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Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.

+--------------+|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |

|Ke GL |AL | | || | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Md || | | |

| | | |

| | | || | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------||Sa | |Gk |

| | | |

| | | || | | |

| | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | | |Ra HL |

| | | | || | | | |

| | | | || | | | |

+--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 " Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

| | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su ||AL | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR |

| | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------+Best WishesSarajit

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hraum namah adityaya

Dear Sarajit,

 

 

If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth).

Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN).

Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world.

In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H.

He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme).

He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

 

 

 

 

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Sarajit Poddar

varahamihira

Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM

|Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali

 

 

Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.+--------------+|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As ||Ke GL |AL | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Md || | | | | | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Sa | |Gk | | | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Ra HL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | | +--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00" Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke | | | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | || | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su ||AL | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR | | | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------| |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+Best WishesSarajit

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sarajit, Rafal,A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hraum namah adityaya Dear Sarajit, If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN).

Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sarajit

Poddar varahamihira Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are

the indications which show him to be an artist.+--------------+|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As ||Ke GL |AL | | || | | | | | | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| | |Md || | | | | | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Sa | |Gk | | | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------| | | | |Ra HL || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | | +--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00" Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke | | | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | || | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su ||AL | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR | | | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------| |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+Best WishesSarajit

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,

Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).

For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.

Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme wrote: > hraum namah adityaya> Dear Sarajit,> > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > > > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > Dear Jyotishas,> > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > +--------------+> |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> |Ke GL |AL | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | | |Md |> | | | | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Sa | |Gk | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Ra HL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > +--------------+> May 11, 1904> Time: 8:45:00> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> Figueras, Spain> > +--------------+> | | |Gk |As |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Navamsa | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> |Ra HL | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> +--------------+> > +--------------+> |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> |AL | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |GL | |Ma MeR | > | | |Ra HL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Drekkana | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |As | | |Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> +--------------+> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.>

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarajit, You have given Parivrittitraya Dreshkaana, Can you please educate more on the usage of it. -Warm RegardsSanjay POn 8/13/06,

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.

+--------------+|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |

|Ke GL |AL | | || | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Md || | | |

| | | |

| | | || | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------||Sa | |Gk |

| | | |

| | | || | | |

| | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | | |Ra HL |

| | | | || | | | |

| | | | || | | | |

+--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 " Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

| | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |

|AL | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR |

| | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------+Best WishesSarajit

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Sourav, How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal, Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person). For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important

graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality. Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================ varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > A few thoughts. 3rd

lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme wrote: > hraum namah adityaya> Dear Sarajit,> > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder

brother die prior to His birth). > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > > > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira

> Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > Dear Jyotishas,> > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > +--------------+> |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> |Ke GL |AL | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | | |Md |> | | | | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Sa | |Gk | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Ra HL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | |

| | > +--------------+> May 11, 1904> Time: 8:45:00> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> Figueras, Spain> > +--------------+> | | |Gk |As |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Navamsa | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> |Ra HL | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |>

+--------------+> > +--------------+> |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> |AL | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |GL | |Ma MeR | > | | |Ra HL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Drekkana | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |As | | |Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> +--------------+> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > > > > > >

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAMAUM GURUBYO NAMAHDear Sarajit, Sourav & others,Namaste. May i try this.Sani is the AK placed in Makara the smashana/psychic sign in the 8th house. AK Sani is seen to be involved in Brahamana saapa. Wearing the glasses of Sani the Atma believes itself as Vriddha/old & deeply sorrowful. He is not happy at all with the intelligence bestowed by birth(lagna is placed in 6th from Sani). Though Paka lagna makes Sani to relax(5th from KL) a bit the presence of Mars[(who plays the dual role of GK & BK(forced)] in 5th & Rahu in 9th (who takes over Sun)push him back to his sorrowful/tamasic(tamas means deluded state) state as he believes he does not have a proper shelter(ashraya).With reference to the Karaka lagna we find Sun the AMK placed in 4th in exaltation sign with Venus the yoga karaka for karaka lagna. We however find Rahu in all readiness to replace Sun for taking over the post of AMK the

minister.Let us now see how both the anta karanas react to Karaka lagna. By the way as you may be aware anta karanas speak about the specific activity which the AK likes to indulge in and wants to accomplish it.1.With reference to Sani let us take Sun first. Keeping the AK as the Sun let us treat Sun the AMK as Moon and work out the thithi and antakarana. The distance moved by Sun with reference to Sani in terms of thithi is Sukla paksha astami ruled by Rahu and belonging to the group of Badra ruled by Buda, and the karana is Visti karana ruled by Sani. There is no mismatch between Sani the AK and Sani the anta karana lord.2.Now let us take Rahu the replacing graha(Sun is replaced - CK replacement) and find out the thithi and antakarana. The thithi is Krishna paksha tryodashi ruled by Guru and belonging to Badra group again. The antakarana is kaulava ruled by Mars. This gives a different perspective altogether. With reference to Rahu the

antakarana lord Mars is placed in 9th which is the MKS of Rahu. Now let us also see the ghataka karana for Kanya the place where Rahu is posited. The ghataka karana for Kanya rasi is Kaulava!!! This means a clear war is seen(MKS & Ghataka). Though Rahu would like to take over the job of Sun the relationship chord which it had struck(krishna paksha trayodashi) does not make him happy. He is not interested in performing the job assigned to him on account of this relationship.In the rasi chart we find Mars and Venus to have exchanged signs. Mars is found forcing Venus to change because of his close proximity with Lagna Lord Buda. The replacement forces Venus to take over the reigns of antakarana. The moment Rahu takes over the post of minister Mars entrusts the antakarana activity to Venus. Since Mars is wounded by Rahu the logical element to activity of antakarana is lost making Salvador a surrealist. Also we find Venus in the domain of Varuna.Venus

is placed in 3rd with reference to AK Sani in dasamsa which means the atma is made to feel relaxed!!!(holidaying)as and when the atma sinks into painting. Venus is the 9th lord from AK in navamsa, jagannath dreshkana & parivritti traya dreshkana.Best wishes.May Mother Bless.Astrologically & spiritually yours,p.s.ramanarayanan.Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and

Michal, Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person). For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is

not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality. Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================ varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> >

A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme wrote: > hraum namah adityaya> Dear Sarajit,> > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth

bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > > > - > Sarajit Poddar > To:

varahamihira > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > Dear Jyotishas,> > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > +--------------+> |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> |Ke GL |AL | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> | | |Md |> | | | | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Sa | |Gk | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Ra HL |> | | | | |> | |

| | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > +--------------+> May 11, 1904> Time: 8:45:00> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> Figueras, Spain> > +--------------+> | | |Gk |As |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Navamsa | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> |Ra HL | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |>

+--------------+> > +--------------+> |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> |AL | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |GL | |Ma MeR | > | | |Ra HL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Drekkana | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |As | | |Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> +--------------+> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > > > > > >

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Sarajit, Sourav & others,

 

Namaste. May i try this.

 

Sani is the AK placed in Makara the smashana/psychic sign in the 8th

house. AK Sani is seen to be involved in Brahamana saapa. Wearing the

glasses of Sani the Atma believes itself as Vriddha/old & deeply

sorrowful. He is not happy at all with the intelligence bestowed by

birth(lagna is placed in 6th from Sani). Though Paka lagna makes Sani

to relax(5th from KL) a bit the presence of Mars[(who plays the dual

role of GK & BK(forced)] in 5th & Rahu in 9th (who takes over Sun)push

him back to his sorrowful/tamasic(tamas means deluded state) state as

he believes he does not have a proper shelter(ashraya).

 

With reference to the Karaka lagna we find Sun the AMK placed in 4th

in exaltation sign with Venus the yoga karaka for karaka lagna. We

however find Rahu in all readiness to replace Sun for taking over the

post of AMK the minister.

 

Let us now see how both the anta karanas react to Karaka lagna. By the

way as you may be aware anta karanas speak about the specific activity

which the AK likes to indulge in and wants to accomplish it.

 

1.With reference to Sani let us take Sun first. Keeping the AK as the

Sun let us treat Sun the AMK as Moon and work out the thithi and

antakarana. The distance moved by Sun with reference to Sani in terms

of thithi is Sukla paksha astami ruled by Rahu and belonging to the

group of Badra ruled by Buda, and the karana is Visti karana ruled by

Sani. There is no mismatch between Sani the AK and Sani the anta

karana lord.

 

2.Now let us take Rahu the replacing graha(Sun is replaced - CK

replacement) and find out the thithi and antakarana. The thithi is

Krishna paksha tryodashi ruled by Guru and belonging to Badra group

again. The antakarana is kaulava ruled by Mars. This gives a different

perspective altogether. With reference to Rahu the antakarana lord

Mars is placed in 9th which is the MKS of Rahu. Now let us also see

the ghataka karana for Kanya the place where Rahu is posited. The

ghataka karana for Kanya rasi is Kaulava!!! This means a clear war is

seen(MKS & Ghataka). Though Rahu would like to take over the job of

Sun the relationship chord which it had struck(krishna paksha

trayodashi) does not make him happy. He is not interested in

performing the job assigned to him on account of this relationship.

 

In the rasi chart we find Mars and Venus to have exchanged signs. Mars

is found forcing Venus to change because of his close proximity with

Lagna Lord Buda. The replacement forces Venus to take over the reigns

of antakarana. The moment Rahu takes over the post of minister Mars

entrusts the antakarana activity to Venus. Since Mars is wounded by

Rahu the logical element to activity of antakarana is lost making

Salvador a surrealist. Also we find Venus in the domain of Varuna.

 

Venus is placed in 3rd with reference to AK Sani in dasamsa which

means the atma is made to feel relaxed!!!(holidaying)as and when the

atma sinks into painting. Venus is the 9th lord from AK in navamsa,

jagannath dreshkana & parivritti traya dreshkana.

 

Best wishes.

 

May Mother Bless.

 

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

 

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal

wrote:

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Sourav,

>

> How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious

glance'. You must be very skilled. Actually, Dali's attention to

detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is

pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you

describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture

such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?

> Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given

him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and

his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite

from the government and public.

> What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna?

Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent

tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Sourav <souravc108 wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,

>

Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct

(which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for

the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to

propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to

get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as

lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have

made him a very aggressive person).

> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in

paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which

tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka

lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in

imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives

Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check

Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.

> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at

the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look

at the chart with a fresh view.

> Best wishes,

> Sourav

> ================================================================

>

>

>

> varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@>

wrote:

> >

> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

> >

> > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,

> >

> > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted

and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool

that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was

to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house

ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the

same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the

result is the art he produced.

> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> > Michal

> >

> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

> >

> > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote:

> > hraum namah adityaya

> > Dear Sarajit,

> >

> >

> > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and

Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written

under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also

Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder

brother die prior to His birth).

> > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic

talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third

in D-3 (JN).

> > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise

(BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame

around the world.

> > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has

Rahu as 9L in 4H.

> > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa

with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND

scheme).

> > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989

Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign

yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.

> > Regards

> > Rafal Gendarz

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Sarajit Poddar

> > varahamihira

> > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM

> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali

> >

> >

> > Dear Jyotishas,

> >

> > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.

> >

> > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an

artist.

> >

> > +--------------+

> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |

> > |Ke GL |AL | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > | | |Md |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> > |Sa | |Gk |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > | | | |Ra HL |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> > May 11, 1904

> > Time: 8:45:00

> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 "

> > Figueras, Spain

> >

> > +--------------+

> > | | |Gk |As |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | Navamsa | |

> > |-----------| |-----------|

> > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |

> > |Ra HL | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > +--------------+

> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |

> > |AL | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |GL | |Ma MeR |

> > | | |Ra HL |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | Drekkana | |

> > |-----------| |-----------|

> > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > | | | |

> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> > |As | | |Sa |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > Best Wishes

> > Sarajit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Michal,

Namaskar. Comments below.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled.

[sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.

Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?

[sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.

> Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.

[sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ?

Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also.

Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.

Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?

> What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly

describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from

Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making

personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not

negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a

colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka

Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > --- In

varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > >

> > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two

malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | |

|> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.>

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly

describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from

Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making

personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not

negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a

colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka

Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > --- In

varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > >

> > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two

malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | |

> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | |

|> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.>

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Agree with your use of Mithuna lagna, it seems more acurate with that Venus in Arudha Lagna and the Venus-Mars parivartana which on one hand strengthens his arudha in the 'limelight' (Venus) and at the same time is deteriorating his mind (lagnesh-budha under curse and joined Mars). This is also the cause of his Alzhimers, which makes me strongly support Mithuna lagna.

 

Keep in mind that he lost a parrent from an early age - his mother at 16. With Gemini lagna the Sun is placed in the Arudha lagna and exalted, which is a yoga for such a loss. This is confirmed with Moon specifically placed in the twelfth from arudha lagna causing this loss. The addition of fourth lord from Lagna and Chandra being under curse and badly placed can be added to this list of misfortunes to the mother.

 

I think the point about his spouse is a bit misplaced. This may not have been his first serious relationship. Nevertheless had it been, we would be looking for a connection with Rahu as the lady had been married before marrying Dali. To add, she was a foreigner and they met on the movie set. This makes sense with both Vrishabha and Karka navamsa lagna.

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Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal] 15 August 2006 23:28varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

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Dear Michal,

Namaskar. Comments below.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled.

[sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.

Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?

[sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.

> Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.

[sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ?

Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also.

Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.

Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?

> What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Michal,

Namaskar. Comments below.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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> > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others

[sourav]: These kind of apprehensions one suffers due to looking at things too closely and take it from personal perspective. When we are discussing a chart amongst friends and students its 'okay' in my understanding to address like this. There is no disrespect of 'bossing' or authority intended. It depends upon one's state of mind when one reads it and how one takes it internally.

My 'objection' (respectful of course) is about quickly accepting a chart and explaining away things. While any one can have 100% success rate in explaining a chart, few have high rate of success in predicting. This somewhat shows that we should be circumspect in deciding if a lagna is right or not. Thats the idea I had when i proposed Karka lagna to engage members like you into discussion. Firstly, as stated in my first message, I want to know the source and accuracy of time also. I don't have ego-related issues in trying to dominate and dismiss opinions. Also note that I can also pick up a line or two from your writing and start thinking opposite things about you. But I prefer not to as I know it is difficult to know a person from an internet message board. So lets just discuss jyotish and not become sarcastic/judgemental. It creates wrong environment only and serves no good purpose.

where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.

> > If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,

[sourav]: If 2nd house is also like swamsa then first house is also swamsa, so how you distinguish ? Sanjay-ji has taught us to see the trines to Navamsa Lagna to see the talents. I was seeing the Navamsa lagna in this way.

> > AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"?

[sourav]: His biographer Lozano says he is surrealist and eccentric. Please give me your opinion about his character and dominant traits so as to enable me to understand your view point.

He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention.

[sourav]: My AL is in Mesha but I rarely fight with people or try to lead. So Arudha is based on general people's imagination and indoctrination and not the real me.

In Dali's chart, AL in Vrischika shows a sense of mysticism associated with this personality. Surya and Shukra are aspecting from Mesha onto this AL giving some colorful aspects also. Retrograde Budha and Mangal in the 7th shows some hurdles.

So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?

[sourav]: I think we should look at the Rasi and Navamsa chart with events and not AL when we are starting to judge a chart. Let us draw up a list of 5 or 7 significant events and judge either lagna accordingly with different applicable dasas.

> > His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years.

[sourav]: 9th lord Surya in Lagna in Dhanush rasi (Navamsa Chart) indicates what about wife ? I think it indicates a person who is strong in dharma. Please give me an idea about his wife's character. What I wrote is from information culled from wikipaedia.com.

Shani in the 7th house can give an older spouse and also widow. I think his wife was a widow before marriage. In Indian context it is important. Previously marriage used to be between older man and younger woman and typically not the opposite (even today this happens in India mostly). Hence this significance of Shani in the 7th. It usually shows a mature spouse or one who has seen sorrow (widowed previously).

They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.> > He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury).

[sourav]: I am not sure what the combinations of Parkinson's disease is. It is said ( in the reference I just referred to) that his wife was responsible for this by giving him some cocktail medicines. But this could be conjecture.

The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.

[sourav]: To me retrograde Budha in deep rasi sandhi cannot show that kind of painter of that stature and fame. Budha and Mangal in the 8th from Navamsa Lagna is in the sign of Makara which is in the 8th from Rasi lagna also. With such strong 8th house in Navamsa Chart, how is such strong marriage accounted for ? Guru is the only graha in the trines to Navamsa lagna in the 9th house in Kumbha.

How do we explain 'flamboyant' painting and social career with Guru Ketu Chandra yoga in the 10th ? 10th house is the most important house for such a personality and is governing the entire life. We should be careful about this house and judge the grahas there. Arudhas can be judged subsequently. In my understanding Guru-Ketu-Chandra yoga in Meena rasi in the 10th house is not reflective of a revolutionary modern painter. It looks more like a traditional career in law or legal field or teaching or related to dharma or spirituality. Moreover, this amounts to Hamsa Mahapurusa yoga also. Do you think he could be described as a Hamsa Mahapurusha personality.

> > I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.

[sourav]: Yes, please let us be respectful and kind to each other even though apparently we may see something else in each other's writings. Half the time such assumptions are wrong or undue. So let's not focus on such issues. If I didn't have sincere doubts I wouldn't have entered discussion.

> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Michal,> Namaskar. Comments below.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ==================================================> > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. > [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.> Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?> [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.> > > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.> [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? > Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. > Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.> Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?> > > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> > Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> > For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> > Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ================================================================> > > > > > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > >> > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > Michal> > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > > Regards> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > varahamihira > > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > > > +--------------+> > > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > | | |Md |> > > | | | | > > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > |Sa | |Gk | > > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > | | | |Ra HL |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | | > > > +--------------+> > > May 11, 1904> > > Time: 8:45:00> > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > > Figueras, Spain> > > > > > +--------------+> > > | | |Gk |As |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | Navamsa | |> > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > > |Ra HL | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | | > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > +--------------+> > > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > > |AL | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > > | | |Ra HL |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | Drekkana | |> > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | | > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |As | | |Sa |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > Best Wishes> > > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,The lord of the 7th house in Navamsa should be seen for the spouse themselves, whilst the 7th house should be seen for the traits the spouse will have. For example, Jaimini says that Sun in the 7th house will give a spouse that is loved by the family. This is something different to who the spouse is as a person which should be read from the lord.Why do you say that Arudhas should be judged subsequently? I have seen entire circumstances of a persons life described by use of Arudhas. Again, many people have Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga. How it manifests is determined by all the factors in the chart. As Jupiter is 7th lord and UL lord placed in UL, then we can surmise that this greatness will come through his spouse and marriage. And indeed his marriage lasted until death parted them, which is significant considering his life as an artist.Why it didn't manifest as a

career in law - I would look at the Lagna Lord and its associations, and perhaps more so, its lesser association with Jupiter.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below.

Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================ > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others [sourav]: These kind of apprehensions one suffers due to looking at things too closely and take it from personal perspective. When we are discussing a chart amongst friends and students its 'okay' in my understanding to address like this. There is no disrespect of 'bossing' or authority intended. It depends upon one's state of mind when one reads it and how one takes it internally. My 'objection' (respectful of course)

is about quickly accepting a chart and explaining away things. While any one can have 100% success rate in explaining a chart, few have high rate of success in predicting. This somewhat shows that we should be circumspect in deciding if a lagna is right or not. Thats the idea I had when i proposed Karka lagna to engage members like you into discussion. Firstly, as stated in my first message, I want to know the source and accuracy of time also. I don't have ego-related issues in trying to dominate and dismiss opinions. Also note that I can also pick up a line or two from your writing and start thinking opposite things about you. But I prefer not to as I know it is difficult to know a person from an internet message board. So lets just discuss jyotish and not become sarcastic/judgemental. It creates wrong environment only and serves no good purpose. where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does

no harm, please don't be offended. > > If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point, [sourav]: If 2nd house is also like swamsa then first house is also swamsa, so how you distinguish ? Sanjay-ji has taught us to see the trines to Navamsa Lagna to see the talents. I was seeing the Navamsa lagna in this way. > > AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better

than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? [sourav]: His biographer Lozano says he is surrealist and eccentric. Please give me your opinion about his character and dominant traits so as to enable me to understand your view point. He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. [sourav]: My AL is in Mesha but I rarely fight with people or try to lead. So Arudha is based on general people's imagination and indoctrination and not the real me. In Dali's chart, AL in Vrischika shows a sense of mysticism associated with this personality. Surya and Shukra are aspecting from Mesha onto this AL giving some colorful aspects also. Retrograde Budha and Mangal in the 7th shows some hurdles. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika? [sourav]: I think we should look at the Rasi and Navamsa chart with events

and not AL when we are starting to judge a chart. Let us draw up a list of 5 or 7 significant events and judge either lagna accordingly with different applicable dasas. > > His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. [sourav]: 9th lord Surya in Lagna in Dhanush rasi (Navamsa Chart) indicates what about wife ? I think it indicates a person who is strong in dharma. Please give me an idea about his wife's character. What I wrote is from information culled from wikipaedia.com. Shani in the 7th house can give an older spouse and also widow. I think his wife

was a widow before marriage. In Indian context it is important. Previously marriage used to be between older man and younger woman and typically not the opposite (even today this happens in India mostly). Hence this significance of Shani in the 7th. It usually shows a mature spouse or one who has seen sorrow (widowed previously). They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.> > He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). [sourav]: I am not sure what the combinations of Parkinson's disease is. It is said ( in the reference I just referred to) that his wife was responsible for this by giving him some cocktail medicines. But this could be conjecture. The kind of mental difficulties he

faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all. [sourav]: To me retrograde Budha in deep rasi sandhi cannot show that kind of painter of that stature and fame. Budha and Mangal in the 8th from Navamsa Lagna is in the sign of Makara which is in the 8th from Rasi lagna also. With such strong 8th house in Navamsa Chart, how is such strong marriage accounted for ? Guru is the only graha in the trines to Navamsa lagna in the 9th house in Kumbha. How do we explain 'flamboyant' painting and social career with Guru Ketu Chandra yoga in the 10th ? 10th house is the most important house for such a personality and is governing the entire life. We should be careful about this house and judge the

grahas there. Arudhas can be judged subsequently. In my understanding Guru-Ketu-Chandra yoga in Meena rasi in the 10th house is not reflective of a revolutionary modern painter. It looks more like a traditional career in law or legal field or teaching or related to dharma or spirituality. Moreover, this amounts to Hamsa Mahapurusa yoga also. Do you think he could be described as a Hamsa Mahapurusha personality. > > I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these. [sourav]: Yes, please let us be respectful and kind to each other even though apparently we may see something else in each other's writings. Half the time such assumptions are wrong or undue. So let's not focus on such issues. If I didn't have sincere doubts I wouldn't have entered discussion. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> >

> Sourav souravc108 wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Michal,> Namaskar. Comments below.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ==================================================> > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. > [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.> Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if

karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?> [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.> > > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.> [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? > Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika

AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. > Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.> Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?> > > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@

wrote:> > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> > Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> > For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so

many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> > Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ================================================================> > > > > > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > >> > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many

malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > Michal> > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet

in third in D-3 (JN). > > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > > Regards> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > varahamihira > > > Sunday, August 13, 2006

1:55 PM> > > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > > > +--------------+> > > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > | | |Md |> > > | | | | > > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > |Sa | |Gk | > > > | | | |> > > | |

| |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > | | | |Ra HL |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | | > > > +--------------+> > > May 11, 1904> > > Time: 8:45:00> > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > > Figueras, Spain> > > > > > +--------------+> > > | | |Gk |As |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | Navamsa | |> > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > > |Ra HL | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | | > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > +--------------+> > > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > > |AL | | | | > > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > >

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti,An excellent point about his Mother. The Sun exalted or debilitated in the 1st or 7th houses causes the loss of parents - of course! I have the same combination and experience. Strange to miss something so close to home.In rasi chart the influence of Rahu on the UL is very strong. But then she wasn't a widow - Dali's wife left her husband to be with him. For this the combination of Moon and Mercury must be present in relation to his wife. If we take Vrishabha Navamsa Lagna, 7th lord Mars is conjoined Rahu, as well as Mercury, and with the added influence of the Moon (due to the parivartana of Mercury and Saturn), fulfilling this condition.Is there anything exceedingly peculiar or special about parivartana in Navamsa when the Atmakaraka is involved?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <visti

wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Agree with your use of Mithuna lagna, it seems more acurate with that Venus in Arudha Lagna and the Venus-Mars parivartana which on one hand strengthens his arudha in the 'limelight' (Venus) and at the same time is deteriorating his mind (lagnesh-budha under curse and joined Mars). This is also the cause of his Alzhimers, which makes me strongly support Mithuna lagna. Keep in mind that he lost a parrent from an early age - his mother at 16. With Gemini lagna the Sun is placed in the Arudha lagna and exalted, which is a yoga for such a loss. This is confirmed with Moon specifically placed in the twelfth from arudha lagna causing this loss. The addition of fourth lord from Lagna and Chandra being under curse and badly placed can be added to this list of misfortunes to the mother. I think the point about his spouse is a bit misplaced. This may not have been his first serious relationship. Nevertheless had it been, we would be looking for a connection with Rahu as the lady had been married before marrying Dali. To add, she was a foreigner and they met on the movie set. This makes sense with both Vrishabha and Karka navamsa lagna. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 15 August 2006 23:28varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna?

Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her

husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have

to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of

Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and

Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.>

Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury

and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and

Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | |

| | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.> >> > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Michal,

Namaskar. I have been taught to use the 7H as lagna and derive spouses characteristics (Sanjay-ji and Narasimha -ji use it). There is always the difference between Pakalagna and Lagna. How you view the world and want to act is through Pakalagna. What actually happens to you is seen from Lagna. All the classics focus of Lagna to see what the characterictics (effects of actions etc) is. For example, Hamasa etc Mahapurusha Yogas are seen from the Lagna and not from Pakalagna. So, for example, if a person has Guru in own rasi in Kendra to Lagna his descriptions are give in classics as a person of very strong moral fiber, learned in Sashtras (traditional knowledge) etc. Whereas, if Guru is in own rasi in kendra to Paakalagna such is not derived.

Arudhas are Maaya and for Rasi chart Arudha shows a general impression of people of the world. I may find a sportstar a very bad person while in general the impression for the sportstar all over the world (i.e. in world society) is something different. Here I may mixing my own phychological impression with my process of analysis. That what is flamboyant to you may not be 'flamboyant' in general impression of people. Hence as a general rule, when it comes to impressions I don't treat Arudha so fast. Specifics can vary from person to person. Of course Parasara has given 'some' specific rules for AL.

10th house contains three graha yoga in Meena. Meena is Guru's sign and is moolatrikona of Ketu. Guru-Ketu yoga indicates a tradition. Chandra is joining there also. This is a strong yoga no doubt and must be dealt with first, instead of shifting focus on Budha and deriving career from there. I find it hard to accept otherwise. When Nodes are in kendra in such strength, the control in strongly in the 10th house. There is a parivartana between Mangal and Shukra who are not friends. Further Shukra is weak and defeated in presence of strong Surya.

As for UL I think we should take a step back and see if there were any prior relations. If we take Meena as UL there is a 2-12 relationship between AL/UL. If we take AL in Vrischika (as I suggest to look at as an alternative) UL is in Mesha which is again 6-8 relation. So we should check no. of marriage-like sambandhas he had prior to this one.

Some of the objections I have about the Mithuna lagna is (a) Lagnesh is in 12-th house in rasi sandhi (cannot protect its lordships - Sarbani-ji's article in her website) (b) Paakalagna is under curse with conjoined Mangal giving a warring attitude in actions. © Guru is in 11th from Paakaagna - Guru's worst placement as 11th house is Hara-sthana (Sanjay-ji's Atri lecture on 5th house) that too under Nodal axis. This makes the Paakalagna really weak and cannot sustain such a long illustrious career. (d) Lagna is 6th from AK.

Best wishes,

Sourav

===============================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > The lord of the 7th house in Navamsa should be seen for the spouse themselves, whilst the 7th house should be seen for the traits the spouse will have. For example, Jaimini says that Sun in the 7th house will give a spouse that is loved by the family. This is something different to who the spouse is as a person which should be read from the lord.> > Why do you say that Arudhas should be judged subsequently? I have seen entire circumstances of a persons life described by use of Arudhas. > > Again, many people have Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga. How it manifests is determined by all the factors in the chart. As Jupiter is 7th lord and UL lord placed in UL, then we can surmise that this greatness will come through his spouse and marriage. And indeed his marriage lasted until death parted them, which is significant considering his life as an artist.> > Why it didn't manifest as a career in law - I would look at the Lagna Lord and its associations, and perhaps more so, its lesser association with Jupiter.> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Michal,> Namaskar. Comments below.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others> [sourav]: These kind of apprehensions one suffers due to looking at things too closely and take it from personal perspective. When we are discussing a chart amongst friends and students its 'okay' in my understanding to address like this. There is no disrespect of 'bossing' or authority intended. It depends upon one's state of mind when one reads it and how one takes it internally.> My 'objection' (respectful of course) is about quickly accepting a chart and explaining away things. While any one can have 100% success rate in explaining a chart, few have high rate of success in predicting. This somewhat shows that we should be circumspect in deciding if a lagna is right or not. Thats the idea I had when i proposed Karka lagna to engage members like you into discussion. Firstly, as stated in my first message, I want to know the source and accuracy of time also. I don't have ego-related issues in trying to dominate and dismiss opinions. Also note that I can also pick up a line or two from your writing and start thinking opposite things about you. But I prefer not to as I know it is difficult to know a person from an internet message board. So lets just discuss jyotish and not become sarcastic/judgemental. It creates wrong environment only and serves no good purpose.> where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.> > > > > If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,> [sourav]: If 2nd house is also like swamsa then first house is also swamsa, so how you distinguish ? Sanjay-ji has taught us to see the trines to Navamsa Lagna to see the talents. I was seeing the Navamsa lagna in this way. > > > > > AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? > [sourav]: His biographer Lozano says he is surrealist and eccentric. Please give me your opinion about his character and dominant traits so as to enable me to understand your view point.> He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. > [sourav]: My AL is in Mesha but I rarely fight with people or try to lead. So Arudha is based on general people's imagination and indoctrination and not the real me. > In Dali's chart, AL in Vrischika shows a sense of mysticism associated with this personality. Surya and Shukra are aspecting from Mesha onto this AL giving some colorful aspects also. Retrograde Budha and Mangal in the 7th shows some hurdles. > So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?> [sourav]: I think we should look at the Rasi and Navamsa chart with events and not AL when we are starting to judge a chart. Let us draw up a list of 5 or 7 significant events and judge either lagna accordingly with different applicable dasas.> > > > > His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years.> [sourav]: 9th lord Surya in Lagna in Dhanush rasi (Navamsa Chart) indicates what about wife ? I think it indicates a person who is strong in dharma. Please give me an idea about his wife's character. What I wrote is from information culled from wikipaedia.com.> Shani in the 7th house can give an older spouse and also widow. I think his wife was a widow before marriage. In Indian context it is important. Previously marriage used to be between older man and younger woman and typically not the opposite (even today this happens in India mostly). Hence this significance of Shani in the 7th. It usually shows a mature spouse or one who has seen sorrow (widowed previously).> They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.> > > > He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). > [sourav]: I am not sure what the combinations of Parkinson's disease is. It is said ( in the reference I just referred to) that his wife was responsible for this by giving him some cocktail medicines. But this could be conjecture.> The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.> [sourav]: To me retrograde Budha in deep rasi sandhi cannot show that kind of painter of that stature and fame. Budha and Mangal in the 8th from Navamsa Lagna is in the sign of Makara which is in the 8th from Rasi lagna also. With such strong 8th house in Navamsa Chart, how is such strong marriage accounted for ? Guru is the only graha in the trines to Navamsa lagna in the 9th house in Kumbha. > How do we explain 'flamboyant' painting and social career with Guru Ketu Chandra yoga in the 10th ? 10th house is the most important house for such a personality and is governing the entire life. We should be careful about this house and judge the grahas there. Arudhas can be judged subsequently. In my understanding Guru-Ketu-Chandra yoga in Meena rasi in the 10th house is not reflective of a revolutionary modern painter. It looks more like a traditional career in law or legal field or teaching or related to dharma or spirituality. Moreover, this amounts to Hamsa Mahapurusa yoga also. Do you think he could be described as a Hamsa Mahapurusha personality.> > > > > I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.> [sourav]: Yes, please let us be respectful and kind to each other even though apparently we may see something else in each other's writings. Half the time such assumptions are wrong or undue. So let's not focus on such issues. If I didn't have sincere doubts I wouldn't have entered discussion.> > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Michal,> > Namaskar. Comments below.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > >> > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > > > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. > > [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.> > Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?> > [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.> > > > > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.> > [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? > > Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. > > Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.> > Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?> > > > > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > Michal> > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> > > Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> > > For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> > > Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> > > Best wishes,> > > Sourav> > > ================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > > >> > > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > > > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > > > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > > > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > Michal> > > > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > > > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > varahamihira > > > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > > > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > > > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > > > > > +--------------+> > > > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > > > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > | | |Md |> > > > | | | | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > > |Sa | |Gk | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > | | | |Ra HL |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > +--------------+> > > > May 11, 1904> > > > Time: 8:45:00> > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > > > Figueras, Spain> > > > > > > > +--------------+> > > > | | |Gk |As |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | Navamsa | |> > > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > > > |Ra HL | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | | > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > +--------------+> > > > > > > > +--------------+> > > > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > > > |AL | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > > > | | |Ra HL |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | Drekkana | |> > > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | | > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |As | | |Sa |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > +--------------+> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. 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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti,An excellent point about his Mother. The Sun exalted or debilitated in the 1st or 7th houses causes the loss of parents - of course! I have the same combination and experience. Strange to miss something so close to home.In rasi chart the influence of Rahu on the UL is very strong. But then she wasn't a widow - Dali's wife left her husband to be with him. For this the combination of Moon and Mercury must be present in relation to his wife. If we take Vrishabha Navamsa Lagna, 7th lord Mars is conjoined Rahu, as well as Mercury, and with the added influence of the Moon (due to the parivartana of Mercury and Saturn), fulfilling this condition.Is there anything exceedingly peculiar or special about parivartana in Navamsa when the Atmakaraka is involved?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <visti

wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Agree with your use of Mithuna lagna, it seems more acurate with that Venus in Arudha Lagna and the Venus-Mars parivartana which on one hand strengthens his arudha in the 'limelight' (Venus) and at the same time is deteriorating his mind (lagnesh-budha under curse and joined Mars). This is also the cause of his Alzhimers, which makes me strongly support Mithuna lagna. Keep in mind that he lost a parrent from an early age - his mother at 16. With Gemini lagna the Sun is placed in the Arudha lagna and exalted, which is a yoga for such a loss. This is confirmed with Moon specifically placed in the twelfth from arudha lagna causing this loss. The addition of fourth lord from Lagna and Chandra being under curse and badly placed can be added to this list of misfortunes to the mother. I think the point about his spouse is a bit misplaced. This may not have been his first serious relationship. Nevertheless had it been, we would be looking for a connection with Rahu as the lady had been married before marrying Dali. To add, she was a foreigner and they met on the movie set. This makes sense with both Vrishabha and Karka navamsa lagna. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 15 August 2006 23:28varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna?

Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her

husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have

to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of

Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and

Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.>

Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury

and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and

Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | |

| | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.> >> > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti,An excellent point about his Mother. The Sun exalted or debilitated in the 1st or 7th houses causes the loss of parents - of course! I have the same combination and experience. Strange to miss something so close to home.In rasi chart the influence of Rahu on the UL is very strong. But then she wasn't a widow - Dali's wife left her husband to be with him. For this the combination of Moon and Mercury must be present in relation to his wife. If we take Vrishabha Navamsa Lagna, 7th lord Mars is conjoined Rahu, as well as Mercury, and with the added influence of the Moon (due to the parivartana of Mercury and Saturn), fulfilling this condition.Is there anything exceedingly peculiar or special about parivartana in Navamsa when the Atmakaraka is involved?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <visti

wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Agree with your use of Mithuna lagna, it seems more acurate with that Venus in Arudha Lagna and the Venus-Mars parivartana which on one hand strengthens his arudha in the 'limelight' (Venus) and at the same time is deteriorating his mind (lagnesh-budha under curse and joined Mars). This is also the cause of his Alzhimers, which makes me strongly support Mithuna lagna. Keep in mind that he lost a parrent from an early age - his mother at 16. With Gemini lagna the Sun is placed in the Arudha lagna and exalted, which is a yoga for such a loss. This is confirmed with Moon specifically placed in the twelfth from arudha lagna causing this loss. The addition of fourth lord from Lagna and Chandra being under curse and badly placed can be added to this list of misfortunes to the mother. I think the point about his spouse is a bit misplaced. This may not have been his first serious relationship. Nevertheless had it been, we would be looking for a connection with Rahu as the lady had been married before marrying Dali. To add, she was a foreigner and they met on the movie set. This makes sense with both Vrishabha and Karka navamsa lagna. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 15 August 2006 23:28varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna?

Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her

husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have

to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of

Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and

Michal,> Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.>

Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury

and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and

Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > +--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | |

| | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > +--------------+> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.> >> > > > > > > > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.> Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail Beta.

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Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti,An excellent point about his Mother. The Sun exalted or debilitated in the 1st or 7th houses causes the loss of parents - of course! I have the same combination and experience. Strange to miss something so close to home.In rasi chart the influence of Rahu on the UL is very strong. But then she wasn't a widow - Dali's wife left her husband to be with him. For this the combination of Moon and Mercury must be present in relation to his wife. If we take Vrishabha Navamsa Lagna, 7th lord Mars is conjoined Rahu, as well as Mercury, and with the added influence of the Moon (due to the parivartana of Mercury and Saturn), fulfilling this condition.Is there anything exceedingly peculiar or special about

parivartana in Navamsa when the Atmakaraka is involved?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <visti wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar Agree with your use of Mithuna

lagna, it seems more acurate with that Venus in Arudha Lagna and the Venus-Mars parivartana which on one hand strengthens his arudha in the 'limelight' (Venus) and at the same time is deteriorating his mind (lagnesh-budha under curse and joined Mars). This is also the cause of his Alzhimers, which makes me strongly support Mithuna lagna. Keep in mind that he lost a parrent from an early age - his mother at 16. With Gemini lagna the Sun is placed in the Arudha lagna and exalted, which is a yoga for such a loss. This is confirmed with Moon specifically placed in the twelfth from arudha lagna causing this loss. The addition of fourth lord from Lagna and Chandra being under curse and badly placed can be added to this list of misfortunes to the mother. I think the point about his spouse is a bit misplaced. This may not have been his first serious relationship. Nevertheless had it been, we would be looking for a connection with Rahu as the lady had been married before marrying Dali. To add, she was a foreigner and they met on the movie set. This makes sense with both Vrishabha and Karka navamsa lagna. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 15 August 2006 23:28varahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.If you believe that Shukra and Ketu

conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you

using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years. They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter,

and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ==================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski

<nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty. Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid? [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is

important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated. > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public. [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces

aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that. Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ? > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna? Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Sourav souravc108 wrote:> || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> Namaskar. First

of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the

messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage

do you think?> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > hraum namah adityaya> > Dear Sarajit,> > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as

9L in 4H. > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > Regards> > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > >

+--------------+> > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > | | |Md |> > | | | | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > |Sa | |Gk | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > | | | |Ra HL |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > +--------------+> > May 11, 1904> > Time: 8:45:00> > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > Figueras, Spain> > > > +--------------+> > | | |Gk |As |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Navamsa | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > |Ra HL | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> >

+--------------+> > > > +--------------+> > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > |AL | | | | > > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |GL | |Ma MeR | > > | | |Ra HL |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | Drekkana | |> > |-----------| |-----------| > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | |> > | | | | > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > |As | | |Sa |> > | | | | |> > | | | | |> > | | | | | > > | | | | |> >

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[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sourav,Dali would arrive at his own exhibitions dressed in underwater diving suits. He courted his wife with a bloodstained outfit that had the armpits cut out of it. The galant moustache that he sported is all Arudha Lagna is it not? We cannot say that these antics for which he is famous for are the real person, but a persona. These attention seeking and exhibitionist acts were his thrive and joy - something he cultivated. Something central to his public image, and something he readily admitted and encouraged in himself.What was real for him was the degenerative disorders he faced in his later years. And this is aptly described by his afflicted Lagna Lord.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Michal, Namaskar. I have been taught to use the 7H as lagna and derive spouses characteristics (Sanjay-ji and Narasimha -ji use it). There is always the difference between Pakalagna and Lagna. How you view the world and want to act is through Pakalagna. What actually happens to you is seen from Lagna. All the classics focus of Lagna to see what the characterictics (effects of

actions etc) is. For example, Hamasa etc Mahapurusha Yogas are seen from the Lagna and not from Pakalagna. So, for example, if a person has Guru in own rasi in Kendra to Lagna his descriptions are give in classics as a person of very strong moral fiber, learned in Sashtras (traditional knowledge) etc. Whereas, if Guru is in own rasi in kendra to Paakalagna such is not derived. Arudhas are Maaya and for Rasi chart Arudha shows a general impression of people of the world. I may find a sportstar a very bad person while in general the impression for the sportstar all over the world (i.e. in world society) is something different. Here I may mixing my own phychological impression with my process of analysis. That what is flamboyant to you may not be 'flamboyant' in general impression of people. Hence as a general rule, when it comes to impressions I don't treat Arudha so fast. Specifics can vary from person to person. Of course Parasara has given 'some' specific

rules for AL. 10th house contains three graha yoga in Meena. Meena is Guru's sign and is moolatrikona of Ketu. Guru-Ketu yoga indicates a tradition. Chandra is joining there also. This is a strong yoga no doubt and must be dealt with first, instead of shifting focus on Budha and deriving career from there. I find it hard to accept otherwise. When Nodes are in kendra in such strength, the control in strongly in the 10th house. There is a parivartana between Mangal and Shukra who are not friends. Further Shukra is weak and defeated in presence of strong Surya. As for UL I think we should take a step back and see if there were any prior relations. If we take Meena as UL there is a 2-12 relationship between AL/UL. If we take AL in Vrischika (as I suggest to look at as an alternative) UL is in Mesha which is again 6-8 relation. So we should check no. of marriage-like sambandhas he had prior to this one. Some of the

objections I have about the Mithuna lagna is (a) Lagnesh is in 12-th house in rasi sandhi (cannot protect its lordships - Sarbani-ji's article in her website) (b) Paakalagna is under curse with conjoined Mangal giving a warring attitude in actions. © Guru is in 11th from Paakaagna - Guru's worst placement as 11th house is Hara-sthana (Sanjay-ji's Atri lecture on 5th house) that too under Nodal axis. This makes the Paakalagna really weak and cannot sustain such a long illustrious career. (d) Lagna is 6th from AK. Best wishes, Sourav ===============================================================varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > The lord of the 7th house in Navamsa should be seen for the spouse themselves, whilst the 7th house should be seen for the

traits the spouse will have. For example, Jaimini says that Sun in the 7th house will give a spouse that is loved by the family. This is something different to who the spouse is as a person which should be read from the lord.> > Why do you say that Arudhas should be judged subsequently? I have seen entire circumstances of a persons life described by use of Arudhas. > > Again, many people have Hamsa Mahapurusha yoga. How it manifests is determined by all the factors in the chart. As Jupiter is 7th lord and UL lord placed in UL, then we can surmise that this greatness will come through his spouse and marriage. And indeed his marriage lasted until death parted them, which is significant considering his life as an artist.> > Why it didn't manifest as a career in law - I would look at the Lagna Lord and its associations, and perhaps more so, its lesser association with Jupiter.> > Respectfully,> Michal>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> Dear Michal,> Namaskar. Comments below.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ================================================================> > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > I believe comments such as "I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view" following your own cursory statements about a chart are demanding an authority over others> [sourav]: These kind of apprehensions one suffers due to looking at things too closely and take it from personal perspective. When we are discussing a chart amongst friends and students its 'okay' in my understanding to address like

this. There is no disrespect of 'bossing' or authority intended. It depends upon one's state of mind when one reads it and how one takes it internally.> My 'objection' (respectful of course) is about quickly accepting a chart and explaining away things. While any one can have 100% success rate in explaining a chart, few have high rate of success in predicting. This somewhat shows that we should be circumspect in deciding if a lagna is right or not. Thats the idea I had when i proposed Karka lagna to engage members like you into discussion. Firstly, as stated in my first message, I want to know the source and accuracy of time also. I don't have ego-related issues in trying to dominate and dismiss opinions. Also note that I can also pick up a line or two from your writing and start thinking opposite things about you. But I prefer not to as I know it is difficult to know a person from an internet message board. So lets just discuss jyotish and not become

sarcastic/judgemental. It creates wrong environment only and serves no good purpose.> where they may not be justified. Yes, this is personal, but also formal. A little reflection does no harm, please don't be offended.> > > > > If you believe that Shukra and Ketu conjoined in the first house is so important, then what do you think about them placed in the 2nd from Navamsa Lagna? Jaimini states that the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna is to be seen in the same light as Swamsa (1.2.116). Besides, Jaimini also says that this conjunction in Swamsa produces ascetism and religious leanings, one maybe initiated into a religious order (1.2.33). Dali's life is not charachterised by these things, in fact he was an exhibitionist - which brings me to my next point,> [sourav]: If 2nd house is also like swamsa then first house is also swamsa, so how you distinguish ? Sanjay-ji has taught us to see the trines to Navamsa Lagna to see the talents.

I was seeing the Navamsa lagna in this way. > > > > > AL with Mesha with exalted Surya and Shukra perfectly describes this exhibitionist behaviour, at the very least far better than the secretive and withdrawn sign of Scorpio. What makes you think he was a "sensative surrealist painter"? > [sourav]: His biographer Lozano says he is surrealist and eccentric. Please give me your opinion about his character and dominant traits so as to enable me to understand your view point.> He was outgoing and flamboyant, a seeker of attention. > [sourav]: My AL is in Mesha but I rarely fight with people or try to lead. So Arudha is based on general people's imagination and indoctrination and not the real me. > In Dali's chart, AL in Vrischika shows a sense of mysticism associated with this personality. Surya and Shukra are aspecting from Mesha onto this AL giving some colorful aspects also. Retrograde Budha and Mangal in the 7th shows

some hurdles. > So tell me which Arudha Lagna is more appropriate Mesha or Vrischika?> [sourav]: I think we should look at the Rasi and Navamsa chart with events and not AL when we are starting to judge a chart. Let us draw up a list of 5 or 7 significant events and judge either lagna accordingly with different applicable dasas.> > > > > His wife Gala was 9 years older. And what kind of dictum are you using? My wife is older than I am and I do not have Shani in 7th. My sister has Shani in the 7th and her husband is the same age as she. What do you think Surya in the 7th house in Navamsa indicates? I can see here what the great sage Jaimini says, and it does not contradict the nature of his spouse at all. They were married 47 years.> [sourav]: 9th lord Surya in Lagna in Dhanush rasi (Navamsa Chart) indicates what about wife ? I think it indicates a person who is strong in dharma. Please give me an idea about his wife's

character. What I wrote is from information culled from wikipaedia.com.> Shani in the 7th house can give an older spouse and also widow. I think his wife was a widow before marriage. In Indian context it is important. Previously marriage used to be between older man and younger woman and typically not the opposite (even today this happens in India mostly). Hence this significance of Shani in the 7th. It usually shows a mature spouse or one who has seen sorrow (widowed previously).> They married in Jan 1934 - look at the dasa's. Narayana Dasa was of Gemini, giving results of Dhanus - the 7th house. Antardasa was that of Pisces housing UL and 7th lord.> > > > He suffered from Parkinson's, Alzhimers, and late in his life was badly burned while sleeping in his bed! (look at Mars in the 12th with Mercury). > [sourav]: I am not sure what the combinations of Parkinson's disease is. It is said ( in the reference I just referred to) that his

wife was responsible for this by giving him some cocktail medicines. But this could be conjecture.> The kind of mental difficulties he faced throughout life, and which seriously came to a head in his later life are very well charachterised by Lagna Lord Mercury being in Sandhi and aspected and conjoined malefics. The alternative Paka Lagna housing Moon, Jupiter, and a beneficial Ketu in the 9th house for Karka Lagna just does not describe him at all.> [sourav]: To me retrograde Budha in deep rasi sandhi cannot show that kind of painter of that stature and fame. Budha and Mangal in the 8th from Navamsa Lagna is in the sign of Makara which is in the 8th from Rasi lagna also. With such strong 8th house in Navamsa Chart, how is such strong marriage accounted for ? Guru is the only graha in the trines to Navamsa lagna in the 9th house in Kumbha. > How do we explain 'flamboyant' painting and social career with Guru Ketu Chandra yoga in the 10th ? 10th house

is the most important house for such a personality and is governing the entire life. We should be careful about this house and judge the grahas there. Arudhas can be judged subsequently. In my understanding Guru-Ketu-Chandra yoga in Meena rasi in the 10th house is not reflective of a revolutionary modern painter. It looks more like a traditional career in law or legal field or teaching or related to dharma or spirituality. Moreover, this amounts to Hamsa Mahapurusa yoga also. Do you think he could be described as a Hamsa Mahapurusha personality.> > > > > I have to go now, though there are many more points I'd like to share. I hope you will carefully consider these.> [sourav]: Yes, please let us be respectful and kind to each other even though apparently we may see something else in each other's writings. Half the time such assumptions are wrong or undue. So let's not focus on such issues. If I didn't have sincere doubts I wouldn't have

entered discussion.> > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > Dear Michal,> > Namaskar. Comments below.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ==================================================> > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > >> > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > > > How easily you dismiss Mithuna Lagna with just your 'curious glance'. You must be very skilled. > > [sourav]: Kindly read again before making personal remarks. I said 'proposed'. When lagna is on the border, its a good idea to see both lagnas. When I do not have all the life

events with me I say 'proposed'. I just wanted to add my thought to the on-going discussions. One shouldn't be too hasty.> > Actually, Dali's attention to detail (Venus) was extra-ordinary, so the involvement of Venus is pivotal. And if karka Lagna gives a 'very sensitive' person as you describe, then how could he have bought upon himself so much torture such as depriving himself of sleep until he became completely paranoid?> > [sourav]: Do all painters paint will great details ? For each of them Shukra is important, isn't it ? Here when we are talking of Surrealists we need to understand their Manah and Paakalagna first. I 'intuitively' think Nodes are important here. Moreover, with Shukra in the Karka Navamsa Lagna, attention to details are also present and not negated.> > > > > Also, the Arudha Lagna Scorpio for Karka Lagna would have given him an excellent reputation (Jupiter and Moon in the 5th) but he and his surrealist

collegues were abused and dealt with a lot of respite from the government and public.> > [sourav]: Does AL with Mesha Lagna and exalted Surya with Shukra look like a sensitive surrealist painter or with Vrischika lagna ? > > Shani in the 3rd from Vrischika AL can give death due to sorrow also. I think Dali has/had a lot of reputation also. If we take Mithuna Lagna, 7th house is Dhanush with its lord Guru in Pisces aspecting it. Relationships would have been more harmonious that that you are indicating. With Karka Lagna, Shani is 8th lord and 7th lord also. > > Shani in the 7th gives an older wife (His wife Gala was 11 yrs older, so I gather). Moreover, she was a colorful character herself. With Mithuna Navamsa Lagna, I find Surya is in Dhanush rasi and 7th house *not* indicating that.> > Can we think of this Karka Lagna/Navamsa a bit more ?> > > > > What does Jaimini say about the 2nd bhava from Navamsa Lagna?

Couldn't Venus Ketu conjunction there give the same inherent tendencies you ascribe to finding them in Navamsa Lagna?> > > > > > Respectfully,> > > Michal> > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > > || Hare Rama Krsna ||> > > Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,> > > Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).> > > For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings

etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.> > > Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.> > > Best wishes,> > > Sourav> > > ================================================================> > > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> > > >> > > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> >

> > > > > > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > > > > > > > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.> > > > Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > > > > > > > Respectfully,> > > > Michal> > > > > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > hraum namah adityaya> > > > Dear Sarajit,> > > >

> > > > > > > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > > > > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > > > > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > > > > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > > > > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > > > > He died on

Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> > > > Regards> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > > varahamihira > > > > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM> > > > |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas,> > > > > > > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > > > > > > >

+--------------+> > > > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > > > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > | | |Md |> > > > | | | | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > > |Sa | |Gk | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > | | | |Ra HL |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | |

|> > > > | | | | | > > > > +--------------+> > > > May 11, 1904> > > > Time: 8:45:00> > > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > > > Figueras, Spain> > > > > > > > +--------------+> > > > | | |Gk |As |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | Navamsa | |> > > > |-----------|

|-----------| > > > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > > > |Ra HL | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | | > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > +--------------+> > > > > > > > +--------------+> > > > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > > > |AL | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > >

|GL | |Ma MeR | > > > > | | |Ra HL |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | Drekkana | |> > > > |-----------| |-----------| > > > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | |> > > > | | | | > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > > |As | | |Sa |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | |> > > > | | | | | > > > > | | | | |> > > > +--------------+> > > > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Rafal,

 

1. I got the data from astro databank with AA rating, hence data is

likely to be correct. However, there is still scope for rectification.

 

2. Maharishi says that the results from Swamsa can be seen from the

AL, so Venus in AL can give artistic career. However, how it can be

explained, that he had the abilities from a very young age? Should not

there be some connections with the AK or at least lagnamsa.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

On 8/14/06, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

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>

hraum namah adityaya

> Dear Sarajit,

>

>

> If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL

is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord

in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK

is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth).

> Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this

become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN).

> Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali)

and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world.

> In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L

in 4H.

> He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL

and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme).

> He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is

aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not

listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.

> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz

>

>

>

>

>

> -

> Sarajit Poddar

> varahamihira

> Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM

> |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali

>

>

>

>

> Dear Jyotishas,

>

> Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.

>

> Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.

>

> +--------------+

> |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |

> |Ke GL |AL | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Md |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> |Sa | |Gk |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | | |Ra HL |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

> May 11, 1904

> Time: 8:45:00

> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 "

> Figueras, Spain

>

> +--------------+

> | | |Gk |As |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | Navamsa | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |

> |Ra HL | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |

> |AL | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |GL | |Ma MeR |

> | | |Ra HL |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | Drekkana | |

> |-----------| |-----------|

> |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |As | | |Sa |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Michal,Classics say that equipments one weilds can be seen from the 3rd from the Swamsa. However from the 3rd of Lagna, we can see about siblings and courage. Even if I take your statement that 3rd lord exaltation can give him abilities with his hand, then why not something else... why a paintbrush! some questions to ponder.

Your explanation on the surrealistic art is interesting.Best WishesSarajitOn 8/14/06, Michal Dziwulski <

nearmichal wrote:

 

 

 

 

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sarajit, Rafal,A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.

Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Rafal Gendarz <

starsuponme wrote:

hraum namah adityaya Dear Sarajit, If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth).

Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN).

Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world.

In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme

). He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two

malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL. Regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

Sarajit

Poddar

varahamihira Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM

|Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali

Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are

the indications which show him to be an artist.+--------------+

|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As ||Ke GL |AL | | |

| | | | |

| | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Md || | | | | | | |

| | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------|

|Sa | |Gk | | | | || | | |

| | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | | |Ra HL || | | | |

| | | | |

| | | | || | | | |

+--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 " Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke | | | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------| |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | |

| | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa |

| | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su ||AL | | | | | | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR | | | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------| |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | | |-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | | | | | | |+--------------+

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Sourav,The source is astrodatabank. Here is the linkhttp://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/DaliSalvador.htmFor those who need the biography, here it is-

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *BiographySpanish surrealist painter, original and eccentric, truly one of a kind. He imbued his life with the fertile imagination that he displayed in his art.

The son of a notary, Dali was given the same name as a brother who died at the age of 21 months, nine months and ten days before Salvador's birth. He was given his dead brother's clothes to wear and his toys to play with and reminded that he would never replace the lost sibling. Dali came to believe that he was the reincarnation of this older brother.

From the time he was a toddler Dali was scratching out drawings. He had the first exhibition of his paintings at age 14 in the municipal theater of his home town, Figueras, Spain. Another exhibit followed six months later, bringing critical praise of his talent. His behavior was not socially acceptable, however, and he often attacked other kids in school. Although his teachers found him impossible to deal with, his parents encouraged his attention-getting behavior and approved his narcissism. By the time he was in junior school he was bizarre in his dress and manner as he was in his behavior. At 16, he lost his mother who had adored and indulged him. His dad was already involved with his mother's sister, who lived with the family. They later married but Dali never accepted the situation.

After he was expelled from school, his dad allowed him in 1922 to enroll in the Madrid School of Fine Art. Initially a model student, he soon regarded his contemporaries and tutors both as inferiors. His shyness and fears almost crippled him. Terrified of everything, he was afraid to cross the street by himself and was completely unable to face the challenge of public transportation. He could not buy new shoes because of his phobia about exposing his feet, and he carried talismans to ward off evil spirits. He was expelled twice from the art academy, first in 1924 when he was suspected of rousing his fellow students to revolt, and again a year later for refusing to take an exam. He never obtained his diploma.

While in Madrid, Dali belonged to a group of young Spanish intellectuals and wrote essays, poems, critical analyses and stories as well as painting. He formed two genuine friendships that lasted his lifetime; the wealthy and gifted poet Federico Garcia Lorca and the future filmmaker Luis Buñuel, with whom he made two surrealistic films. Dali's closeness with the handsome young Lorca was shadowed only by the fact that the homosexual poet wanted a more intimate relationship than the virginal and avowedly heterosexual Dali was willing to explore. (Some accounts state that they had an ill-fated and brief affair.)

Dali's early canvasses depict the landscape of the Costa Brava, particularly the streets and harbor of Cadaqués and the nearby fishing village of Port Lligat which were to become lifetime themes. In 1927-28 he produced his first dreamscape which would define his ability to transform the world of outer images to reflect his inner world of fantasy and dreams. His 1929 Paris exhibition featured surrealistic, dream-like landscapes and weird images that were gripping and notable. With a personality that was as different as his work, he claimed that he could remember his prenatal experiences and the terrible trauma of birth.

He produced many of his legendary pieces between 1929 and 1939. Dali's picture appeared on the cover of " Time " magazine in 1936 when he was 32 years old. His long, thin mustache waxed into bizarre shapes became a defining image. He traveled around the world with the jet-set crowd, living in the U.S after 1940 and in Spain in his later years. His painting began incorporating a growing fascination with history, religion, and science, some on huge canvasses, and his flair for antics helped gain an international reputation as a talented, witty showman whose often outrageous statements could enchant and sometimes offend his audience. He reportedly once told a woman that he enjoyed eating dates for dessert because his then-sticky fingers could wax his mustache, enabling it to stand erect. When she inquired whether the practice attracted flies, he responded " My most paradisiac moment is when I am lying naked in the sun covered with flies like a piece of carrion. " He went on to differentiate between good flies and bad, announcing that dirty flies " have bellies bulging with mayonnaise. "

Throughout his young adult years, Dali suffered bouts of severe hallucinations and hysteria because he could not find a suitable partner prepared to act out his erotic fantasies. Though his imagination had no boundaries, he found the physical sexual act repellent, and later in life was said to have indulged in auto-eroticism and voyeurism. In 1929 he met Gala*, a Russian woman who left her native country shortly after the beginning of the Revolution. He was dazzled from the moment of their meeting and so besotted that for their second meeting he designed a special " Dali uniform " that included clothing cut to shreds, blood-stained armpits and knees and a noxious smell that he created by mixing fish glue and goat manure. Gala was enchanted. The summer after they met, she and her husband, the French poet Paul Eluard and their nine-year old daughter visited Dali in Spain. The poet and his daughter left alone. Dali married Gala, nine years his senior, in 1934, a marriage that lasted 47 years. She is credited with aggressively taking charge, providing him the tranquil and disciplined framework that allowed him to mature as an artist. She was the love of his life, a combination mother-manager-model. She appeared in many of Dali's later works.

Through his own carelessness, a proliferation of fake paintings attributed to him flooded the art market in the 1970s and 1980s. His marriage was not without reports of quarrels, and Gala began spending much of her time in her own country house where Dali could not go without a written invitation. When Gala died in 1982 at the age of 87, Dali went to pieces. He moved into her home, became a recluse and stopped eating. He dwindled to 98 pounds and, seemingly determined to die, was badly burned when his bed caught on fire. On the verge of insanity, he believed himself unable to stand or swallow and suffered from severe malnutrition. He developed Parkinson's disease and, for the last eight years of his life, suffered the mental deterioration that is symptomatic of Alzheimer's disease.

He rebounded briefly when there was a worldwide fuss over his 80th birthday in 1984. The last passion of his life was the museum Teatro-Museo Dali, the very same but transformed theater where he held his first exhibit at age 14. Dali died on January 23, 1989, at 10:15 AM, in Figueras, Spain.

(*Gala - or Helena Dimitrijewna Djakonowa - is said to have been born on September 7, 1894.)* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Best WishesSarajitOn 8/14/06, Sourav <souravc108 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Sarajit, Rafal and Michal,

Namaskar. First of all I am not sure if the birth time is correct (which source) and also the fact that Jhora shows 2 hrs time shift for the birth place. If the chart is more or less correct, I would like to propose to look at the chart of Dali with a time shift of 1.5 mins to get Karka Lagna and Karka Navamsa. (Mithuna lagna seems very weak as lagnesh is in rasi sandhi afflicted by retrograde Mangal would have made him a very aggressive person).

For a surrealist, Shukra (who has attention to details in paintings etc) is not the most important graha. It's the nodes which tries to break free from the boundaries of tradition. Vargottama Karka lagna gives a very sensitive person with high degree of fluidity in imagination. Ketu is in moolatrikona in Pakalagna. This also gives Ketu-Shukra in the Navamsa Lagna giving such tendencies. Also check Dasamsa with so many grahas in Anantaamsa fits this personality.

 

Anyway, I do not have all the event details and was glancing at the messages in this group and felt curious. I think you should look at the chart with a fresh view.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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varahamihira , Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sarajit, Rafal,> > A few thoughts. 3rd lord rules ability and hands, here is exalted and conjoined Venus, so visual arts and paint brush would be the tool that is used. Dali is known as a surrealist and one of his means was to deprive himself of sleep. Lagna Lord Mercury is in the 12th house ruling sleep and is afflicted by many malefics thus disturbing the same. The parivartana links Venus with this disturbed Mercury and the result is the art he produced.

> Would Gajakeshari linked to UL give fame after marriage do you think?> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]>

> Rafal Gendarz starsuponme wrote: > hraum namah adityaya> Dear Sarajit,> > > If that chart is right (Cancer option with Shukra in tenth and Shukra in NL is also suspectible) then we can find Yogas as written under: (Eleventh lord in D-3 is aspected by three malefics(also Marakas to eleventh bhava) and BK is in twelfth bhava as His elder brother die prior to His birth). > Shukra in AL beside giving poet (BHPS) also gives artistic talents. As this become his Karma Yoga we see the sama planet in third in D-3 (JN). > Lagna is Vargotam aspected by forth planets giving Him rise (BHPS/Saravali) and Gajakesari in tenth will give Him overall fame around the world. > In 1922 yr he change residence to Madrid as 4H from ND rasi has Rahu as 9L in 4H. > He get the fame Melting Clocks drawing 1931. It was Capricorn dasa with GL and Shani in 10 from AL and as AK-period yuti (Rise in ND scheme). > He died on Heart-failure(ra/ke - shock/incident) in 1989 Virgo-Shoola is aspected by two malefics, there is Guru-drsti but sign yuti Rahu will not listen to it. Its kona to Rudra and aspects 3 from AL.> Regards

> Rafal Gendarz> > > > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Sunday, August 13, 2006 1:55 PM

> |Sri Varaha| Horoscope of Salvador Dali> > > Dear Jyotishas,> > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.

> > +--------------+> |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> |Ke GL |AL | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Md |> | | | | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> |Sa | |Gk | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > | | | |Ra HL |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > +--------------+> May 11, 1904> Time: 8:45:00> Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 " > Figueras, Spain> > +--------------+> | | |Gk |As |> | | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |

> | | | | |> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Ju Md | |Ve Ke | > | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Navamsa | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |

> |Ra HL | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |

> +--------------+> > +--------------+> |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> |AL | | | | > | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |GL | |Ma MeR | > | | |Ra HL |> | | | |> | | | |> | | Drekkana | |> |-----------| |-----------| > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |

> | | | |> | | | |> | | | |> | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> |As | | |Sa |> | | | | |> | | | | |> | | | | | > | | | | |

> +--------------+> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > > > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out.>

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Sanjay,The skills one uses can be known from the Partivtittitraya Drekkana. Usually the skills signified by the planets in the kendra are the ones one is born with and the ones in trines, are the ones which one acquires with time.

Best WishesSarajitOn 8/15/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sanjaychettiar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Sarajit, You have given Parivrittitraya Dreshkaana, Can you please educate more on the usage of it. -Warm RegardsSanjay P

On 8/13/06,

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Jyotishas,Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.

+--------------+|Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |

|Ke GL |AL | | || | | | |

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| | |Md || | | |

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|-----------| Rasi |-----------||Sa | |Gk |

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| | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | | |Ra HL |

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+--------------+ May 11, 1904Time: 8:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 2 E 58' 00 " , 42 N 16' 00 " Figueras, Spain+--------------+| | |Gk |As || | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ju Md | |Ve Ke |

| | | || | | || | | || | Navamsa | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Ma MeR | D-9 |AL ||Ra HL | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Su | |GL |Mo Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------++--------------+|Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |

|AL | | | |

| | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||GL | |Ma MeR |

| | |Ra HL || | | || | | || | Drekkana | ||-----------| |-----------|

|Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | || | | || | | || | | || | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------||As | | |Sa || | | | || | | | || | | | |

| | | | |+--------------+Best WishesSarajit

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Sarajit-ji, Michal, Rafal and Others,

Namaskar. I am writing after a break. I am trying to apply Pt. Jagannath Raths Punya Gochara Rule in Dali's chart as per Sanjay-ji's lecture in the Delhi Conference 2006. The rules are as follows:

Pt. Jagannath Rath's Punya Gochara Rules:

 

Shani is trines to the stronger of AL or its 7th house.

Surya is in trines to stronger between A8 or 7th from it.

If adverse dasa is not running, death will not come.

Determine the most evil planet associated with the 5th lord or the 5th bhava. Ideally its 5th lord's association not 5th bhava's. That planet will rule the tithi.

Determine the weaker between the AL and 7th from it. The lagna at the time of death will be trines to it.

At the time of Dali's passing away (January 23, 1989, at 10:15 AM, in Figueras, Spain):

 

Shani was in Dhanush rasi.

Surya was in Makara rasi.

Tithi was Krishna Dwitia, ruled by Chandra.

Day was Monday.

Lagna was in Kumbha rasi.

 

A. With Mithuna Lagna in birth chart:

 

AL is stronger with two grahas and Shani at the time of death is in trines to AL. 7th from A8 is stronger but Surya is not in trines to that. 5th lord is Shukra and in association with Surya but the tithi is not ruled by grahas in association with Shukra. 7th from AL is weaker and Punya Ascendant is Kumbha in trines. So two of the rules are not in agreement.

 

B. With Karka lagna in the birth chart:

 

Three rules are not working only rule about the Tithi works.

 

C. With Simha lagna in the birth chart:

 

AL and A8 are in Dhanush and is stronger that its 7th being aspected by its own lord Guru. Shani is in trines to AL at death. Surya is not in trines to A8. 5th lord is associated with lord of tithi. Kumbha lagna is trines to weaker of AL or its 7th (here Mithuna). So only one rule is not in agreement.

 

D. With Vrisabha Lagna in the birth chart:

 

None of the rules are working.

 

So notably, the rule 2 about Surya being in trines to stronger of A8 or 7th from it is not working in any of the cases. I solicit comments about this.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sourav

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varahamihira , "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit.poddar wrote:>> || Jaya Jagannath ||> Dear Sanjay,> > The skills one uses can be known from the Partivtittitraya Drekkana. Usually> the skills signified by the planets in the kendra are the ones one is born> with and the ones in trines, are the ones which one acquires with time.> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > On 8/15/06, Sanjay Prabhakaran sanjaychettiar wrote:> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Dear Sarajit,> > You have given Parivrittitraya Dreshkaana, Can you please educate more on> > the usage of it.> > -Warm Regards> > Sanjay P> >> >> >> > On 8/13/06, Sarajit Poddar sarajit.poddar wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyotishas,> > >> > > Here is a horoscope of an artist, Salvador Dali.> > >> > > Can anyone tell what are the indications which show him to be an artist.> > >> > > +--------------+> > > |Mo Ju |Su Ve |Ma MeR |As |> > > |Ke GL |AL | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > | | |Md |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------| Rasi |-----------|> > > |Sa | |Gk |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > | | | |Ra HL |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > > May 11, 1904> > > Time: 8:45:00> > > Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > Place: 2 E 58' 00", 42 N 16' 00"> > > Figueras, Spain> > >> > > +--------------+> > > | | |Gk |As |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Ju Md | |Ve Ke |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | Navamsa | |> > > |-----------| |-----------|> > > |Ma MeR | D-9 |AL |> > > |Ra HL | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |Su | |GL |Mo Sa |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > >> > > +--------------+> > > |Ju Md |Gk |Ve |Su |> > > |AL | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |GL | |Ma MeR |> > > | | |Ra HL |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | Drekkana | |> > > |-----------| |-----------|> > > |Mo Ke | D-3 (Pv) | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > | | | |> > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|> > > |As | | |Sa |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > | | | | |> > > +--------------+> > >> > > Best Wishes> > > Sarajit> > >> >> > > >>

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