What is Lagna? (followup questions)

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II hraum namah adityaya II

 

 

 

 

Dear Sundeep , Namaskar

 

 

1. First house is house which

sign is rising on the horizon.

Simple as that.

2. Person in Satva guna enjoys auspicious objects of senses, the

benefics in satwa guna shows the highest standart of enjoyment with

quality of sat, cit and ananda, while benefics in rajo guna has always

frustration on the end because this substance of hapiness is lacking of

knowledge about real nature of enjoyer (ie. atma). To enjoy tamo guna

substances with jnanendriyas person must be in tamoguna and this cause

diseases (Srimad Bhagavatam 11 canto).If You dont know what is good

emotion then I cant help You further.

3. I propose to You articcle written by Visti Ji "Jnana Yoga" on his

site. Lagna is reactive inteligence, something like default attitude,

Paka Lagna shows applied or active inteligence where You make a choice,

where You interact with people and surrounding. Mercury shows ability

to learn and ask question while Jupiter shows learnin skills and memory

(everyone remember discussion between Sanjay Ji and Narasimha Ji about

this). Fifth bhava shows Viveka per Sarwartha Cintamani and other

classics, third bhava shows Guruupadesa and Gurubhay, it also shows our

arsenal - so like what we have in hands - this will show our values

(aspect on ninth) but that has nothing to do with topic in straight

way. I agree with You WORDS ARE VERY IMPORTANT IN JYOTISH therefore its

good to memorize phrases used by person who has contemplated the topic.

Affliction to Lagna can makes one seeing flying pigs, while affliction

to fifth makes that one things he is Hitler or very important

personality. So second is connected to discrimination.

4. Bandhana on Lagna decrease lifespan so Vargotam make it stronger.

Vargotam of element means that this will be related to all

signification of first bhava like health, fame etc. Longevity is

counted from first, eigth (or fifth) and tenth - therefore Vargotama

Lagna is like strong or blessed Lagna.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz,

www.rohinaa.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vedicastrostudent napisał(a):

 

 

Dear Rafalji,

 

Thank you for your reply. In general, while I have definitely got

some pointers, I am still quite unclear and I hope you can elaborate

a bit.

 

Specifically:

1) When you say that Parasara defines Lagna with respect to sign, do

you mean that he has a separate definition somewhere else that

defines what is the "first" house in the chart? "First" house

is "first" with respect to what? Wherever he explicitly or

implicitly implies that the Lagna point is always in the "First"

house, he *must* essentially be implying Lagna defines the house

system. Unless he explicitly or implicitly indicates otherwise. Does

he? Does the Lagna just happen to be in the first house, or does it

define the first house as the one that contains it?

 

2) When you say Malefic and Benefic relates to the emotions in

creates in the mind, I find that interesting, because you have given

the mind as a clue. But then, in a way pass the problem onward,

when you say "emotion is good or bad, *a priori*". Meaning what?

It's like saying malefic and benefic, a priori. Without proof?

That's what the question was to begin with.

 

3) When you say Lagna is individual intelligence, personality and

reactive intelligence, frankly speaking I am unsatisfied. I feel that

somewhere the link has been lost between the original statements in

Sanskrit and what comes through in English. Perhaps you can

elaborate to make me understand since you have the distinction clear

in your mind. In English, the word intelligence generally only means

analytical ability: the ability to find underlying *common patterns*

in *seemingly* unrelated situations, problems etc. In all the

varying definitions you will find, what I have just mentioned is the

essential underlying import. First, is this what you mean when you

use the word "intelligence"? Second, this is a rather broad

definition - I have seen the word intelligence being used for:

Lagna, Paka Lagna, Mercury, Jupiter, 3rd house, 5th house, and I

strongly suspect they mean slightly or greatly different things each

time, and I want to know what. Answering the following question will

help you clarify what you mean by intelligent in this context: If a

person has a strong Lagna but weak Mercury, weak 3rd house and lord,

weak 5th house and lord, weak Jupiter, then exactly what type

of "individual intelligence" does the strong Lagna confer on the

native?

 

4) If Lagna is not *at any level* the "will to live", then how

exactly does vargottama Lagna confer long life. In Sanjay Rathji's

Atri lectures I think, I remember hearing or (mis?)understanding

that vargottama means some inherent quality that is sure to

manifest. Why would long life be inherent with Lagna then? Perhaps,

rewording my original thought, Lagna is "will to play out its

karma", which in a way is a precursor to "will to live"?

 

Thank you very much in advance,

 

Sundeep

 

>

> 1. Lagna is a point where the sign is rising on the horizon.

Parasara

> defines it as Rasi not as Bhava.

> 2. Malefic / benefic is naisargik definition and related to mind,

> therefore good and bad emotions, it relates to mind.

> 3. Will to live comes from 3H from AK, while Lagna shows

inteligence -

> medium which hears the mind and make the choices based on whole

spectrum

> called Linga Sarira.

> 4. Lagna is individual inteligence, personality and reactive

> inteligence. While Atma is described by Atmakaraka. Surya is

Sarvatma.

> 5. Functional malefic is funny term. Maraka has nothing to do with

 

> naisargik and tatkalik division. Dont divide grahas for temporal

> benefic/malefic as the chart can change whole thing. Be holistic.

> 6. Malefic refers to emotions they create. Its called Krura

grahas,

> similar term. Emotion is good or bad apriori, but the usage,

motive and

> level is based on lordship, CK and Varga. Still its only

generalization.

> 7. Parasara talks also about Uttama, Madhyama graha's where Ketu

is in

> the upper group, Guna is also completely other classification and

refers

> to mobility and direction - try Gita 14,17,18 chapters.

>

> This is of course only one way to see these things..

>

>

>

> -------------------------

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> Regards,

> *Rafal Gendarz,*

> www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com>

>

>

> vedicastrostudent napisa?(a):

> >

> > Dear all,

> > Seemingly stupid question: "What is Lagna"? I dont really

want to

> > know what the Lagna *influences*, but what it inherently

*is*.

It's

> > definitely not the physical body because then Lagna would

have no

> > meaning in higher charts. What quantity or entity does it then

> > signify? Since vargottama Lagna indicates long life, Lagna

could

> > mean inherent life "force" i.e. the inner "will" to live.

Since

> > Lagna is what determines Bhavas or houses (because without

it,

there

> > are just grahas in various rashis, there is no concept of

numbered

> > houses), there is definitely something which implies

individuality

> > in there. So it could be the inherent "fire of individuality"

> > within? But then, how is different from the Atma?

> >

> > This line of thinking originated because I started trying to

define

> > in my mind "What is a malefic?". So I thought, a malefic has

to

be a

> > malefic *in relation to something*, right? So, a *functional*

> > malefic is a malefic to the Lagna. But a functional malefic

is a

> > maraka only if it is in the 2nd or 7th not otherwise.

> >

> > Of course, I am still left with the original question too -

What

is

> > a natural malefic? What is it malefic *to*? There may be

malefics

> > with saatwik guna, and there are benefics with rajasik guna,

so

its

> > not their inherent guna either.

> >

> > Any and all inputs are appreciated. Hope these questions are

not

too

> > basic for such a forum - please ignore if they are.. If there

is

> > something very basic I'm missing, please point me to it and

I'll

> > read it up..

> >

> > Thanks much,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> >

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