Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Respected Sanjay Rath ji, I am really greatful to you for having given time to a student like me and discuss issues related to astrology one-to-one. I feel honoured. To continue the discussion from the Bob Woolmer's case and keep the discussion more focussed and less complicated, I would like to just pick one issue from the included mail and elaborate. That is regarding Diabetes (I would like to discuss other points as well if your time permits). Hope this is fine with you. Type 2 diabetes is the most commonly occuring diabetes. The Definition for type 2 diabetes is as follows: Type 2 diabetes results from insulin resistance (a condition in which the body fails to properly use insulin), combined with relative insulin deficiency. Most Americans who are diagnosed with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. (Ref: http://www.diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp) There are two aspects here: a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is produced b. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulin produced It is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and in Astrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an afflicted Venus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas. Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin. When we look at the second part. It might happen that the pancreas are producing good amount of insulin. However, becuase of other reasons, the body does not properly use the insulin produced (known as insulin resistance). I understand that the primary treatment for insulin resistance is exercise and weight loss. I would like to interpret the above sentence astrologically: - Increased exercise could be read as strengthening Mars - Weight Loss (manage body weight) could be read as reduce the malefic effect of Jupiter. Interestingly, I have found in many charts of diabetic people, that malefic Jupiter (in dusthana, or retrograde or in PKY) conjunct or aspecting Mars. Or, both Jupiter and Mars are weak for some reason. I can see the above pattern in many charts including my father's and my uncle's charts (people who suffer from diabetes). I see the same in Bob Woolmer's chart as well. Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Mars are also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2 diabetes. I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability of pancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venus alone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics are suffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up in the young age itself. Please give your views on this subject. Regards, Krishna --- " Pt.Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > +om gurave namah+Dear KrishnaNamaste. The points-wise reply: > -1. Venus > is in Mrityu-bhaga according to some; He is also the badhaka > forKumbha > Lagna and is the dispositor of the 8th lord. If the 8th lord > isstrong, > then death can occur in the period of a weak lagna lord and > thebadhaka. > Saturn is surely badly placed in a bad yoga with 6th lord Moon > in6th > house. Counting from Venus to Saturn, we get *2*. Count as > many > signsfrom Saturn to get the Bahya sign as Leo, which is the > 7th house > with Marsin MKS. So Venus dasa Saturn antara can give death. > Venus and > Saturn areboth conjoined in navamsa in *vyaya-amsa* Capricorn > which > shows exit fromthis world.Venus is also a maraka for Mina > Lagna but it > is aspected by a HamsaMahapurusha Yiga Jupiter and will lose > its sting. > Instead for Kumbha LagnaVenus is Badhaka aspected by 2nd & 11 > Lord > Jupiter and is more qualified tokill.2. (A) My maternal > grandfather was > Mina Lagna with guru in 10th house - hewas a doctor (B) My > friend > Charadhar is Mina Lagna with Guru in 10th houseand is a > businessman. I > have many more charts to show that this theory isnot working. > The > Mahapurusha yoga works but to say that they will all > becometeachers is > not correct.I can use exactly the *same logic* for Kumbha > lagna. Thats > the problem withVA as it throws up so many options. For Kumbha > Mars is > 10th lord in Sun signaspected by Jupiter showing him to be a > teacher or > coach. However Kumbha isbetter qualified to show profession as > Mercury > ruling playing field andsports is aspecting the 10th house.How > does > Venus get into games and sports?? Has he finished with > hisGandharva > Veda and Kavya?3. Where is the involvment of Rahu? At what > level? > Please first prove the*dasa-antar-prayantara* before going > into finer > levels.Secondly, why will Venus and Saturn in 7th from Moon in > Navamsa > cause death?Do they do this everytime??In fact the only logic > to Venus, > irrespective of Lagna is that it is thelord of the 64th > Navamsa from > the Moon which is a terrible navamsa. Thusirrespective of > Lagna, Venus > is qualified to Kill the person. Venus is alsolord of the 22nd > drekkana > from Lagna and is Kharesha for Kumbha Lagnarising.4. I thought > Venus > gace disease of diabetes. Jupiter loves sugar and doesnot > cause sugar > issues. Venus hates sugar and brings this problem as thespleen > and > pancreas cannot digest the sugar. In fact with Kumbha, Venus > isbadhaka > lord and is also dispositor of 8th lord besides being the > KHARESHAof he > chart, so he will play the devil's advocate....nice points. > Give me a > feedback if there is further development.Best wishes and warm > regards,Sanjay > Rath----- > sohamsa: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:24 > PMSubject: > Bob Woolmer - KanpurRespected Sanjay Rath ji,Thanks for > acknowledging > my mail on this subject.In fact, myself and one more person > were having > a debate on another forum whether 2:15am is the correct time > or 2:30am > for Bob Woolmer. I felt 2:30am is the most appropriate for the > following reasons:1. With 2:15 am and Kumbha lagna, Sukra is > not a > strong maraka, where as Sukra's status as a maraka > dramatically > improves with lagna being Meena.2. With Meen lagna, Guru would > be in > the 10th (own house) aspecting Sun, Mars and Venus. This would > indicate > the profession as a coach in the sports field.3. The period of > death > for 2:30 am would be Sukra-Sani-Sani-Rahu for 2:30 am. > Involvement of > Rahu indicates unnatural death. Please note that both Sukra > and Sani > aspect both Lagna and Chandra from the 7th house in Navamsa.4. > An > afflicted Moon in Paapakaratari and a retro Jupiter aspecting > the 6th > house of diseses indicates diabetes. It is well known that Bob > was > suffering from type-2 diabetes.Please let me know if my > reasoning is > correct.Regards,Krishna_Gordon > Brennan on Chaitra Sukla Chart of PakistanAs you know I'm > interested in > Chaitra Shukla charts. I'd just like to let you know how the > Chaitra > Shukla chart for Pakistan 2006 coordinates with your > assessment of the > Woolmer murder. I think it is the 2006 chart that indicated > the damage, > as that year's chart was finishing just as he was dying almost > about > the time of the solar eclipse. The chart details are > 29/03/2006 at > 15:15:36 in Islamabad. Sport is indicated by 5th and it is Leo > Lagna. > Planets in Marana Karaka Sthana are: Jupiter (5th lord), Venus > (another > sport karaka I think), Mercury and Moon, the other benefics. > Lagna is > hemmed by Ketu and Saturn, aspected by 10th house Mars and > Mercury > (graha aspect) plus Jupiter and Venus, (rasi aspect). Sun and > Rahu are > also in 8th and Ketu in 2nd. 12 month Vimshottari Dasha was > Moon Sun as > Pakistan were defeated by Ireland - both in Mrityu Shashtiamsa > in the > above chart and Mars Rahu later when Woolmer was killed. Lagna > of chart > is in Purishaka Shastiamsa. Venus in Kubera Shastiamsa > suggests money > issue. In Shastiamsa Venus is debilitated in 3rd conjunct > Marana Karaka > Jupiter (neck) and Mars Rahu are in 5th in Scorpio (poison). > Regards, > Gordon > > -- > Posted By Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 3/28/2007 > 09:39:00 AM Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 ||Hare Ram Krishna||Dear Krishna,I hope you dont mind my 2 cents on this:- Krishnamurthy Seetharama sohamsa Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:49 AMRe: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath>>a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is producedb. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulinproducedIt is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and inAstrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an afflictedVenus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas.Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin.>> ** Conventional teaching is that Insulin is made only in the tail of pancreas but experiments in mice have used stem cells from spleen to recreate insulin like cells. Spleen & Liver are signified by Jupiter. >>Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Marsare also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2diabetes.I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability ofpancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venusalone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics aresuffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up inthe young age itself.>> ** Venus when afflicted can cause relative or complete deficiency of Insulin, hence Diabetes type1 or 2. 8H is the seat of chronic disease and immune system, thus it will be either owned or aspected by Venus. I will try and get charts of some Type 1 Diabetes people to see the afflictions. Regards Sharat,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Dear Sharat, Thanks for your comments. Are you suggesting that it is sufficient to look at Venus alone for both Type 1 and and Type 2 diabetes? It is true that Venus is involved in causing both Type 1 and and Type diabetes. However, in Type 2, there are other conditions associated which would be governed by Jupiter and Mars. Do you suggest that one need not look at either Jupiter or Mars? Regards, Krishna --- Sharat <gidoc wrote: > ||Hare Ram Krishna|| > Dear Krishna, > I hope you dont mind my 2 cents on this: > > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:49 AM > Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath > > > >>a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is > produced > > b. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulin > produced > > It is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and in > Astrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an > afflicted > Venus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas. > Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin.>> > > ** Conventional teaching is that Insulin is made only in the > tail of pancreas but experiments in mice have used stem cells > from spleen to recreate insulin like cells. Spleen & Liver are > signified by Jupiter. > > >>Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and > Mars > are also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2 > diabetes. > > I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability of > pancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venus > alone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics > are > suffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up > in > the young age itself.>> > > ** Venus when afflicted can cause relative or complete > deficiency of Insulin, hence Diabetes type1 or 2. 8H is the > seat of chronic disease and immune system, thus it will be > either owned or aspected by Venus. > I will try and get charts of some Type 1 Diabetes people to > see the afflictions. > > Regards > Sharat > > ,_._,___ Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 +om gurave namah+ Dear Krishna Jyotish and Ayurveda is one area that is under very very tight study by some Jyotish Gurus in SJC. Suffice is toy that the understanding till now was very vague and poor and hopefully Dr Brendan Feeley, Narasimha and others will contribute more. Brendan and Willa are the practitioners in this line. I am pathetic in biology and would not be able to tell you which organ is where...anyway, the principles of jyotish is where I can add. Now 2 types of diabetes! We really have not understood one type. Point is Jupiter is karaka for sugars and karaka is never bad for the matter. It is others that negatively influence the karaka. Venus is the digestor of the sugar. On pinciple, I agree to your points, they are very logical and well thought out. Weight is another issue. Everyone who is fat need not have diabetes. Hormonal issues are caused by Mercurial affliction by Saturn (blockage of hormone delivery system) or Sun (destruction of hormone mechanism by temperature mechanism)...Can't say how this affects diabetes. ....are you suggesting that Woolmer dies because of diabetes! Like say he slipped in bathroom and broke his neck due to some diabetes thing! Both charts can indicate diabetes as in both charts Venus is afflicted to show this. No not that for sure...anyway, go on. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Krishnamurthy SeetharamaWednesday, March 28, 2007 2:20 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath Respected Sanjay Rath ji,I am really greatful to you for having given time to a studentlike me and discuss issues related to astrology one-to-one. Ifeel honoured.To continue the discussion from the Bob Woolmer's case and keepthe discussion more focussed and less complicated, I would liketo just pick one issue from the included mail and elaborate.That is regarding Diabetes (I would like to discuss other pointsas well if your time permits). Hope this is fine with you.Type 2 diabetes is the most commonly occuring diabetes. TheDefinition for type 2 diabetes is as follows:Type 2 diabetes results from insulin resistance (a condition inwhich the body fails to properly use insulin), combined withrelative insulin deficiency. Most Americans who are diagnosedwith diabetes have type 2 diabetes.(Ref: http://www.diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp)There are two aspects here:a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is producedb. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulinproducedIt is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and inAstrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an afflictedVenus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas.Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin.When we look at the second part. It might happen that thepancreas are producing good amount of insulin. However, becuaseof other reasons, the body does not properly use the insulinproduced (known as insulin resistance).I understand that the primary treatment for insulin resistanceis exercise and weight loss.I would like to interpret the above sentence astrologically:- Increased exercise could be read as strengthening Mars- Weight Loss (manage body weight) could be read as reduce themalefic effect of Jupiter.Interestingly, I have found in many charts of diabetic people,that malefic Jupiter (in dusthana, or retrograde or in PKY)conjunct or aspecting Mars. Or, both Jupiter and Mars are weakfor some reason.I can see the above pattern in many charts including my father'sand my uncle's charts (people who suffer from diabetes). I seethe same in Bob Woolmer's chart as well.Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Marsare also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2diabetes.I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability ofpancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venusalone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics aresuffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up inthe young age itself.Please give your views on this subject.Regards,Krishna--- "Pt.Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath > wrote:> +om gurave namah+Dear KrishnaNamaste. The points-wise reply:> -1. Venus> is in Mrityu-bhaga according to some; He is also the badhaka> forKumbha> Lagna and is the dispositor of the 8th lord. If the 8th lord> isstrong,> then death can occur in the period of a weak lagna lord and> thebadhaka.> Saturn is surely badly placed in a bad yoga with 6th lord Moon> in6th> house. Counting from Venus to Saturn, we get *2*. Count as> many> signsfrom Saturn to get the Bahya sign as Leo, which is the> 7th house> with Marsin MKS. So Venus dasa Saturn antara can give death.> Venus and> Saturn areboth conjoined in navamsa in *vyaya-amsa* Capricorn> which> shows exit fromthis world.Venus is also a maraka for Mina> Lagna but it> is aspected by a HamsaMahapurusha Yiga Jupiter and will lose> its sting.> Instead for Kumbha LagnaVenus is Badhaka aspected by 2nd & 11> Lord> Jupiter and is more qualified tokill.2. (A) My maternal> grandfather was> Mina Lagna with guru in 10th house - hewas a doctor (B) My> friend> Charadhar is Mina Lagna with Guru in 10th houseand is a> businessman. I> have many more charts to show that this theory isnot working.> The> Mahapurusha yoga works but to say that they will all> becometeachers is> not correct.I can use exactly the *same logic* for Kumbha> lagna. Thats> the problem withVA as it throws up so many options. For Kumbha> Mars is> 10th lord in Sun signaspected by Jupiter showing him to be a> teacher or> coach. However Kumbha isbetter qualified to show profession as> Mercury> ruling playing field andsports is aspecting the 10th house.How> does> Venus get into games and sports?? Has he finished with> hisGandharva> Veda and Kavya?3. Where is the involvment of Rahu? At what> level?> Please first prove the*dasa-antar-prayantara* before going> into finer> levels.Secondly, why will Venus and Saturn in 7th from Moon in> Navamsa> cause death?Do they do this everytime??In fact the only logic> to Venus,> irrespective of Lagna is that it is thelord of the 64th> Navamsa from> the Moon which is a terrible navamsa. Thusirrespective of> Lagna, Venus> is qualified to Kill the person. Venus is alsolord of the 22nd> drekkana> from Lagna and is Kharesha for Kumbha Lagnarising.4. I thought> Venus> gace disease of diabetes. Jupiter loves sugar and doesnot> cause sugar> issues. Venus hates sugar and brings this problem as thespleen> and> pancreas cannot digest the sugar. In fact with Kumbha, Venus> isbadhaka> lord and is also dispositor of 8th lord besides being the> KHARESHAof he> chart, so he will play the devil's advocate....nice points.> Give me a> feedback if there is further development.Best wishes and warm> regards,Sanjay>Rath-------------------------> sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:24> PMSubject:> Bob Woolmer - KanpurRespected Sanjay Rath ji,Thanks for> acknowledging> my mail on this subject.In fact, myself and one more person> were having> a debate on another forum whether 2:15am is the correct time> or 2:30am> for Bob Woolmer. I felt 2:30am is the most appropriate for the> following reasons:1. With 2:15 am and Kumbha lagna, Sukra is> not a> strong maraka, where as Sukra's status as a maraka> dramatically> improves with lagna being Meena.2. With Meen lagna, Guru would> be in> the 10th (own house) aspecting Sun, Mars and Venus. This would> indicate> the profession as a coach in the sports field.3. The period of> death> for 2:30 am would be Sukra-Sani-Sani-Rahu for 2:30 am.> Involvement of> Rahu indicates unnatural death. Please note that both Sukra> and Sani> aspect both Lagna and Chandra from the 7th house in Navamsa.4.> An> afflicted Moon in Paapakaratari and a retro Jupiter aspecting> the 6th> house of diseses indicates diabetes. It is well known that Bob> was> suffering from type-2 diabetes.Please let me know if my> reasoning is>correct.Regards,Krishna_Gordon> Brennan on Chaitra Sukla Chart of PakistanAs you know I'm> interested in> Chaitra Shukla charts. I'd just like to let you know how the> Chaitra> Shukla chart for Pakistan 2006 coordinates with your> assessment of the> Woolmer murder. I think it is the 2006 chart that indicated> the damage,> as that year's chart was finishing just as he was dying almost> about> the time of the solar eclipse. The chart details are> 29/03/2006 at> 15:15:36 in Islamabad. Sport is indicated by 5th and it is Leo> Lagna.> Planets in Marana Karaka Sthana are: Jupiter (5th lord), Venus> (another> sport karaka I think), Mercury and Moon, the other benefics.> Lagna is> hemmed by Ketu and Saturn, aspected by 10th house Mars and> Mercury> (graha aspect) plus Jupiter and Venus, (rasi aspect). Sun and> Rahu are> also in 8th and Ketu in 2nd. 12 month Vimshottari Dasha was> Moon Sun as> Pakistan were defeated by Ireland - both in Mrityu Shashtiamsa> in the> above chart and Mars Rahu later when Woolmer was killed. Lagna> of chart> is in Purishaka Shastiamsa. Venus in Kubera Shastiamsa> suggests money> issue. In Shastiamsa Venus is debilitated in 3rd conjunct> Marana Karaka> Jupiter (neck) and Mars Rahu are in 5th in Scorpio (poison).> Regards,> Gordon> > --> Posted By Pt.Sanjay Rath to Rath's Rhapsody at 3/28/2007> 09:39:00 AMRegards,Krishnahttp://astrokrishna.blogspot.com________Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Respected Sanjay Rath ji, Thanks for your views and comments. It is really very encouraging to get your views on what I am exploring. No, I am not suggesting that Bob Woolmer died because of diabetes. The point of debate was whether only Venus is involved in causing diabetes or other planets like Jupiter and Mars also contribute to it (in addition to Venus for Type 2). Yes, I agree with you that everyone who is fat need not have diabetes. However, the point to be noted that their susceptability to diabetes increases considerably due to obesity. Based on other planetary influences like weak/afflicted Venus and Mars give them the disease. I am planning to do further study on this subject and will present a more detailed paper soon. Regards, Krishna --- Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: > > > +om gurave namah+ > Dear Krishna > Jyotish and Ayurveda is one area that is under very very tight > study by some > Jyotish Gurus in SJC. Suffice is toy that the understanding > till now was > very vague and poor and hopefully Dr Brendan Feeley, Narasimha > and others > will contribute more. Brendan and Willa are the practitioners > in this line. > I am pathetic in biology and would not be able to tell you > which organ is > where...anyway, the principles of jyotish is where I can add. > > Now 2 types of diabetes! We really have not understood one > type. Point is > Jupiter is karaka for sugars and karaka is never bad for the > matter. It is > others that negatively influence the karaka. Venus is the > digestor of the > sugar. > > On pinciple, I agree to your points, they are very logical and > well thought > out. > > Weight is another issue. Everyone who is fat need not have > diabetes. > Hormonal issues are caused by Mercurial affliction by Saturn > (blockage of > hormone delivery system) or Sun (destruction of hormone > mechanism by > temperature mechanism)...Can't say how this affects diabetes. > > ...are you suggesting that Woolmer dies because of diabetes! > Like say he > slipped in bathroom and broke his neck due to some diabetes > thing! Both > charts can indicate diabetes as in both charts Venus is > afflicted to show > this. No not that for sure...anyway, go on. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > Webpages: http://SRath.com <http://srath.com/> Founder: > http://SriJagannath.org <http://.org/> > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com > <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > Academic Director: http://jiva.us <http://jiva.us/> [JIVA] > and > http://siva-edu.com <http://siva-edu.com/> [sIVA] > > > _____ > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] > On Behalf Of > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:20 PM > sohamsa > Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath > > > > Respected Sanjay Rath ji, > > I am really greatful to you for having given time to a student > like me and discuss issues related to astrology one-to-one. I > feel honoured. > > To continue the discussion from the Bob Woolmer's case and > keep > the discussion more focussed and less complicated, I would > like > to just pick one issue from the included mail and elaborate. > That is regarding Diabetes (I would like to discuss other > points > as well if your time permits). Hope this is fine with you. > > Type 2 diabetes is the most commonly occuring diabetes. The > Definition for type 2 diabetes is as follows: > > Type 2 diabetes results from insulin resistance (a condition > in > which the body fails to properly use insulin), combined with > relative insulin deficiency. Most Americans who are diagnosed > with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. > > (Ref: http://www.diabetes > <http://www.diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp> > .org/about-diabetes.jsp) > > There are two aspects here: > > a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is > produced > > b. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulin > produced > > It is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and in > Astrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an > afflicted > Venus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas. > Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin. > > When we look at the second part. It might happen that the > pancreas are producing good amount of insulin. However, > becuase > of other reasons, the body does not properly use the insulin > produced (known as insulin resistance). > > I understand that the primary treatment for insulin resistance > is exercise and weight loss. > > I would like to interpret the above sentence astrologically: > > - Increased exercise could be read as strengthening Mars > - Weight Loss (manage body weight) could be read as reduce the > malefic effect of Jupiter. > > Interestingly, I have found in many charts of diabetic people, > that malefic Jupiter (in dusthana, or retrograde or in PKY) > conjunct or aspecting Mars. Or, both Jupiter and Mars are weak > for some reason. > > I can see the above pattern in many charts including my > father's > and my uncle's charts (people who suffer from diabetes). I see > the same in Bob Woolmer's chart as well. > > Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Mars > are also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2 > diabetes. > > I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability of > pancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venus > alone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics > are > suffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up > in > the young age itself. > > Please give your views on this subject. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- " Pt.Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) > <sanjayrath%40gmail.com> com> > wrote: > > > +om gurave namah+Dear KrishnaNamaste. The points-wise reply: > > -1. Venus > > is in Mrityu-bhaga according to some; He is also the badhaka > > forKumbha > > Lagna and is the dispositor of the 8th lord. If the 8th lord > > isstrong, > > then death can occur in the period of a weak lagna lord and > > thebadhaka. > > Saturn is surely badly placed in a bad yoga with 6th lord > Moon > > in6th > > house. Counting from Venus to Saturn, we get *2*. Count as > > many > > signsfrom Saturn to get the Bahya sign as Leo, which is the > > 7th house > > with Marsin MKS. So Venus dasa Saturn antara can give death. > > Venus and > > Saturn areboth conjoined in navamsa in *vyaya-amsa* > Capricorn > > which > > shows exit fromthis world.Venus is also a maraka for Mina > > Lagna but it > > is aspected by a HamsaMahapurusha Yiga Jupiter and will lose > > its sting. > > Instead for Kumbha LagnaVenus is Badhaka aspected by 2nd & > 11 > > Lord > > Jupiter and is more qualified tokill.2. (A) My maternal > > grandfather was > > Mina Lagna with guru in 10th house - hewas a doctor (B) My > > friend > > Charadhar is Mina Lagna with Guru in 10th houseand is a > > businessman. I > > have many more charts to show that this theory isnot > working. > > The > > Mahapurusha yoga works but to say that they will all > > becometeachers is > > not correct.I can use exactly the *same logic* for Kumbha > > lagna. Thats > > the problem withVA as it throws up so many options. For > Kumbha > > Mars is > > 10th lord in Sun signaspected by Jupiter showing him to be a > > teacher or > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ______________________________\ ____ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Dear Sanjay, Sorry if I am 'overstretching' this concept you wrote about /my inborn tendency to broaden the picture, LOL!/. It makes perfect sense that Saturn causes broken bones, when the Sun is weak-damaged, as in being gandanta. can we go further and assume that whenever the planet is weak/poorly placed/damaged by aspects or otherwise, Saturn steps in and causes harm signified by the planet /Sun in this case/. Like Sun/pl. in MKS? Due to inability to protect its significations /FROM malefic/, and NOT bcs. it harms its own signification /which makes sense to me/ Is my understanding correct? Does malefic always step in when significator is weak/damaged? I'd appreciate your response. Best wishes, AnnaSanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: +om gurave namah+ Dear Sarat The Karaka never damages the signifcation, its enemies do. Sun does not brak bones - Saturn does and so also Mercury with Ketu and such combinations. Sun in gandanta can cause brekage of bones...it is the gandanta (Saturn) coming on the Sun that causes this failure. Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://SRath.com Founder: http://SriJagannath.org Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com Academic Director: http://jiva.us [JIVA] and http://siva-edu.com [sIVA] sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of SharatThursday, March 29, 2007 1:18 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath ||Hare Ram Krishna||Dear Krishna,I hope you dont mind my 2 cents on this:- Krishnamurthy Seetharama To: sohamsa Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:49 AMRe: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath>>a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is producedb. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulinproducedIt is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and inAstrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an afflictedVenus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas.Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin.>> ** Conventional teaching is that Insulin is made only in the tail of pancreas but experiments in mice have used stem cells from spleen to recreate insulin like cells. Spleen & Liver are signified by Jupiter. >>Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Marsare also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2diabetes.I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability ofpancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venusalone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics aresuffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up inthe young age itself.>> ** Venus when afflicted can cause relative or complete deficiency of Insulin, hence Diabetes type1 or 2. 8H is the seat of chronic disease and immune system, thus it will be either owned or aspected by Venus. I will try and get charts of some Type 1 Diabetes people to see the afflictions. Regards Sharat,_._,___ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Namaste Sri KrishnamurthyJust one thought:When Venus is afflicted, the whole immune system becomes weak. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 30 Mar 2007 07:06:34 -0700, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Respected Sanjay Rath ji, Thanks for your views and comments. It is really very encouraging to get your views on what I am exploring. No, I am not suggesting that Bob Woolmer died because of diabetes. The point of debate was whether only Venus is involved in causing diabetes or other planets like Jupiter and Mars also contribute to it (in addition to Venus for Type 2). Yes, I agree with you that everyone who is fat need not have diabetes. However, the point to be noted that their susceptability to diabetes increases considerably due to obesity. Based on other planetary influences like weak/afflicted Venus and Mars give them the disease. I am planning to do further study on this subject and will present a more detailed paper soon. Regards, Krishna --- Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote: > > > +om gurave namah+ > Dear Krishna > Jyotish and Ayurveda is one area that is under very very tight > study by some > Jyotish Gurus in SJC. Suffice is toy that the understanding > till now was > very vague and poor and hopefully Dr Brendan Feeley, Narasimha > and others > will contribute more. Brendan and Willa are the practitioners > in this line. > I am pathetic in biology and would not be able to tell you > which organ is > where...anyway, the principles of jyotish is where I can add. > > Now 2 types of diabetes! We really have not understood one > type. Point is > Jupiter is karaka for sugars and karaka is never bad for the > matter. It is > others that negatively influence the karaka. Venus is the > digestor of the > sugar. > > On pinciple, I agree to your points, they are very logical and > well thought > out. > > Weight is another issue. Everyone who is fat need not have > diabetes. > Hormonal issues are caused by Mercurial affliction by Saturn > (blockage of > hormone delivery system) or Sun (destruction of hormone > mechanism by > temperature mechanism)...Can't say how this affects diabetes. > > ...are you suggesting that Woolmer dies because of diabetes! > Like say he > slipped in bathroom and broke his neck due to some diabetes > thing! Both > charts can indicate diabetes as in both charts Venus is > afflicted to show > this. No not that for sure...anyway, go on. > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > Webpages: http://SRath.com < http://srath.com/> Founder: > http://SriJagannath.org < http://.org/> > Editor: http://TheJyotishDigest.com > <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> > Academic Director: http://jiva.us < http://jiva.us/> [JIVA] > and > http://siva-edu.com < http://siva-edu.com/> [sIVA] > > > _____ > > sohamsa [ sohamsa ] > On Behalf Of > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:20 PM > sohamsa > Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath > > > > Respected Sanjay Rath ji, > > I am really greatful to you for having given time to a student > like me and discuss issues related to astrology one-to-one. I > feel honoured. > > To continue the discussion from the Bob Woolmer's case and > keep > the discussion more focussed and less complicated, I would > like > to just pick one issue from the included mail and elaborate. > That is regarding Diabetes (I would like to discuss other > points > as well if your time permits). Hope this is fine with you. > > Type 2 diabetes is the most commonly occuring diabetes. The > Definition for type 2 diabetes is as follows: > > Type 2 diabetes results from insulin resistance (a condition > in > which the body fails to properly use insulin), combined with > relative insulin deficiency. Most Americans who are diagnosed > with diabetes have type 2 diabetes. > > (Ref: http://www.diabetes > <http://www.diabetes.org/about-diabetes.jsp> > .org/about-diabetes.jsp) > > There are two aspects here: > > a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is > produced > > b. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulin > produced > > It is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and in > Astrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an > afflicted > Venus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas. > Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin. > > When we look at the second part. It might happen that the > pancreas are producing good amount of insulin. However, > becuase > of other reasons, the body does not properly use the insulin > produced (known as insulin resistance). > > I understand that the primary treatment for insulin resistance > is exercise and weight loss. > > I would like to interpret the above sentence astrologically: > > - Increased exercise could be read as strengthening Mars > - Weight Loss (manage body weight) could be read as reduce the > malefic effect of Jupiter. > > Interestingly, I have found in many charts of diabetic people, > that malefic Jupiter (in dusthana, or retrograde or in PKY) > conjunct or aspecting Mars. Or, both Jupiter and Mars are weak > for some reason. > > I can see the above pattern in many charts including my > father's > and my uncle's charts (people who suffer from diabetes). I see > the same in Bob Woolmer's chart as well. > > Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and Mars > are also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2 > diabetes. > > I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability of > pancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venus > alone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics > are > suffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up > in > the young age itself. > > Please give your views on this subject. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- " Pt.Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath (AT) gmail (DOT) > <sanjayrath% 40gmail.com> com> > wrote: > > > +om gurave namah+Dear KrishnaNamaste. The points-wise reply: > > -1. Venus > > is in Mrityu-bhaga according to some; He is also the badhaka > > forKumbha > > Lagna and is the dispositor of the 8th lord. If the 8th lord > > isstrong, > > then death can occur in the period of a weak lagna lord and > > thebadhaka. > > Saturn is surely badly placed in a bad yoga with 6th lord > Moon > > in6th > > house. Counting from Venus to Saturn, we get *2*. Count as > > many > > signsfrom Saturn to get the Bahya sign as Leo, which is the > > 7th house > > with Marsin MKS. So Venus dasa Saturn antara can give death. > > Venus and > > Saturn areboth conjoined in navamsa in *vyaya-amsa* > Capricorn > > which > > shows exit fromthis world.Venus is also a maraka for Mina > > Lagna but it > > is aspected by a HamsaMahapurusha Yiga Jupiter and will lose > > its sting. > > Instead for Kumbha LagnaVenus is Badhaka aspected by 2nd & > 11 > > Lord > > Jupiter and is more qualified tokill.2. (A) My maternal > > grandfather was > > Mina Lagna with guru in 10th house - hewas a doctor (B) My > > friend > > Charadhar is Mina Lagna with Guru in 10th houseand is a > > businessman. I > > have many more charts to show that this theory isnot > working. > > The > > Mahapurusha yoga works but to say that they will all > > becometeachers is > > not correct.I can use exactly the *same logic* for Kumbha > > lagna. Thats > > the problem withVA as it throws up so many options. For > Kumbha > > Mars is > > 10th lord in Sun signaspected by Jupiter showing him to be a > > teacher or > === message truncated === Regards, Krishna http://astrokrishna.blogspot.com ________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile./mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 ||Hare Ram Krishna|| Dear Krishna, Venus afflcition is perhaps the major problem in Type 1 Diabetes. In maturity onset diabetes, more factors will play a role, as that is a life style disease, and thus more planets will be involved. Mercury which controls the hormones may also effect' weight ' so may be one of them. We need to study more charts and I will await your obervations, thanks for your input. Regards Sharat - Krishnamurthy Seetharama sohamsa Friday, March 30, 2007 3:05 PM Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath Dear Sharat,Thanks for your comments. Are you suggesting that it issufficient to look at Venus alone for both Type 1 and and Type 2diabetes?It is true that Venus is involved in causing both Type 1 and andType diabetes. However, in Type 2, there are other conditionsassociated which would be governed by Jupiter and Mars.Do you suggest that one need not look at either Jupiter or Mars?Regards,Krishna--- Sharat <gidoc (AT) ukfsn (DOT) org> wrote:> ||Hare Ram Krishna||> Dear Krishna,> I hope you dont mind my 2 cents on this:> > - > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > sohamsa > Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:49 AM> Re: Diabetes - To Shri Sanjay Rath> > > >>a. Relative insulin deficiency - Not enough insulin is> produced> > b. Insulin resistance - Body fails to properly use the insulin> produced> > It is a well know fact that pancreas produce insulin and in> Astrology Venus is the karaka for pancreas. Hence, an> afflicted> Venus could indicate defective or under efficient pancreas.> Spleen cells are also known to help in producing insulin.>>> > ** Conventional teaching is that Insulin is made only in the> tail of pancreas but experiments in mice have used stem cells> from spleen to recreate insulin like cells. Spleen & Liver are> signified by Jupiter.> > >>Hence, my take is that, in addition to Venus, Juipter and> Mars> are also invovled in causing diabetes - specially Type 2> diabetes.> > I beleive Type 1 diabetes is related to the inability of> pancreas to produced insulin. This could be related to Venus> alone. I understand that only less than 15% of the diabetics> are> suffering from this type of disease and this usually shows up> in> the young age itself.>>> > ** Venus when afflicted can cause relative or complete> deficiency of Insulin, hence Diabetes type1 or 2. 8H is the> seat of chronic disease and immune system, thus it will be> either owned or aspected by Venus.> I will try and get charts of some Type 1 Diabetes people to> see the afflictions.> > Regards> Sharat> > ,_._,___ Regards,Krishnahttp://astrokrishna.blogspot.com________Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotelsin 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit.http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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