Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Dear Mr Nair Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani indicating the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by one and all. But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, if an example chart is augmented by it. Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary positions are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example from your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is welcome. With warm Regards MK Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear Name is ego ji , I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested so many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can post anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is no moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post anything ??? U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which i keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i find its working . Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a ruematic patient .} this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other effects tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some hiding and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to destroy vedic astrology concepts . Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in kumbha rasi its bad only . Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then dont spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we had enough filth to clear off . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi <nameisego wrote: > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, he will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't worry.Be happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > Tatvam-Asi > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977 wrote: > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn is > present what is the remedy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear viswanath ji Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never declared as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i cannot post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not sit and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish principles ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like in Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in 5th house ( own house ) . so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come out with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . / </> where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past almost 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost principles and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . I hope u understand . so u r welcome regrds sunil nair on shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Mr Nair > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani indicating the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by one and all. > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, if an example chart is augmented by it. > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary positions are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example from your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is welcome. > > With warm Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear Name is ego ji , > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested so > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can post > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is no > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post anything > ??? > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which i > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > find its working . > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > ruematic patient .} > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other effects > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some hiding > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to destroy > vedic astrology concepts . > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in kumbha > rasi its bad only . > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then dont > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we had > enough filth to clear off . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > wrote: > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, he > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't worry.Be > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn is > > present what is the remedy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to certain rules. For example take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal for us to proclaim the rule. It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules before they are being circulated by us. Thanks a lot. I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a member. Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked a query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a relationship commences. Regards MK Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear viswanath ji Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never declared as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i cannot post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not sit and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish principles ...Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like in Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in 5th house ( own house ) . so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come out with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . / </> where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past almost 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost principles and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . I hope u understand . so u r welcome regrds sunil nair on shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Dear Mr Nair > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani indicating the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by one and all. > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, if an example chart is augmented by it. > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary positions are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example from your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is welcome. > > With warm Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear Name is ego ji , > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested so > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can post > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is no > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post anything > ??? > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which i > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > find its working . > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > ruematic patient .} > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other effects > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some hiding > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to destroy > vedic astrology concepts . > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in kumbha > rasi its bad only . > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then dont > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we had > enough filth to clear off . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > wrote: > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, he > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't worry.Be > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn is > > present what is the remedy. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear viswanath , Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i dont want that title . Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is similar . So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . THis question was a common question and it deserves only common answers ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i cant fall for it . So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over smarties . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to certain rules. For example > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal for us to proclaim the rule. > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules before they are being circulated by us. > > Thanks a lot. > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a member. > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked a query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a relationship commences. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear viswanath ji > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never declared > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i cannot > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not sit > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish principles > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like in > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in 5th > house ( own house ) . > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come out > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > / > </> > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past almost > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost principles > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > I hope u understand . > > so u r welcome > > regrds sunil nair > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani indicating > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by one > and all. > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary positions > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example from > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is welcome. > > > > With warm Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested so > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can post > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is no > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post anything > > ??? > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which i > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > > find its working . > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > ruematic patient .} > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > effects > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > hiding > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to destroy > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in kumbha > > rasi its bad only . > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then > dont > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we had > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > wrote: > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, > he > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't worry.Be > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn > is > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a rule is presented, an example also would have been given. We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of one native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking this. In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is not worth its while to quote stanzas. Regards Mk Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear viswanath , Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i dont want that title . Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is similar . So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . THis question was a common question and it deserves only common answers ...I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i cant fall for it . So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over smarties . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to certain rules. For example > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal for us to proclaim the rule. > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules before they are being circulated by us. > > Thanks a lot. > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a member. > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked a query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a relationship commences. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear viswanath ji > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never declared > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i cannot > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not sit > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish principles > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like in > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in 5th > house ( own house ) . > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come out > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > / > </> > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past almost > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost principles > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > I hope u understand . > > so u r welcome > > regrds sunil nair > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani indicating > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by one > and all. > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary positions > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example from > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is welcome. > > > > With warm Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested so > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can post > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is no > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post anything > > ??? > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which i > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > > find its working . > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it .The > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them .He > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house ,his > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > ruematic patient .} > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > effects > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > hiding > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to destroy > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in kumbha > > rasi its bad only . > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then > dont > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we had > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > wrote: > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, > he > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't worry.Be > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn > is > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 hare rama krishna dear vishwanth , general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r welcome in my grp . i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of one native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking this. > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is not worth its while to quote stanzas. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear viswanath , > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i dont > want that title . > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is > similar . > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common answers > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i cant > fall for it . > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > smarties . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > certain rules. For example > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a member. > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked a > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a relationship > commences. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > declared > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > cannot > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not > sit > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > principles > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like > in > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in > 5th > > house ( own house ) . > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come > out > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > / > > </> > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > almost > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > principles > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > so u r welcome > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > indicating > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by > one > > and all. > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > positions > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > from > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > welcome. > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested > so > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can > post > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is > no > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > anything > > > ??? > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which > i > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > > > find its working . > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it ..The > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them ..He > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > ,his > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > effects > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > hiding > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > destroy > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > kumbha > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then > > dont > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we > had > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, > > he > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > worry.Be > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn > > is > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by you, which indicates the situation well. Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast one birth chart. You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. But many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void unless it is proven practically. A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am sure you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing with. Regards MK Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare rama krishna dear vishwanth , general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r welcome in my grp . i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of one native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking this. > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is not worth its while to quote stanzas. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear viswanath , > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i dont > want that title . > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is > similar . > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common answers > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i cant > fall for it . > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > smarties . > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > certain rules. For example > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a member. > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked a > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a relationship > commences. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > declared > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > cannot > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not > sit > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > principles > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like > in > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both cases > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in > 5th > > house ( own house ) . > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come > out > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > / > > </> > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > almost > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > principles > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus as > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any schools > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > so u r welcome > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > indicating > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by > one > > and all. > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient granthas, > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > positions > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order to > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > from > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > welcome. > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested > so > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can > post > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there is > no > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > anything > > > ??? > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find it > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come out > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( which > i > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums i > > > find its working . > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it ...The > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them ...He > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > ,his > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > effects > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also if > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > hiding > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > destroy > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > kumbha > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till then > > dont > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we > had > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the contrary, > > he > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > worry.Be > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like saturn > > is > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Thanxs and do it , I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know u r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any chart ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . its ur duty to counter it regrds sunil nair vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by you, which indicates the situation well. > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast one birth chart. > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. But many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void unless it is proven practically. > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am sure you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing with. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > hare rama krishna > > dear vishwanth , > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r > welcome in my grp . > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of one > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > this. > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is not > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > Regards > > Mk Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > dont > > want that title . > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is > > similar . > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > answers > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i > cant > > fall for it . > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > smarties . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > certain rules. For example > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > member. > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked > a > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > relationship > > commences. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > declared > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > cannot > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not > > sit > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > principles > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like > > in > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > cases > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in > > 5th > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come > > out > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > / > > > </> > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > > almost > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > principles > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus > as > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > schools > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > indicating > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by > > one > > > and all. > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > granthas, > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > positions > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order > to > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > > from > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > welcome. > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested > > so > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can > > post > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there > is > > no > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > anything > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find > it > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come > out > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > which > > i > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums > i > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > ..The > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them > ..He > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > > ,his > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > > effects > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also > if > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > > hiding > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > destroy > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > > kumbha > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > then > > > dont > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we > > had > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > contrary, > > > he > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > worry.Be > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > saturn > > > is > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. I have no hidden agenda. But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. This is not astrology. May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require probably a life time to understand one correctly. Regards MK Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Thanxs and do it , I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know u r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any chart ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . its ur duty to counter it regrds sunil nair vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by you, which indicates the situation well. > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast one birth chart. > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. But many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void unless it is proven practically. > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am sure you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing with. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > hare rama krishna > > dear vishwanth , > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r > welcome in my grp . > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of one > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > this. > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is not > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > Regards > > Mk Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya ,any > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > dont > > want that title . > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart is > > similar . > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > answers > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i > cant > > fall for it . > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > smarties . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > certain rules. For example > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be ideal > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > member. > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only asked > a > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > relationship > > commences. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > declared > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > cannot > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need not > > sit > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > principles > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this like > > in > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > cases > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani in > > 5th > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and come > > out > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > / > > > </> > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > > almost > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > principles > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and gurus > as > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > schools > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > indicating > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated by > > one > > > and all. > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > granthas, > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > positions > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order > to > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > > from > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > welcome. > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( grand > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i requested > > so > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u can > > post > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there > is > > no > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > anything > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my grand > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never find > it > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come > out > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > which > > i > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in forums > i > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose the > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > ..The > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them > ..He > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > > ,his > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as a > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > > effects > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that also > if > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > > hiding > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > destroy > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > > kumbha > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > then > > > dont > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology ,we > > had > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > contrary, > > > he > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > worry.Be > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > saturn > > > is > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years what u hav done other than asking for charts . do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict it with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat r u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show self importance tru comments than contributions . if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. I have no hidden agenda. > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > This is not astrology. > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Thanxs and do it , > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know u > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any chart > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . > > its ur duty to counter it > > regrds sunil nair > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast > one birth chart. > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. But > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > unless it is proven practically. > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am sure > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > with. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r > > welcome in my grp . > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of > one > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > > this. > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is > not > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > Regards > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya > ,any > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > > dont > > > want that title . > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart > is > > > similar . > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > answers > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i > > cant > > > fall for it . > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > smarties . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > > certain rules. For example > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > ideal > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > member. > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > asked > > a > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > relationship > > > commences. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > > declared > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > > cannot > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need > not > > > sit > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > principles > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this > like > > > in > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > > cases > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani > in > > > 5th > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and > come > > > out > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > / > > > > </> > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > > > almost > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > principles > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > gurus > > as > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > schools > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > indicating > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated > by > > > one > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > granthas, > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > positions > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order > > to > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > > > from > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > grand > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > requested > > > so > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u > can > > > post > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there > > is > > > no > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > anything > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > grand > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > find > > it > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come > > out > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > > which > > > i > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > forums > > i > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose > the > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > > ..The > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them > > ..He > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > > > ,his > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as > a > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > > > effects > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > also > > if > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > > > hiding > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > > destroy > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > > > kumbha > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > > then > > > > dont > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology > ,we > > > had > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > contrary, > > > > he > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > > worry.Be > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > > saturn > > > > is > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir Thanks for your msg. I can give you charts where Saturn is placed in 4th house and they do not have any such problems as you read out from the stanza. Those stanzas are general in nature. Roga peeda comes only when Asc and 6th have got connection only. If Saturn is involved in the roga, he will give the roga based on his significations. No planet alone can do anything. Regards Mk Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years what u hav done other than asking for charts . do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict it with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat r u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show self importance tru comments than contributions . if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. I have no hidden agenda. > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > This is not astrology. > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > Regards > MK Viswanat > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Thanxs and do it , > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know u > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any chart > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . > > its ur duty to counter it > > regrds sunil nair > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast > one birth chart. > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. But > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > unless it is proven practically. > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am sure > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > with. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u r > > welcome in my grp . > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one a > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of > one > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > > this. > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is > not > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > Regards > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do in > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya > ,any > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > > dont > > > want that title . > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart > is > > > similar . > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > answers > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which i > > cant > > > fall for it . > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > smarties . > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > > certain rules. For example > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > ideal > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > member. > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > asked > > a > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > relationship > > > commences. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > > declared > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome with > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > > cannot > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need > not > > > sit > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > principles > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this > like > > > in > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > > cases > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani > in > > > 5th > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and > come > > > out > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want to > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > / > > > > </> > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in past > > > almost > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > principles > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > gurus > > as > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > schools > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > indicating > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated > by > > > one > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > granthas, > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > positions > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in order > > to > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an example > > > from > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > grand > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > requested > > > so > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u > can > > > post > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and there > > is > > > no > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > anything > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > grand > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > find > > it > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will come > > out > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > > which > > > i > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > forums > > i > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri ) > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose > the > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > > ..The > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for them > > ..He > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his house > > > ,his > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up as > a > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and other > > > > effects > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete bad > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > also > > if > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm some > > > > hiding > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > > destroy > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if in > > > kumbha > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > > then > > > > dont > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology > ,we > > > had > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > contrary, > > > > he > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > > worry.Be > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > > saturn > > > > is > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 u r most welcome vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > Thanks for your msg. > > I can give you charts where Saturn is placed in 4th house and they do not have any such problems as you read out from the stanza. > > Those stanzas are general in nature. Roga peeda comes only when Asc and 6th have got connection only. If Saturn is involved in the roga, he will give the roga based on his significations. No planet alone can do anything. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u > > I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude > > so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years > what u hav done other than asking for charts . > > do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . > > any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict it > with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man > > i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat r > u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only > other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read > whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show > self importance tru comments than contributions . > > if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart . > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has > already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. I > have no hidden agenda. > > > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just > posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do > an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does > not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > > > This is not astrology. > > > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require > probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanxs and do it , > > > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know > u > > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any > chart > > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . > > > > its ur duty to counter it > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart > > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, > > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are > > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast > > one birth chart. > > > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. > But > > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > > unless it is proven practically. > > > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am > sure > > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > > with. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u > r > > > welcome in my grp . > > > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one > a > > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of > > one > > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > > > this. > > > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is > > not > > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do > in > > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya > > ,any > > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > > > dont > > > > want that title . > > > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart > > is > > > > similar . > > > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > > answers > > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which > i > > > cant > > > > fall for it . > > > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > > smarties . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > > > certain rules. For example > > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > > ideal > > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > > member. > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > > asked > > > a > > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > > relationship > > > > commences. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > > > declared > > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome > with > > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > > > cannot > > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need > > not > > > > sit > > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > > principles > > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this > > like > > > > in > > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > > > cases > > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani > > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and > > come > > > > out > > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want > to > > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > </> > > > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in > past > > > > almost > > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > > principles > > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > > gurus > > > as > > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > > schools > > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > > indicating > > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated > > by > > > > one > > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > > granthas, > > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > > positions > > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in > order > > > to > > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an > example > > > > from > > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > > grand > > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > > requested > > > > so > > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u > > can > > > > post > > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > > anything > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > > grand > > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > > find > > > it > > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will > come > > > out > > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > > > which > > > > i > > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > > forums > > > i > > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose > > the > > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > > > ..The > > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for > them > > > ..He > > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his > house > > > > ,his > > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up > as > > a > > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and > other > > > > > effects > > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > > also > > > if > > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm > some > > > > > hiding > > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > > > destroy > > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if > in > > > > kumbha > > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > > > then > > > > > dont > > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology > > ,we > > > > had > > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > > contrary, > > > > > he > > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > > > worry.Be > > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > > > saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sir All that I would like to beg you is not to quote the stanzas and try to misguide the budding astrologers. One Stanza cannot just decide someone's fate. The chart has to be seen with all the planetary positions with D-1 and D-9 positions and not just seeing one planet i.e., Saturn or Jupiter for that matter. Of course, it is important to see the karma phala based upon Saturn's position and signifcations. I am sure you understand the rationale behind my mail. It is not to catch you wrong or crticise you or belittle you. With good command over English language, and with background in Astrology, any one could write anything, quote any stanza from umpteen ancient granthas. But they should be constructive in its nature and educative for the budding astrologers and not to confuse anyone. The stanzas written by ancient astrologers and sages have always to be read with other relative stanzas and not to be taken singly. This is only what I wanted to convey. Regards Mk Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: u r most welcome vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > Thanks for your msg. > > I can give you charts where Saturn is placed in 4th house and they do not have any such problems as you read out from the stanza. > > Those stanzas are general in nature. Roga peeda comes only when Asc and 6th have got connection only. If Saturn is involved in the roga, he will give the roga based on his significations. No planet alone can do anything. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u > > I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude > > so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years > what u hav done other than asking for charts . > > do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . > > any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict it > with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man > > i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat r > u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only > other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read > whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show > self importance tru comments than contributions . > > if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart . > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has > already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. I > have no hidden agenda. > > > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just > posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do > an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does > not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > > > This is not astrology. > > > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require > probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > > > Regards > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Thanxs and do it , > > > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i know > u > > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any > chart > > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions . > > > > its ur duty to counter it > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One chart > > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many times, > > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which are > > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by atleast > > one birth chart. > > > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. > But > > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > > unless it is proven practically. > > > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am > sure > > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > > with. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and u > r > > > welcome in my grp . > > > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when one > a > > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details of > > one > > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in asking > > > this. > > > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it is > > not > > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do > in > > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru sisya > > ,any > > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But i > > > dont > > > > want that title . > > > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no chart > > is > > > > similar . > > > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed . > > > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > > answers > > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not ,which > i > > > cant > > > > fall for it . > > > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > > smarties . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that the > > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions to > > > > certain rules. For example > > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > > ideal > > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many rules > > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > > member. > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > > asked > > > a > > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > > relationship > > > > commences. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i never > > > > declared > > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome > with > > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints i > > > > cannot > > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases ,need > > not > > > > sit > > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > > principles > > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for this > > like > > > > in > > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( both > > > cases > > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart sani > > in > > > > 5th > > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future and > > come > > > > out > > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want > to > > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > </> > > > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in > past > > > > almost > > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > > principles > > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept into > > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > > gurus > > > as > > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > > schools > > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > > indicating > > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely appreciated > > by > > > > one > > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > > granthas, > > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > > positions > > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in > order > > > to > > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an > example > > > > from > > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject is > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > > grand > > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > > requested > > > > so > > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree u > > can > > > > post > > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > > anything > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > > grand > > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > > find > > > it > > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will > come > > > out > > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart ( > > > which > > > > i > > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > > forums > > > i > > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana bhattathiri > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will lose > > the > > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy it > > > ..The > > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for > them > > > ..He > > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his > house > > > > ,his > > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up > as > > a > > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and > other > > > > > effects > > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > > also > > > if > > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm > some > > > > > hiding > > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract to > > > > destroy > > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if > in > > > > kumbha > > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me till > > > then > > > > > dont > > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic astrology > > ,we > > > > had > > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi nameisego@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > > contrary, > > > > > he > > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a living.Don't > > > > worry.Be > > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic like > > > saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I dont know why r u crying over the spilled milk ,in my mail itself i said all this things in shortest possible words . Now why u repeating already stale news ,do some thing constructiv man ..The question was a one liner and that question needs one answer only ,it was not my aim to ask his details or do a write up . U say u r an astrologer where did u find sani promots the sukh bhava unless the exceptions ( i hav no mind to quote each and every thing ) r there U catch a wrong place man . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > All that I would like to beg you is not to quote the stanzas and try to misguide the budding astrologers. One Stanza cannot just decide someone's fate. The chart has to be seen with all the planetary positions with D-1 and D-9 positions and not just seeing one planet i.e., Saturn or Jupiter for that matter. > > Of course, it is important to see the karma phala based upon Saturn's position and signifcations. > > I am sure you understand the rationale behind my mail. It is not to catch you wrong or crticise you or belittle you. > > With good command over English language, and with background in Astrology, any one could write anything, quote any stanza from umpteen ancient granthas. > > But they should be constructive in its nature and educative for the budding astrologers and not to confuse anyone. > > The stanzas written by ancient astrologers and sages have always to be read with other relative stanzas and not to be taken singly. > > This is only what I wanted to convey. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > u r most welcome > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > Thanks for your msg. > > > > I can give you charts where Saturn is placed in 4th house and they do > not have any such problems as you read out from the stanza. > > > > Those stanzas are general in nature. Roga peeda comes only when Asc > and 6th have got connection only. If Saturn is involved in the roga, he > will give the roga based on his significations. No planet alone can do > anything. > > > > Regards > > Mk Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u > > > > I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude > > > > so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years > > what u hav done other than asking for charts . > > > > do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . > > > > any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict > it > > with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man > > > > i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat > r > > u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only > > other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read > > whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show > > self importance tru comments than contributions . > > > > if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart .. > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > > > > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has > > already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. > I > > have no hidden agenda. > > > > > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just > > posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do > > an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does > > not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > > > > > This is not astrology. > > > > > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > > > > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require > > probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanxs and do it , > > > > > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i > know > > u > > > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > > > > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any > > chart > > > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions .. > > > > > > its ur duty to counter it > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One > chart > > > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many > times, > > > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > > > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which > are > > > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by > atleast > > > one birth chart. > > > > > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. > > But > > > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > > > unless it is proven practically. > > > > > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > > > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am > > sure > > > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > > > with. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and > u > > r > > > > welcome in my grp . > > > > > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when > one > > a > > > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details > of > > > one > > > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in > asking > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it > is > > > not > > > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do > > in > > > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru > sisya > > > ,any > > > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But > i > > > > dont > > > > > want that title . > > > > > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no > chart > > > is > > > > > similar . > > > > > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed .. > > > > > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > > > answers > > > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not > ,which > > i > > > > cant > > > > > fall for it . > > > > > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > > > smarties . > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that > the > > > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions > to > > > > > certain rules. For example > > > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > > > ideal > > > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many > rules > > > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > > > member. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > > > asked > > > > a > > > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > > > relationship > > > > > commences. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i > never > > > > > declared > > > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome > > with > > > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints > i > > > > > cannot > > > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases > ,need > > > not > > > > > sit > > > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > > > principles > > > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for > this > > > like > > > > > in > > > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( > both > > > > cases > > > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart > sani > > > in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future > and > > > come > > > > > out > > > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want > > to > > > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > </> > > > > > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in > > past > > > > > almost > > > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > > > principles > > > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept > into > > > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > > > gurus > > > > as > > > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > > > schools > > > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > > > indicating > > > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely > appreciated > > > by > > > > > one > > > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > > > granthas, > > > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > > > positions > > > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an > > example > > > > > from > > > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject > is > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > > > grand > > > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > > > requested > > > > > so > > > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree > u > > > can > > > > > post > > > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > > > anything > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > > > grand > > > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > > > find > > > > it > > > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will > > come > > > > out > > > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart > ( > > > > which > > > > > i > > > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > > > forums > > > > i > > > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana > bhattathiri > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will > lose > > > the > > > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy > it > > > > ..The > > > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for > > them > > > > ..He > > > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his > > house > > > > > ,his > > > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up > > as > > > a > > > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and > > other > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > > > also > > > > if > > > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm > > some > > > > > > hiding > > > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract > to > > > > > destroy > > > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if > > in > > > > > kumbha > > > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me > till > > > > then > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic > astrology > > > ,we > > > > > had > > > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi > nameisego@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > > > contrary, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a > living.Don't > > > > > worry.Be > > > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic > like > > > > saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 I think you are driven by anger and no wisdom. sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: I dont know why r u crying over the spilled milk ,in my mail itself i said all this things in shortest possible words . Now why u repeating already stale news ,do some thing constructiv man ...The question was a one liner and that question needs one answer only ,it was not my aim to ask his details or do a write up . U say u r an astrologer where did u find sani promots the sukh bhava unless the exceptions ( i hav no mind to quote each and every thing ) r there U catch a wrong place man . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > Sir > > All that I would like to beg you is not to quote the stanzas and try to misguide the budding astrologers. One Stanza cannot just decide someone's fate. The chart has to be seen with all the planetary positions with D-1 and D-9 positions and not just seeing one planet i.e., Saturn or Jupiter for that matter. > > Of course, it is important to see the karma phala based upon Saturn's position and signifcations. > > I am sure you understand the rationale behind my mail. It is not to catch you wrong or crticise you or belittle you. > > With good command over English language, and with background in Astrology, any one could write anything, quote any stanza from umpteen ancient granthas. > > But they should be constructive in its nature and educative for the budding astrologers and not to confuse anyone. > > The stanzas written by ancient astrologers and sages have always to be read with other relative stanzas and not to be taken singly. > > This is only what I wanted to convey. > > Regards > Mk Viswanat > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > u r most welcome > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > Thanks for your msg. > > > > I can give you charts where Saturn is placed in 4th house and they do > not have any such problems as you read out from the stanza. > > > > Those stanzas are general in nature. Roga peeda comes only when Asc > and 6th have got connection only. If Saturn is involved in the roga, he > will give the roga based on his significations. No planet alone can do > anything. > > > > Regards > > Mk Viswanat > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > Then u take up that part of teaching sir ,who is blocking u > > > > I cant just take this part as-- all work u do and i play attitude > > > > so u do ur home work and do atma parishodan of ur part in last 2 years > > what u hav done other than asking for charts . > > > > do u want me re produce whole vedic astrology in one mail . > > > > any planet in any house can giv diffrnt results ,so u shud contradict > it > > with u r own 80 yrs as astrologer and business man > > > > i quoted basic rules and even given u 3 charts Now what u want and wat > r > > u after with ur frustrations .Basics rules come first and then only > > other things will which i mentioned as dasa vidha ganitas ( if u read > > whole tread ) i dont mind arguing for 100yrs as its ur mission to show > > self importance tru comments than contributions . > > > > if u r an astrologer why cant u challenge it than begging for chart ... > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > You are off the track when you say " business " and all that. > > > > > > There is no frustration with me at all. My age for frustration has > > already left me long back. I am an astrologer, and not a businessman. > I > > have no hidden agenda. > > > > > > But I can very well say that you are reading some stanzas and just > > posting it, but without any back up. Please ask your conscience and do > > an atma-parishodhan. These type of mails from your respected side does > > not serve any purpose for the astro-fraternity. > > > > > > This is not astrology. > > > > > > May God Almighty give everyone wise mind. > > > > > > It requires seconds for mis-understanding one, but it may require > > probably a life time to understand one correctly. > > > > > > Regards > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanxs and do it , > > > > > > I was religiously rejecting ur all business mails in our grp so i > know > > u > > > r memebr of our grp and i know what is ur frustration . > > > > > > i repeat i was anwering to a common query which does not need any > > chart > > > ,as the queriest s question i am answering not ur fancy questions ... > > > > > > its ur duty to counter it > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > I shall join your group. One do not need 1000 charts Sir. One > chart > > > with the stanza quoted by you will do. After me begging so many > times, > > > you are unable to give a birth details matching the stanza quoted by > > > you, which indicates the situation well. > > > > > > > > Any way thanks for taking the pains and posting the stanza which > are > > > not useful to the forum members in the absence of augmented by > atleast > > > one birth chart. > > > > > > > > You are the master of your decision, and I respect your decision. > > But > > > many persons will agree with the point that a rule is null and void > > > unless it is proven practically. > > > > > > > > A rule is presented in one paper and for an example chart, one is > > > asked to go to another paper!!!. This is unfair in my opinion. I am > > sure > > > you will agree to justice and fairness in the matters one is dealing > > > with. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > dear vishwanth , > > > > > > > > general quetions need general answers ,that is all and that is it > > > > > > > > for discussion u can collect 1000 charts ( u do ur home work ) and > u > > r > > > > welcome in my grp . > > > > > > > > i made it clear .and u know it now .hope u understands .Its waist > > > > otherwise if u cannt understand my simple mails . > > > > > > > > sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > I agree with what you say, but one gets the feeling that when > one > > a > > > > rule is presented, an example also would have been given. > > > > > > > > > > We do not expect you to present an analysis, but birth details > of > > > one > > > > native could be given matching the rule. I hope I am just in > asking > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > In the absence of such an example, one gets the feeling that it > is > > > not > > > > worth its while to quote stanzas. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Mk Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath , > > > > > > > > > > Your question was amounting to whole vedic astrology i should do > > in > > > > > mail session which is not possible ,so i reminded u of guru > sisya > > > ,any > > > > > one who teaches or gives knowledge is guru in indian context.But > i > > > > dont > > > > > want that title . > > > > > > > > > > Even u urself know its not possible tru mail sessions ,as no > chart > > > is > > > > > similar . > > > > > > > > > > So cant do a crash courses here .which we both may get crashed ... > > > > > > > > > > THis question was a common question and it deserves only common > > > > answers > > > > > ..I know who is hitting near bush to get a reading and not > ,which > > i > > > > cant > > > > > fall for it . > > > > > > > > > > So i keep answers to the level of their question and avoids over > > > > > smarties . > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick and polite reply. I do also agree that > the > > > > > slokas are not ultimate rules. There are several of exceptions > to > > > > > certain rules. For example > > > > > > take kuja dosha or punarphoo dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless a proper research is done on each rule, it will not be > > > ideal > > > > > for us to proclaim the rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is therefore concluded that no research is done on many > rules > > > > > before they are being circulated by us. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall endeavour to join the research group, if not already a > > > > member. > > > > > > > > > > > > Meantime, I have not understood the " guru-sishya " . I have only > > > asked > > > > a > > > > > query for the posting done by you, which there is no such a > > > > relationship > > > > > commences. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > dear viswanath ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanxs for showing interest .But u shud understand that i > never > > > > > declared > > > > > > as guru and u as my sisya .I hav a discussion grp u r welcome > > with > > > > > > charts were we can discuss abt it .Because of time constraints > i > > > > > cannot > > > > > > post my reserch work ( its a natural process in many cases > ,need > > > not > > > > > sit > > > > > > and reserch )also along when ever i post a accepted jyothish > > > > > principles > > > > > > ..Offcource lagnesh in 4th if its sani it wont qualify for > this > > > like > > > > > in > > > > > > Amitabh bhachhan or adarniya swargiya sri B V raman chart ( > both > > > > cases > > > > > > sani in 4th house i assume ) ,in Harivash rai bhachan chart > sani > > > in > > > > > 5th > > > > > > house ( own house ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > so exceptions are there ,so u pls look for charts in future > and > > > come > > > > > out > > > > > > with ur diffrnce of arguments and u r welcome ,but i dont want > > to > > > > > > discuss here .U can post it in the reserch grp of ours . > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > </> > > > > > > > > > > > > where u and me are memebrs and we r discussing reserching in > > past > > > > > almost > > > > > > 2 yrs on various aspects of astrology and we r after the lost > > > > > principles > > > > > > and even over used and unneccessary principles which crept > into > > > > > > astrology and trying to giv a new directions for students and > > > gurus > > > > as > > > > > > that grp has no self declared gurus or any pro or anti to any > > > > schools > > > > > > unless its tally with ancint rishi horas . > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope u understand . > > > > > > > > > > > > so u r welcome > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > on shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , MK Viswanat > > > > > > astrologervishy_nair@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thans a lot for quoting the stanza from chmatkar chintamani > > > > > indicating > > > > > > the diseases attriuted to Saturn's placement in 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your point of view and efforts shall be definitely > appreciated > > > by > > > > > one > > > > > > and all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it would have been ideal, when one quotes from ancient > > > > granthas, > > > > > > if an example chart is augmented by it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, the slokas are correct in general. But planetary > > > > > positions > > > > > > are different always and it is unique in each case. Hence in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > support the said rule, please be good enough to narrate an > > example > > > > > from > > > > > > your meticulous and immaculate research work, if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your views on the suggestion and your reply on the subject > is > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With warm Regards > > > > > > > MK Viswanat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Name is ego ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know u r in what mission .If u hav some GPS system ( > > > grand > > > > > > > pa's secret system ) pls come out with a reserch which i > > > requested > > > > > so > > > > > > > many times ,may be i can say this is 100th request .I agree > u > > > can > > > > > post > > > > > > > anything and u r eligible for it as a democratic forum and > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > moderation and even sex links are coming .So why cant u post > > > > > anything > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U say always some exucuse like its in our paramapara and my > > > grand > > > > > > > father teached me .but being a practising astrologer i never > > > find > > > > it > > > > > > > true .Even i discussed with u many times .But u said i will > > come > > > > out > > > > > > > with my reserch .No where when ever we discuss in any chart > ( > > > > which > > > > > i > > > > > > > keep on reminding u ,see here ur dictum is not working ) in > > > forums > > > > i > > > > > > > find its working . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see this frm chamatkar chintamany ( of naryana > bhattathiri > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chathurthe sanou paitrikam yati dhooram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanam ,mandiram ,bandu vargapavada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pitruschapi mathuscha santapakari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahe vahane haanayo, vata rogi . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > {if some one has sani in 4th house (sukha stana) he will > lose > > > the > > > > > > > property ,money and houses given by father or he cant enjoy > it > > > > ..The > > > > > > > relative may talk bad abt him or he will cause bad name for > > them > > > > ..He > > > > > > > will cause sorrow for father and mother,his will loose his > > house > > > > > ,his > > > > > > > vehicles and livestock also get destroyed .And he may end up > > as > > > a > > > > > > > ruematic patient .} > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is the general results and we hav to see the sani and > > other > > > > > > effects > > > > > > > tru 10 kinds of calculations it strenght to predict complete > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sani can giv good results only when he is exalted there that > > > also > > > > if > > > > > > > sarpa yoga is there again doubt full . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i dont know ,u as if religiously come every 2 months frm > > some > > > > > > hiding > > > > > > > and keep on repeating some thing as if u take some contract > to > > > > > destroy > > > > > > > vedic astrology concepts . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only sani ,any malefic including ur favrite rahu even if > > in > > > > > kumbha > > > > > > > rasi its bad only . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect ur reserch paper which u already promised me > till > > > > then > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > spread corrupted theorys in already corrupted vedic > astrology > > > ,we > > > > > had > > > > > > > enough filth to clear off . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Tatvam-Asi > nameisego@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in 4th sukha sthana will not destroy sukha.On the > > > > contrary, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > will increase sukha,will give good service for a > living.Don't > > > > > worry.Be > > > > > > > happy thatJupiter is not in4th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ssriram1977 ssriram1977@ wrote: > > > > > > > > fourth house called as house of happiness.if a malefic > like > > > > saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > present what is the remedy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 In last 3 or 4 yrs we r seeing u r wisdom <u say that u r an astrologer and cant understand how some astrologer shud write cautiously avoiding free prediction seekers ( guerilla methods ) as u were never into it .U never given any predictions .Other than seeking future customers >And showing self important by comments to make other know u r alive ur anger and reasons for provoking me is well understood 1) where did u participate in any constructiv discussion 2) where did u do any article to illuminate others . 3)U said i will try to join the grp when i mentioned as if u r hearing in first time ( which itself showing ur ego ) were as u r many times cautioned against senting business mails in grp and many times ur business promoting mails were continously rejected 4) if i lack wisdom then why u requested my articles for publishing in some journal ?? 5) so ur hidden agenda was not that i wrote some basic rules ( where it suits to logik as malefics destroys the bhava signifaications esp sukh bhava ) but u took as an opportunity to provoke me which u hav done many times and i avoided 6) yesterday i took the day as its astrologicaly an important day ,can u tell me why i took the day ?? 7) u r frustrated tho saying too much yrs in astro other than face saving mails at the cost of provocating others . 8) u said if planet is not connected to roga bhava then a person will not hav roga its the last joke i hav ever seen in my life continue ur mission as u r not well versed with vedic astrology principles and this is my last mail to u All the best to u . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > I think you are driven by anger and no wisdom. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Sir I will answer all your questions if the stanza is coupled with minimum one example. In the past also you brought about bandana yoga, when I asked about one example, you went back. Here also you are asking me to come to the back-side of the house (anothergroup) for you to give an answer. I treat this as vague. My contention is just simple. Let me repeat it When a rule is brought out, please give sufficient examples. Otherwise do not bring it out and confuse people. Once we have an agreement on this, the other points will be answered judiciously by me. If there is anything wrong on my end, I do not hesitate to correct me. All said and done everyone is master of his decision and you have the right to say and do what you want. But I am justified in my point. When I said you are driven byanger, you started showing maturity. Regards Mk Viswanat sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: In last 3 or 4 yrs we r seeing u r wisdom <u say that u r an astrologer and cant understand how some astrologer shud write cautiously avoiding free prediction seekers ( guerilla methods ) as u were never into it .U never given any predictions .Other than seeking future customers >And showing self important by comments to make other know u r alive ur anger and reasons for provoking me is well understood 1) where did u participate in any constructiv discussion 2) where did u do any article to illuminate others . 3)U said i will try to join the grp when i mentioned as if u r hearing in first time ( which itself showing ur ego ) were as u r many times cautioned against senting business mails in grp and many times ur business promoting mails were continously rejected 4) if i lack wisdom then why u requested my articles for publishing in some journal ?? 5) so ur hidden agenda was not that i wrote some basic rules ( where it suits to logik as malefics destroys the bhava signifaications esp sukh bhava ) but u took as an opportunity to provoke me which u hav done many times and i avoided 6) yesterday i took the day as its astrologicaly an important day ,can u tell me why i took the day ?? 7) u r frustrated tho saying too much yrs in astro other than face saving mails at the cost of provocating others . 8) u said if planet is not connected to roga bhava then a person will not hav roga its the last joke i hav ever seen in my life continue ur mission as u r not well versed with vedic astrology principles and this is my last mail to u All the best to u . vedic astrology , MK Viswanat <astrologervishy_nair wrote: > > I think you are driven by anger and no wisdom. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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