Delineating horoscope by way of Rasi charts and Bhava charts - resultant confusion

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Hare Krishna

Dear Kanupriya,and Sanjay

For study: my rasi chart viewed from lagna is very different than

from my chandra lagna,

and in my Bhava Chalit chart, i have 4 planets in different houses.

( I guess what i experience within in life ,is very different from

the outside reality!)

This of course comes about because my rising degree is so close to

edge of sign,26'punarvasu ,in moveable signs- also creating 4

vargottama planets.

Where can we read more about this Bhava Chilit chart , Sanjay?

All the best,

Lakshmi

 

Rasi/ Rasi

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| \ / \ / |

| \ JuR / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ke \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|AL x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 3 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| x Ma |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|HL \ / \ / |

|Mo Sa x Ra x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ /

| / Ve \ / Su \ |

| / \ / Me GL \ |

+--------------+

 

 

Bhava/Chalit Chakra D-1 (B)

+--------------+

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / JuR \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|AL x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Ke / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 3 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Mo x |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ra \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|Sa HL x Su x Ma |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Gk / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / Ve \ / Me \ |

| / \ / GL Md \ |

+--------------+

 

 

varahamihira , kanu priya <kanupriya003>

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

> Dear Sanjay,

> Does this mean that based on the qualities of

the bhavas or results we can actually judge if the planet is giving

results in lagna or the second house [or any of the two houses in

question]? I too have Jupiter AK in lagna which moves to my second

house Pisces in Bhava chart.How ever you have often mentioned about

the effects of my Jupiter in lagna, so how exactly do I read this?

>

> Best Regards,

> Kanupriya.

> www.jyotirmayi.com

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> Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote:

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> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear Supriti

> Excellent..why did you stop communicating the full mail - stop

talking (saturn in 2nd) or stop writing (saturn in 3rd). OK think

about how this affects your speech or food or say family and also how

it affects your siblings, enterprise.

> Tey answering these questions with Yes or No.

> Do you think you are capable?

> Do you eat stale food or cold food or have very poor eating habits?

> Do you speak lies all the time? or maybe sometimes?

> Do you find that what you say sometimes, maybe very negative, comes

true!

> Do you find that those who have done bad to yu gradually get

destroyed...do you relish this or have you ever done anything to make

this happen?

> ...think about questions in these lines, about life and how all

this works.

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center?

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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> Supriti Majumdar [supriti15]

> Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:20 PM

> varahamihira

> Re: |Sri Varaha| Delineating horoscope by way of Rasi

charts and Bhava charts - resultant confusion

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> |Om Gurave Namah|

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> Pranaam Guruji,

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> I have tried to meditate on your email and based on my

understanding a planet is bhava madhya is so strong that it

overpowers the qualities of the rasi that it is placed in. Planets

in bhava sandhi have no influence on the house even though the native

might think that it does have an influence.

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> For example my AK Sa is in bhava sandhi of my 2nd/3rd houses

(Aries/Taurus). My Rasi chart places it in Ar and my Bhava chart

places it in Ta. Please help me clear the confusion related to the

next statement. Based on this, although I think Sa is well placed in

Ta (house of a friend), it is not because it is technically placed in

Ar(house of greatest enemy). But although it is placed in Ar, it has

very little influence on the 2nd house

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> Please guide me.

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> Thank you

>

> Sincerely,

> Supriti

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> Sanjay Rath <guruji@s...> wrote:

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> Jaya Jagannatha

> Dear David

>

> You have presented an interesting scenarion while delineating your

point. The Rasi chart is the kalapurusha and is God or Narayana. So

when we draw the chart of the heavens and have the rasi chart based

on signs (drawn using tropical chart called Vishnu chakra minus

ayanamsa to get niryana or Narayana chakra), we are essentially

looking at Prajapati, the creator and trying to understand what He is

up to.

>

> Bhava is a function of the mana and hence the name has been used by

the seers to show how the mind in its entirely thinks and believes

the world to be a circle when in reality it is not so. In the process

the delination and understanding of life is warped by the mana to

explain away things. This is the bhava chakra.

>

> The Bhava chakra is very important to determine the impact of a

planet on an environment specified by the bhava. For example, if a

planet is in Bhava madhya then the planet has a stranglehold on the

bhava and will dictate almost all affairs of the Bhava whereas if the

planet is in bhava sandhi then it does not have too uch say on the

affairs of the Bhava. Take the chart of William Rehnquist for example

(see srath.com for chart) there you will find Jupiter almost conjunct

the lagna cusp making it a very strong influence on the lagna, so

strong that the effects of Scorpio should be considerably diluted. So

instead of Scorpio in Lagna, Jupiter in lagna will show better

indication of the nature of the lagna.

>

> When a planet changes houses in the bhava chart then it causes the

native to believe that it is connected with matters other than what

is indicated by the Rasi chart. Such a belief can trigger wrong faith

and cause pain when the native realises the truth. In the case you

cite, there is no nicabhanga for Guru, yet the native believes that

there is nicabhanga and that Jupiter is well placed. This is wrong

faith and although matters pertaining to the houses ruled by Jupiter

will be getting destroyed, yet the native will keep playing the

fiddle in the belief that all is going to get well.

>

> Planets in Bhava madhya are more crucial than others as they can

completely alter the thinking of a person. For example, the Pisces

Lagna has Leo in the 6th house and Pisces represents great rishi's

who have a terrible ego problem. The hindu scriptures are full of

instances where at the drop of a hat they lost their temper and

delivered terrible curses. Now I too have such a lagna and

fortunately Mercury is in the 6th house in bhava madhya (almost

conjunct bhava madhya) indicating tat in matters of war and battles I

will believe in non-violence and compromise. So you see how Mercury

in 6th House is dominating the MIND instead of Leo in 6th house. Now

it is another issue that Sun and Mars have Papakartari on that

Mercury and can be terrible instigators.

>

> I hope the situation is clarified. In view of the use of the bhava

chart as delinated above, it is important to realise that the

Parasari Bhava system is correct with the lagna as the bhava madhya

(mid portion) and 15 deg either side as the bhava border. Every bhava

is separated from its adjoining bhava by 30 deg of arc.

>

> With best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

> * * *

> Sri Jagannath Center?

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road

> New Delhi 110060, India

> http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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> David Andrews [andrews635]

> Monday, May 30, 2005 9:45 PM

> Gajapati

> [Gajapati] Delineating horoscope by way of Rasi charts and

Bhava charts - resultant confusion

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> Dear Gurus and learned members,

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> I am sorry if this message is a repeat for some of you. As there

are conflicting issues may Gurus and learned members please study

this problem and clarify matters.

>

> I notice that delineation of a horoscope is done by way of Rasi

charts as well as Bhava charts. This has led to a lot of confusion

to me and I would not be surprised if others are also likewise

confused.

> I have often wondered why talk of Bhava charts when Rasi Chart will

suffice. I have often sought an answer to this question and have

looked into books on astrology but they offer no clue. Most of the

books take the Rasi chart to delineate a horoscope, whereas Dr. B. V.

Raman' s book, " How to Judge a Horoscope " Bhava charts are used.

> The confusion became compounded when I had to deal with a

debilitated planet in a chart and tried to see whether there is

cancellation of debilitation. The debilitated planet is Jupiter in

Capricorn. The dispositor of Capricorn is Saturn and it is posited

there. If the dispositor is in a quadrant from either Lagna or the

Moon, then cancellation of debilitation results. Unfortunately, Moon

is in Virgo and therefore there is no nexus between Moon and the

dispositor of the debilitated planet.

> If I were to take the Bhava chart cancellation of debilitation

results as Moon is in Libra and the dispositor where Jupiter is

debilitated is in a quadrant to the Moon.

> Notice here the movement of planets between the Rasi and Bhava

charts. If one were to take the aspects of planets from both these

charts, the effect in each case would be different and would bring

about conflicting results

> I would appreciate if Gurus and learned members help clarify in

which cases Rasi and Bhava charts are used so as to dispel the

confusion once and for all.

> Thank you for patiently reading through this lengthy email.

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> David

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