Guest guest Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Dear Group, Hare Rama Krsna I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house. Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house. I will truely value commnets. sincerely kamal PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Kamal, Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm RegardsSanjay POn 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions > wrote: Dear Group, Hare Rama Krsna I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house. Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house. I will truely value commnets. sincerely kamal PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar In one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava. I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by sixth bhavas, and then from this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa.com Sanjay Prabhakaran napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Kamal,  Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions@ .co. uk > wrote: Dear Group,  Hare Rama Krsna  I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house.  Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars.  My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book  Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house.  I will truely value commnets.  sincerely  kamal  PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Kamal ji and Rafal ji, Namaskar Though I am kid in astrology I would like to go with the opinion of Sanjay ji. Mars is Karaka for 6th According to our Light of Vedic Astrology BPHS, though Sani had been taken karaka for 6th house in Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc. According to BPHS guru vyasa had taken only one graha as karaka for each house if I am not wrong. Please find the below article on optus.net which shows that the both karaka grahas are correct depending on situation. BHAVAKARAKA Bhavakaraka is the significator of a house.Bhavakarakas are of two kinds: Permanent (Nitya) and Temporary (Anitya) Nitya (Permanent) bhavakarakas:The permanent significators for the twelve houses are fixed for all charts. Hence the name Nitya indicating 'permanent'. These are: 1st house: Sun 2nd: Jupiter 3rd: Mars 4th: Moon, Mercury 5th: Jupiter 6th: Mars, Saturn 7th: Venus 8th: Saturn 9th: Sun, Jupiter 10th: Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter 11th: Jupiter 12th: Saturn Though the above list is supported by standard works such as Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc, Parasara mentions only one planet as the significator for a house. According to the BPHS only Moon is considered for the 4th house, Mars for the 6th, Jupiter for the ninth and Mercury for the tenth. Who is correct? Depending on the context both versions are correct. For instance Mars is the significator for the sixth if one is referring to enemies. But for other general indications Saturn is also appropriate. Anitya (Temporary) bhavakarakas: As already stated a temporary significator of a bhava (house) is a planet that acquires the power to signify matters governed by that house by virtue of its lordship, position, aspects etc in the chart under question. So the lord of the second house, planets in the second house and planets aspecting, all these become the bhavakarakas for the second house in a particular chart. Source: http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/skinbags/id45.htm Regards, Upendra On 12 Apr 2007 00:24:04 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Dear Sanjay P, NamaskarIn one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava.I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by sixth bhavas, and thenfrom this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.comSanjay Prabhakaran napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Kamal, Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm RegardsSanjay P On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions@ .co. uk > wrote: Dear Group, Hare Rama Krsna I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house. Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house. I will truely value commnets. sincerely kamal PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. -- Regards,------------------------ Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Upendra, I found no strong arguments in Your mail. Sani shows weakness, so the weakness make that You must fight, it was the first error of the soul and now we must protect ourselves in this bhuloka (mangal) so just ask Yourself what was first enemy or weakness. Beside this Sanjayji said Sani is the primary, so we should take it in this manner. Regards Rafal Gendarz Upendra Agnihotram napisał(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah ||  Respected Kamal ji and Rafal ji, Namaskar  Though I am kid in astrology I would like to go with the opinion of Sanjay ji. Mars is Karaka for 6th According to our Light of Vedic Astrology BPHS, though Sani had been taken karaka for 6th house in Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc.  According to BPHS guru vyasa had taken only one graha as karaka for each house if I am not wrong.  Please find the below article on optus.net which shows that the both karaka grahas are correct depending on situation.  BHAVAKARAKA Bhavakaraka is the significator of a house.Bhavakarakas are of two kinds: Permanent (Nitya) and Temporary (Anitya) Nitya (Permanent) bhavakarakas: The permanent significators for the twelve houses are fixed for all charts. Hence the name Nitya indicating 'permanent'. These are: 1st house: Sun 2nd: Jupiter 3rd: Mars 4th: Moon, Mercury 5th: Jupiter 6th: Mars, Saturn 7th: Venus 8th: Saturn 9th: Sun, Jupiter 10th: Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter 11th: Jupiter 12th: Saturn Though the above list is supported by standard works such as Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc, Parasara mentions only one planet as the significator for a house. According to the BPHS only Moon is considered for the 4th house, Mars for the 6th, Jupiter for the ninth and Mercury for the tenth. Who is correct? Depending on the context both versions are correct. For instance Mars is the significator for the sixth if one is referring to enemies. But for other general indications Saturn is also appropriate. Anitya (Temporary) bhavakarakas: As already stated a temporary significator of a bhava (house) is a planet that acquires the power to signify matters governed by that house by virtue of its lordship, position, aspects etc in the chart under question. So the lord of the second house, planets in the second house and planets aspecting, all these become the bhavakarakas for the second house in a particular chart. Source: http://www.members. optusnet. com.au/skinbags/ id45.htm  Regards, Upendra    On 12 Apr 2007 00:24:04 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar In one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava. I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by sixth bhavas, and then from this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa. com Sanjay Prabhakaran napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Kamal,  Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions@ .co. uk > wrote: Dear Group,  Hare Rama Krsna  I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house.  Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars.  My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book  Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house.  I will truely value commnets.  sincerely  kamal  PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies.  -- Regards, ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 |OM GURAVE NAMAH| Here an excerpt from Guruji's website from the article titled 'Path of the Karaka'. The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work. http://srath.com/mantra/index.php?blog=4 Regards Supriti varahamihira , " Upendra Agnihotram " <upendra.agni wrote: > > || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || > > Respected Kamal ji and Rafal ji, Namaskar > > Though I am kid in astrology I would like to go with the opinion of Sanjay > ji. Mars is Karaka for 6th According to our *Light of Vedic Astrology* BPHS, > though Sani had been taken karaka for 6th house in Phala Deepika, Sarvartha > Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc. > > According to BPHS guru vyasa had taken only one graha as karaka for each > house if I am not wrong. > > Please find the below article on optus.net which shows that the both karaka > grahas are correct depending on situation. > > BHAVAKARAKA > > Bhavakaraka is the significator of a house.Bhavakarakas are of two kinds: > Permanent (Nitya) and Temporary (Anitya) > > Nitya (Permanent) bhavakarakas:The permanent significators for the twelve > houses are fixed for all charts. Hence the name Nitya indicating > 'permanent'. These are: > > 1st house: Sun > 2nd: Jupiter > 3rd: Mars > 4th: Moon, Mercury > 5th: Jupiter > 6th: Mars, Saturn > 7th: Venus > 8th: Saturn > 9th: Sun, Jupiter > 10th: Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter > 11th: Jupiter > 12th: Saturn > > Though the above list is supported by standard works such as Phala Deepika, > Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc, Parasara mentions only one planet > as the significator for a house. *According to the BPHS only Moon is > considered for the 4th house, Mars for the 6th, Jupiter for the ninth and > Mercury for the tenth. Who is correct? Depending on the context both > versions are correct. For instance Mars is the significator for the sixth if > one is referring to enemies. But for other general indications Saturn is > also appropriate.* > > Anitya (Temporary) bhavakarakas: As already stated a temporary significator > of a bhava (house) is a planet that acquires the power to signify matters > governed by that house by virtue of its lordship, position, aspects etc in > the chart under question. So the lord of the second house, planets in the > second house and planets aspecting, all these become the bhavakarakas for > the second house in a particular chart. > Source: http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/skinbags/id45.htm > > Regards, > Upendra > > > > On 12 Apr 2007 00:24:04 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > > Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar > > In one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava. > > I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by > > sixth bhavas, and then > > from this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford > > Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > Sanjay Prabhakaran napisał(a): > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Kamal, > > Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is > > teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary > > kaaraka. > > Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a > > secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other > > texts. > > Warm Regards > > Sanjay P > > > > > > > > On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, *SIGHTSOLUTION* <sightsolutions@ .co. > > uk <sightsolutions> wrote: > > > > Dear Group, > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the > > karaka planet for VI house. > > > > Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. > > > > My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka > > planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of > > house. > > > > I will truely value commnets. > > > > sincerely > > > > kamal > > > > *PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have > > asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > ------------------------ > Upendra Agnihotram. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 || Om Girave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Dear Rafal, I do not agree with " Sani shows weakness " - that too without any conditionality? Can you please quote any classic reference? Supriti has already provided quote from Sanjay ji [saturn showing the path of sheer hard work] - that is totally opposed to " weakness " . Ofcourse, rasi/ dignity, and conjunction/ aspects will also make a difference. Regards, - Shailesh. On 12 Apr 2007 18:56:06 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Dear Upendra,I found no strong arguments in Your mail. Sani shows weakness, so the weakness make that You must fight, it was the first error of the soul and now we must protect ourselves in this bhuloka (mangal) so just ask Yourself what was first enemy or weakness. Beside this Sanjayji said Sani is the primary, so we should take it in this manner. RegardsRafal GendarzUpendra Agnihotram napisa³(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Kamal ji and Rafal ji, Namaskar Though I am kid in astrology I would like to go with the opinion of Sanjay ji. Mars is Karaka for 6th According to our Light of Vedic Astrology BPHS, though Sani had been taken karaka for 6th house in Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc. According to BPHS guru vyasa had taken only one graha as karaka for each house if I am not wrong. Please find the below article on optus.net which shows that the both karaka grahas are correct depending on situation. BHAVAKARAKA Bhavakaraka is the significator of a house.Bhavakarakas are of two kinds: Permanent (Nitya) and Temporary (Anitya) Nitya (Permanent) bhavakarakas: The permanent significators for the twelve houses are fixed for all charts. Hence the name Nitya indicating 'permanent'. These are: 1st house: Sun 2nd: Jupiter 3rd: Mars 4th: Moon, Mercury 5th: Jupiter 6th: Mars, Saturn 7th: Venus 8th: Saturn 9th: Sun, Jupiter 10th: Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter 11th: Jupiter 12th: Saturn Though the above list is supported by standard works such as Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc, Parasara mentions only one planet as the significator for a house. According to the BPHS only Moon is considered for the 4th house, Mars for the 6th, Jupiter for the ninth and Mercury for the tenth. Who is correct? Depending on the context both versions are correct. For instance Mars is the significator for the sixth if one is referring to enemies. But for other general indications Saturn is also appropriate. Anitya (Temporary) bhavakarakas: As already stated a temporary significator of a bhava (house) is a planet that acquires the power to signify matters governed by that house by virtue of its lordship, position, aspects etc in the chart under question. So the lord of the second house, planets in the second house and planets aspecting, all these become the bhavakarakas for the second house in a particular chart. Source: http://www.members. optusnet. com.au/skinbags/ id45.htm Regards, Upendra On 12 Apr 2007 00:24:04 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: Dear Sanjay P, NamaskarIn one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava.I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by sixth bhavas, and thenfrom this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa. comSanjay Prabhakaran napisa³(a): || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Kamal, Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm RegardsSanjay P On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions@ .co. uk > wrote: Dear Group, Hare Rama Krsna I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house. Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house. I will truely value commnets. sincerely kamal PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. -- Regards,------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Upendra Agnihotram. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 - Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.- Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+ Dear Shaileshji, Namaskar There is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa.com Shailesh Chadha napisa³(a): || Om Girave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Dear Rafal, I do not agree with "Sani shows weakness" - that too without any conditionality? Can you please quote any classic reference? Supriti has already provided quote from Sanjay ji [saturn showing the path of sheer hard work] - that is totally opposed to "weakness". Ofcourse, rasi/ dignity, and conjunction/ aspects will also make a difference. Regards, - Shailesh. On 12 Apr 2007 18:56:06 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: Dear Upendra, I found no strong arguments in Your mail. Sani shows weakness, so the weakness make that You must fight, it was the first error of the soul and now we must protect ourselves in this bhuloka (mangal) so just ask Yourself what was first enemy or weakness. Beside this Sanjayji said Sani is the primary, so we should take it in this manner. Regards Rafal Gendarz Upendra Agnihotram napisa³(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Kamal ji and Rafal ji, Namaskar Though I am kid in astrology I would like to go with the opinion of Sanjay ji. Mars is Karaka for 6th According to our Light of Vedic Astrology BPHS, though Sani had been taken karaka for 6th house in Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc. According to BPHS guru vyasa had taken only one graha as karaka for each house if I am not wrong. Please find the below article on optus.net which shows that the both karaka grahas are correct depending on situation. BHAVAKARAKA Bhavakaraka is the significator of a house.Bhavakarakas are of two kinds: Permanent (Nitya) and Temporary (Anitya) Nitya (Permanent) bhavakarakas: The permanent significators for the twelve houses are fixed for all charts. Hence the name Nitya indicating 'permanent'. These are: 1st house: Sun 2nd: Jupiter 3rd: Mars 4th: Moon, Mercury 5th: Jupiter 6th: Mars, Saturn 7th: Venus 8th: Saturn 9th: Sun, Jupiter 10th: Sun, Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter 11th: Jupiter 12th: Saturn Though the above list is supported by standard works such as Phala Deepika, Sarvartha Chintamani, Jataka Parijata etc, Parasara mentions only one planet as the significator for a house. According to the BPHS only Moon is considered for the 4th house, Mars for the 6th, Jupiter for the ninth and Mercury for the tenth. Who is correct? Depending on the context both versions are correct. For instance Mars is the significator for the sixth if one is referring to enemies. But for other general indications Saturn is also appropriate. Anitya (Temporary) bhavakarakas: As already stated a temporary significator of a bhava (house) is a planet that acquires the power to signify matters governed by that house by virtue of its lordship, position, aspects etc in the chart under question. So the lord of the second house, planets in the second house and planets aspecting, all these become the bhavakarakas for the second house in a particular chart. Source: http://www.members. optusnet. com.au/skinbags/ id45.htm Regards, Upendra On 12 Apr 2007 00:24:04 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: Dear Sanjay P, Namaskar In one lecture Sanjayji mentioned Sani as karak for the sixth bhava. I regret I forget which one it was. Shadripu is weakness significated by sixth bhavas, and then from this come enemies - not the opposite - so Sani is primary, thereford Lord Shiva is perscribed for bad Yoga's in that bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa. com Sanjay Prabhakaran napisa³(a): || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Kamal, Refer Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra when in doubt. What Narasimha is teaching is from BPHS. What Maharishi Parashara gives I take as primary kaaraka. Also each bhava can have secondary kaaraka's. So that way Saturn is also a secondary kaaraka. These you can refer from Jataka Parijaata, CoVA or other texts. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 11 Apr 2007 10:01:12 -0700, SIGHTSOLUTION <sightsolutions@ .co. uk > wrote: Dear Group, Hare Rama Krsna I was reading Books by VPR and Visti Larsen and found discrepancy in the karaka planet for VI house. Visti says Saturn and PVR says Mars. My logic says is it should be Saturn as in Visti's book Saturn is Karaka planet for house VI VIII and XII which are all from the same family of house. I will truely value commnets. sincerely kamal PS Since I have joined the group I hardly recieve any emails. If I have asked an inappropraite question pleae accept my appologies. -- Regards, ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Upendra Agnihotram. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA Tel:+91 40-27733478( O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 ____________ _________ _________ ____ - Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ____________ _________ _________ __ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Shaileshji, It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara. If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+ Dear Shaileshji, Namaskar There is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA Tel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 - Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. . -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Anna, Yes, your point about Jupiter should be seen in D3(Jn) - if one gets the fruits easily in life. Sixth bhava is the maraka to the moksa (12) and mantra (5) and its the weakness of the soul (sa) which hates the spiritulity (surya) and knowledge (jupiter). Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 A.R. napisał(a): Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+ Dear Shaileshji, Namaskar There is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus- kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa. com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA Tel:+91 40-27733478( O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 ____________ _________ _________ ____- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ____________ _________ _________ __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Anna, How do you account for the fact that Einstein was renowned for his capacity of hard work. This also applies for many other people who are/were at the top. Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar Rath http://sarbani.com A.R. [bonamente108] Friday, April 13, 2007 8:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Rafal ji, Just now it was happened to read Guru Sanjay Rath's Article " Path of Karaka " . Source: http://srath.com/mantra/index.php?blog=4 The excerpt for VI house had been given as below. The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work.In this article he never stated Who is the primary karaka for VI. Infact the hidden meaning of the above sentence for me states even Sanjay Rath feels Mars as primary karaka for 6th house psychologically as he described Mars first and Saturn later. And also in COVA on Page 204 in the first paragraph of Chapter IX on Sixth house, he had clearly mentioned that the natural significator is Mars. See the below excerpt from COVA on 6th House. The natural Significator for enemies,bad work,boils,cuts and injuries is Mars while that for service agriculture,toil,servants and physical pain and weakness is saturn Again I would like to say I am a kid in astrology and not good as the others who started and replied this thread. So forgive me as a kid if I am doing wrong. Regards, Upendra On 13 Apr 2007 07:42:35 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hare rama krsnaDear Shaileshji,It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara. If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisaÅ‚(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ -- Regards,------------------------ Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Upendra,    Yes..in the one of last lecture, Sanjayji talk about every bhava and primary karaka, for shatrubhava He says Shani and its the same what Vistiji taught me and what my logic is accepting. This also becomes clearer when You will learn about the remedy for curses, when the lord and planet is not helping then You will take help from the bhavakaraka and in the sixth lord its lord siva - the same Devata which helps the eight and the twelfth. While for the third its Prajaapati. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Upendra Agnihotram napisaÅ‚(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah ||  Respected Rafal ji,  Just now it was happened to read Guru Sanjay Rath's Article "Path of Karaka".  Source: http://srath. com/mantra/ index.php? blog=4  The excerpt for VI house had been given as below.  The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work. In this article he never stated Who is the primary karaka for VI. Infact the hidden meaning of the above sentence for me states even Sanjay Rath feels Mars as primary karaka for 6th house psychologically as he described Mars first and Saturn later.  And also in COVA on Page 204 in the first paragraph of Chapter IX on Sixth house, he had clearly mentioned that the natural significator is Mars. See the below excerpt from COVA on 6th House.  The natural Significator for enemies,bad work,boils,cuts and injuries is Mars while that for service agriculture, toil,servants and physical pain and weakness is saturn  Again I would like to say I am a kid in astrology and not good as the others who started and replied this thread. So forgive me as a kid if I am doing wrong.  Regards, Upendra   On 13 Apr 2007 07:42:35 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Shaileshji, It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara . If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa. com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisaÅ‚(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya ||  Namaste Rafal,  Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness.  Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork.  But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house?  And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house.  Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus.  Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator.  No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings.    Regards,  - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl > wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+ Dear Shaileshji, Namaskar There is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus- kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa. com  Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA Tel:+91 40-27733478( O);27737779 ®       (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 ____________ _________ _________ ____- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ____________ _________ _________ __ -- Regards, ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Dear Sarbani, Thanks for misunderstanding/pointing out this important distinction I missed to mention. I meant 'labour' manual, repetitive etc...work- when we say Einstein, Tesla, many professionals are 'hard working' I tend to see that as passion, self-improvement, readiness to put much effort in what one believes in, loves, NOT JUST work out of necessity, which Sa signification of SIXTH house implies/needless to say, this is my view/- Saturn as dusthanas significator, signifies /sheer/ hard labour for /sheer/ sustenance, perhaps overpowering Ju significations. You may have noticed by now, that I do recognize significant role of Saturn in giving structure, persistence, ambition, in all high-achiever cases /when the chart indicates good reasoning, good education, good intelligence etc/ How would anybody achieve higher education, professional status without 'hard work'? But that's not the Saturn's story/side, we've talked about so far in this thread. Regards, AnnaSarbani Sarkar Rath <sarbani wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Anna, How do you account for the fact that Einstein was renowned for his capacity of hard work. This also applies for many other people who are/were at the top. Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar Rath http://sarbani.com A.R. [bonamente108] Friday, April 13, 2007 8:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. . -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 PS: For Einstein's 'hard work' /and type of work, for that matter/I would rather look at Rahu/Mars conjunction /obsession, passion, excessive determination..-Vijaya Yoga Robert Koch once shared his perception that PhD education goes with Mars/Rahu- so far I'd agree. "A.R." <bonamente108 wrote: Dear Sarbani, Thanks for misunderstanding/pointing out this important distinction I missed to mention. I meant 'labour' manual, repetitive etc...work- when we say Einstein, Tesla, many professionals are 'hard working' I tend to see that as passion, self-improvement, readiness to put much effort in what one believes in, loves, NOT JUST work out of necessity, which Sa signification of SIXTH house implies/needless to say, this is my view/- Saturn as dusthanas significator, signifies /sheer/ hard labour for /sheer/ sustenance, perhaps overpowering Ju significations. You may have noticed by now, that I do recognize significant role of Saturn in giving structure, persistence, ambition, in all high-achiever cases /when the chart indicates good reasoning, good education, good intelligence etc/ How would anybody achieve higher education, professional status without 'hard work'? But that's not the Saturn's story/side, we've talked about so far in this thread. Regards, AnnaSarbani Sarkar Rath <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Anna, How do you account for the fact that Einstein was renowned for his capacity of hard work. This also applies for many other people who are/were at the top. Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar Rath http://sarbani.com A.R. [bonamente108] Friday, April 13, 2007 8:10 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. . -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Sorry, but once again, I disagree. I have highest regard for Sanjay ji's teachings - he is my direct Guru in this parampara - and he tells us to fall back to BPHS when in doubt. If you do value Sanjay jis teaching more than 'some sastra', please remember that Sanjay ji has always held that no teacher is above BPHS. I would like to repeat that if our, our our Guru's line of argument/ thinking leads us to any conclusion that is contrary to BPHS, then we SHOULD conclude that we are missing some clue. It would be dishonest on our part to selectively, and subjectively, qoute 'some sastra' when it suits our line of thinking - but when it does not, say that "Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages". Agreed that "So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish" but Gurus explanations have to be within the ambit of the original 'codes' contained in the sastra - zipped cow cannot become unzipped monkey. Many of the examples, etc., quoted could be also explained by understanding the respective dignities/ lordships/ stregths/ aspects, instead of turning the jyotish fundamentals on their head. And please always remeber, we all are in this forum and SJC to improve our understanding of this deep science - not to dogmatically defend our personal beliefs and prejudices. It applies to me, as it does to every one else. Regards, - Shailesh - Rafal Gendarz varahamihira Friday, April 13, 2007 8:12 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house hare rama krsnaDear Shaileshji,It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara. If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view.Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Anna, May I suggest a slightly different perspective. A strong Saturn enables one to undertake hard work and discipline - a weak Saturn leads to frustration arising out of inability to work hard/ in a disciplined manner. In my understanding, Saturn has nothing to do with the 'type' of hard work - celebral or menial. For this, we have to look at other influences. If Suturn is to be always cosidered only negative, how does one explain it giving a maha-purush yoga or being part of tapasvi yoga, etc. Regards, - Shailesh - A.R. varahamihira Friday, April 13, 2007 8:09 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 ||Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Visti ji, Namaskar, Still I could not understand why we are deviating on Karaka for sixth house. And also why we are not considering BPHS which had been said as a prime source in case of disputes. BPHS states only one karaka for each bhava and for 6th it is Mars. Though the rest of the astrological texts give primary and secondary karakas. Is the 6th Bhava primary karaka concept as Sani has been taught as a part of SJC parampara? If so I would like to get the answer for the below. Its a common practice amon the indian astrologers of considering Sixth Bhava as Satru Bhava which speaks about enemies Mars is the karaka in all of the astrological texts that I have seen. Even I had found Sanjay ji never neither overruled nor commented on Primary and Secondary Karakas as Mars and Sani. I had read in COVA and some other articles where he described Mars at the first point and Sani later. Doesn't it shows the intuition of considerin Mars as primary karaka? Please clairfy. Regards, Upendra ---------- Forwarded message ----------Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme13 Apr 2007 11:53:26 -0700 Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth housevarahamihira hare rama krsnaDear Upendra, Yes..in the one of last lecture, Sanjayji talk about every bhava and primary karaka, for shatrubhava He says Shani and its the same what Vistiji taught me and what my logic is accepting. This also becomes clearer when You will learn about the remedy for curses, when the lord and planet is not helping then You will take help from the bhavakaraka and in the sixth lord its lord siva - the same Devata which helps the eight and the twelfth. While for the third its Prajaapati. Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Upendra Agnihotram napisaÅ‚(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Rafal ji, Just now it was happened to read Guru Sanjay Rath's Article " Path of Karaka " . Source: http://srath. com/mantra/ index.php? blog=4 The excerpt for VI house had been given as below. The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work. In this article he never stated Who is the primary karaka for VI. Infact the hidden meaning of the above sentence for me states even Sanjay Rath feels Mars as primary karaka for 6th house psychologically as he described Mars first and Saturn later. And also in COVA on Page 204 in the first paragraph of Chapter IX on Sixth house, he had clearly mentioned that the natural significator is Mars. See the below excerpt from COVA on 6th House. The natural Significator for enemies,bad work,boils,cuts and injuries is Mars while that for service agriculture, toil,servants and physical pain and weakness is saturn Again I would like to say I am a kid in astrology and not good as the others who started and replied this thread. So forgive me as a kid if I am doing wrong. Regards, Upendra On 13 Apr 2007 07:42:35 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Shaileshji,It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara . If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa. com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisaÅ‚(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl > wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus- kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa. com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478( O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837____________ _________ _________ ____- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ____________ _________ _________ __ -- Regards,------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- Upendra Agnihotram. -- Regards,------------------------ Upendra Agnihotram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear Rafal, I was sharing my thoughts re my life long interest in Saturn: needless to say, my nature inclines to appreciate Saturn's discipline and persistence and to overestimate it- however 'fruits' come from DIFFERENT avenue- JU, always, and- easily. I would say Saturn pressure activates my Ju /through self-improving efforts/ which than leads me to search and find better opportunities. These experiences are perhaps one major source of my devotion to God and deep faith. I am glad you understood my point on Sa, despite the fact that my message seems not to be quite clear wrt Sa facet I referred to, that you nicely described as 'weakness of the SOUL'. Yes, Indeed! It's quite thoughtful what you said about Sa animosity twrd Ju, spirituality- but if Ju is strong it simply 'radiates' and removes boundaries of Sa. You very effectively summarized this issue. Also you are right about D3: I have Ju/Mo (GKY) on Cn Lagna in D3. However I don't know much about that facet of D3. Would you please share your knowledge on D3 aspects, other than siblings? PLS- Visti says that GKY in Cn lagna indicat good attitude twrd siblings, and that's true, as well. I do know that D3 is more than just siblings, but I missed those varieties of meanings of D3. Warm regards, Anna Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hare rama krsnaDear Anna,Yes, your point about Jupiter should be seen in D3(Jn) - if one gets the fruits easily in life. Sixth bhava is the maraka to the moksa (12) and mantra (5) and its the weakness of the soul (sa) which hates the spiritulity (surya) and knowledge (jupiter). Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 A.R. napisa³(a): Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus- kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa. com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. . -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478( O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837____________ _________ _________ ____- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.____________ _________ _________ __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear Shailesh, No you don't have different perspective from mine. Mine is the same as yours, in the /different/ framework you are referring to, though. I am sorry I 'oversimplified', reduced Sa on ONLY one facet, relevant to SIXTH house, for the sake of this tread/see subject line, please- I deliberately set aside all other subtleties and positives, as I wrote about clearly in my response to Sarbani. Despite that I still see you are persisting on /unjustified/ 'difference' of opinion. I believe that growth of knowledge should be the primary goal, not ego and other personal, idiosyncratic needs. I am wondering now when we talk about certain topic, we cannot write an essay on everything we know about that, can we? For the sake of healthy discussion we have to focus on the subject only. It would be inefficient not to go this way. I am kind of irritated by unproductive practise of 'created' misunderstanding and 'difference of opinion . based on it Regards, AnnaShailesh C Chadha <scchadha wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Anna, May I suggest a slightly different perspective. A strong Saturn enables one to undertake hard work and discipline - a weak Saturn leads to frustration arising out of inability to work hard/ in a disciplined manner. In my understanding, Saturn has nothing to do with the 'type' of hard work - celebral or menial. For this, we have to look at other influences. If Suturn is to be always cosidered only negative, how does one explain it giving a maha-purush yoga or being part of tapasvi yoga, etc. Regards, - Shailesh - A.R. varahamihira Friday, April 13, 2007 8:09 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. . -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Anna, Sorry, but I have been misunderstood. Like you, my reply was also in reference to Sarbani's mail. Again, like you, I am also a 'fan' of Saturn - it sits exalted in my Lagna, in exchange with the laga lord. So, it is my 'virtual' lagna lord, as also my AL and Paka lord, and also D-9 lagna lord. And, both in D-1 & d-9, JU is in 8th from SA. So hopefully, all this gives me persistense, patience and better control over my emotions. Regards, - Shailesh - A.R. varahamihira Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:57 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Dear Shailesh, No you don't have different perspective from mine. Mine is the same as yours, in the /different/ framework you are referring to, though. I am sorry I 'oversimplified', reduced Sa on ONLY one facet, relevant to SIXTH house, for the sake of this tread/see subject line, please- I deliberately set aside all other subtleties and positives, as I wrote about clearly in my response to Sarbani. Despite that I still see you are persisting on /unjustified/ 'difference' of opinion. I believe that growth of knowledge should be the primary goal, not ego and other personal, idiosyncratic needs. I am wondering now when we talk about certain topic, we cannot write an essay on everything we know about that, can we? For the sake of healthy discussion we have to focus on the subject only. It would be inefficient not to go this way. I am kind of irritated by unproductive practise of 'created' misunderstanding and 'difference of opinion . based on it Regards, AnnaShailesh C Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Anna, May I suggest a slightly different perspective. A strong Saturn enables one to undertake hard work and discipline - a weak Saturn leads to frustration arising out of inability to work hard/ in a disciplined manner. In my understanding, Saturn has nothing to do with the 'type' of hard work - celebral or menial. For this, we have to look at other influences. If Suturn is to be always cosidered only negative, how does one explain it giving a maha-purush yoga or being part of tapasvi yoga, etc. Regards, - Shailesh - A.R. varahamihira Friday, April 13, 2007 8:09 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house Hi Shailesh, Rafal, Hard work-weakness, excellent point. Hard work compensate for weakness. If for ex, Ju is strong, we'll be able to meet our objectives easier, no need for 'sheer hard work'. Or, in other words, the lower education-the more hard work, the lower intelligence- the more hard work. Not much is noble in hard work, it's the sign of some weakness. and compensation. Always. Hard work is expression of weakness, not the cause for it. Regards, Anna Shailesh Chadha <scchadha > wrote: || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha#18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIATel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837- Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE.________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Dear Shailesh, In his website, Sanjayji has an article called the Path of the Karakas, which was earlier published in JD, October 2003 issue. Relevant portions are given below in case it helps you and others to clarify. Please note he is talking of multiple karakas for each of the house and he is not talking of the primary karaka here. So from this paper one can assume that he is talking of Saturn and Mars in the same way he is a talking of Jupiter and Sun for the 9th house and Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and Saturn for the 10th house, Jupiter and Saturn for the 11th house and Moon and Mercury for the 4th house. Secondly, do keep in mind when we are talking of Saturn with reference to the 6th house, it is with a connotation of the 'serving' aspect of Saturn. Hence we see servants, pets, service from the 6th house, all of which are linked to Saturn while Mars shows the parakrama in every aspect like war, fighting spirit, litigations, battles, conflicts. Nevertheless Mars is mentioned by Parasara as the primary karaka for the 6th house as it is the bhava of parakrama along with the 3rd house. Now, from what I gather between your and Rafal's talk is that perhaps the confusion crept in because of the discussion on the Shadripus which are seen from the 6th house. Shadripu literally means the Six Enemies. Another name for the 6th house is Ripu Bhava. These Six Enemies are the internal enemies, which the human mind is battling with constantly. These six enemies are the vices which corrupt our senses and I think they can be explained by botb Mars and Saturn. " we are advised to follow the path of the käraka to ensure that we prosper in activities related to a house...every house has many significators and a wise man follows the path of the significators in all activities concerning the house... " The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work... Sun signifying the ninth house demands obedience of the laws and doing one's duty while Jupiter advises faith to the preceptor and sincerity in devotion... The tenth house has four significators. The Sun (king) determines the work – accept it graciously; Mercury determines the learning – pay attention and learn everything there is to learn; Jupiter gives the intelligence for innovation, planning and execution – use it freely; Saturn gives the diligence to finish the task against all odds – strive with all heart and soul... In matters of gains follow the honest path of Jupiter and in expenses the frugality of Saturn for optimum growth in savings. Best regards, Sarbani Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Shailesh, Fine..We can go here further & further without any results. Just ask Sanjayji. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh C Chadha napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Sorry, but once again, I disagree. I have highest regard for Sanjay ji's teachings - he is my direct Guru in this parampara - and he tells us to fall back to BPHS when in doubt. If you do value Sanjay jis teaching more than 'some sastra', please remember that Sanjay ji has always held that no teacher is above BPHS. I would like to repeat that if our, our our Guru's line of argument/ thinking leads us to any conclusion that is contrary to BPHS, then we SHOULD conclude that we are missing some clue. It would be dishonest on our part to selectively, and subjectively, qoute 'some sastra' when it suits our line of thinking - but when it does not, say that "Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages". Agreed that "So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish" but Gurus explanations have to be within the ambit of the original 'codes' contained in the sastra - zipped cow cannot become unzipped monkey. Many of the examples, etc., quoted could be also explained by understanding the respective dignities/ lordships/ stregths/ aspects, instead of turning the jyotish fundamentals on their head. And please always remeber, we all are in this forum and SJC to improve our understanding of this deep science - not to dogmatically defend our personal beliefs and prejudices. It applies to me, as it does to every one else. Regards, - Shailesh ----- Original Message ----- Rafal Gendarz To: varahamihira Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth house hare rama krsna Dear Shaileshji, It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara. If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisał(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+ Dear Shaileshji, Namaskar There is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus-kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. Regards Rafal Gendarz www.rohinaa.com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! Mail Get on board You're invited to try the all-new Mail Beta. .. -- Shailesh C Chadha #18A, St#11, Lane#2, East Marredpally, Secunderabad [AP] - 5000 026, INDIA Tel:+91 40-27733478(O);27737779 ® (Cell) +91 984 999 4837 - Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Those who want to be SUCCESSFUL will find a way. Those who don't will find an EXCUSE. ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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