Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005  om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee 1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya 2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days 3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * varahamihira [varahamihira ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanThursday, September 01, 2005 4:16 AMvedic astrology ; sohamsa ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Skimming through Caraka samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saà hitÄ contains 120 chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that, each chapter equates to 1 year for the 120-year life span for us mortals JJJJ On a serious note and for academic purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109 These are: brahmA, deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru. With reference to Narada Saà hitÄ chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months[s.Rath:] Every year in whatever definitionis made up of 12 months. check the area under which the slokas are given to deterine teir exact reference to the type of year beig discussed Chapter 54.65 The number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000[s.Rath:] That is including the sandhya's ...now what are eastward revlutions? In Chapter 54.72, it states that the number of solar months in (Kali) yuga = 5,184,000[s.Rath:] Have you checked the quote in sanskrit? I am in the US and don't have any access to the texts. Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200 viz a viz =43,200/360 (days) = 120 years[s.Rath:] So you are saying that Kali yuga is 432000 savana years. Is this what I understand? Chapter 56.111-114 – saura mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets.[s.Rath:] This is for Hora shastra sAvana mAna – pregnancy (Jataka)[s.Rath:] Garbhadhana or pregnancy and conception not Jataka, the translation is imperfect clouds and rains – nAkSatra mAna[s.Rath:] Pregnancy of clouds to be more precise religious fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna[s.Rath:] Tithi to be more precise for sanskara A year – a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter.[s.Rath:] Now Now Swee, what does this mean?? We all have to think Vivaha Muhurta The sole purpose of choosing a good muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†J for the purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration.[s.Rath:] So no muhurta for people from Kerala or other parts of the world having matrilineal considerations?? In a Vivaha muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½ says that tithi forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are: Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter (propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka), Moon and Venus.[s.Rath:] Thats Panchanga and this is what has been taught extensively at SJC The second part is better known as Beeja sphuta for male and Kshetra sphuta for females. Please use these terms in future as they are the standard terms. Assuming cAndra mAna which is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days[s.Rath:] 30 days of what? what are you defining the day to be? Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref.NP Chapter 54.126 -127 and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter.[s.Rath:] Are you saying that the avastha of the planets on the pratipada is to be considered for the whole month!! NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426 grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA|saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424|| Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided.[s.Rath:] Please be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee? mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM tathASTamIm|vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM parighArddhakam||56.425|| Meaning: Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna Ekadashi – Amavasya should be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days (which are Shukla Caturthi, Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha.[s.Rath:] So what tithi are left? Are there any riders that can overcome these evil tithi? pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ncandrArkapitryabhaiH|samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426|| Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha muhurta: revatI, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction). Abhijit and GodhUlikA Muhurta caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~nca saptamam|godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe putrapautradam||56.512||prAcyA na ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam|abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513|| Meaning: The fourth lagna from the lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa), Godhulika is important. To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal “horror-scopeâ€.[s.Rath:] Have you read the letter in the Jyotish Digest? Please comment on the specific lines printed therein. How many of you use Sarvatbhadrachakra in muhurta? In Chandrashekharji’s chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also their mUltrikona house, viz a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House. However, the most important point here is the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected by a powerful Jupiter.[s.Rath:] That is the point being made in the letter of Diwekarji that even though the muhurta chosen is such a bad one the marriage survives due to the chart/natal horoscope indications. Love, Swee p/s I am away again this from this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005  Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Replies directly below the other 2 (mails). Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath Friday, September 02, 2005 9:45 AM varahamihira ; Sohamsa RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale om bhurbhuva svaħ bÅ™haspataye namaħ Dear Swee 1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya 2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days 3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong? With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * varahamihira [varahamihira ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:16 AM vedic astrology ; sohamsa ; varahamihira |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale Om Gurave Namah Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter. Skimming through Caraka samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saà hitÄ contains 120 chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that, each chapter equates to 1 year for the 120-year life span for us mortals JJJJ On a serious note and for academic purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109 These are: brahmA, deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru. With reference to Narada Saà hitÄ chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months [s.Rath:] Every year in whatever definitionis made up of 12 months. check the area under which the slokas are given to deterine teir exact reference to the type of year beig discussed Chapter 54.65 The number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000 [s.Rath:] That is including the sandhya's ...now what are eastward revlutions? In Chapter 54.72, it states that the number of solar months in (Kali) yuga = 5,184,000 [s.Rath:] Have you checked the quote in sanskrit? I am in the US and don't have any access to the texts. Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200            viz a viz        =43,200/360 (days)                                    = 120 years [s.Rath:] So you are saying that Kali yuga is 432000 savana years. Is this what I understand? Chapter 56.111-114 – saura mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets. [s.Rath:] This is for Hora shastra sAvana mAna – pregnancy (Jataka) [s.Rath:] Garbhadhana or pregnancy and conception not Jataka, the translation is imperfect clouds and rains – nAkSatra mAna [s.Rath:] Pregnancy of clouds to be more precise religious fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna [s.Rath:] Tithi to be more precise for sanskara A year – a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter. [s.Rath:] Now Now Swee, what does this mean?? We all have to think Vivaha Muhurta The sole purpose of choosing a good muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†J for the purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration. [s.Rath:] So no muhurta for people from Kerala or other parts of the world having matrilineal considerations?? In a Vivaha muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½ says that tithi forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are: Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter (propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka), Moon and Venus. [s.Rath:] Thats Panchanga and this is what has been taught extensively at SJC The second part is better known as Beeja sphuta for male and Kshetra sphuta for females. Please use these terms in future as they are the standard terms. Assuming cAndra mAna which is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days [s.Rath:] 30 days of what? what are you defining the day to be? Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref.NP Chapter 54.126 -127 and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter. [s.Rath:] Are you saying that the avastha of the planets on the pratipada is to be considered for the whole month!! NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426 grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA| saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424|| Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided. [s.Rath:] Please be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee? mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM tathASTamIm| vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM parighArddhakam||56.425|| Meaning: Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna Ekadashi – Amavasya should be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days (which are Shukla Caturthi, Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha. [s.Rath:] So what tithi are left? Are there any riders that can overcome these evil tithi? pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ncandrArkapitryabhaiH| samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426|| Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha muhurta: revatI, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction). Abhijit and GodhUlikA Muhurta caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~nca saptamam| godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe putrapautradam||56.512|| prAcyA na ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam| abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513|| Meaning: The fourth lagna from the lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa), Godhulika is important. To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal “horror-scopeâ€. [s.Rath:] Have you read the letter in the Jyotish Digest? Please comment on the specific lines printed therein. How many of you use Sarvatbhadrachakra in muhurta? In Chandrashekharji’s chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also their mUltrikona house, viz a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House. However, the most important point here is the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected by a powerful Jupiter. [s.Rath:] That is the point being made in the letter of Diwekarji that even though the muhurta chosen is such a bad one the marriage survives due to the chart/natal horoscope indications. Love, Swee REPLIES Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sanjay ji, Namaste The Wheel of Time Bhagavata Puran skandha III Ch 21 The Wheel of Time is based on the three supports. These are the three periods of four months (caturmAsa) which attracts and affects the world. This rotation round the axis of the eternal Brahman has thirteen spokes which, in human terms represents the twelve months plus the additional month (adhika mAsa). It has 360 joints which represents the number of days in the year. The six tyres represent the seasons while the innumerable blades denote the smaller units of time. Maitreya in Bhagavata PurÄëa Skaëòha III on the concept of Time Chapter 11: Text 14, 18, 19 and 20 saMvatsaraH parivatsara iDA-vatsara eva ca| anuvatsaro vatsarash ca viduraivaM prabhASyate||11.14 Meaning: The period of (the solar/tropical year) is called Saà vatsara. [for the time that it takes the sun, thus speeding slow, fast or moderate, to move entirely through the spheres above and below, is indeed with its passage, to the descriptions of the scholars, spoken of a samvatsara ref SB Canto 5 Ch 22 text 7) Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 4 yadA mesa-tulayor vartate tadAho-rAtrANi samAnAni bhavanti yadA vRSabhAdiSu pa~ncasu ca rAshiSu carati tadAhAny eva vardhante hrsati ca mAsi mAsy ekaikA ghaTikA rAtriSu Meaning: when Sun passes through Aries and Libra, the durations of the day and night are equal. When it passes through the 5 signs headed by Taurus, the duration of the days increases until it Cancer is reached and then it gradually decreases by half an hour each month until day and night again become equal (in Libra). Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 5 yadA vRshcikAdiSu pa~ncasu vartate tadAho-rAtrANi viparyayANi bhavanti Meaning: when the Sun passes through the 5 signs beginning with Scorpio, the duration of the days decreases (until Capricorn) and then it gradually increases month after month until the day and night become equal (in Aries). Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 6 yAvad dakSiNAyanam ahAni vardhante yAvad udagayanaM rAtrayaH Meaning: Until the Sun travels to the South, the days grow longer and until the Sun travels to the North, the nights grow longer. Parivatsara is related to Jupiter known as the full (current) Year. The type of (religious) year. This is perhaps good for those who are taking up studies at the Gurukulam and the Upanaya? To the qualified Brahmanas, he always turns out to be favourable. (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5, Ch 22 Text 15) Idavatsara (the 360 day-savana year); Anuvatsara – A repeated year which is related to the almost always troublesome Saturn, a return which takes 30 years/anuvatsaras (SB. Canto 5 Ch 22 Text 17) and Vatsara – single year; related to nakñatra Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 22 Text 7 according to Çréla Prabhupada’s purpost, each solar year extends 6 days beyond the calendar year and according to lunar calculations, each year is six days hsorter. Therefore, because of the Sun and moon movements, the difference is 12 days. As the Samvatsara, Parivatsara, Idavatsara, Anuvatsara and Vatsara pass by, to extra months are added within each 5 years which makes a 6th Samvatsara. But because that Samvatsara is extra, the solar system is calculated according to the 5 names. Narada Purana I.5.26 30 muhUrtas constitute one day; thirty days or two fortnights makes a month. grahaNaM nikhilaM kAryaM gR^ihyate sauramAnataH| For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse Saura month/year is acceptable. vidhervidhAnaM strIgarbhaM sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate|| Savana month/year is acceptable for prediction of the writing of Brahma and pregnancy. Sanjay ji, these are the exact words written, highlighted for your snap reading.JJJJJ  Manusya From Bhagavata Purana skandha III Ch.26 Manusya is that suffering from the bondage which is PrakR^iti enlivened by consciousness in the individual Soul. BP skandha III Ch 26. states the “creative†effort we know as kAla which is the twenty-five principle as the super human power of Ishvara whence fear (from death etc) is the jIva who is possessed of prakR^iti that is deluded by ahamkara when it identifies itself with the body. The birth of the resplendent Mahat principle was born when the Lord said to Manu’s daughter DevahUti that the Supreme Man deposited his energy (semen) into his prakR^iti whose gunas were agitated by the aDRSTa which is the unseen destiny of the jIvas. I take that pregnancy is the agitation that leads it to a human birth. (therefore Jataka). Manuñya Varña (Bhagavata PurÄëa skaëòha III Manu’s period of reign is 432,000 Manuñyar Varña (Human years) 60 ghatikas = 1 day and night 15 days = 1 pakña 2 pakña = 1 CandramÄsa 1 CandramÄsa = 1 AhorÄtra for PitÃ¥s (1 day and night = 1 Full Day (pürëa) 12 CandramÄsa = 1 Manusyavarsa 1 Manusyavarsa = 1 AhorAtra of the Devas 360 AhorAtra = 1 (DevaVatsara) DivyaVatsara/1 Divine Year 1,200 Divyavatsara = 1 Kali Yuga On Sandhyas For a human day, there are 3 sandhyas where dawn meets morn and morn meets with the second part of the day while the third sandhya is when the evening meets with the rise of the stars. Bhagavata Purana skandha III kR^itaM tretA dvAparaM ca kalish ceti catur-yugam| divyair dvAdashabhir varSaiH sAvadhAnaM nirUpitam||18 catvAri trINi dve caikaM kR^itAdiSu yathA-kramam| saNkhyAtAni sahasrANi dvi-guNAni shatAni ca||11.19 sandhyA-sandhyAMshayor antar yaH kAlaH shata-saNkhyayoH|11.20a Meaning: The cycle of the four Yugas along with their sandhis (the transitional period at the beginning of a yuga) and sandhi amshas (the transitional period at the end of a yuga) consists of twelve thousand years of the Gods.|11.18 The periods of the Yugas is 4000, 3000, 2000 and 1000 Divine years. The sandhyA period at the beginning and the aMsha yuga is 800, 600, 400 and 200 years of the Devas. Thus: Kali Yuga: sandhyA                               100 yuga                                  1,000 sandhyAMsha                     100 The sandhyas for creation is exactly 1 unit for each portion. On Tithis: NP UttarabhAga Ch 2 The root (beginning) of tithi is declared by the knowers of Time as pleasing to the PitR^is. These are for those who desire piety and virtue and for the purpose of propitiating the Manes. The tip (end) of the tithi is to be taken up for the observance of vratas by those who wish for the Ten fold benefits. Shlokas 10-12 Neither the 2nd, 8th, 6th, 11th in a human fortnight should be taken up by those who wish for virtue, love and wealth if it is pierced (by the previous tithi). The 7th, New Moon and Full Moon (and anniversary day of the father’s death) is good for propitiatory rites to the Manes, else he will be vitiated by misfortune and loss of progeny. In the case of rites of the Deities, the tithi at the time of Sunrise must be taken into account. In the case of rites pertaining to the Manes, contact of the tithi at sunset is known as PUrNA (full). ON DASHAMI TITHI: (For those who need to refer to the article; it is in Jyotish Digest Vol. 1 Issue 1 Jan-Mar 2005 pg 54 The day chosen was during the Bright Half of the Moon. The 10th day is ruled by the Moon, hence making the Moon fully benefic. NP Ch 56. text 675b-676a says that VIJAYA Dashami says that there is NEVER a defeat for those who go out to fight. It is very clear that this particular day is very auspicious. The time chosen was during Abhijit: Narada Purana Ch 56 abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513b madhyandinagate bhAnau muhUrto 'bhijidAhvayaH| nAshayatyakhilAndoSAnpinAkI tripuraM yathA||56.514 Abhijit is considered as important in ALL regions as a destroyer of blemishes. The muhurta when the Sun is in the zenith is called Abhijit. It wipes off all blemishes as the pinAka bowed (Çiva) wiped out the Tripuras. **Readers please NOTE, a very auspicious day was chosen and so was the time besides a very powerful Jupiter in Chandrashekharji’s chart. So why was that particular elected day VERY inauspicious (according to VV Divekar?) Yugadi days are considered “holidays†and charities are good on ManvAdi days, except for reading the Vedas. NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426 grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA| saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424|| Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided. [s.Rath:] Please be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee? All three are to be considered. The sandhyas of the planets when they move in into retrogression or combustion, and when they (Jupiter and Venus) move out of retrogression etc. Love, Swee p/s WRT whichever regions/countries are patrilineal or matrilineal, it is according to regional customs and I am not here to discuss that. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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