Why Vaishnavas Insult Shaivaites

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Shivaism and Vishnuism as they appear in modern India differ in

various ways

but most importantly in one principal area: Vishnuites worship Lord

Vishnu

as Supreme Lord and Shivaites worship Lord Shiva as Supreme Lord.

There are

some Shivaite sects who recognize Lord Vishnu's superior position but

it is not the case of Vaishnavites. They call Lord Shiva Jagadisha

(Lord of the

Universe), whereas Vaisnavas Lord Vishnu as

He is the True Lord of the Universe.

 

This attitude of the Vaishnavities is highly offensive to Lord

shivaites, Followers of Iskcon have gone one step forward by making

vague comments on Shiva, Ganesha and other Hindus Gods. You accept

that Shiva is the greatest devotee of Vishnu (Parama Bhagavata

Uttama). You quote the scripture also in this context (Vaishnavanaam

Yatha Sambhuh). In such case, a follower of Vishnu who insults Lord

Shiva must be ashamed, since he is contradicting the very philosophy

of the original preacher of his own Vaishnava cult. The scriptures

also say that Krishna worshiped Lord Shiva and also

Narayana worshiped Lord Shiva on the mountain of Meru. The scripture

also says that Lord Vishnu became Mohini and became the wife of Lord

Shiva and gave birth to Sashta. Therefore, it is foolish to fight

with each other without understanding the preachers and the various

forms of the same God. Narayana means the source of divine

knowledge. This

word indicates only Parabrahman. The knowledge is not the inherent

sign of the unimaginable God (Parabrahman). God is only the source

or basis for the knowledge. This is indicated by the word Narayana.

Shiva means auspicious without any second impurity. God being the

absolute truth is one without second and therefore, becomes the

purest entity.

Purity is the auspicious quality (Shiva). The Veda also says that

Shiva is one without second (Advaitah Shivah). Rudra means the God,

who punishes the sinners and make them weep (Rodayati iti Rudrah).

If you recognize the concept of unimaginable God and the energetic

forms as media, you will be clear. I appreciate you for having come

to the

height of the human incarnation (Manusheem Tanum Asritam - Gita).

You will come to the final point of the divine knowledge, if you

accept the existence of human incarnation in every generation by

following

the same Gita.

 

 

A year back when I was on a trip to Bangalore, i made a visit to an

Iskcon Temple in Bangalore (Mind you their are two temples divided

on two different vaishnava Ideology). However, i made a visit to a

visit to smaller temple known as Puri Jaganath temple in an interior

locality. I came across a group of women discussing greatness about

vaishnavism, Krishna bhakti etc., Seated at a corner, one middle

aged women approached me and introduced herself as Shamabhavi. She

inquired about me and I introduced myself and told her that I am on

a visit to India and am learning about the Greatnes of both

Vaishnavism and Shavism. Without giving time any room she started

her discourses from Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavtham. She kept on

talking about Vaishnavism and at the regular intervals spitting

venom on Shaivism. Inspite my disinterest in her subject, she kept

pouncing with her over sub-dued knowledge, she did not have mercy on

me and kept speaking. I was so upset with the way she kept making

derogatory remarks on Lord Shiva and his consort Goddess Shakti,

Even other Gods like Muruga, Ganeshji were not spared. It was

indeed offensive on her part to insult Shiva and her followers by

stating that they are followers of Maya who will never attain

liberation. When I lost my patience, i interrogated her like, like

what authority does she possess or Iskcon have to blasphemy other

gods? She felt perplexed, and subsequently, she kept saying that

Krishna is Supreme and others are Demi-gods and we should not pray.

It did not stop her their. She quoted from a Iskcon Text " that all

followers of Iskcon were natural Brahmins and are sure to attain

liberation on the judgement day " . However when I put the same

question in an affivermative manner about Shaivties, she

remarked " They cannot attain liberation " .

Despite hearing all nonesense from that middle aged lady who already

claims that Vaishnava Heavens are at Doorstep, i could only feel

pity on her ignorance and arrogance what in sanskrit is known as

Aaankhar. I was no mood to argue with that lady very soon we

exchanged greetings and our contact numbers, I left the place.

However if someone wishes to give that lady some lessons of Both

vaishnavism and Shaivaism, you may contact her on 0091 80 23369779,

her name is . Shamabhavi.

 

That was the only number she has provided me at that time

 

 

In this spiritual ladder, the Iskcon is a conservative Hinduism. They

believe only one past human incarnation like conservative Christians

who believe Jesus only. In this stage the development of their

aspects

shall be done by generalizing the same God in all the past human

incarnations through Universal Spirituality (Krishna, Buddha, Jesus

etc.,). They should also extend such generalized concept to the

present human incarnation also. You can apply the philosophy of

Advaita to all the human incarnations instead of all the human

beings.

Just like the same soul (Pure awareness) exists in all the human

beings, similarly the same unimaginable God exists in all the human

incarnations. The same concept can be applied to a specified group of

energetic forms like Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva etc. Only such divine

specific energetic forms are equal since the same unimaginable God

exists in all those specified energetic forms. You should not

generalize this concept to all the energetic forms like Indra, Vayu

etc. Such concept will remove the misunderstanding in the followers

of

Ramanuja and Madhva who feel that only one energetic form

'Narayana' (Vishnu) is God. I am amazed to see this conservative

concept even in the formless aspect of God! The Brahman of Hindus,

the

Jehovah of Christians and Allah of Muslims are formless. But still

they fight with each other even in this formless aspect of God. That

means they are differentiating the formless air as Hindu air,

Christian air and Muslim air! At least we can excuse the difference

in

the forms of God, since the external forms differ. Krishna and Jesus

differ in the external forms and the unity is only in the internal

God. I assuredly tell you that you will not get the final salvation

unless you are liberated from this conservative bond. What is the use

of liberation from all the bonds except one bond? You are relieved

from the ties of several ropes but if one tie of rope still exists,

you cannot be declared as the completely liberated soul.

 

 

 

You say that Krishna generated Rudra to mislead some devotees in the

spiritual path. Krishna is a recent incarnation whereas Rudra exists

even before the birth of Krishna. It is said in Bhagavatam that

Krishna did penance for Lord Shiva. If you say that Narayana is fixed

in Lord Vishnu only as a word of Yoga Rudha, then we can also fix

words like Shiva, Ishwara, Maheswara etc., in Lord Rudra as words of

Yoga Rudha. In Gita spoken by Lord Krishna, the words like Ishwara

and

Maheswara exist in the place of God (Ishwara Sarva Bhutanam,

Mayinamtu

Maheswaram, Karta Bhokta Maheswarah etc.,). This means your Lord

Krishna Himself accepted that Lord Rudra is God. In the Veda, the

word

Eesha is used to mean God in the beginning of Eesavaasya Upanishat.

 

Shankara diverted atheists who were demons to become theists only. He

did not mislead any soul from good to bad. God always tries to uplift

the souls but does not mislead any soul. But He was constrained by

limitations. The standards of atheists cannot be raised suddenly from

ground to sky in which case they will go back. In the view of such

psychology, Shankara dragged them up to some distance, which is the

maximum extent in their case. Above that there is the danger of

fatigue. He purposefully told that soul is God so that the atheist is

attracted by His native ambition and at least accept the existence of

God. You say that such trick of Shankara as misleading the soul! In

that case, the mother who gives food to her child by stating that the

moon will come down if the child eats the food is also fraud and

cheating the child! Shankara and Ramanuja know the spiritual

knowledge

from beginning to end because both are the incarnations of the same

God. Shankara introduced that much part of the truth which alone can

maintain the receivers. More than that will end in the total damage.

This is not the fault of Shankara. It is the limitation of standards

of the then atheists to whom only Shankara had to preach.

 

When Ramanuja came the situation was better. He handled the believers

in God. He separated God from the soul. He showed God in the

energetic

form called as Narayana. He could not introduce the human incarnation

(Krishna) because the theists could not digest the human form of God

at that time. Up to this everything is correct in view of the then

existing standards of the receivers.

 

 

You say that simple theoretical devotion is sufficient to please God

and you quoted a verse from the Gita (Satatam keertayantah...). What

about other verses which praise the practical devotion like the

sacrifice of work and fruit of work? Even in your verse, you have not

understood the meaning of " Yatantascha Drudhavratah " . The word

Yatantah means practical effort (Purusha Prayatna). The word

Drudhavratah is associated with this word, which means that the

practical effort comes only by firm determination.

 

 

PRAJWAL PRABHU

 

MAURITIUS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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