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Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visti

What do you mean by <Ganesha Chakra of Kala Chakra > ? You mean derection or some thing else ? Would you kindly explain ?

Thanks in Advance.

Karu

 

 

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Friday, March 23, 2007 2:41 AM

[sPAM] Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

 

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home.

So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comFor consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P

On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

om krishna guru.

dear rosemary,

Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place .

Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also .

thanks

regds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones" <rf.innes-jones wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - > > Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ < sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) < visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisaÅ‚(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - "what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com>

> > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad karma"> > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.> > > > > > > > _____ > > > The fish are biting.> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50> on your site using Search Marketing. < http://us.rd./ evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>>

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हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Karu, Namaskar

There are two chakras, the Skanda/regular one from Aries to Pisces and

the Ganesha/irregular one from Scorpio to Sagittarius (with some

reversals along the way).

Hope this helps.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

--

 

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

Karu wrote:

 

 



 

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visti

What do you mean by <Ganesha

Chakra of Kala Chakra > ? You mean derection or some thing else ?

Would you kindly explain ?

Thanks in Advance.

Karu

 

 

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हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

 

Dear Sanjay, Namaskar

Agree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is

vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha

chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu

rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home

just karma... the world is our home.

 

So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here.

 

Yours sincerely,

--

Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

Jaimini SJC - Denmark

email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com

 

 

Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear Jyotishas,

  "Vipareetam Ketoh" Is a JUS.  For Ketu you can try to count 4th in

reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. 

For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in

4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is

also for elder siblings kaaraka.

Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far

distance to meet her.

 

Warm Regards

Sanjay P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

om krishna guru.

dear rosemary,

                   Pls

be kind enough to supply your  birth details with coordinates and place

..

      Also gurujan  pls

discuss sale of property also .

thanks

regds   sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai

namah.

 

sohamsa , "rf.innes-jones"

<rf.innes-jones wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

>

>

> Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,

>

> Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 (

Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th

house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All

three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money

in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in

navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts,

vehicles etc.

>

> However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash

resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was

found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked

to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi

4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish

always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties.

>

> 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden

expensive problems �" debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars

in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance

companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and

Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful

8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord).

>

> Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.

>

> QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers (

Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus

and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and

purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending

court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent

property?

>

> Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu

being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?

>

> I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6

Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end,

meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children .

:-)

>

>

>

> With Best Wishes

>

> Rosemary

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of Sharat

> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.

> sohamsa

> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

>

>

>

>

>

> Hare Ram Krishna

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Namaskar

>

> I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point

in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply

this to my chart to see if it works.

>

>

>

> Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru,

Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:

>

> This will probably need to be applied to D4.

>

> Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up

property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which

does will signify 'bringing the flat'.

>

> In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is

Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus

Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence

he eventually brings the flat.

>

>

>

> Does that make sense?

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Sharat

>

>

>

>

>

> -

>

> Visti Larsen <visti

 

>

> sohamsa@ < sohamsa

..com

>

> Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM

>

> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

>

>

>

> हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

>

> Dear Rafal, Namaskar

> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way

of divining who is going to help us in various activities.

> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned

it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this

deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he

decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for

sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his

instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat.

> Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up

with my father being the real bringer of the flat.

>

> Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage

and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is

joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and

students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable

sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a

student of a co-teacher.

>

> Easy isn't it?

>

> Yours sincerely,

>

> --

> Visti Larsen - SJC Guru

> Jaimini SJC - Denmark

> email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <

visti com

> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. < http://srigaruda.com>

com

>

> Rafal Gendarz wrote:

>

> II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar

>

>

> _____

>

>

> My replies:

>

> 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to

the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place

(like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own

country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from

4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence

is seen from 4L from Ketu.

> 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from

Bhava and from Natal.

> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of

many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja

Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which

offered me houses/flats.

> 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Rafal Gendarz,

>

> www.rohinaa.

<http://www.rohinaa.com> com

>

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski napisał(a):

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Rafal,

>

> Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars

from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have

property.

>

> I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point -

"what with native (Lagna) ?" - can you please explain?

>

> What do you mean by "bringer of property"? How many people have

property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go

after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify.

>

> Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and

not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts

spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the

Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a

property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can

wait for later.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

> Rafal Gendarz starsuponme

> sohamsa

> Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM

> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

>

> II hraum namah adityaya II

>

> Dear Michal , Namaskar

>

> 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with

native (Lagna) ?

> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it.

Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.

> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Rafal Gendarz,

>

> www.rohinaa.

com < http://www.rohinaa.com>

 

>

>

>

>

>

> Michal Dziwulski napisał(a):

>

> [ Hare Rama Krsna ]

>

> Dear Jim,

>

> It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the

position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see

whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good,

dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in

the 9th house from the 4th.

>

> What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be

acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be

seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property.

In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for

vehicles.

>

>

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Michal

>

>

>

> [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]

>

>

>

>

>

>

> vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >

> sohamsa@ .com

> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM

> Buying a Car or a landed property.

>

> || Hare Krishna ||

>

> Dear Jyotisha's,

> Namaskar,

>

> May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native

has

> a potential to buy "Landed property" or better way is "Beautiful

> decorative good looking spacious house" or a "Car".

> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.

>

> I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed

> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances

general.

> 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so

> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??

> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and

4th

> house something similar to this.

>

> Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Best Regards,

> Jim.

>

> P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do

bad

> karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.

> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do "bad

karma"

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> Be a PS3 game guru.

 

> Get your game face on with the latest PS3

news and previews at Games. < http://us.rd./evt=49936/*http:/videogame s.>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> The fish are biting.

> Get more visitors < http://us.rd./evt=49679/*http:/searchmarketing./arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php?o=US2140 & cmp= & ctv=Q107Tagline & s=Y & s2=EM & b=50>

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Dear Visti, namaste

 

While I do not disagree with your comments regarding vipareetam ketoh in JUS, I think Sanjay P is right in pointing out its applicability when judging the actions of a karaka.

 

Its important to remember that Ketu is the headless body and thus not affected by the rotation of Earth. Thus for ANY matter whether spiritual or not, this dictum must apply and is easily one of Jaimini's most profound comments.

 

 

Teachings of Sanjay Rath reproduced below in this regard from Srijagannath forum:

 

"

Vipareetam Ketoh

Jaimini has clearly advised 'Vipareetam ketoh'

This has many uses and meanings depending on the context.

 

 

In the case of Narayana dasa where the ninth sign from the arambha rasi shall determine the direction os subsequent dasa, the presence of Ketu or Saturn can alter the direction as 'Forced reverse or forced direct' respectively. The ability of the Graha to do so is because of the relationship between the graha and the Satya peetha. The Grahas at their purest form are the incarnations of Vishnu and hence, their relationship with the signs and 'satya' gives them the ability to bring about this alteration - it is their power as the representation of the Vishnu avatar. To understand this, we must realise that every man is created in the mould of Visnhu and every woman is created in the mould of Lakshmi and hence in stri Jataka great emphasis is laid on examining the charts and planetary results from the 7th house. It is this satya that gives the graha the ability to alter the direction as it alters the nature of the mould by its presence in the houses of satya & dharma.

Arudha is nothing but a creation of Maya and is illusionary. The Graha has an influence on the argala due its own presence but how is this going to alter the world-view of the native? In the world view, all human beings travel as per the luminaries and their matters are seen from the houses reckoned from the Arudha Lagna. The wealth, co-born, income, expenses etc, are all from the Arudha and this is what they and the people believe to be true or the visible truth.

We see the Sun rise everyday in the east, rise to the midheaven and then gradually move towards and set in the west. We have become so used to the rotation of the earth that we do not realise that we are made to spin at a very high speed on the surface of the earth thereby losing our higher mental balance. Have you tried a merry-go-round, the one that kids jump onto and then the same spins at high speed. How dizzy that makes the mind. In a similar manner, the earth spin makes us dizzy, but we have got used to it as w do not know what it means to be without the spin. This apparant movement of the Sun in the sky makes us believe that the Sun is moving from the east to the west in the reverse or 'anti-zodiacal' fashion. Whereas, in reality, the Sun is static and the Lagna is moving zodiacally from the first house (East) to the seventh house (west) from the Sun. This apparant movement of the Sun caused due to a headless situation resulting from the spins effect on our intellect is called 'Vipareetam Gati' and is used in the Surya-Chandra-Rahu chakra. We tend to forget that the Sun is not the one that is rising and setting but it is the Lagna. Since Ketu is the headless planet, this apparant motion is attributed to it and is referred to as 'Vipareetam ketoh' by Jaimini Maharishi.

 

Ketu as a graha is headless and does not accept this truth. It is only through the process of education (Guru kripa) that Ketu realises that the truth is something else. This is the knowledge that Vishnu blessed Ganapati with when He gave Ganesha the head of the elephant. This is the knowledge of astronomy and the movement of the stars. Thus, realising the difference between the apparant truth and the real truth, Ketu became Ganesha (Gaja Mukha or with the head of an elephant and body of a human being) the patron deity of Jyotish as Vishnu became Ganesha's blessing or the Guru who teaches Jyotish. Similarly realising the other truths, Ketu becomes the four Veda Murti (Go Mukha or Kamadhenu - Rig Veda, Haya mukha or Hayagreeva -Yaur Veda, Aja mukha or Ajaikapada -sama veda and Markata mukha or Hanuman - Atharva veda). Thus Ketu has a dual role in any chart causing marriages for the sake of increase and growth of family 'kulasya unnatim' as well as the 'mokshakaraka'. The difference again is between the apparant truth of good karma in the form of marriage and children which shall cause happiness to the elders and Pitris or the real truth of good karma in the form of renunciation of desires and bhakti which will cause happiness to the Guru and Bhagavan. Point is both are the truths - one apparant and the other real. Ask yourself: are you headless or have the head of at least one of the veda murti or Ganesha? If you want a head, then prostrate at the feet of Lord Shiva, for He alone as the real Guru can cut off your head (ahamkar) and worship Bhagavan Vishnu for He alone as the real giver can give you a head.

 

 

Now, coming to Arudha, this is the Maya Peetha ot the Lagna representing the apparant truth. Naturally Ketu cannot have any impact out here. The reversal of the apparant truth cannot occur as this will lead to the very negation of all that is meant or implied by the Arudha. That is why the reversal of house reckoning from Arudha Lagna is meaningless if Ketu is there. What is to be seen, and for the limited purpose of spirituality is the reversal of house reckoning from Ketu for determining Argala or those planets who shall help the native in losing his apparant head and getting a head full of knowledge or those planets who shall obstruct this process.

 

 

Best Regards,

Sanjay Rath "

 

best regards

Hari

 

On 3/24/07, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Karu, NamaskarThere are two chakras, the Skanda/regular one from Aries to Pisces and the Ganesha/irregular one from Scorpio to Sagittarius (with some reversals along the way).Hope this helps.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti

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Karu wrote:

 



Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Visti

What do you mean by <Ganesha Chakra of Kala Chakra > ? You mean derection or some thing else ? Would you kindly explain ?

Thanks in Advance.

Karu

 

 

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Visti Larsen

 

sohamsa

Friday, March 23, 2007 2:41 AM

[sPAM] Re: Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

 

 

 

हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥

Dear Sanjay, NamaskarAgree that the dictum of Vipareetam ketu exists, but it is vipareeta/reverse in matters of spirituality and represents the Ganesha chakra of the kala chakra. Home is still home and the vipareeta-ketu rule would then apply to the tenth house to show that there is no home just karma... the world is our home.

 

So i cannot agree to using the vipareetam ketu rule here.

Yours sincerely, -- Visti Larsen - SJC GuruJaimini SJC - Denmark email: visti

For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Jyotishas, " Vipareetam Ketoh " Is a JUS. For Ketu you can try to count 4th in reverse. Kaaraka's and bhaava both can be looked at. For example 7th lord from Venus(11th) for me(Leo Lagna) is Jupiter in 4th house. My mother, elder sister met my wife before me. Jupiter is also for elder siblings kaaraka. Jupiter in Navamsa is stronger in chara rashi, So I had to travel far distance to meet her.Warm RegardsSanjay P

On 22 Mar 2007 01:07:26 -0700, astro_tellerkerala <

astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

 

 

 

om krishna guru.

dear rosemary,

Pls be kind enough to supply your birth details with coordinates and place .

Also gurujan pls discuss sale of property also .

thanks

regds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

sohamsa , " rf.innes-jones " <rf.innes-jones wrote:

>> Hare Rama Krishna > > > > Dear Sharat, Visti, Michal and Rafal,> > Thankyou for these interesting examples. When applied to my D4 ( Libra lagna), I find the only link for Ketu ( buildings) to the 4th house by rashi drishti is Venus deposited in the 4th in Capricorn. All three homes I have owned were beautiful, and have made a lot of money in value gained( Venus is 11th from AL in Rashi , and Ishta in navamsha) but were never brought to me through women or the arts, vehicles etc. > > However, in D4 , 4th from Ketu is Scorpio, 2nd house of cash resources, with Moon Saturn and Mars ( retrograde). Every property was found after some mistake ( Ketu), serious grief and losses, and linked to work needs .( Saturn also Yogi planet) Ashtakavarga points for Rasi 4th house Mars=0 Saturn = 2 and Moon = 2, So some significant anguish always surrounded settlements over all 3 properties. > > 2.Every property suffered sudden water damage with hidden expensive problems � " debilitated moon ( also AK and Avayogi) with Mars in Scorpio, Yet financial gains from conflict with the Insurance companies. ( Mars is duplicate Yogi planet for material prosperity, and Saturn and Mars are in parvartina in Rasi chart involving a powerful 8th house ( Insurance) and yogagkaraka Mars 5th lord). > > Saturn 4th house lord in D4 , also aspects by graha drishti , Ketu.> > QUESTION : But I still cant work out why the finance Lawyers ( Mars)for the first property, then real estate agents ,servants ( Venus and saturn) acted fraudulently in the sale of the 2nd property and purchase of the 3rd property. This last case being part of an impending court case. Do we count 6 from the 4th house in D4 for each subsequent property? > > Could Jupiter and Rahu Yuti aspect Ketu from the 5th and Ketu being Bhadaka in Rasi be the problem?> > I guess 1 good thing I have discovered is Jupiter=6 Ashtakarvarga in the 4th house in Rashi so Law works in the end, meanwhile its all good in the home for students, study and children . :-) > > > > With Best Wishes> > Rosemary> > > > > > _____ > >

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] On Behalf Of Sharat> Thursday, 22 March 2007 6:58 a.m.> sohamsa

> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > > > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > Dear Visti,> > Namaskar> > I guess we can use this principle in Vargas as well? It does point in the direction from where action may fructify.I am going to apply this to my chart to see if it works. > > > > Sanjay ji has taught another principle for how to find the Guru, Spouse and I wonder if it can also be applied to property:

> > This will probably need to be applied to D4. > > Find the planets aspecting or conjoining Ketu( Karaka for built up property), then see which one connects it with the 4H. The one which does will signify 'bringing the flat'.

> > In your D4, Ke is aspected by Sun and Mars, dispositor of Mars is Venus which is in yuti with Saturn, which is the dispositor of 4H. Thus Mars will bring the flat, in rasi this is in parivartan with Sun, hence he eventually brings the flat. > > > > Does that make sense?> > > > Regards> > Sharat> > > > > > - >

> Visti Larsen <visti > > sohamsa@ <

sohamsa .com > > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:00 PM> > Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.

> > > > हरे राम कृषà¥à¤£à¥¥> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> Good example. I also use this karaka principle alot as its a way of divining who is going to help us in various activities.

> When i was looking for an apartment the first person i mentioned it to was my brother (fourth lord from Ketu is Mars - i did this deliberately). For quite some time he didn't react but one day he decided that he was going to go looking for one for me! Then i knew for sure that i would get one, not necessarily through him but by his instigation. Within about one month or so we decided on the flat. > Now in my chart Mars and Sun are in parivartana and it ended up with my father being the real bringer of the flat.> > Similarly see the seventh lord from Venus. It will bring marriage and in my case its Mercury... ok that means friends. But Mercury is joined Jupiter in the twelfth house so it can be through teachers and students both and in a foreign country (twelfth house and movable sign). I might my future wife at a astrology conference and she is a student of a co-teacher. > > Easy isn't it?> > Yours sincerely, > > -- > Visti Larsen - SJC Guru> Jaimini SJC - Denmark > email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) <

visti com> For consultations, free mp3's and articles visit: http://srigaruda. <

http://srigaruda.com> com > > Rafal Gendarz wrote: > > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Gurubhay , Namaskar> > > _____ > > > My replies:

> > 1. Lords from Karaka's shows bringing of that signified thing to the native. Karaka of this planet will show who will do that and place (like here 4L from Ketu) will show if that will come from abroad or own country. Therefore state and attitude (bhavana) of flat is seen from 4H, experience is seen from Ketu yuti/drsti while relation / presence is seen from 4L from Ketu. > 2. Hari Hara makes this division about planet well-placed from Bhava and from Natal.> 3. People go after property but the Daiva is bringer in form of many people/situations. Example: my 4L from Ketu is Jupiter in Pravraja Yoga so I have always many renounced (4 planets) brahmana's(Ju) which offered me houses/flats. > 4. Yes, the question is how much can Rasi told us..> > > > > > > _____ > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. <

http://www.rohinaa.com> com> > > > Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rafal,> > Karaka from Karaka bhava is of primary importance ie. seeing Mars from the 4th house to check whether the person can actually have property. > > I'm sorry, but I didn't understand the end of your first point - " what with native (Lagna) ? " - can you please explain?> > What do you mean by " bringer of property " ? How many people have property brought to them? Usually it is the people themselves who go after the property. Can you give an example to help clarify. > > Yes D4 is important, but I first want to be clear about Rasi, and not always have to fall back on divisional charts. Afterall, D charts spawn from the Rasi, so we should be able to see a great deal from the Rasi itself, at least the general charachteristics of things, like a property. What colour, how many windows, what kind of curtains etc. can wait for later. > > Respectfully,> Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > Rafal Gendarz starsuponme

sohamsa > Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:30:52 AM> Re: Buying a Car or a landed property.> > II hraum namah adityaya II> > Dear Michal , Namaskar > > 1. Bhavas seen from 4H shows good/evil to the property, what with native (Lagna) ?> 2. 4H from Mars shows bringer of property and relation with it. Kind of property is shown by 4H/A4 in D4.> 3. This should be especially seen in Turyamsa. > > > > Regards,> > Rafal Gendarz,> > www.rohinaa. com <

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> > > > > > Michal Dziwulski napisał(a): > > [ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Jim, > > It works like this - Mars is the significator for land. See the position of Mars from the 4th house which governs property to see whether the native will have any land. Kendras and Trikona is good, dusthana is bad. So Mars in the 12th is good for property as it is in the 9th house from the 4th. > > What kind of property it will be, and when and how it will be acquired is seen from the 4th house from Mars. 2nd property will be seen from the 6th from the 4th from Mars and so on for each property. In the same way we can look at Ketu for buildings, and Venus for vehicles. > > > > Respectfully,> > Michal> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > > > > > > vedicastro_mind <vedicastro_mind@ >> sohamsa@ .com> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:26:18 PM> Buying a Car or a landed property. > > || Hare Krishna ||> > Dear Jyotisha's,> Namaskar,> > May I know and wish to learn how to see in chart , whether native has> a potential to buy " Landed property " or better way is " Beautiful > decorative good looking spacious house " or a " Car " .> ALso timing related to that may be useful to me.> > I have very limited knowledge about this ,Mars shows land or fixed> property ,and Ketu shows buildings, venus for Cars , conveyances general. > 4th house is of , Mother , Property and conveyances , comforts so> defnitely this grahas should be linked to 4th house ??> Now timing , may be dasha should have aspect from this grahas and 4th> house something similar to this. > > Learned one , may I seek therir guidance.> > Thanks in advance.> > Best Regards,> Jim.> > P.S:This is my research I am doing for myself , I dont want to do bad > karma by asking tricky questions so I am writing straight forward.> Man needs to repay for his karma so its better not to do " bad karma " > > > > > > > _____ > > > Be a PS3 game guru.> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Games. <

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