Conjunction of Dispositors in Transit-repost

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Dear Sunil Nair and other Friends,

I have 5 versions of BPHS. I DISCOVERED ONE THING THAT ABOUT 90% SLOKAS ARE SAME

..

All version propagate the same philosophy.

I really do not need to go as to which Parasara authored BPHS.

It looks that the version of Vishnu Puran published by Gita Press Gorakhapur may

had been written

in about 2000 B.C.Author

of this Vishnu Puran and BPHS seems to be same MAHARISHI.

This Vishunu Puran clearly indicates that V.E.Point was in 1st pada of star

Krittika at the time of its narration.

There may be School of Parasara.The grand

Son of Vashitha and father of Vyasa and also author of BPHS may be different

persons but

belonging to same school of thought,( as in the present era the title of

Shankracharya is continuing ,

some say, since last 2500 years)

However these issues are not of my present study. As you have brought some

aspects on this issue

I have expressed my understanding on the matter.I wish to concentrate on my

study of astrology and do not want to join such issues with any person.

I personally immensely benefited by BPHS and this shastra continues to guide me.

You said Mr. Murthi has already published three volumes on BPHS, where I can

find them if they are in English OR Hindi.

I personally advise you as elder to you in age . Kindly study BPHS , it will

show you the way.Such discussions leads us no where.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

 

Friday, 18 April, 2008 7:38:54 PM

Re: Conjunction of Dispositors in

Transit-repost

 

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of

Dispositors in Transit

 

Dear Goelji

 

If you base your arguments (as mentioned below in your post) on

BPHS, I have

these findings and opinion about BPHS itself, please give me your

opinion for

the benefit of members:

 

The available older versions of BPHS written by well versed scholars

are(till

date):

 

1. Acharya Sridhara's Sanskrit commentary with hindi translation

published by

Venkateshwara Steam Press Bombay

2. Commentary by late Sita Ram Jha published by Master Kheladi lal

and sons,

Varanasi

3. Commentary by Devachandra Jha published by Chaukhamba Vidhya

Bhavan,

Varanasi

4. Commentary by Ganesh Dutta Pathak published by Thakur Prasad

Pustak Bhandar

5. Nilakantha (1443-1543AD) and Sundararaja mentions that

Govindasvamin

(800-50AD) has written a work called Sampradayapradipika which is a

commentary

on Parasara hora and whereabouts of this work is still unknown

However, based on these (more or less) some modern writers like G.C

Sharma and R

Santhanam (incomplete version but only completed by some other

person) have

attempted their own, sub-standard works about which I would like not

to discuss

 

Vachaspati, Jyotisha Vijnana Bhaskar, Rashtrapati Puraskar Sri

Madhura Krishna

Murthy is presently writing BPHS in 5 volumes, and he has already

published 3

volumes. In his magnum opus, Sri Murthy says in the preface

that " Among these

four available versions, 1 and 4 are nearly similar, and 2 and 3 are

similar to

each other. He says that - after thorough cross checking these

versions with the

available manuscripts (at different Oriental Libraries) -

 

1) the adhyaya krama or order of chapters are not matching,

2) the number of chapters are also not coinciding

 

Above cited 1 and 4 versions have two parts called Purva and Uttara

with 51 and

20 chapters respectively, while 2 and 4 versions have 65 and 31

chapters

respectively ( Devachandra Jha's version contains 3 chapters more, 2

in first

part and 1 in second part)which are still short of 100 chapters as

endorsed by

Parasara in last of BPHS.

 

If we also visit Jaipur Pothikhana where there exists wonderful

collection of

Astrology and Astronomy,we could not find manuscript of BPHS, please

one can

refer " appendix V of Sawai Jai Singh and his astronomy " by V N

Sarma, published

by MLBD. I personally made a visit and found many works dealing

mainly on works

of Acharyas of AD but less on BC, and there is an original copy of

Brihatjataka

with tika etc, Sripati with tika, Jaimini Sutra vritti etc. implying

more

development existed after Kalyana Verma till Kesava and Sripati in

Varahamihira' s school

 

Of course, there are many Oriental bhandagars, discussion of which

will be

boring to many members,

 

My question to you or any distinguished scholar is: Can they take us

into time

line from present to the time of Parashara (if we are referring to

father of

Vyasa, then it is around 5100 years back since now, and Varahamihira

existed

more than half way i.e.,around 505 AD and he in his magnum opus

Brihatjataka

mentions in second stanza that after thoroughly examining many

schools he is

presenting a boat called " Hora Tantra " (please note the word Tantra)

to those

Intelligent - Patu buddhibihi) and he does no where adopts

Vimsottari Satam or

other dasas mentioned by Parasara

 

Now regarding the question put forth by you " What is transit? "

I have already given explanation in my earlier posts,

and to one of the member Mr Vijaya Narasimha Pakka, who feels how in

olden days

it is possible to erect planetary positions etc, he or other members

too can

click this link: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Antikythera_ mechanism

and I plead all to pay obeisances to this wonderful Yantra and have

a great

feeling of time travel and visualise the master mind of Great Acharya

Varahamihira

 

Jai Jaimini

Jai Varahamihira

Jairadhe

 

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of

Dispositors in Transit

 

Dear Goelji,

 

Agreed to what you say, but isnt transit fixed beforehand, i.e.,

even at birth

time of a person, so that birth time alone decides complete fate of

a person.

Birth time decides what transits the person is going to encounter

after, say, 25

years. This can be calculated beforehand, i.e., immediately after

birth of the

child and based on transit, natal chart / dasa calculations,

complete future can

be predicted. Hence birth time alone controls the entire fate of the

person. But

such long term calculation of transits, i.e., after 25 years or so

was not

simple earlier, hence astrologers never used to do all that and

simply forecast

only on basis of natal chart and dasa.

 

Regards,

Vijay.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji and Friends,

> What is transit?

> Planets are in continuous movement We freeze their placement in

zodiac at the time of birth.

> BPHS CH 3 SHLOKA 6 says:

> Based on the ascendant and the planets joining and departing from

each other, the natives

> good and bad effects are deduced.

> 1. The yogas in birth chart indicate Sanchit Karma - i.e. the

accumulated fate at the time of birth

> 2 This fate is progressively unfolds with the progress of Dasa

periods

> 3. the fate converts into destiny -Krayaman -with help of transits

> The planetary transits run the whole show.

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> renunw <renunw

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Friday, 18 April, 2008 7:26:31 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of Dispositors in

Transit

>

> Dear members,

>

> Let me quote from the book Navamsa in Astrology by CS Patel...

> [sorry, I am not versed in Sanskrit]...

>

> " A native born in Cancer Ascendant, with Venus occupying Dhanus

> Navmasa in Mesha sign, will have much wealth and be happy, during

> the period of conjunction in thrasit of Jupiter and Mars [both

> neutral planets]. " Translation of D.K. 3 p.97 verse 3272

>

> He goes on to say that these two planets whenever in transit

> conjunct, they produce certain favourable results to the native of

> Cancer Ascendant. These two planets happen to be the Rasi

dispositor

> and Navamsa dispositor of Venus. That is the logic behind this.

>

> My question is, if transit of planets do not hold much importance

on

> a native's life, how far is it reasonable to consider the above

> dictum as good and valid?

>

> What if this conjunction occurrs in Cancer itself, where Mars gets

> debilitated and Jupiter gets exalted?

>

> I presume that this theory of dispositors is valid to all other

> planets, and to their relative rasi + navamsa dispositors too. Am

I

> on the correct path?

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

>

> Explore your hobbies and interests.. Go to

http://in.promos. / groups/

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear members,

 

Opinions are well open to public, it is left to an intelligent reader

Coming to Goelji's request of three volumes, it is available only in Telugu.

 

Regarding Goelji's personal advise, I too can give free advise based on his

birth chart etc (23-April-1937, 16-31 hrs Bareilly, 79-24E, 28-21N, Hasta

nakshatra and Kanya lagna, running presently Sani Maha dasa!!! upto June 2010

with lagna and janma Sade sati ) but I am not his mentor or Guru

 

There exists three Vriddhas (elders) in ascending order:

 

Vayo Vriddha (older by age)

Jnana Vriddha (older by knowledge and wisdom)

Bhakta Vriddha (older by devotion or surrender to Supreme)

 

As he expressed his state of elderness, I have to accept his guidance

 

There is no such state called " Such discussions leads us no where " for a

Saddhaka

 

Jai Jaimini

Jai Varahamihira

Jairadhe

 

 

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

 

Cc: vedic astrology ; BHUSAN k <naxatra; Sanjay Rath

<sanjayrath; sohamsa <sohamsa >

Saturday, 19 April, 2008 1:11:47 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Re: Conjunction of

Dispositors in Transit-repost

 

 

Dear Sunil Nair and other Friends,

I have 5 versions of BPHS. I DISCOVERED ONE THING THAT ABOUT 90% SLOKAS ARE SAME

..

All version propagate the same philosophy.

I really do not need to go as to which Parasara authored BPHS.

It looks that the version of Vishnu Puran published by Gita Press Gorakhapur may

had been written

in about 2000 B.C.Author

of this Vishnu Puran and BPHS seems to be same MAHARISHI.

This Vishunu Puran clearly indicates that V.E.Point was in 1st pada of star

Krittika at the time of its narration.

There may be School of Parasara.The grand

Son of Vashitha and father of Vyasa and also author of BPHS may be different

persons but

belonging to same school of thought,( as in the present era the title of

Shankracharya is continuing ,

some say, since last 2500 years)

However these issues are not of my present study. As you have brought some

aspects on this issue

I have expressed my understanding on the matter.I wish to concentrate on my

study of astrology and do not want to join such issues with any person.

I personally immensely benefited by BPHS and this shastra continues to guide me.

You said Mr. Murthi has already published three volumes on BPHS, where I can

find them if they are in English OR Hindi.

I personally advise you as elder to you in age . Kindly study BPHS , it will

show you the way.Such discussions leads us no where.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, 18 April, 2008 7:38:54 PM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Conjunction of Dispositors in

Transit-repost

 

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of

Dispositors in Transit

 

Dear Goelji

 

If you base your arguments (as mentioned below in your post) on

BPHS, I have

these findings and opinion about BPHS itself, please give me your

opinion for

the benefit of members:

 

The available older versions of BPHS written by well versed scholars

are(till

date):

 

1. Acharya Sridhara's Sanskrit commentary with hindi translation

published by

Venkateshwara Steam Press Bombay

2. Commentary by late Sita Ram Jha published by Master Kheladi lal

and sons,

Varanasi

3. Commentary by Devachandra Jha published by Chaukhamba Vidhya

Bhavan,

Varanasi

4. Commentary by Ganesh Dutta Pathak published by Thakur Prasad

Pustak Bhandar

5. Nilakantha (1443-1543AD) and Sundararaja mentions that

Govindasvamin

(800-50AD) has written a work called Sampradayapradipika which is a

commentary

on Parasara hora and whereabouts of this work is still unknown

However, based on these (more or less) some modern writers like G.C

Sharma and R

Santhanam (incomplete version but only completed by some other

person) have

attempted their own, sub-standard works about which I would like not

to discuss

 

Vachaspati, Jyotisha Vijnana Bhaskar, Rashtrapati Puraskar Sri

Madhura Krishna

Murthy is presently writing BPHS in 5 volumes, and he has already

published 3

volumes. In his magnum opus, Sri Murthy says in the preface

that " Among these

four available versions, 1 and 4 are nearly similar, and 2 and 3 are

similar to

each other. He says that - after thorough cross checking these

versions with the

available manuscripts (at different Oriental Libraries) -

 

1) the adhyaya krama or order of chapters are not matching,

2) the number of chapters are also not coinciding

 

Above cited 1 and 4 versions have two parts called Purva and Uttara

with 51 and

20 chapters respectively, while 2 and 4 versions have 65 and 31

chapters

respectively ( Devachandra Jha's version contains 3 chapters more, 2

in first

part and 1 in second part)which are still short of 100 chapters as

endorsed by

Parasara in last of BPHS.

 

If we also visit Jaipur Pothikhana where there exists wonderful

collection of

Astrology and Astronomy,we could not find manuscript of BPHS, please

one can

refer " appendix V of Sawai Jai Singh and his astronomy " by V N

Sarma, published

by MLBD. I personally made a visit and found many works dealing

mainly on works

of Acharyas of AD but less on BC, and there is an original copy of

Brihatjataka

with tika etc, Sripati with tika, Jaimini Sutra vritti etc. implying

more

development existed after Kalyana Verma till Kesava and Sripati in

Varahamihira' s school

 

Of course, there are many Oriental bhandagars, discussion of which

will be

boring to many members,

 

My question to you or any distinguished scholar is: Can they take us

into time

line from present to the time of Parashara (if we are referring to

father of

Vyasa, then it is around 5100 years back since now, and Varahamihira

existed

more than half way i.e.,around 505 AD and he in his magnum opus

Brihatjataka

mentions in second stanza that after thoroughly examining many

schools he is

presenting a boat called " Hora Tantra " (please note the word Tantra)

to those

Intelligent - Patu buddhibihi) and he does no where adopts

Vimsottari Satam or

other dasas mentioned by Parasara

 

Now regarding the question put forth by you " What is transit? "

I have already given explanation in my earlier posts,

and to one of the member Mr Vijaya Narasimha Pakka, who feels how in

olden days

it is possible to erect planetary positions etc, he or other members

too can

click this link: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Antikythera_ mechanism

and I plead all to pay obeisances to this wonderful Yantra and have

a great

feeling of time travel and visualise the master mind of Great Acharya

Varahamihira

 

Jai Jaimini

Jai Varahamihira

Jairadhe

 

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of

Dispositors in Transit

 

Dear Goelji,

 

Agreed to what you say, but isnt transit fixed beforehand, i.e.,

even at birth

time of a person, so that birth time alone decides complete fate of

a person.

Birth time decides what transits the person is going to encounter

after, say, 25

years. This can be calculated beforehand, i.e., immediately after

birth of the

child and based on transit, natal chart / dasa calculations,

complete future can

be predicted. Hence birth time alone controls the entire fate of the

person. But

such long term calculation of transits, i.e., after 25 years or so

was not

simple earlier, hence astrologers never used to do all that and

simply forecast

only on basis of natal chart and dasa.

 

Regards,

Vijay.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji and Friends,

> What is transit?

> Planets are in continuous movement We freeze their placement in

zodiac at the time of birth.

> BPHS CH 3 SHLOKA 6 says:

> Based on the ascendant and the planets joining and departing from

each other, the natives

> good and bad effects are deduced.

> 1. The yogas in birth chart indicate Sanchit Karma - i.e. the

accumulated fate at the time of birth

> 2 This fate is progressively unfolds with the progress of Dasa

periods

> 3. the fate converts into destiny -Krayaman -with help of transits

> The planetary transits run the whole show.

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> renunw <renunw

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Friday, 18 April, 2008 7:26:31 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Conjunction of Dispositors in

Transit

>

> Dear members,

>

> Let me quote from the book Navamsa in Astrology by CS Patel...

> [sorry, I am not versed in Sanskrit]...

>

> " A native born in Cancer Ascendant, with Venus occupying Dhanus

> Navmasa in Mesha sign, will have much wealth and be happy, during

> the period of conjunction in thrasit of Jupiter and Mars [both

> neutral planets]. " Translation of D.K. 3 p.97 verse 3272

>

> He goes on to say that these two planets whenever in transit

> conjunct, they produce certain favourable results to the native of

> Cancer Ascendant. These two planets happen to be the Rasi

dispositor

> and Navamsa dispositor of Venus. That is the logic behind this.

>

> My question is, if transit of planets do not hold much importance

on

> a native's life, how far is it reasonable to consider the above

> dictum as good and valid?

>

> What if this conjunction occurrs in Cancer itself, where Mars gets

> debilitated and Jupiter gets exalted?

>

> I presume that this theory of dispositors is valid to all other

> planets, and to their relative rasi + navamsa dispositors too. Am

I

> on the correct path?

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

>

> Explore your hobbies and interests.. Go to

http://in.promos. / groups/

>

 

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