Guest guest Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Hare Rama krishna Dear All - Thanks Goelji for your reply. So What would AK mean in navamsa and how is it different from AK in D20 ? How does one study the relationship between Rasi and varga karakas. Say Sa is PK in Rasi and AK in Navamsa. How to understand this. On one hand Parashara says that vargas can be studied independently and on other vargas are nothing but derived from rasi . Everyone please thow in light on this Regards, Subbu sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > A planet besides being Char Karka has to play many > other roles.These roles will also be properly understood and evaluated. > > A char karka(s)  indicate the level of sustenance provided by > the relatives like father son mother wife etc in the life of native ,where as > sthir karka indicate the level of Aristha (malefic happening in the life of these > relatives) As such , in char karka replacement help from a relation is depleted > and sthir karka which replaces char karka , indicate the malefic happening in > the life of that relative represented by sthir karka. > Once this basis is clear , one can apply this principle in respective Varga charts > accordingly. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Dear Saumy, Ak rahu will be replaced by AMK Mercury. Amk will vanish and its place will be taken by Jupiter but as sthir karka This may bring change in your professional carrier.. Rahu is main AK , and Mercury will not replace it but act as its subordinate and perform duties of AK. When ever Rahu WILL get strengthen(as in its ruling year etc), Rahu will also show its affect. Rahu /Mercury combination require caution. Regards.  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger./win/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Hare Rama krishna Dear All - I dont think my posting was clear. We all know how AK in Navamsa decides karakamsa etc. What i was referring to is AK of navamsa kundli . Say in navamsa chart Sa has longest degree then it becomes AK of that varga chart, although it may be BK in Rasi chart. What will such charakaraka for each respective divisional chart mean. I also noticed that in charts of many jyotish guru , we see a charakaraka replacement in D9. If you use Jhora and change longitudes to D9 you can get longitudes of D9. Please enlighten us Regards, Subbu sohamsa , " Subbu " <ice_fire007 wrote: > > Hare Rama krishna > > Dear All - > > Thanks Goelji for your reply. So What would AK mean in navamsa and > how is it different from AK in D20 ? > > How does one study the relationship between Rasi and varga karakas. > Say Sa is PK in Rasi and AK in Navamsa. How to understand this. On > one hand Parashara says that vargas can be studied independently and > on other vargas are nothing but derived from rasi . > > Everyone please thow in light on this > > Regards, > > Subbu > > sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > A planet besides being Char Karka has to play many > > other roles.These roles will also be properly understood and > evaluated. > > > > A char karka(s)  indicate the level of sustenance provided by > > the relatives like father son mother wife etc in the life of > native ,where as > > sthir karka indicate the level of Aristha (malefic happening in the > life of these > > relatives) As such , in char karka replacement help from a relation > is depleted > > and sthir karka which replaces char karka , indicate the malefic > happening in > > the life of that relative represented by sthir karka. > > Once this basis is clear , one can apply this principle in > respective Varga charts > > accordingly. > > Regards,G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Om Gurave Namah Dear Subbu, Namaste You were saying: "I also noticed that in charts of many jyotish guru , we see a charakaraka replacement in D9. If you use Jhora and change longitudes to D9 you can get longitudes of D9." No, this is not to be done with Navamsa chart. Have you ever tried to calculate Navamsa chart by yourself without help of JHora? There is one thing about divisional charts generally: there is no longitude (degrees) for grahas in divisional charts. Let me try to explain. Let's say Sani is on 24deg. 56min. of Karka rasi and it is AK (we observe all this in Rasi chart). One navamsa is 3 deg 20min, so this means that Sani is placed in 8th navamsa of Karka rasi. Placement in Navamsa chart means only placement (in this case 8th rasi from Karka is Kumbha) in certain rasi by calculation. So this means placement in Kumbha rasi in navamsa, but there are no degrees. So far what I know about chara karaka replacement is that what refers on rasi chart, meaning: in natural age of maturation graha with lower longitude replaces graha on higher longitude. Let's say in example above there is AmK Sukra on 24deg. 25min. Natural age of maturation for Sukra is 25-26th year of life. This means that Sukra takes place of Sani at this age of native and becomes AK. Yet placement of AK in Navamsa chart is of most importance for determining Ishta Devata and some other significant results which AK brings in life of native, and in this example described as above, all this should be determined from Sani even after 26th year of life (but I must add that I am only 80% sure in what I am writing in this paragraph. I can only guarantee 100% for Ishta Devata). There is one more "catch" about chara karaka replacement. In this example I was mentioning replacement between AK and AmK. When AmK takes place of AK, we should examine how sthira karaka is placed. AmK is related to profession, so we should look at Budh and how it is placed. If it is strong, than career will not suffer and vice versa. Your question is very good but it seems to me, only from this specific angle: if Budha is not well placed, meaning not strong enough to take place of AmK, than I think it is very important to observe placement and lordships of all 3 grahas in divisional charts. I see point only in this, but I could be wrong. Maybe there is another "catch" about this in divisional charts. Anyway, I hope that this can be of some help. Regards, Maja Hari Om Tat Sat --- On Tue, 10/14/08, Subbu <ice_fire007 wrote: Subbu <ice_fire007 Re: Char KARKA Replacementsohamsa Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 7:58 AM Hare Rama krishna Dear All - I dont think my posting was clear. We all know how AK in Navamsa decides karakamsa etc. What i was referring to is AK of navamsa kundli . Say in navamsa chart Sa has longest degree then it becomes AK of that varga chart, although it may be BK in Rasi chart. What will such charakaraka for each respective divisional chart mean. I also noticed that in charts of many jyotish guru , we see a charakaraka replacement in D9. If you use Jhora and change longitudes to D9 you can get longitudes of D9. Please enlighten us Regards, Subbu sohamsa@ .com, "Subbu" <ice_fire007@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama krishna > > Dear All - > > Thanks Goelji for your reply. So What would AK mean in navamsa and > how is it different from AK in D20 ? > > How does one study the relationship between Rasi and varga karakas. > Say Sa is PK in Rasi and AK in Navamsa. How to understand this. On > one hand Parashara says that vargas can be studied independently and > on other vargas are nothing but derived from rasi . > > Everyone please thow in light on this > > Regards, > > Subbu > > sohamsa@ .com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > A planet besides being Char Karka has to play many > > other roles.These roles will also be properly understood and > evaluated.> > > > A char karka(s)  indicate the level of sustenance provided by> > the relatives like father son mother wife etc in the life of > native ,where as > > sthir karka indicate the level of Aristha (malefic happening in the > life of these > > relatives) As such , in char karka replacement help from a relation > is depleted > > and sthir karka which replaces char karka , indicate the malefic > happening in> > the life of that relative represented by sthir karka.> > Once this basis is clear , one can apply this principle in > respective Varga charts > > accordingly.> > Regards,G.K. GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger. / invite/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Dear Subbu Thats a very brilliant question. In fact that is the answer to the question of *validity of using degrees in vargas* and some have even suggested starting different vimsottari dasa for each varga based on these degrees! These are loud thoughts of some but they are not valid. Therefore the basic presumption that the vargas must have degrees and that these degrees are based on the mapping of the varga to a sign, and that this can be used for all pusposes is wrong. Even if mapping is logically possible for degrees as in special systems, their extensions to all other paradigms cannot be made. In simpler words, there cannot be a different atmakaraka for the navamsha chart Best Wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Subbu 14 October 2008 20:28 sohamsa Re: Char KARKA Replacement Hare Rama krishna Dear All - I dont think my posting was clear. We all know how AK in Navamsa decides karakamsa etc. What i was referring to is AK of navamsa kundli . Say in navamsa chart Sa has longest degree then it becomes AK of that varga chart, although it may be BK in Rasi chart. What will such charakaraka for each respective divisional chart mean. I also noticed that in charts of many jyotish guru , we see a charakaraka replacement in D9. If you use Jhora and change longitudes to D9 you can get longitudes of D9. Please enlighten us Regards, Subbu sohamsa , " Subbu " <ice_fire007 wrote: > > Hare Rama krishna > > Dear All - > > Thanks Goelji for your reply. So What would AK mean in navamsa and > how is it different from AK in D20 ? > > How does one study the relationship between Rasi and varga karakas. > Say Sa is PK in Rasi and AK in Navamsa. How to understand this. On > one hand Parashara says that vargas can be studied independently and > on other vargas are nothing but derived from rasi . > > Everyone please thow in light on this > > Regards, > > Subbu > > sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > A planet besides being Char Karka has to play many > > other roles.These roles will also be properly understood and > evaluated. > > > > A char karka(s)  indicate the level of sustenance provided by > > the relatives like father son mother wife etc in the life of > native ,where as > > sthir karka indicate the level of Aristha (malefic happening in the > life of these > > relatives) As such , in char karka replacement help from a relation > is depleted > > and sthir karka which replaces char karka , indicate the malefic > happening in > > the life of that relative represented by sthir karka. > > Once this basis is clear , one can apply this principle in > respective Varga charts > > accordingly. > > Regards,G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 There is a typo *spatial* for special sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath 15 October 2008 11:48 sohamsa RE: Re: Char KARKA Replacement Dear Subbu Thats a very brilliant question. In fact that is the answer to the question of *validity of using degrees in vargas* and some have even suggested starting different vimsottari dasa for each varga based on these degrees! These are loud thoughts of some but they are not valid. Therefore the basic presumption that the vargas must have degrees and that these degrees are based on the mapping of the varga to a sign, and that this can be used for all pusposes is wrong. Even if mapping is logically possible for degrees as in special systems, their extensions to all other paradigms cannot be made. In simpler words, there cannot be a different atmakaraka for the navamsha chart Best Wishes Sanjay Rath sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Subbu 14 October 2008 20:28 sohamsa Re: Char KARKA Replacement Hare Rama krishna Dear All - I dont think my posting was clear. We all know how AK in Navamsa decides karakamsa etc. What i was referring to is AK of navamsa kundli . Say in navamsa chart Sa has longest degree then it becomes AK of that varga chart, although it may be BK in Rasi chart. What will such charakaraka for each respective divisional chart mean. I also noticed that in charts of many jyotish guru , we see a charakaraka replacement in D9. If you use Jhora and change longitudes to D9 you can get longitudes of D9. Please enlighten us Regards, Subbu sohamsa , " Subbu " <ice_fire007 wrote: > > Hare Rama krishna > > Dear All - > > Thanks Goelji for your reply. So What would AK mean in navamsa and > how is it different from AK in D20 ? > > How does one study the relationship between Rasi and varga karakas. > Say Sa is PK in Rasi and AK in Navamsa. How to understand this. On > one hand Parashara says that vargas can be studied independently and > on other vargas are nothing but derived from rasi . > > Everyone please thow in light on this > > Regards, > > Subbu > > sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > A planet besides being Char Karka has to play many > > other roles.These roles will also be properly understood and > evaluated. > > > > A char karka(s)  indicate the level of sustenance provided by > > the relatives like father son mother wife etc in the life of > native ,where as > > sthir karka indicate the level of Aristha (malefic happening in the > life of these > > relatives) As such , in char karka replacement help from a relation > is depleted > > and sthir karka which replaces char karka , indicate the malefic > happening in > > the life of that relative represented by sthir karka. > > Once this basis is clear , one can apply this principle in > respective Varga charts > > accordingly. > > Regards,G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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