TriSphuta, ChatusSphuta, PanchSphuta & Upgrahas

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Respected Jyotishis,

 

Q1) Would someone like to define the TriSphuta,

ChatusSphuta and PanchSphuta. Are these sensitive

points extracted by adding different upagrahas for the

longevity related matters?

Is Sookshma Trisphuta obtained by adding the Prana,

Deha and Mrityu Sphutas?

Where;

Prana (i.e. Jeeva) = 5 x Lagna + Mandi

Deha = 8 x Moon + Mandi

Mrityu = 7 x Mandi + Sun

 

 

Q2) Which definition is considered more reliable for

the Mandi? Either rising sign at the mid point of the

Saturn's 1/8th portion OR rising sign at starting

point of the Saturn's 1/8th portion. R.Santhanam is of

the opinion that according to BPHS, Gulika refers to

the starting point of Saturn's mentioned 1/8th

segment.

 

 

Q3) Jataka Prijata mentioned a specific set of

invisible planets named, 'Panch-Upgraha' (JP ref: V-62

& II-6). Here what is the meaning of PanchUpgraha. Is

it consisted of Dhuma, Arthaprahara, Yamakantaka,

Kodanda, and Mandi (as the commentry holds)? Where

Kodanda is rising sign at midpoint of Venus 1/8th

mahurtha.

 

Hope to find a positive response from learned members.

 

M.Imran

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Imran bhai,

 

(1) Free software JHora 7.02 gives the longitudes of Prana Sphuta, Deha Sphuta, Mrityu Sphuta, Sookshma Trisphuta, TriSphuta, ChatusSphuta and Pancha Sphuta.

 

The definitions used by JHora are from "Prasna Marga". Read Dr Raman's translation of Prasna Marga to see the definitions of all these.

 

(2) Parasara only mentions that Mandi rises in Saturn's portion. He does not mention whether he rises in the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion.

 

In JHora, you can choose Mandi to rise at the beginning or middle of Saturn's portion or the 8th (lordless) portion. So you can play with the options. Sometime back, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath started using the 8th portion for Mandi. That is clearly against Parasara's teaching and I did not (and do not) agree with him. But, he is my guru and so I added the option of choosing Saturn's or 8th portion to facilitate his work. So you can play with 4 options in JHora.

 

 

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

 

 

 

Narasimha

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> Respected Jyotishis,> > Q1) Would someone like to define the TriSphuta,> ChatusSphuta and PanchSphuta. Are these sensitive> points extracted by adding different upagrahas for the> longevity related matters?> Is Sookshma Trisphuta obtained by adding the Prana,> Deha and Mrityu Sphutas?> Where; > Prana (i.e. Jeeva) = 5 x Lagna + Mandi> Deha = 8 x Moon + Mandi> Mrityu = 7 x Mandi + Sun> > > Q2) Which definition is considered more reliable for> the Mandi? Either rising sign at the mid point of the> Saturn's 1/8th portion OR rising sign at starting> point of the Saturn's 1/8th portion. R.Santhanam is of> the opinion that according to BPHS, Gulika refers to> the starting point of Saturn's mentioned 1/8th> segment.> > > Q3) Jataka Prijata mentioned a specific set of> invisible planets named, 'Panch-Upgraha' (JP ref: V-62> & II-6). Here what is the meaning of PanchUpgraha. Is> it consisted of Dhuma, Arthaprahara, Yamakantaka,> Kodanda, and Mandi (as the commentry holds)? Where> Kodanda is rising sign at midpoint of Venus 1/8th> mahurtha. > > Hope to find a positive response from learned members.> > M.Imran

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Dear Narasimharao,

 

Namaste,

 

I know JHora 7.02 computes all these special sphutas and Parsna Marga

mentioned them. But right now, I have not copy of Parsna Marga. I have

to again borrow it from my friend who is out of contact. On the

other hand, the definition of Mandi (whether begining or middle part

of Saturn's portion) is itself varied among experts. What does your

experience say in this regard?

 

I know you are busy and must have tight schedule; but whenever time

permits, please give formulae for their computation.

 

Actually, JHora is very rich and user-friendly Jyotish software but

there is no option for page-designer for print (i.e. option that

allows user to put desirable chart/dasa/table/transit etc. on specific

place of a page, according personal convenience). Thats why for

printing I sometime rely on Excel VBA and need mentioned sphuta

definitions.

 

Alternatively JHora has " Preference > pages to include in printouts "

option. I think, you once discussed on VA group that you intentionally

did not include rich options for printouts as this may devalue market

of other commercial Jytosish software.

 

Thanks for your response and love,

 

Sincerely,

Imran

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@c...>

wrote:

> Dear Imran bhai,

>

> (1) Free software JHora 7.02 gives the longitudes of Prana Sphuta,

Deha Sphuta, Mrityu Sphuta, Sookshma Trisphuta, TriSphuta,

ChatusSphuta and Pancha Sphuta.

>

> The definitions used by JHora are from " Prasna Marga " . Read Dr

Raman's translation of Prasna Marga to see the definitions of all

these.

>

> (2) Parasara only mentions that Mandi rises in Saturn's portion. He

does not mention whether he rises in the beginning or middle of

Saturn's portion.

>

> In JHora, you can choose Mandi to rise at the beginning or middle of

Saturn's portion or the 8th (lordless) portion. So you can play with

the options. Sometime back, my guru Pt Sanjay Rath started using the

8th portion for Mandi. That is clearly against Parasara's teaching and

I did not (and do not) agree with him. But, he is my guru and so I

added the option of choosing Saturn's or 8th portion to facilitate his

work. So you can play with 4 options in JHora.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------------

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> SJC website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> -------------------------------

>

> > Respected Jyotishis,

> >

> > Q1) Would someone like to define the TriSphuta,

> > ChatusSphuta and PanchSphuta. Are these sensitive

> > points extracted by adding different upagrahas for the

> > longevity related matters?

> > Is Sookshma Trisphuta obtained by adding the Prana,

> > Deha and Mrityu Sphutas?

> > Where;

> > Prana (i.e. Jeeva) = 5 x Lagna + Mandi

> > Deha = 8 x Moon + Mandi

> > Mrityu = 7 x Mandi + Sun

> >

> >

> > Q2) Which definition is considered more reliable for

> > the Mandi? Either rising sign at the mid point of the

> > Saturn's 1/8th portion OR rising sign at starting

> > point of the Saturn's 1/8th portion. R.Santhanam is of

> > the opinion that according to BPHS, Gulika refers to

> > the starting point of Saturn's mentioned 1/8th

> > segment.

> >

> >

> > Q3) Jataka Prijata mentioned a specific set of

> > invisible planets named, 'Panch-Upgraha' (JP ref: V-62

> > & II-6). Here what is the meaning of PanchUpgraha. Is

> > it consisted of Dhuma, Arthaprahara, Yamakantaka,

> > Kodanda, and Mandi (as the commentry holds)? Where

> > Kodanda is rising sign at midpoint of Venus 1/8th

> > mahurtha.

> >

> > Hope to find a positive response from learned members.

> >

> > M.Imran

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

 

Dear Imran,

Namaste,

 

 

" M.Imran " <astroimran> wrote:

 

> Respected Jyotishis,

>

> Q1) Would someone like to define the TriSphuta,

> ChatusSphuta and PanchSphuta. Are these sensitive

> points extracted by adding different upagrahas for the

> longevity related matters?

> Is Sookshma Trisphuta obtained by adding the Prana,

> Deha and Mrityu Sphutas?

> Where;

> Prana (i.e. Jeeva) = 5 x Lagna + Mandi

> Deha = 8 x Moon + Mandi

> Mrityu = 7 x Mandi + Sun

>

 

 

SanjayP: Yes I think trisphuta is the addition of the three. Please

refer Prashna Marga for this.

 

 

 

> Q2) Which definition is considered more reliable for

> the Mandi? Either rising sign at the mid point of the

> Saturn's 1/8th portion OR rising sign at starting

> point of the Saturn's 1/8th portion. R.Santhanam is of

> the opinion that according to BPHS, Gulika refers to

> the starting point of Saturn's mentioned 1/8th

> segment.

 

SanjayP: Learned R. Santanam concludes that Gullika is starting

portion, with the example of birth chart for which he knew the nisheka

time. But if you carefully observer the Sloka 27 given by Parasara the

word used is Mandi and not Gullika. So if we assume that Sri

Santanam's data is accurate. The starting portion should be called

Mandi, as Mandi is used for Nisheka lagna calculation as that's the

word used by Maharishi PArasara. (refer Slk 27).

 

Also please refer to Prashna Marga as translated by Dr. BV RAman. In

his commentary Dr BV Raman is of opinion that Mandi and Gullika are

different. We now have two learned men differing in opinions.

 

For now, I go by Pt. Sanjay Raths view that they are different.

 

BPHS Chapter4(Santanam ed.)

 

athAtaH sampravaxyAmi shR^iNushhva munipuMgava |

janmalagnaM cha saMshodhya nishhekaM parishodhayet.h || 25||

 

tadahaM saMpravaxyAmi maitreya tvaM vidhAraya |

janmalagnAt.h pariGYAnaM nishhekaM sarvjantu yat.h || 26||

 

yasmin.h bhAve sthito mandastasya mAnderyadantaram.h |

lagnabhAgyAntaraM yojyaM yachcha rAshyAdi jAyate || 27||

 

 

 

>

> Q3) Jataka Prijata mentioned a specific set of

> invisible planets named, 'Panch-Upgraha' (JP ref: V-62

> & II-6). Here what is the meaning of PanchUpgraha. Is

> it consisted of Dhuma, Arthaprahara, Yamakantaka,

> Kodanda, and Mandi (as the commentry holds)? Where

> Kodanda is rising sign at midpoint of Venus 1/8th

> mahurtha.

 

SanjayP. Please refer BPHS also on this. Some of the upgrahas go by

multiple names. I dont have my texts in hand to compare rightaway.

 

 

> Hope to find a positive response from learned members.

>

> M.Imran

 

Warm Regards

SAnjay P

 

Om TAt Sat

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OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Imran Ji,

Salaam.

These special Sphutas are used in Prashna Shastra.When a Prashna

Chart is made, we get Lagna Sphuta or Longitude,Chandra Sphuta and

Mandi Sphuta and when these 3 are added, we get Trisphuta.

When Surya's Sphuta or Longitude is added to Trisphuta, we get

Chatusphuta.

When Rahu's Sphuta is added to Chatusphuta, we get PanchaSphuta.

When Lagna longitude multiplied by 5 and added to Gulika Sphuta, we

get Prana Sphuta.

When Chandra's Longitude is multiplied by 8 and added to Gulika

Sphuta, we get Deha Sphuta.

When Gulika Sphuta is multiplied by 7 and added to Surya Sphuta, we

get Mrityu Sphuta.

The above informations are culled out from Prashna Margam.There

Gulika and Mandi are same.

The results of the above Sphutas are given in Prashna Margam.

I hope this helps you.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

 

 

varahamihira , " sanjayprabhakaran "

<sanjaychettiar@g...> wrote:

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

>

> Dear Imran,

> Namaste,

>

>

> " M.Imran " <astroimran> wrote:

>

> > Respected Jyotishis,

> >

> > Q1) Would someone like to define the TriSphuta,

> > ChatusSphuta and PanchSphuta. Are these sensitive

> > points extracted by adding different upagrahas for the

> > longevity related matters?

> > Is Sookshma Trisphuta obtained by adding the Prana,

> > Deha and Mrityu Sphutas?

> > Where;

> > Prana (i.e. Jeeva) = 5 x Lagna + Mandi

> > Deha = 8 x Moon + Mandi

> > Mrityu = 7 x Mandi + Sun

> >

>

>

> SanjayP: Yes I think trisphuta is the addition of the three. Please

> refer Prashna Marga for this.

>

>

>

> > Q2) Which definition is considered more reliable for

> > the Mandi? Either rising sign at the mid point of the

> > Saturn's 1/8th portion OR rising sign at starting

> > point of the Saturn's 1/8th portion. R.Santhanam is of

> > the opinion that according to BPHS, Gulika refers to

> > the starting point of Saturn's mentioned 1/8th

> > segment.

>

> SanjayP: Learned R. Santanam concludes that Gullika is starting

> portion, with the example of birth chart for which he knew the

nisheka

> time. But if you carefully observer the Sloka 27 given by Parasara

the

> word used is Mandi and not Gullika. So if we assume that Sri

> Santanam's data is accurate. The starting portion should be called

> Mandi, as Mandi is used for Nisheka lagna calculation as that's the

> word used by Maharishi PArasara. (refer Slk 27).

>

> Also please refer to Prashna Marga as translated by Dr. BV RAman.

In

> his commentary Dr BV Raman is of opinion that Mandi and Gullika are

> different. We now have two learned men differing in opinions.

>

> For now, I go by Pt. Sanjay Raths view that they are different.

>

> BPHS Chapter4(Santanam ed.)

>

> athAtaH sampravaxyAmi shR^iNushhva munipuMgava |

> janmalagnaM cha saMshodhya nishhekaM parishodhayet.h || 25||

>

> tadahaM saMpravaxyAmi maitreya tvaM vidhAraya |

> janmalagnAt.h pariGYAnaM nishhekaM sarvjantu yat.h || 26||

>

> yasmin.h bhAve sthito mandastasya mAnderyadantaram.h |

> lagnabhAgyAntaraM yojyaM yachcha rAshyAdi jAyate || 27||

>

>

>

> >

> > Q3) Jataka Prijata mentioned a specific set of

> > invisible planets named, 'Panch-Upgraha' (JP ref: V-62

> > & II-6). Here what is the meaning of PanchUpgraha. Is

> > it consisted of Dhuma, Arthaprahara, Yamakantaka,

> > Kodanda, and Mandi (as the commentry holds)? Where

> > Kodanda is rising sign at midpoint of Venus 1/8th

> > mahurtha.

>

> SanjayP. Please refer BPHS also on this. Some of the upgrahas go by

> multiple names. I dont have my texts in hand to compare rightaway.

>

>

> > Hope to find a positive response from learned members.

> >

> > M.Imran

>

> Warm Regards

> SAnjay P

>

> Om TAt Sat