Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I think the remedies do work provided the methodology is correct and provided by an expert astrologer who is pure and spirtually of high level and both astrologer and the person asking for remedies must have strong  faith in the remedy given.We cannot say that ancient astrologers like Prasahar ,Varahmihir and others  could not know the details of modern day diseases so could not provide remedies for such diseases. Also that they were ignorant about pluto , neptune etc . so remedies can not be provided . You have already mentioned that Kaal Purush rules can provide details about diseases as such more research can be done taking lead from what is in the ancient texts. It is a fact that there are a number of view points as per expertise of different astrologershowever we must admit although it is regarded as a divine science no serious research has been done as was done by ancient astrologer despite limitations. to day we have computers facilities for large data analysis can be done but except a few individuals no serious attempt has been made as no Asrological Research INInstitution    There is no reason that a astrologer should not tell a client not to consult a doctor. The astrological remedies can work side by side and will help in curing a person much faster and effectively. I think with my little knowledge and experience , I have seen people improving. the remedies provided by expert astrologer has --- On Tue, 12/8/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: [vedic astrology] Efficacy of remedies vedic astrology Cc: " Sn Ap " <paaschatya Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 4:20 AM Dear SNA,  You are correct when you quote " I presume most of Hindu astrology as it is practiced today is based on great works by sage Parashara, Jaimini and others of yore. I understand that most of these great works have astrological principles along with prescriptive remedies. "  The sickness listed then by them are out dated when diagnoised in detail, except to areas said by them under 'Kalapurusha' rules. Kalapursha rules are eternal and fundamental, while in years it does not restrict expansion within these rules. We did not have Neptune, Uranus and Pluto defined by those sages. Later authors had included these 'Planets' and identified their 'functions' also more recently. Medical cures changes. The planetary interpretations by various authors changes. Then, we still continue to say that prescribed rituals will cure the sickness.  To be frank with you, I am a strong believer of Hindu religious codes and I think I had gone to many segments in depth,- name it- for great study under great scholars. All these are to be experimented to get convinced by one as he follows them. In many cases I could not get convinced. When you take a dip in Ganges and claim that you are completely 'pure' still I am sure you are not. Why? Inside your body you till carry the polluted and uncleaned 'stuff', could not be removed and sanctified. So we say we are pure, while we carry 'impure' stuff in us. A man is listed pious, while he has all the bad social order motivated elements in his mind and could act any time. So from that day he will not be pious.  Similarly, I have wall full of Gods. Which God will cure my sickness. You recommend one method and religious act. How one could be sure about that recommendation. But a sickness cannot wait. Then the other alternative is look for an efficient doctor - no matter what religion he believes -with experience and knowledge to attend to that sickness, while the person pray to God to help him to cure the sickness.  I am subject to correction and many would draw swords to chop my head. I believe in what I had reasoned out and I do not attempt to bring others into my line of thinking. In other words, I do not 'impose' these on others. I practice Astrology with fervor and dedication to the principles, except suggesting remedies.  A.V.Pathi,                                   \      Sn Ap <paaschatya > vedic astrology Monday, August 11, 2008 3:05:01 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Efficacy of remedies Dear Venkatachala Pathi ji,  Sincere thanks for your insightful postings. Reading your postings is a learning experience.  On your observations on generally prescribed remedies: without getting too much into the philosophical aspects such as " influencing God " or rationalizations such as " psychological cures " , I have a humble question. I presume most of Hindu astrology as it is practiced today is based on great works by sage Parashara, Jaimini and others of yore. I understand that most of these great works have astrological principles along with prescriptive remedies. When one believes in the principles and could correlate real life situations to the principles, one would also tend to give credence to the remedies. I would appreciate your comments.  The question of remedies for non-Hindus is really interesting. The Hindu astrology draws significantly from the Karma theory, concepts of aatma/reincarnation and is tightly coupled with a whole bunch of beliefs, values, dieties, etc. So a person with no connection to any of these starts performing japa of some mantra with no clue about the presiding deity, would that be of any use at all? This may be a topic suitable for research.  Warm regards, SNA --- On Wed, 8/6/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: [vedic astrology] Response requested from Pathi Ji vedic astrology Cc: " umeshrajesh72 " <umeshrajesh72@ .co. in> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:59 AM Dear  Rajesh ji:  Thank you for your complements on my article : Rahu - Ketu.  I see lot of postings by eminent astrologers in this group giving many 'remedies' to all, when they give 'readings of ' Birth Chart. They may be correct. Perhaps many would have benefited.  In my last 46 years in the field, none of my clients had ever succeeded to wade through the decided results from authentic astrological readings as per the ancient and developed/modern theorems and corollaries in this science.. My contention is, these prayers and other 'mental approaches' are mere psychological 'cures' for the movement. The Astrologer will get into the 'crowd' and get 'lost' while the persons 'affected ' will not be able to claim on him for no improvement in 'results', as they could get under 'carpet' saying the time of birth or data's must be wrong or you have NOT done the suggested 'rituals' correctly.  I differ from them, as along as they 'practice'; Astrology. Astrology, lights your path and helps you to mentally prepare to meet the 'inferences' NOT 'cure' through 'methods'. If methods can 'cure' then you do not have to know from Birth charts. It is like a father saying that his son will pass the exam for he had already taken care of the examiner! In other words, one 'could' possibly 'bribe' God - after knowing what will happen under astrological rules in his chart - and attempt to change his 'destiny'. I do not believe in this. All my clients know this. Then there will be no deaths. Either you believe in Astrological readings or believe in payers to change destiny. Either you believe the Doctor or you believe the compounder of Pharmacy!!!   I see clients from all religion in all parts of world, and nothing less than 100 to 150 persons mail me per day. I travel country after country in last 19 years. To find remedies, what will I tell them when they are not Hindus. The planets are effecting the refracted rays from Sun to all, and effects attributed results to such mix of radiations, while creating metabolism on individuals, (wherever they are) are same as per 'readings'. That is why we look to the place of birth before pronouncing the results from a Birth Chart.  I think I had said enough. I am sorry, I am unable to fall in line with some, to recommend 'remedies'.  Belief in God is a must for every individual, in any religion, in as much as you believe in your Mother or Father or Guru. But I do not believe that GOD could easily be 'influenced' to change HIS decision. Then He would loose the title of 'Omnipotent' .  I do not intend to hurt anyone at all.  My regards to all, along with respects to their believes.  Blessings.    A.V.Pathi,                                  \     ( Private readings are chargeable. Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ gmail.com)  umeshrajesh72 <umeshrajesh72@ .co. in> vedic astrology Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:41:11 AM [vedic astrology] Response requested from Pathi Ji Sometime ago there was a post from Mr venkatachala Pathi ji about the effect of Rahu and ketu. To be very honest the statements he made were precise and up to the mark atleast in my case. The sad part about that post was there was no solution or remedies which were suggested. I would appreciate if pathi ji gives some solutions in such posts. I have Rahu and Moon conjoint in capricon in my 4th house and mercury and ketu in my 10th house. I am libra ascendant and my rashi is makara rashi. I have Jupiter retrograde in the 3rd house (sag) and saturn in the 8th house, Venus in the 9th Mercury and ketu in the 10th and sun and Mars in the 11th. Is there any remedy to ensure that I make my mind strong and dont get too emotional and Obsessive. I am currently in Rahu mahadasha and Moon Bhukthi. 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Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008  Dear Venkatachala Pathi ji,  I think the remedies do work provided the methodology is correct and provided by an expert astrologer who is pure and spirtually high and both astrologer and the person asking for remedies must have strong  faith in the remedy given  .There is no reason that a astrologer should not tell a client not to consult a doctor. The astrological remedies can work side by side the medical alternatives including ayurvedic and yogic methods and will help in curing a person much faster and effectively. With my little knowledge and experience , I have seen people improving through the remedies provided by a number of astrologers.  We cannot say that ancient astrologers like Prasahar ,Varahmihir and others  could not know the details of modern day diseases so could not provide remedies for such diseases. Also that they were ignorant about pluto , neptune etc . so remedies can not be provided . You have already mentioned that Kaal Purush rules can provide details about diseases as such more research can be done taking lead from what is in the ancient texts. It is a fact that there are a number of view points as per expertise of different astrologers  however , we must admit although it is regarded as a divine science no serious research has been done as was done by ancient astrologers despite limitations of those times To day we have computer  facilities for large data analysis but except a few individuals no serious attempt has been made as no Asrological Research Institution  is there where research could be done on the ancient principles. Perhaps a lead can be taken by astrologers like you  in establishing  not the remedial measures but also predictive techniques regarding climate , earth quake predictions etc. so as to provide more authentication to this ancient Science.  Perhaps a holistic approach of combining various methodologies and research can lead to better service to the people.  Regards  SS Chandel   --- On Tue, 12/8/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: [vedic astrology] Efficacy of remedies vedic astrology Cc: " Sn Ap " <paaschatya Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 4:20 AM Dear SNA,  You are correct when you quote " I presume most of Hindu astrology as it is practiced today is based on great works by sage Parashara, Jaimini and others of yore. I understand that most of these great works have astrological principles along with prescriptive remedies. "  The sickness listed then by them are out dated when diagnoised in detail, except to areas said by them under 'Kalapurusha' rules. Kalapursha rules are eternal and fundamental, while in years it does not restrict expansion within these rules. We did not have Neptune, Uranus and Pluto defined by those sages. Later authors had included these 'Planets' and identified their 'functions' also more recently. Medical cures changes. The planetary interpretations by various authors changes. Then, we still continue to say that prescribed rituals will cure the sickness.  To be frank with you, I am a strong believer of Hindu religious codes and I think I had gone to many segments in depth,- name it- for great study under great scholars. All these are to be experimented to get convinced by one as he follows them. In many cases I could not get convinced. When you take a dip in Ganges and claim that you are completely 'pure' still I am sure you are not. Why? Inside your body you till carry the polluted and uncleaned 'stuff', could not be removed and sanctified. So we say we are pure, while we carry 'impure' stuff in us. A man is listed pious, while he has all the bad social order motivated elements in his mind and could act any time. So from that day he will not be pious.  Similarly, I have wall full of Gods. Which God will cure my sickness. You recommend one method and religious act. How one could be sure about that recommendation. But a sickness cannot wait. Then the other alternative is look for an efficient doctor - no matter what religion he believes -with experience and knowledge to attend to that sickness, while the person pray to God to help him to cure the sickness.  I am subject to correction and many would draw swords to chop my head. I believe in what I had reasoned out and I do not attempt to bring others into my line of thinking. In other words, I do not 'impose' these on others. I practice Astrology with fervor and dedication to the principles, except suggesting remedies.  A.V.Pathi,                                   \      Sn Ap <paaschatya > vedic astrology Monday, August 11, 2008 3:05:01 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Efficacy of remedies Dear Venkatachala Pathi ji,  Sincere thanks for your insightful postings. Reading your postings is a learning experience.  On your observations on generally prescribed remedies: without getting too much into the philosophical aspects such as " influencing God " or rationalizations such as " psychological cures " , I have a humble question. I presume most of Hindu astrology as it is practiced today is based on great works by sage Parashara, Jaimini and others of yore. I understand that most of these great works have astrological principles along with prescriptive remedies. When one believes in the principles and could correlate real life situations to the principles, one would also tend to give credence to the remedies. I would appreciate your comments.  The question of remedies for non-Hindus is really interesting. The Hindu astrology draws significantly from the Karma theory, concepts of aatma/reincarnation and is tightly coupled with a whole bunch of beliefs, values, dieties, etc. So a person with no connection to any of these starts performing japa of some mantra with no clue about the presiding deity, would that be of any use at all? This may be a topic suitable for research.  Warm regards, SNA --- On Wed, 8/6/08, venkatachala pathi <pathiav > wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Re: [vedic astrology] Response requested from Pathi Ji vedic astrology Cc: " umeshrajesh72 " <umeshrajesh72@ .co. in> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:59 AM Dear  Rajesh ji:  Thank you for your complements on my article : Rahu - Ketu.  I see lot of postings by eminent astrologers in this group giving many 'remedies' to all, when they give 'readings of ' Birth Chart. They may be correct. Perhaps many would have benefited.  In my last 46 years in the field, none of my clients had ever succeeded to wade through the decided results from authentic astrological readings as per the ancient and developed/modern theorems and corollaries in this science.. My contention is, these prayers and other 'mental approaches' are mere psychological 'cures' for the movement. The Astrologer will get into the 'crowd' and get 'lost' while the persons 'affected ' will not be able to claim on him for no improvement in 'results', as they could get under 'carpet' saying the time of birth or data's must be wrong or you have NOT done the suggested 'rituals' correctly.  I differ from them, as along as they 'practice'; Astrology. Astrology, lights your path and helps you to mentally prepare to meet the 'inferences' NOT 'cure' through 'methods'. If methods can 'cure' then you do not have to know from Birth charts. It is like a father saying that his son will pass the exam for he had already taken care of the examiner! In other words, one 'could' possibly 'bribe' God - after knowing what will happen under astrological rules in his chart - and attempt to change his 'destiny'. I do not believe in this. All my clients know this. Then there will be no deaths. Either you believe in Astrological readings or believe in payers to change destiny. Either you believe the Doctor or you believe the compounder of Pharmacy!!!   I see clients from all religion in all parts of world, and nothing less than 100 to 150 persons mail me per day. I travel country after country in last 19 years. To find remedies, what will I tell them when they are not Hindus. The planets are effecting the refracted rays from Sun to all, and effects attributed results to such mix of radiations, while creating metabolism on individuals, (wherever they are) are same as per 'readings'. That is why we look to the place of birth before pronouncing the results from a Birth Chart.  I think I had said enough. I am sorry, I am unable to fall in line with some, to recommend 'remedies'.  Belief in God is a must for every individual, in any religion, in as much as you believe in your Mother or Father or Guru. But I do not believe that GOD could easily be 'influenced' to change HIS decision. Then He would loose the title of 'Omnipotent' .  I do not intend to hurt anyone at all.  My regards to all, along with respects to their believes.  Blessings.    A.V.Pathi,                                  \     ( Private readings are chargeable. Please contact me in ID kountinya29@ gmail.com)  umeshrajesh72 <umeshrajesh72@ .co. in> vedic astrology Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:41:11 AM [vedic astrology] Response requested from Pathi Ji Sometime ago there was a post from Mr venkatachala Pathi ji about the effect of Rahu and ketu. To be very honest the statements he made were precise and up to the mark atleast in my case. The sad part about that post was there was no solution or remedies which were suggested. I would appreciate if pathi ji gives some solutions in such posts. I have Rahu and Moon conjoint in capricon in my 4th house and mercury and ketu in my 10th house. I am libra ascendant and my rashi is makara rashi. I have Jupiter retrograde in the 3rd house (sag) and saturn in the 8th house, Venus in the 9th Mercury and ketu in the 10th and sun and Mars in the 11th. Is there any remedy to ensure that I make my mind strong and dont get too emotional and Obsessive. I am currently in Rahu mahadasha and Moon Bhukthi. 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