Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " . ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do " bad karma " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mindsohamsa Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hare Ram Krishna Dear Michal, If we are looking at buying a built up house or flat, shouldnt we be taking only Ketu as the karaka. It will be useful if someone can post how a house was purchased looking at the dasa/gochar/karak. Regards Sharat - Michal Dziwulski sohamsa Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:39 PM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind >sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna ||Dear Jyotisha's,Namaskar,May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native hasa potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautifuldecorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixedproperty ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general.4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts sodefnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4thhouse something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.Thanks in advance.Best Regards,Jim.P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do badkarma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind > sohamsa Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Sharat,Often the purchase of a house and property coincide. This would certainly make timinig a bit more difficult as what would one look for - combinations from Ketu or combinations from Mars?Of course if it is just an apartment in a building we look at Ketu, or if it is a bare piece of land then we look at Mars.Can you try to time when I bought a property - it is just a bare piece of land with no buildings on it.My birth details: 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland (+2)Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Sharat <gidocsohamsa Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:15:51 AMRe: Buying a Car or a landed property. Hare Ram Krishna Dear Michal, If we are looking at buying a built up house or flat, shouldnt we be taking only Ketu as the karaka. It will be useful if someone can post how a house was purchased looking at the dasa/gochar/ karak. Regards Sharat - Michal Dziwulski sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:39 PM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >sohamsa@ .comTuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna ||Dear Jyotisha's,Namaskar,May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native hasa potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautifuldecorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixedproperty ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general.4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts sodefnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4thhouse something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.Thanks in advance.Best Regards,Jim.P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do badkarma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. Bored stiff? Loosen up...Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property.I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify.Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Rafal Gendarz <starsuponmesohamsa Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AMRe: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..   Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> sohamsa Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa.  Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com  Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Dear Rafal Guru,Michal and Sharat, Namaskar, The discussion is becoming more interestring investigating me to do more research. One thing is sure , my chart doesnt have potention to buy (WHY) Mangal Maharaj is in dusthana from 4H. Will churn more and come back. Best Regards, Jim. sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar > ------ > My replies: > > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the > native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like > here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own > country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, > experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is > seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and > from Natal. > 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many > people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga > so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered > me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. > > > ------ > Regards, > *Rafal Gendarz,* > www.rohinaa.com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from > > the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - " what > > with native (Lagna) ? " - can you please explain? > > > > What do you mean by " bringer of property " ? How many people have > > property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go > > after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not > > always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts > > spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the > > Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a > > property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. > > can wait for later. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > > sohamsa > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM > > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with > > native (Lagna) ? > > 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind > > of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. > > 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards, > > *Rafal Gendarz,* > > www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): > >> [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > >> > >> Dear Jim, > >> > >> It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the > >> position of Mars from the 4^th house which governs property to see > >> whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, > >> dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12^th is good for property as it is > >> in the 9^th house from the 4^th . > >> > >> What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be > >> acquired is seen from the 4^th house from Mars. 2^nd property will > >> be seen from the 6^th from the 4^th from Mars and so on for each > >> property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and > >> Venus for vehicles. > >> > >> > >> Respectfully, > >> > >> Michal > >> > >> > >> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > > >> sohamsa@ .com > >> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM > >> Buying a Car or a landed property. > >> > >> || Hare Krishna || > >> > >> Dear Jyotisha's, > >> Namaskar, > >> > >> May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has > >> a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful > >> decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " . > >> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. > >> > >> I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed > >> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > >> 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so > >> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? > >> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th > >> house something similar to this. > >> > >> Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. > >> > >> Thanks in advance. > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> Jim. > >> > >> P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > >> karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. > >> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do " bad karma " > >> > >> > >> > >> ------ > >> Be a PS3 game guru. > >> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > >> Games. <http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http://videogames.> > > > > > > ------ > > The fish are biting. > > Get more visitors > > <http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsore\ dsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> > > on your site using Search Marketing. > > <http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http://searchmarketing./arp/sponsore\ dsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..   Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> sohamsa Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa.  Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com  Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti, Rafal,Sorry, but I have to play the skeptic for a moment, perhaps only for the sake of clarifying things in my own chart. I have lived in many flats/apartments - Sun and Mars are in the 4th from Ketu in Aries. I have never recieved any help from Father, brothers, government, police etc. to find a place to live, nor have these things dominated or even influenced my experience. 7th lord from Venus is Mars, again with Sun in Aries. Again neither a brother or a father brought forth my wife. 4th lord from Venus is Sun, but I have bought many cars, and never with a father or a brother. I could go on. What am I missing here?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <vistisohamsa Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:00:16 AMRe: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately) . For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007  Hare Ram Krishna Dear Visti, Namaskar I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property: This will probably need to be applied to D4. Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'. In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. Does that make sense? Regards Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, NamaskarGood example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat.Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies:1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu.2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats.4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.comMichal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Rafal,Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property.I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify.Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>sohamsa Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AMRe: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >sohamsa@ .comTuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna ||Dear Jyotisha's,Namaskar,May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native hasa potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautifuldecorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixedproperty ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general.4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts sodefnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4thhouse something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.Thanks in advance.Best Regards,Jim.P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do badkarma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" Be a PS3 game guru.Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting.Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Rafal and Visti, Namaste Please include me. For easy reference, my D 4 is included. Rasi 4th is afflicted/cursed as always referred to, by Mangal and Rahu. How much land, how many houses and whose help? (Visti, the 1st and 2nd one you know, so please carry on from the 3rd etc) Love, Swee Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal <sohamsa > Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT) <sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Visti, Rafal, Sorry, but I have to play the skeptic for a moment, perhaps only for the sake of clarifying things in my own chart. I have lived in many flats/apartments - Sun and Mars are in the 4th from Ketu in Aries. I have never recieved any help from Father, brothers, government, police etc. to find a place to live, nor have these things dominated or even influenced my experience. 7th lord from Venus is Mars, again with Sun in Aries. Again neither a brother or a father brought forth my wife. 4th lord from Venus is Sun, but I have bought many cars, and never with a father or a brother. I could go on. What am I missing here? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Visti Larsen <visti sohamsa Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:00:16 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately) . For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com <visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com <http://srigaruda.com> Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - " what with native (Lagna) ? " - can you please explain? What do you mean by " bringer of property " ? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " . ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. 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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal, Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th    in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and  linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties.  2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems – debilitated moon ( also AK and  Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti  , Ketu. QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then  real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn)  acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property?  Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem? I guess 1 good thing I have discovered  is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . J With Best Wishes Rosemary sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m. sohamsa Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.   Hare Ram Krishna Dear Visti, Namaskar I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property: This will probably need to be applied to D4. Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'. In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. Does that make sense? Regards Sharat - Visti Larsen sohamsa Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa.com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - " what with native (Lagna) ? " - can you please explain? What do you mean by " bringer of property " ? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> sohamsa Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " . ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do " bad karma " Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 om krishna guru. dear rosemary, Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place . Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc.> > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties.> > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems â€" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord).> > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-)> > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > >  > > Hare Ram Krishna> > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works.> > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4.> > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat.> > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat.> Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher.> > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. <http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu.> 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats.> 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property.> > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify.> > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later.> > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar> > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa.> > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim,> > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles.> > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property.> > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful> decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general.> 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad> karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. <http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogames.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors <http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. <http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, " Vipareetam Ketoh " Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay POn 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary, Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place . Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , " rf.innes-jones " <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems � " debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - " what with native (Lagna) ? " - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by " bringer of property " ? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " .> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do " bad karma " > > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 ||Hare Ram Krishna|| Dear Sanjay, Can you please say how to predict the timing of this event..will you not have to use the relevant arudha as well. Regards Sharat sohamsa , "Sanjay Prabhakaran" <sanjaychettiar wrote:>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Dear Jyotishas,> "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in> reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at.> For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th> house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for> elder siblings kaaraka.> Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far> distance to meet her.> > Warm Regards> Sanjay P> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, Namaskar Agree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Jyotishas,  "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary,                   Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place .      Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds  sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal, > > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu. > > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem? > > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes > > Rosemary > > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat > Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m. > sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti, > > Namaskar > > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property: > > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'. > > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense? > > > > Regards > > Sharat > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa ..com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM > > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. > When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. > > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it? > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar > > > _____ > > > My replies: > > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. > 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. > > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz, > > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > Dear Rafal, > > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? > > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? > 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. > 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz, > > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > > sohamsa@ .com > Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM > Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna || > > Dear Jyotisha's, > Namaskar, > > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has > a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". > ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. > > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed > property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so > defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? > Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th > house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. > > Thanks in advance. > > Best Regards, > Jim. > > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. > Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" > > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Michal, Namaskar Good inference. Do you have a brother at all? As for your chart, the Sun is exalted and joined the Arudha lagna in your chart, so in fact the attainment of the FIRST apartment/home is because of the father leaving. See that Uccha Sun in AL yoga working? Even in my chart i looked at the yoga, so you should too. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Michal Dziwulski wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Visti, Rafal, Sorry, but I have to play the skeptic for a moment, perhaps only for the sake of clarifying things in my own chart. I have lived in many flats/apartments - Sun and Mars are in the 4th from Ketu in Aries. I have never recieved any help from Father, brothers, government, police etc. to find a place to live, nor have these things dominated or even influenced my experience. 7th lord from Venus is Mars, again with Sun in Aries. Again neither a brother or a father brought forth my wife. 4th lord from Venus is Sun, but I have bought many cars, and never with a father or a brother. I could go on. What am I missing here? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> sohamsa Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:00:16 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately) . For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..   Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa.  Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com  Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Dear Visti, Sorry if i missed some posts and am asking for clarification. Do you consider fourth H from Ketu IN REVERSE /as SanjayP suggested/ applicable only to spiritual issues /otherwise only direct/? AnnaVisti Larsen <visti wrote: हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary,                   Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place .      Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds  sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> It's here! 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Guest guest Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 [ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Visti,No biological brothers.My father left when I was 8, long before I looked for an apartment. I would concede that my father not being there influenced many of my major decisions in life albeit indirectly. However this is something different to my father bringing me an apartment or car or what about wife?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]Visti Larsen <vistisohamsa Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:56:51 AMRe: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Michal, Namaskar Good inference. Do you have a brother at all? As for your chart, the Sun is exalted and joined the Arudha lagna in your chart, so in fact the attainment of the FIRST apartment/home is because of the father leaving. See that Uccha Sun in AL yoga working? Even in my chart i looked at the yoga, so you should too. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com Michal Dziwulski wrote: [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Visti, Rafal, Sorry, but I have to play the skeptic for a moment, perhaps only for the sake of clarifying things in my own chart. I have lived in many flats/apartments - Sun and Mars are in the 4th from Ketu in Aries. I have never recieved any help from Father, brothers, government, police etc. to find a place to live, nor have these things dominated or even influenced my experience. 7th lord from Venus is Mars, again with Sun in Aries. Again neither a brother or a father brought forth my wife. 4th lord from Venus is Sun, but I have bought many cars, and never with a father or a brother. I could go on. What am I missing here? Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> sohamsa@ .com Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:00:16 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Rafal, Namaskar Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately) . For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. Easy isn't it? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. com Rafal Gendarz wrote: II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar My replies: 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Rafal, Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> sohamsa@ .com Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. II hraum namah adityaya II Dear Michal , Namaskar 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz, www.rohinaa. com Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): [ Hare Rama Krsna ] Dear Jim, It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. Respectfully, Michal [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] ----- Original Message ---- vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > sohamsa@ .com Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM Buying a Car or a landed property. || Hare Krishna || Dear Jyotisha's, Namaskar, May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th house something similar to this. Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Jim. 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Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti Why only spirituality? There is spirituality even in eating food...it all depends on a view of life. You have Ketu in Capricorn and you said 4th from it is Aries, and so your father got the house for you.... I have a different take on this issue. The reason for your house coming is SPOUSE as you got the house because you were going to get married and that is how Venus got the house for you...maybe this is ALSO right Sanjay P has a point to make and this is worth examining. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday, March 22, 2007 9:12 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary, Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place . Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Guruji, Thank you for your reply. If this (vipareetam ketu) depends on ones view of life/marga (refer your second sentence), then spirituality is not necessarily in eating food as it would depend on the person who is eating. If you meant something else then please correct me. So, If Ketu brought a flat with the intention of getting me married 1.3 years after is ALSO right, then are we at all talking about getting a flat or are we talking now about sukha in matters of spirituality (tenth from Ketu)? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Rath wrote:    +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti Why only spirituality? There is spirituality even in eating food...it all depends on a view of life. You have Ketu in Capricorn and you said 4th from it is Aries, and so your father got the house for you.... I have a different take on this issue. The reason for your house coming is SPOUSE as you got the house because you were going to get married and that is how Venus got the house for you...maybe this is ALSO right Sanjay P has a point to make and this is worth examining. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA]  sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:12 PM sohamsa Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, Namaskar Agree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC Guru Jaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Jyotishas,  "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her. Warm Regards Sanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary,                   Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place .      Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds  sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal, > > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu. > > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem? > > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes > > Rosemary > > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat > Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m. > sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti, > > Namaskar > > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property: > > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'. > > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense? > > > > Regards > > Sharat > > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa ..com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM > > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities. > When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat. > > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it? > > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru > Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com > For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar > > > _____ > > > My replies: > > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal. > 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us.. > > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz, > > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > Dear Rafal, > > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain? > > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully, > Michal > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. > > II hraum namah adityaya II > > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ? > 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4. > 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz, > > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ] > > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ] > > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ > > sohamsa@ .com > Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM > Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna || > > Dear Jyotisha's, > Namaskar, > > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has > a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car". > ALso timing related to that may be useful to me. > > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed > property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so > defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ?? > Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th > house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance. > > Thanks in advance. > > Best Regards, > Jim. > > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward. > Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma" > > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti It is the Nimitta that we are looking for in Jyotish. An event is to happen, and it will but this event is also linked to other people, things and events that becomethe Nimitta or harbinzer in a way for the other events in a Four-D matrix. Ketu is moksha karaka as well as griha karaka. If we are to look at a house as an investment property, then surely we are alking about 4th house from Ketu, but *Home sweet Home* is another issue altogether as emotions, sleep, prayers and living come into the picture and here Ketu is like Ganesha, providing the door for a good life. Then are we not going to take the Viparitam Ketu into account? It is not important whether one meets the spouse before or after the house...one becomes a Nimitta for the other as Venus is the lord of the 4th (counted in reverse) from Ketu. In my chart Ketu is exalted in Sagittarius and the 4th from it is Jupiter in Pi which has to do with investment property but Home is always Virgo, the 4th reckoned in the reverse. Mars in 7th will indicate Hanuman, so Hanuman will give me shelter, home, prayer place and sleep. Hanumukha siddhirastu... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenTuesday, March 27, 2007 6:55 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Guruji,Thank you for your reply. If this (vipareetam ketu) depends on ones view of life/marga (refer your second sentence), then spirituality is not necessarily in eating food as it would depend on the person who is eating. If you meant something else then please correct me. So, If Ketu brought a flat with the intention of getting me married 1.3 years after is ALSO right, then are we at all talking about getting a flat or are we talking now about sukha in matters of spirituality (tenth from Ketu)? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Rath wrote:  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti Why only spirituality? There is spirituality even in eating food...it all depends on a view of life. You have Ketu in Capricorn and you said 4th from it is Aries, and so your father got the house for you.... I have a different take on this issue. The reason for your house coming is SPOUSE as you got the house because you were going to get married and that is how Venus got the house for you...maybe this is ALSO right Sanjay P has a point to make and this is worth examining. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday, March 22, 2007 9:12 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary, Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place . Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 |om| Dear Sanjay, pranaams Ketu is the headless body and hence not affected by the Earth's rotation. So why should we change the reckoning depending on whether we consider it as the moksha karaka or griha karaka? best regards Hari On 27 Mar 2007 21:11:11 -0700, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti It is the Nimitta that we are looking for in Jyotish. An event is to happen, and it will but this event is also linked to other people, things and events that becomethe Nimitta or harbinzer in a way for the other events in a Four-D matrix. Ketu is moksha karaka as well as griha karaka. If we are to look at a house as an investment property, then surely we are alking about 4th house from Ketu, but *Home sweet Home* is another issue altogether as emotions, sleep, prayers and living come into the picture and here Ketu is like Ganesha, providing the door for a good life. Then are we not going to take the Viparitam Ketu into account? It is not important whether one meets the spouse before or after the house...one becomes a Nimitta for the other as Venus is the lord of the 4th (counted in reverse) from Ketu. In my chart Ketu is exalted in Sagittarius and the 4th from it is Jupiter in Pi which has to do with investment property but Home is always Virgo, the 4th reckoned in the reverse. Mars in 7th will indicate Hanuman, so Hanuman will give me shelter, home, prayer place and sleep. Hanumukha siddhirastu... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Dear Sanjay, Thanks for sharing this significant piece of knowledge. Your example clarifies deeper issue of 4thH nicely, "property" and "home" are indeed very different,so it makes sense to be reckoned differently- I didn't know that before your post. Plus, the older I get, the more I appreciate 'home' over 'property'./And your explanation of nimitta is great, simple yet deep/ In your chart you look at Ju /in 4th dir/ and mars /in 4th backward/. When either is unoccupied you look at the lord, right? So in my chart /Cn lagna, ketu in leo, Venus in MKS in 6th, Moon In Scorpio/ Moon is the property and Venus is 'home':fourth from Ketu is empty-house Taurus, Venus in Sag. /in Ke naksatra/ . How would you read this? Home is generally more difficult to get/establish than mere possession of property. Will Venus give me 'home' - soul retreat, despite its 'deadly' placement? Will Mars in fourth, lord of fourth FROM KETU have its say? Would you please clarify this for me? Regards, AnnaSanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti It is the Nimitta that we are looking for in Jyotish. An event is to happen, and it will but this event is also linked to other people, things and events that becomethe Nimitta or harbinzer in a way for the other events in a Four-D matrix. Ketu is moksha karaka as well as griha karaka. If we are to look at a house as an investment property, then surely we are alking about 4th house from Ketu, but *Home sweet Home* is another issue altogether as emotions, sleep, prayers and living come into the picture and here Ketu is like Ganesha, providing the door for a good life. Then are we not going to take the Viparitam Ketu into account? It is not important whether one meets the spouse before or after the house...one becomes a Nimitta for the other as Venus is the lord of the 4th (counted in reverse) from Ketu. In my chart Ketu is exalted in Sagittarius and the 4th from it is Jupiter in Pi which has to do with investment property but Home is always Virgo, the 4th reckoned in the reverse. Mars in 7th will indicate Hanuman, so Hanuman will give me shelter, home, prayer place and sleep. Hanumukha siddhirastu... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenTuesday, March 27, 2007 6:55 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Guruji,Thank you for your reply. If this (vipareetam ketu) depends on ones view of life/marga (refer your second sentence), then spirituality is not necessarily in eating food as it would depend on the person who is eating. If you meant something else then please correct me. So, If Ketu brought a flat with the intention of getting me married 1.3 years after is ALSO right, then are we at all talking about getting a flat or are we talking now about sukha in matters of spirituality (tenth from Ketu)? Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Rath wrote:  +om gurave namah+ Dear Visti Why only spirituality? There is spirituality even in eating food...it all depends on a view of life. You have Ketu in Capricorn and you said 4th from it is Aries, and so your father got the house for you.... I have a different take on this issue. The reason for your house coming is SPOUSE as you got the house because you were going to get married and that is how Venus got the house for you...maybe this is ALSO right Sanjay P has a point to make and this is worth examining. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday, March 22, 2007 9:12 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property. हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥ Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home. So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here. Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote: || Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: om krishna guru. dear rosemary, Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place . Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also . thanks regds sunil nair . om shreem mahalaxmai namah. sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Sent: Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>> Never miss an email again! 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