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om bhurbhuva svaħ břhaspataye namaħ

Dear Swee

1.What is the year for Manu? We are Manusya

2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other is the simple count of 30 days

3. You seem to be supporting the point of Dwivekar ji that the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I getting this wrong?

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Sri Jagannath Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162

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varahamihira [varahamihira ] On Behalf Of Swee ChanThursday, September 01, 2005 4:16 AMvedic astrology ; sohamsa ; varahamihira Subject: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE: Muhurata Rationale

 

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sanjay ji,

Namaste

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the matter.

Skimming through Caraka samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saàhitÄ contains 120 chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that, each chapter equates to 1 year for the 120-year life span for us mortals JJJJ

 

On a serious note and for academic purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109

These are: brahmA, deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru.

 

With reference to Narada SaàhitÄ chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months[s.Rath:] Every year in whatever definitionis made up of 12 months. check the area under which the slokas are given to deterine teir exact reference to the type of year beig discussed

Chapter 54.65 The number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000[s.Rath:] That is including the sandhya's ...now what are eastward revlutions?

In Chapter 54.72, it states that the number of solar months in (Kali) yuga = 5,184,000[s.Rath:] Have you checked the quote in sanskrit? I am in the US and don't have any access to the texts.

 

Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200

viz a viz =43,200/360 (days)

= 120 years[s.Rath:] So you are saying that Kali yuga is 432000 savana years. Is this what I understand?

 

Chapter 56.111-114 – saura mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets.[s.Rath:] This is for Hora shastra

sAvana mAna – pregnancy (Jataka)[s.Rath:] Garbhadhana or pregnancy and conception not Jataka, the translation is imperfect

clouds and rains – nAkSatra mAna[s.Rath:] Pregnancy of clouds to be more precise

religious fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna[s.Rath:] Tithi to be more precise for sanskara

A year – a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter.[s.Rath:] Now Now Swee, what does this mean?? We all have to think

 

Vivaha Muhurta

The sole purpose of choosing a good muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†J for the purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration.[s.Rath:] So no muhurta for people from Kerala or other parts of the world having matrilineal considerations??

 

In a Vivaha muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½ says that tithi forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are:

Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter (propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka), Moon and Venus.[s.Rath:] Thats Panchanga and this is what has been taught extensively at SJC

The second part is better known as Beeja sphuta for male and Kshetra sphuta for females. Please use these terms in future as they are the standard terms.

 

Assuming cAndra mAna which is 30 days x 12 months = 360 days[s.Rath:] 30 days of what? what are you defining the day to be?

 

Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref.NP Chapter 54.126 -127 and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter.[s.Rath:] Are you saying that the avastha of the planets on the pratipada is to be considered for the whole month!!

 

NP Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426

grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA|saMdhyAyAM tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424||

 

Meaning: Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided.[s.Rath:] Please be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee?

mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM tathASTamIm|vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM parighArddhakam||56.425||

 

Meaning: Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna Ekadashi – Amavasya should be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days (which are Shukla Caturthi, Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha.[s.Rath:] So what tithi are left? Are there any riders that can overcome these evil tithi?

 

pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ncandrArkapitryabhaiH|samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426||

 

Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha muhurta:

revatI, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction).

 

Abhijit and GodhUlikA Muhurta

 

caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~nca saptamam|godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe putrapautradam||56.512||prAcyA na ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam|abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513||

 

Meaning: The fourth lagna from the lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa), Godhulika is important.

 

To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal “horror-scopeâ€.[s.Rath:] Have you read the letter in the Jyotish Digest? Please comment on the specific lines printed therein. How many of you use Sarvatbhadrachakra in muhurta?

 

In Chandrashekharji’s chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also their mUltrikona house, viz a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House.

 

However, the most important point here is the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected by a powerful Jupiter.[s.Rath:] That is the point being made in the letter of Diwekarji that even though the muhurta chosen is such a bad one the marriage survives due to the chart/natal horoscope indications.

 

Love,

Swee

p/s I am away again this from this evening.

 

 

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Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Sanjay ji,

 

Replies directly below the other 2 (mails).

 

Love,

 

Swee

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Guru Sanjay Rath

Friday, September 02, 2005

9:45 AM

varahamihira ; Sohamsa

RE: |Sri Varaha| RE: [vedic astrology] RE:

Muhurata

Rationale

 

 

 

om bhurbhuva svaħ břhaspataye namaħ

Dear Swee

1.What is the year

for Manu? We are Manusya

2. Saura masa is different from savana maasa - one is transit of sun through a sign and the other

is the simple count of 30 days

3. You seem to be supporting the point

of Dwivekar ji that

the natal chart of Chandrasekhar ji is the reason for

the long marriage and not the bad muhurta chosen. Is this correct or am I

getting this wrong?

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath

Center®

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

 

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com,

+91-11-25717162

* * *

 

 

 

 

 

varahamihira [varahamihira ]

On Behalf Of Swee Chan

Thursday, September 01, 2005

4:16 AM

vedic astrology ;

sohamsa ; varahamihira

|Sri Varaha|

RE: [vedic astrology] RE:

Muhurata Rationale

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Sanjay ji,

Namaste

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on

the matter.

Skimming through Caraka

samhita (for gemstones healing) the trio with Caraka saàhitÄ contains 120

chapters, so the simple aphorism on this is that,  each chapter equates to 1 year for the

120-year life span for us mortals JJJJ

 

On a serious note and for academic

purposes, there are 9 measures of time according to NP Ch56.109

These are: brahmA,

deva, manu, pitrya, saura, sAvana, cAndra, aarkSa and guru.

 

With reference to Narada SaàhitÄ

chapter 56.113 evinces that a year is made up of 12 months

[s.Rath:] Every

year in whatever definitionis made up of 12 months. check the area under which the slokas

are given to deterine teir

exact reference to the type of year beig

discussed

Chapter 54.65 The

number of Eastward revolutions in a kaliyuga= 432,000

[s.Rath:] That

is including the sandhya's ...now what are eastward revlutions?

In Chapter 54.72, it states that the

number of solar months in (Kali) yuga

= 5,184,000

[s.Rath:] Have

you checked the quote in sanskrit? I

am in the US

and don't have any access to the texts.

 

Thus: 5,184,000/120 = 43,200

            viz a viz

        =43,200/360 (days)

                                    =

120 years

[s.Rath:] So you

are saying that Kali yuga is

432000 savana years. Is this what I understand?

 

Chapter 56.111-114 – saura

mAna is used for reckoning of the motion of planets.

[s.Rath:] This

is for Hora shastra

sAvana mAna – pregnancy (Jataka)

[s.Rath:] Garbhadhana or

pregnancy and conception not Jataka, the translation is

imperfect

clouds and rains – nAkSatra mAna

[s.Rath:] Pregnancy of clouds to be more precise

religious fasts, tonsures, marriage travel etc – cAndra mAna

[s.Rath:] Tithi to be more precise for sanskara

A year

– a year by each measure is reckoned through the mean motion of Jupiter.

[s.Rath:] Now Now Swee, what

does this mean?? We all have to think

 

Vivaha Muhurta

The sole purpose of choosing a good

muhurta is to ensure the safety and longevity (life span) of a couple, especially

for the man after mutual compatibilities of the couple’s “horror-scope†J for the

purpose of procreation so that the lineage is continued through the patrilineal consideration.

[s.Rath:] So no muhurta for people from Kerala or

other parts of the world having matrilineal considerations??

 

In a Vivaha

muhurta, NP chapter 56 shloka 429-430 ½  says that tithi

forms 1 fold of the 5 fold considerations which are:

Tithi, vAra, nakSatra, yoga, karana as well as potencies of the Sun + Jupiter

(propitiate them if weak in the male or female Jataka),

Moon and Venus.

[s.Rath:] Thats Panchanga

and this is what has been taught extensively at SJC

The second

part is better known as Beeja sphuta for male and Kshetra sphuta for females. Please use these terms in future

as they are the standard terms.

 

Assuming cAndra

mAna  which is 30 days x 12 months = 360

days

[s.Rath:] 30

days of what? what are you defining the day to

be?

 

Take the 1st tithi as shukla pratipat ref.NP Chapter 54.126 -127

and planets etc in combustion are also to be considered including avastha of Venus and Jupiter.

[s.Rath:] Are you

saying that the avastha of the planets on the pratipada is to be considered for the whole month!!

 

NP Chapter 56 shlokas

423 - 426

grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA|

saMdhyAyAM

tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424||

 

Meaning: Avoid the three days after

their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three

days before their rise (again). As far as their dusks are concerned, three day

before setting and seven days before their rise should be avoided.

[s.Rath:] Please

be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What

are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee?

 

mAsAnte pa~nca divasAMstyajedriktAM

tathASTamIm|

vyatIpAtaM vaidhR^itiM ca saMpUrNaM

parighArddhakam||56.425||

 

Meaning:

Five days towards the close of the (lunar) month i.e., Krishna

Ekadashi – Amavasya should

be avoided; also the 8th (Shukla Astami), and the riktA days

(which are Shukla Caturthi,

Shukla NavamI, and Shukla Caturdashi). VyatIpAta and VaidhR^iti yoga

should be avoided in their entirety and half of parigha.

[s.Rath:] So what tithi are left? Are there any riders

that can overcome these evil tithi?

 

pauSNabhatryuttarAmaitramaru~ncandrArkapitryabhaiH|

samUlabhairaviddhaistaiH strIkaragraha iSyate||56.426||

 

Meaning: The following nakSatras are recommended of Vivaha

muhurta:

revatI, uttaraphalgunI, uttarASAdha, uttarabhAdrapada, AnurAdhA, svAtI, mR^igashIrSa, hasta, maghA and mUla when they are not in vedha (mutual affliction).

 

Abhijit and GodhUlikA Muhurta

 

caturthamabhijillagnamudayarkAS~nca saptamam|

godhUlikaM tadubhayaM vivAhe

putrapautradam||56.512||

prAcyA na

ca kaliNgAnAM mukhyaM godhUlikaM smR^itam|

abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513||

 

Meaning: The fourth lagna from the

lagna at sunrise is called Abhijit and the seventh

lagna is called Godhulika. Both these are auspicious

for marriage and will bless them with sons and grandsons. Abhijit

is important for the people in the Eastern region (Bengal etc.,) and the people of Kalinga (Orissa),

Godhulika is important.

 

To conclude, if a muhurta is SOLELY

conducive to a long lasting and happy marriage, we are wrongly portraying to

the students that the mere choice (in a muhurta) over rides one’s natal

“horror-scopeâ€.

[s.Rath:] Have

you read the letter in the Jyotish Digest? Please

comment on the specific lines printed therein. How many of you use Sarvatbhadrachakra in muhurta?

 

In Chandrashekharji’s

chart, Dhanus rises. Jupiter the Lagnesha

is in upachaya conjunct Moon. Gurus the 7th house and

that vargaottama Saturn is in digbala

and exchanges place with the 7th Lord, which is also in Vargottama. Guru not only aspects Saturn and Mars but also

their mUltrikona house, viz

a viz, those planets also aspect Guru's mUltrikona House.

 

However, the most important point here is

the UL, which is Venus in its own sign. 2nd from UL is also aspected

by a powerful Jupiter.

[s.Rath:] That

is the point being made in the letter of Diwekarji

that even though the muhurta chosen is such a bad one the marriage survives due

to the chart/natal horoscope indications.

 

Love,

Swee

 

REPLIES

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

Dear Sanjay ji,

Namaste

 

The Wheel of Time

Bhagavata Puran skandha III

Ch 21

 

The Wheel of Time is based on the three

supports. These are the three periods of four months (caturmAsa)

which attracts and affects the world. This rotation round the axis of the

eternal Brahman has thirteen spokes which, in human

terms represents the twelve months plus the additional month (adhika mAsa). It has 360 joints

which represents the number of days in the year. The six tyres represent the

seasons while the innumerable blades denote the smaller units of time.

 

Maitreya in Bhagavata PurÄëa Skaëòha III on the concept of Time Chapter 11: Text 14, 18, 19 and 20

 

saMvatsaraH parivatsara iDA-vatsara eva ca|

anuvatsaro vatsarash ca viduraivaM

prabhASyate||11.14

 

Meaning: The period of (the

solar/tropical year) is called Saàvatsara. [for the

time that it takes the sun, thus speeding slow, fast or moderate, to move

entirely through the spheres above and below, is indeed with its passage, to

the descriptions of the scholars, spoken of a samvatsara

ref SB Canto 5 Ch 22 text 7)

 

Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 4

 

yadA mesa-tulayor vartate tadAho-rAtrANi samAnAni bhavanti yadA

vRSabhAdiSu pa~ncasu ca rAshiSu carati tadAhAny eva vardhante hrsati

ca

mAsi mAsy ekaikA ghaTikA

rAtriSu

 

Meaning: when Sun passes through Aries

and Libra, the durations of the day and night are

equal. When it passes through the 5 signs headed by Taurus, the duration of the

days increases until it Cancer is reached and then it gradually decreases by

half an hour each month until day and night again become equal (in Libra).

 

Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 5

 

yadA vRshcikAdiSu pa~ncasu vartate tadAho-rAtrANi viparyayANi bhavanti

 

Meaning: when the Sun passes through the

5 signs beginning with Scorpio, the duration of the days decreases (until

Capricorn) and then it gradually increases month after month until the day and

night become equal (in Aries).

 

Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 21 Text 6

 

yAvad dakSiNAyanam ahAni vardhante yAvad udagayanaM rAtrayaH

 

Meaning:

Until the Sun travels to the South, the days grow longer and until the Sun

travels to the North, the nights grow longer.

 

 

Parivatsara is related

to Jupiter known as the full (current) Year. The type of

(religious) year. This is perhaps good for those who are taking up

studies at the Gurukulam and the Upanaya?

To the qualified Brahmanas, he always turns out to be

favourable. (Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 5, Ch 22 Text 15)

 

Idavatsara (the 360

day-savana year);

Anuvatsara – A

repeated year which is related to the almost always troublesome Saturn, a

return which takes 30 years/anuvatsaras (SB. Canto 5

Ch 22 Text 17)

and Vatsara –

single year; related to nakñatra

 

Çrémad Bhagavatam Canto 5 Ch 22 Text 7 according to Çréla Prabhupada’s purpost, each solar year extends 6 days beyond the calendar

year and according to lunar calculations, each year is six days hsorter. Therefore, because of the Sun and moon movements,

the difference is 12 days. As the Samvatsara, Parivatsara, Idavatsara, Anuvatsara and Vatsara pass by,

to extra months are added within each 5 years which makes a 6th Samvatsara. But because that Samvatsara

is extra, the solar system is calculated according to the 5 names.

 

Narada Purana I.5.26

 

30 muhUrtas constitute one day;

thirty days or two fortnights makes a month.

 

grahaNaM nikhilaM kAryaM gR^ihyate sauramAnataH|

For all religious ceremonies, related to eclipse Saura month/year is acceptable.

vidhervidhAnaM strIgarbhaM sAvanenaiva

gR^ihyate||

Savana month/year is

acceptable for prediction of the writing of Brahma and pregnancy.

 

Sanjay ji, these are the exact

words written, highlighted for your snap reading.JJJJJ

 

Manusya

From Bhagavata Purana skandha III Ch.26

Manusya is that

suffering from the bondage which is PrakR^iti

enlivened by consciousness in the individual Soul. BP skandha III Ch 26. states

the “creative†effort we know as kAla which is the

twenty-five principle as the super human power of Ishvara

whence fear (from death etc) is the jIva who is

possessed of prakR^iti that is deluded by ahamkara when it identifies itself with the body.

The birth of the resplendent Mahat principle was born when the Lord said to Manu’s

daughter DevahUti that the Supreme Man deposited his

energy (semen) into his prakR^iti whose gunas were agitated by the aDRSTa

which is the unseen destiny of the jIvas.

I take that pregnancy is the agitation

that leads it to a human birth. (therefore Jataka).

 

Manuñya

Varña

(Bhagavata PurÄëa skaëòha

III

Manu’s

period of reign is 432,000 Manuñyar Varña (Human years)

 

60

ghatikas = 1 day and night

15

days = 1 pakña

2

pakña = 1 CandramÄsa

1

CandramÄsa = 1 AhorÄtra

for Pitås (1 day and night = 1 Full Day (pürëa)

12

CandramÄsa = 1 Manusyavarsa

1

Manusyavarsa = 1 AhorAtra

of the Devas

360

AhorAtra = 1 (DevaVatsara)

DivyaVatsara/1 Divine Year

1,200

Divyavatsara = 1 Kali Yuga

 

 

On Sandhyas

 

For a human day, there are 3 sandhyas where dawn meets morn and morn meets with the

second part of the day while the third sandhya is

when the evening meets with the rise of the stars.

 

Bhagavata Purana skandha III

kR^itaM tretA dvAparaM ca kalish ceti catur-yugam|

divyair dvAdashabhir

varSaiH sAvadhAnaM

nirUpitam||18

catvAri trINi dve caikaM

kR^itAdiSu yathA-kramam|

saNkhyAtAni sahasrANi dvi-guNAni shatAni ca||11.19

sandhyA-sandhyAMshayor antar yaH kAlaH

shata-saNkhyayoH|11.20a

 

 

Meaning:

The cycle of the four Yugas along with their sandhis

(the transitional period at the beginning of a yuga) and sandhi amshas (the transitional period at the end of a yuga) consists of twelve thousand years of the Gods.|11.18

 

The periods of the

Yugas is 4000, 3000, 2000 and 1000 Divine years.

The sandhyA

period at the beginning and the aMsha yuga is 800, 600, 400 and 200

years of the Devas.

Thus:

 

Kali Yuga:

sandhyA                                100

yuga                                    1,000

sandhyAMsha                      100

 

The sandhyas

for creation is exactly 1 unit for each portion.

 

 

On Tithis:

 

NP UttarabhAga

Ch 2

The root (beginning) of tithi is declared

by the knowers of Time as pleasing to the PitR^is. These are for those who desire piety and virtue

and for the purpose of propitiating the Manes. The tip (end) of the tithi is to

be taken up for the observance of vratas by those who

wish for the Ten fold benefits.

Shlokas 10-12

Neither the 2nd, 8th,

6th, 11th in a human fortnight should be taken up by

those who wish for virtue, love and wealth if it is pierced (by the previous

tithi).

The 7th, New Moon and Full

Moon (and anniversary day of the father’s death) is good for propitiatory rites

to the Manes, else he will be vitiated by misfortune and loss of progeny.

In the case of rites of the Deities, the

tithi at the time of Sunrise

must be taken into account. In the case of rites pertaining to the Manes,

contact of the tithi at sunset is known as PUrNA

(full).

 

ON DASHAMI TITHI: (For

those who need to refer to the article; it is in Jyotish

Digest Vol. 1 Issue 1 Jan-Mar 2005 pg 54

 

The day chosen was during the Bright Half

of the Moon. The 10th day is ruled by the Moon, hence making the

Moon fully benefic.

NP Ch 56. text

675b-676a says that VIJAYA Dashami says that there is

NEVER a defeat for those who go out to fight. It is very clear that this

particular day is very auspicious.

The time chosen was during Abhijit:

 

Narada

Purana Ch 56

abhijitsarvadesheSu mukhyo doSavinAshakR^it||56.513b

madhyandinagate bhAnau muhUrto 'bhijidAhvayaH|

nAshayatyakhilAndoSAnpinAkI tripuraM yathA||56.514

 

Abhijit is considered as

important in ALL regions as a destroyer of blemishes. The muhurta when the Sun

is in the zenith is called Abhijit. It wipes off all

blemishes as the pinAka bowed (Çiva)

wiped out the Tripuras.

 

**Readers please NOTE, a very

auspicious day was chosen and so was the time besides a very powerful Jupiter

in Chandrashekharji’s chart. So why was that particular elected day VERY

inauspicious (according to VV Divekar?)

Yugadi days are

considered “holidays†and charities are good on ManvAdi

days, except for reading the Vedas.

 

NP

Chapter 56 shlokas 423 - 426

grastAste tridinaM pUrvaM pashcAdgrastodaye 'thavA|

saMdhyAyAM

tridinaM tadvannishIthe sapta eva ca||56.424||

 

Meaning:

Avoid the three days after their setting (combustion, infancy, old age) and three days before their rise (again). As far as

their dusks are concerned, three day before setting and seven days before their

rise should be avoided.

[s.Rath:] Please

be specific - is it combustion, infancy or old age, or all of them? What

are the dusks of these planets that you use Swee?

 

All three are to be considered. The sandhyas of the planets when they

move in into retrogression or combustion, and when they (Jupiter and Venus) move

out of retrogression etc.

 

Love,

Swee

p/s WRT whichever

regions/countries are patrilineal or matrilineal, it

is according to regional customs and I am not here to discuss that. Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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