May 2005. I will continue as a Jyotish Guru and will show to the world that a true Jyotish is not attached to the headship nor to the position but to his dharma instead. None of the present day *big names* are willing to give up their position and cling to their chairs. This is wrong and not democratic. Every person can and should be replaced as fresh blood keeps the organisation alive. I am suggesting some names - (a) Ramdas Rao (b) PVR Narasimha Rao © Brendan Feeley (d) Robert Koch (e) Visti Larsen With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Dear Sanjay ji Namaste Let me clear my position. I have learned a lot from you and SJC. I understand this. Now try to understand my position. Some of my students said that they should have some web presence and hence wanted to create some site. I did not object as it is natural nowadays to have web presence. Why named as Nagpur Jyotish Class? There are three SJC gurus in the Nagpur city. Two of them are involved in teaching jyotisha with some other organizations and with the remaining there is a conflict going on. In this scenario it was not possible for me to name the website as SJC as I am not the SJC guru and hence can not officially take classes for SJC. That is why I named it as Nagpur Jyotish Class. Why Jyotish Class in Nagpur? The world of web is virtual. Teaching should be real at least in the initial phase. I have found the class room one-to-one teaching is more helpful to students. In every step about teaching jyotish in Nagpur,I took your advise. From my side I just want to be a teacher(and I know that I am a good teacher). With lots of courage and dedication I started the class. I realized that each sunday teaching jyotish continously for three hours is really very difficult. But with your knowledge and HIS blessings I could manage. Since I was not eligible to teach under the banner of SJC I prefer to call it as Nagpur Jyotish Class. I never thought of starting a new organization or have politics anywhere. I dont want to be head of SJC Nagpur, or wanted any post for that matter. You on the local TV programme said that SJC in Nagpur should be started. But you never did so on any of the SJC list. So I got the clue and realised that you may have some problems in that. I asked your permission for teaching Jyotish and not for starting SJC in Nagpur. I may not know all the aspects of Jyotish but certainly I know something and I have an art of teaching with which I can create good upcoming Vedic Astrologers. If my bhagya gives me hand next year I am expecting 50 more students in my class. Gist So in short I see taht those who were eligible to do jyotish teaching under the banner of SJC are not doing that under the banner of SJC in Nagpur and me who is not eligible to teach under the banner of SJC is eager to teach jyotish so I have to do it without banner! That is the problem. Since Dewavrat ji(new SJC Nagpur Head) is not connected to this activity,I dont know should this be called as official SJC activity. I have already stopped the fuctioning of site as demanded but please dont ask me to stop my class! Badi mehanat aur dil se padha raha hun sir! Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <guruji@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Prabodh and SJC, > > The latest thing happening is *NJC* which I think can mean *NOT Jagannath > Center* or Nagpur Class of some organisation. Let me again spell out some of > the ehical principles by which we have associated at the *Sri Jagannath > Center*. > > 1. The body SJC is totally non-political and is *not* a religious or > quasi-religious body. > > In other words we are not affiliated to any religious organisation and are > apolitical. Although I am personally a believer that Sri Chaitanya is > *Mahaprabhu* or an amsa-avatar of the Lord and believe in Sri Krishna as the > Yuga avatara I have not enforced this view on anyone and have adhered to the > secular principle that all believers of all religions and castes and creeds > are welcome. Buddhists like Phyllis Chubb are as welcome as Shiva followers > like Zoran or Shakti worshippers like Sarbani and Freedom. Muslims like > Muhammad Imran and many true Christians have added great learning value by > sharing their deep understanding of the Jyotish principles and have shown > how this has been useful for them in understanding their religion and > spiritualpath. That is what SJC was meant to be and to that extent we have > an open house that has successfully catered to such a diverse group. > > The NJC website is seen as being promoted by a certain religious sect. > Although we have utmost respect for the Kanchi Sankaracharya, the SJC is not > affiliated to the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham even though various members of SJC > have often supported the Kanchi Math in various capacities. > > http://.org/education/devavrata.htm > Please note that Dewavrata Buit is the head of SJC Nagpur and is also the > secretary of SJCERC. He has not been teaching for SJC Nagpur (and may do so > in future if time permits) and free classes are being conducted by Prabodh > who has learnt well from SJC. > > 2. In view of the above, Sri Chandrasekhar is welcome to start his own > organisation and have whatever political or religious affiliation he so > desires but cannot do so so long as he is a Jyotish Guru of SJC. He is > requested to kindly consider these issues and take suitable steps. It was a > pleasure to have his association at SJC for whatever time and hope that we > can continue to share our knowledge. > > 3. I have asked Prabodh to make the necessary changes in the website he has > made for the purpose of the classes. In fact such a website is not necessary > for the present. > > 4. Let me make it very clear that to the best of my knowledge Sri Jayendra > Saraswati or the Kanchi Matt does not have any affiliation with anyone as > they are a very old institution set up for the learning and holding the > knowledge of the Vedas. If anyone has any claims to any such affiliation > they can take this with them and SJC continues to be secular and spiritual. > > I will be travelling again today and will access the web after 14 days. > Kindly realise that I have done my bit in starting SJC and have held strong > to some of these principles. Time has come for changes and when I return > these changes will surely take place. > > NEW CHAIRMAN of SJC > > We are considering a new Chairman for SJC as I have done 5 years and > democratic principles demand that a new person has to take the reigns. I > request the Jyotish Gurus to start personal discussions (not in this list) > about this change and perhaps arrive at a consensus to the next incumbant > from 2005-2010. I want the new chairman to be elected before 15 May 2005. > > I will continue as a Jyotish Guru and will show to the world that a true > Jyotish is not attached to the headship nor to the position but to his > dharma instead. None of the present day *big names* are willing to give up > their position and cling to their chairs. This is wrong and not democratic. > Every person can and should be replaced as fresh blood keeps the > organisation alive. I am suggesting some names - > (a) Ramdas Rao > (b) PVR Narasimha Rao > © Brendan Feeley > (d) Robert Koch > (e) Visti Larsen > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Dear Sanjay ji Namaste Let me clear my position. I have learned a lot from you and SJC. I understand this. Now try to understand my position. Some of my students said that they should have some web presence and hence wanted to create some site. I did not object as it is natural nowadays to have web presence. Why named as Nagpur Jyotish Class? There are three SJC gurus in the Nagpur city. Two of them are involved in teaching jyotisha with some other organizations and with the remaining there is a conflict going on. In this scenario it was not possible for me to name the website as SJC as I am not the SJC guru and hence can not officially take classes for SJC. That is why I named it as Nagpur Jyotish Class. Why Jyotish Class in Nagpur? The world of web is virtual. Teaching should be real at least in the initial phase. I have found the class room one-to-one teaching is more helpful to students. In every step about teaching jyotish in Nagpur,I took your advise. From my side I just want to be a teacher(and I know that I am a good teacher). With lots of courage and dedication I started the class. I realized that each sunday teaching jyotish continously for three hours is really very difficult. But with your knowledge and HIS blessings I could manage. Since I was not eligible to teach under the banner of SJC I prefer to call it as Nagpur Jyotish Class. I never thought of starting a new organization or have politics anywhere. I dont want to be head of SJC Nagpur, or wanted any post for that matter. You on the local TV programme said that SJC in Nagpur should be started. But you never did so on any of the SJC list. So I got the clue and realised that you may have some problems in that. I asked your permission for teaching Jyotish and not for starting SJC in Nagpur. I may not know all the aspects of Jyotish but certainly I know something and I have an art of teaching with which I can create good upcoming Vedic Astrologers. If my bhagya gives me hand next year I am expecting 50 more students in my class. Gist So in short I see taht those who were eligible to do jyotish teaching under the banner of SJC are not doing that under the banner of SJC in Nagpur and me who is not eligible to teach under the banner of SJC is eager to teach jyotish so I have to do it without banner! That is the problem. Since Dewavrat ji(new SJC Nagpur Head) is not connected to this activity,I dont know should this be called as official SJC activity. I have already stopped the fuctioning of site as demanded but please dont ask me to stop my class! Badi mehanat aur dil se padha raha hun sir! Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce. Prabodh Vekhande Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar --- Sanjay Rath <srath wrote: > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Prabodh and SJC, > > The latest thing happening is *NJC* which I think > can mean *NOT Jagannath > Center* or Nagpur Class of some organisation. Let me > again spell out some of > the ehical principles by which we have associated at > the *Sri Jagannath > Center*. > > 1. The body SJC is totally non-political and is > *not* a religious or > quasi-religious body. > > In other words we are not affiliated to any > religious organisation and are > apolitical. Although I am personally a believer that > Sri Chaitanya is > *Mahaprabhu* or an amsa-avatar of the Lord and > believe in Sri Krishna as the > Yuga avatara I have not enforced this view on anyone > and have adhered to the > secular principle that all believers of all > religions and castes and creeds > are welcome. Buddhists like Phyllis Chubb are as > welcome as Shiva followers > like Zoran or Shakti worshippers like Sarbani and > Freedom. Muslims like > Muhammad Imran and many true Christians have added > great learning value by > sharing their deep understanding of the Jyotish > principles and have shown > how this has been useful for them in understanding > their religion and > spiritualpath. That is what SJC was meant to be and > to that extent we have > an open house that has successfully catered to such > a diverse group. > > The NJC website is seen as being promoted by a > certain religious sect. > Although we have utmost respect for the Kanchi > Sankaracharya, the SJC is not > affiliated to the Kanchi Kamakoti Peetham even > though various members of SJC > have often supported the Kanchi Math in various > capacities. > > http://.org/education/devavrata.htm > Please note that Dewavrata Buit is the head of SJC > Nagpur and is also the > secretary of SJCERC. He has not been teaching for > SJC Nagpur (and may do so > in future if time permits) and free classes are > being conducted by Prabodh > who has learnt well from SJC. > > 2. In view of the above, Sri Chandrasekhar is > welcome to start his own > organisation and have whatever political or > religious affiliation he so > desires but cannot do so so long as he is a Jyotish > Guru of SJC. He is > requested to kindly consider these issues and take > suitable steps. It was a > pleasure to have his association at SJC for whatever > time and hope that we > can continue to share our knowledge. > > 3. I have asked Prabodh to make the necessary > changes in the website he has > made for the purpose of the classes. In fact such a > website is not necessary > for the present. > > 4. Let me make it very clear that to the best of my > knowledge Sri Jayendra > Saraswati or the Kanchi Matt does not have any > affiliation with anyone as > they are a very old institution set up for the > learning and holding the > knowledge of the Vedas. If anyone has any claims to > any such affiliation > they can take this with them and SJC continues to be > secular and spiritual. > > I will be travelling again today and will access the > web after 14 days. > Kindly realise that I have done my bit in starting > SJC and have held strong > to some of these principles. Time has come for > changes and when I return > these changes will surely take place. > > NEW CHAIRMAN of SJC > > We are considering a new Chairman for SJC as I have > done 5 years and > democratic principles demand that a new person has > to take the reigns. I > request the Jyotish Gurus to start personal > discussions (not in this list) > about this change and perhaps arrive at a consensus > to the next incumbant > from 2005-2010. I want the new chairman to be > elected before 15 May 2005. > > I will continue as a Jyotish Guru and will show to > the world that a true > Jyotish is not attached to the headship nor to the > position but to his > dharma instead. None of the present day *big names* > are willing to give up > their position and cling to their chairs. This is > wrong and not democratic. > Every person can and should be replaced as fresh > blood keeps the > organisation alive. I am suggesting some names - > (a) Ramdas Rao > (b) PVR Narasimha Rao > © Brendan Feeley > (d) Robert Koch > (e) Visti Larsen > > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , > +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > Jai Jai Shankar Har Har Shankar Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Gurus and learned members, This is a painful phase. I pray and hope that the phase will pass soon and we shall have an environment that encourages all the Vedic scholars to exchange and share their knowledge. Kind regards Ramesh varahamihira [varahamihira ]On Behalf Of Chandrashekhar Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:04 AM Varahamihira (AT) (DOT) Com; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao; Amol Mandar |Sri Varaha| Some issues and new chairman Dear Sanjay, I do not know why you sent mail to boxdel address as all your previous mails have been to chandrashekhar46 address and you are aware I do not access the former id. I came to know of the mail from someone and therefore accessed the boxdel id. I do not know where from you got the idea in your head that I am starting my own group. Knowing astrology, you should be able to understand my nature. The reference to Shaiva etc. in your mail defies logic. I see Parameshwar in Nirakara rupa of Parabrahman who manifests in different forms and believe that everybody is free to have faith in the form that he sees the Brahman in. At my age, I can not change my beliefs for attractive words like secularism. If the reference is to my opinion on Shankaracharya being the ultimate arbiter of Vedas and Vedangas, that is opinion of majority of Hindus. I did not know that one has to change one's faith if one has to be Guru of SJC. This is news to me. If the reference is to website hosted by Prabodh, I find many of Gurus having their own websites. I have not designed the website not moderate it. I also did not see anything that is against Chaitanya Mahaprabhu on the website. You are perfectly aware that the classes were started at your instance and you also announced that SJC Nagpur is to be formed and you asked me to head it. There was a T.V. Program recorded, where you made this announcement. if I remember right, you had talked about some form of on line examination and that was being tried on the site. I have a grave doubt that this has to do with inconvenience caused to some who do not want Jyotish taught free of cost. Having said that, since you have indirectly suggested that I leave, I am leaving the group now. I will continue teaching Jyotish to those who want to learn, but not on your forum as it appears to distress many. I am certain you will take care of those who are presently learning Jyotish in the SJC Nagpur Jyotish class. I had expected more balanced view from you,you could have sent a personal mail to me had you thought there was something amiss, but perhaps this has to do with transit of Rahu and aspect of Shani on your Lagna. I am forced to post this on public forum since you chose to do that. I remember with fondness the time spent with you and all other Gurus and shishyas and am leaving with a heavy heart. I take this opportunity to beg forgiveness of anybody who might have been hurt by me during my association with SJC. Regards, Chandrashekhar. |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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