Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Dear Mr. Ash, Whenever a person says that it is his own experience or he got a particular methodology from parampara , this is a point where all arguments ends. This is also in the field of all branch of knowledge. Please remember , I am not disputing your technique. I am only trying to place the technique which is helping me to predict in a better way. Regards,  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA ashsam73 <kas Thursday, 15 May, 2008 7:40:58 PM Re: Ayanamsa Dear Mr Goel, I have repeated this in the past and am saying this again, that this is not MY AYANAMSA. This is an ayanamsa that has been coming though our Parampara. Just as you say that D60 is past life, and I remember, that on KN Rao's list, there was a discussion between Narasimha and KN Rao, and this topic came up, and KN Rao just asked in 1 line, where is it given that D60 = past life and in the next email the reply came back, that it was based on PARAMPARA. Now, what is the concrete scientific justification of the same. There is none, and there can be none except what has been taught by the safeguarders of the parampara. The same is the case, with the value of 24th Feb 366 AD. Infact, there was another person, I can't recollect his name and he wrote the date that he found also as 24th Feb 366 AD and also was surprised that I said, thats the EXACT value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. Bhasins ayanamsa is also close and even BV Raman in his later years started to move much away from Lahiri. Do u mean to say that all these persons were shooting in the dark and working on some whim and fancy? Another thing, and this is common sense atleast to me, is on what basis was an ayanamsa tested? If you take KAY (Krushna's ayanamsa) value and then start to use your own technique of past life, MOST DEFINITELY u might not get encouraging results, and that is because, your system to test might be different or maybe some secrete from your parampara that might not be disclosed as yet, which when you learn u might find the proper result. Taking an example Just take this example that was given in a recent discussion. 18th Nov 1971 2:55 AM 8N29 76E55 Trivandrum. Marriage Date = 24th Feb 2008. Krushna's Ayanamsa = 22:34:23 As 11 Vi 59 Su 2 Sc 18 Mo 0 Sc 17 Ma 13 Aq 39 Me 23 Sc 20 Ju 19 Sc 52 Ve 23 Sc 28 SaR 11 Ta 7 Ra 16 Cp 24 Ke 16 Cn 24 KAS Ashtakavarga Power (Which is fixed for this chart, and cannot be manipulated) (therefore 2 astrologers who work on this chart, will get EXACT same BASE to work from - THEN AND ONLY THEN can value of Ayanamsa be tested) (Kidding - Otherwise, you can jump to D60 and then justify anything based on past life :-) that is the get out clause in my opinion) Concrete Methodology which is repeatable in ALL charts. Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 1 47 19 20 28 27 21 23 29 2 23 18 24 19 19 24 20 24 3 26 16 14 14 14 12 13 14 4 27 12 8 8 19 16 20 17 5 25 13 9 20 14 13 20 10 6 26 19 32 29 24 23 22 30 7 29 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 8 28 21 20 24 25 19 16 32 9 20 20 14 28 21 27 30 26 10 27 9 17 13 13 13 15 15 11 30 19 20 19 20 27 20 35 12 29 21 17 22 21 24 25 22 Now as per the LAW's of KAS, Happy Marriage will take place in 4th lord antra or 12th lord antra or highest power planet. For 7th house it can be seen in NO UNCLEAR TERMS Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 that the highest power planet is GURU with 18 points. Now antra running at that time was Mahadasha = Mercury Antra = Guru Sectors = Sector 1 2006-Jul-27 2007-Apr-29 Sector 2 2007-Apr-29 2008-Jan-30 Sector 3 2008-Jan-30 2008-Nov-01 So on 30th January 2008 the 3rd sector started. Since there is delay in the marriage, so the marriage will happen in 3rd sector. (This is also a fixed law all given in lessons on http://krushna. sageasita. com) Now after 30th January 2008, the next step is to narrow the event further is the use of TRANSIT OF SUN. Sa and Mo 23-Jan 05-Feb Sa and Ma 06-Feb 18-Feb Sa and Ra 19-Feb 03-Mar As per the LAWS OF KAS, when SUN TRANSITS POWERFUL SIGNIFICATOR THE EVENT IS TRIGGERED. So after 30th January, Sun was transitting sign of Sa and nak of Mo and it can be clearly seen that the value of Moon is less Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 16 11 7 14 18 16 15 Anything over 12 is considered powerful. So the first powerful transit of sun was from 19th feb to 03 march 2008 and Marriage happened on 24th Feb 2008. Infact, the Moon changes sign if u use Krushna's ayanamsa v/s Lahiri. The LAGNA SAV goes from 41 to 47 and Mo goes to Scorpio as compared to Libra. Everything changes, the ashtakavarga changes, SAV changes. Now, if you have such concrete methodology, then there is some justification to TEST AN AYANAMSA. KAS is giving us the proper methodology and concrete steps that are REPEATABLE in ALL charts, with proper approach to find DELAY IN EVENT. Now coming to finding the formula, its better to talk to someone, who has done more research in Ayanamsa, trying to find out exactly. You will find that Mr Chandra Hari is finding a value that is Lahiri + 40 mins, you are finding based on your calculation based on your technique the value of Lahiri - 57 SECONDS. Mr Raman's value is approx Lahiri - 1.x. Now, please, use your best judgement, that a man so learned as Mr Raman, or Mr Bhasin or the likes of that, also many Astrologers around Kashi and in Rajasthan are using values which are in the vicinity of about 1 minute or less than Lahiri. About the claims that you have found concrete value of ayanamsa, that maybe so, but then u must take this up with people who have done more research like Mr Chandra Hari, who's value is Lahiri + 40 mins wheareas your value is Lahiri - 57 seconds. So its very obvious that there is some MAJOR problem in some FUNDAMENTALS here. So, making a long story short, the true test of any ayanamsa will be when 1) One has concrete methodology and rules to find the result. If that is varying, anything can be justified. 3) From experience based on the tools that EACH ONE USES. In Conclusion I would like to say, that KAS has given the WOLRD OF JYOTISH, a concrete methodology, and proper power of planets can be gauged, and that will BE THE SAME IF 2 ASTROLOGERS WERE TO CAST THE CHART, with a set of FIXED RULES, using Ashtakavarga, which has been propounded by Parasara and also references are made by the greats of Varahamira and Saravali and Jataka Parijata etc etc, which is to REMOVE ALL CONTRADICTIONS. The value of ayanamsa that has come as per the teaching of Krushnaji and Parampara is 24th Feburuary 366 AD and KAS system PROVES is and based on FIXED SET OF RULES which would be same for ALL ASTROLOGERS. This affirms my faith, that earlier everyone was saying that Lahiri is proper and were swearing by it, and today, it makes me smile to see that atleast now a value which is lahiri - 57 seconds so nearly 1 minute less has begun. So, in due course of time, u can mark my words, that the world will come to the value of 24th Feb 366 AD i.e. the value of Krushna's Ayanamsa. I hope my point is clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Mr. ASH, > I TRIED TO ADOPT YOUR AYANAMSA , the results are not encouraging. > More over I could not find any convincing scientific justification of Ayanamsa value propagated by your > group. > I am personally not against any Ayanamsa value , but it should have solid astronomical basis. > We should ,first of all , define parameters for obtaining Ayanamsa value. > The definition of Citra Pakchhaya Ayanamsa is as follows: >  TROPICAL LONGITUDE OF STAR CITRA ( SPICA 16) = AYANAMSA+180degree > According to Lahiri's Indian Ephemeris ,2008, Sidereal longitude of Star Citra is 179deg. 59' 04 " , > as such I suggest to use Lahiri's Ayanamsa after deducting 57 sec. for present era. > Kindly go through my article on " concept of Vargottama " in which number of examples are illustrated based on this principle. > Regards, > >  G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > Check out the all-new face of India. 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