Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Tijana, Sorry for the long post, I could have explained it more easily. By influence i mean ownership, conjunction or aspect. It doesnt matter whether Saturn is in own house or not, in all fixed signs Saturn owns 2 signs and aspects 3 other signs which are not his own. So influencing total 5 signs out of 12. Saturn in Capricorn will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, influencing them and also aspect 3 other signs, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5, Capricorn, Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. Saturn in Aquarius will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, influencing them and also aspecting 3 other signs which he doesnt own, Aries, Cancer and Libra. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5. Aquarius, Capricorn, Aries, Cancer and Libra. Hope this clarifies my statement about 44.4%. Priya sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Priya, > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when Saturn is > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings the > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > Warm regards, > Tijana > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on houses. > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > Mercury > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > house. > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps to > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, occupies/aspects > 3 > > another signs. > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which is > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > Mars, > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > strongly > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti the > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > Amatyakaraka > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > Rahu > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 charts > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that almost > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > Priya > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Guru > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in nearly > 50% > > of > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to see > > Saturn's > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40>, > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Manoj > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " astrology_junior " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Dear Rafalji, Thanks for the pat!! I need all the help from the learned gurujis for understanding the concept well. Regards Ravi Nair Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: hare rama krsnaDear Ravi Nair,You are close.Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 A. Ravindran Nair napisa³(a): Hi, My 2 cents on this topic. We need to see the relation of Saturn with the lord of lagna also for it to have any effect on self. Hope this will help. Regards, Ravi Nair sameer_sawhney <ssawhney > wrote: Hi,I think you are missing the key thing for planets associated with 11th from AL.You need to check the financial sambandha of Saturn with 11th lord from AL to see if Saturn would really like to give gains during its period. The state of Saturn (exaltation/deblitation/friendly/enemical) will indicate the amount of gains it can provide during its period.Regards,Sameersohamsa , Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000 wrote:>> Well, two of the good financial yogas are when you> have 9th lord in 11th and second lord in the> first...right? I have both the combinations.> See, Saturn's results can't be predicted with> precision. Saturn sometimes even though benefic may> give malefic results. The reason could be multifold;> if your current conduct is not rightousness, if yu> drink, eat non-vegetarian food etc.> I never ate non-vegetarian food, but I used to drink> very often during my Saturn Mahadasha. > Thanks> Manoj> --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior> wrote:> > > Dear Manoj,> > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL> > in nearly 50% of > > all charts.> > > > There should be financial yogas present before we> > try to see Saturn's > > influence on 11th from AL.> > > > Priya> > > > > > sohamsa , Manoj Sharma> > <manojsharma662000@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say,> > but> > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during> > my> > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial> > condition.> > > Thanks> > > Manoj> > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give> > big> > > > gains.> > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc> > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa ,> > "vedicastrostudent" > > > > <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains?> > So> > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give> > gains.> > > > Although I'm > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the> > planets> > > > in the 11th from > > > > AL > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL> > > > > > > > > > Sundeep> > > > > > > > > > sohamsa ,> > "astrology_junior"> > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear List,> > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is> > strong> > > > to give gains when > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL.> > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to> > give> > > > income when > > > > > associated > > > > > > with 11th from AL ?> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > > > > > > > Priya> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Priya, I don`t mind your long post, it`s a good brain exercise. Ok. We have three issues here actually. 1) How many signs Saturn influences from his position excluding position itself? 2) How many signs he influences including the position? 3) What is the percantage of Saturn`s influence on the 11th from AL? I focused on the first (don`t ask me why), you gave the statistics for the second and the question actually was the third. a)If AL is in any fixed sign, 11th from it will always be dual signs which means that Saturn can influance it only if in a dual sign. b) If AL is in any dual sign, 11th from it will be movable sign which means that Saturn can be in one of the three fixed signs to aspect it, beside the position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in Meena where Saturn owns 11th from AL) c) If AL is in any movable sign 11th from it will be fixed sign so the Saturn has to be in one of the three movable sign, beside the position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in Aries where Saturn owns 11th from AL). I`m terrible with mathematics so it would take me some time to calculate this in percantage, but i hope you`ll use this. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " astrology_junior " <astrology_junior wrote: > > Dear Tijana, > > Sorry for the long post, I could have explained it more easily. > > By influence i mean ownership, conjunction or aspect. > > It doesnt matter whether Saturn is in own house or not, in all fixed > signs Saturn owns 2 signs and aspects 3 other signs which are not his > own. So influencing total 5 signs out of 12. > > Saturn in Capricorn will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, > influencing them and also aspect 3 other signs, Scorpio, Leo and > Taurus. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5, Capricorn, > Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. > > Saturn in Aquarius will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, influencing > them and also aspecting 3 other signs which he doesnt own, Aries, > Cancer and Libra. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5. > Aquarius, Capricorn, Aries, Cancer and Libra. > > Hope this clarifies my statement about 44.4%. > > Priya > > > sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Priya, > > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when Saturn > is > > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings the > > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on > houses. > > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > > Mercury > > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > > house. > > > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps to > > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, > occupies/aspects > > 3 > > > another signs. > > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which is > > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > > Mars, > > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > > strongly > > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti > the > > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > > Amatyakaraka > > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > > Rahu > > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 > charts > > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that > almost > > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > SJC Guru > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in nearly > > 50% > > > of > > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to see > > > Saturn's > > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > 40>, > > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " astrology_junior " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Priya This percentage decrease when You take into account other points, so Jyotish is only for those who can see in complex manner. For example You gave the Rahu-AmK example, in Serbia I was discussing these with Sanjayji and with my chart as I have Me-AmK and Rahu aspects by R.Drsti - but Sanjayji said that it will not give politics because Ra and Me are in opposite spokes in Kalachakra axis. In the same way, Sani will give under some consideration only - Sanjayji proposed to see planet in Arudhapada before deciding these. Regards, Rafal Gendarz SJC Guru www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 astrology_junior napisał(a): sohamsa@ ..com, "nix_nixen" <nix_nixen@. ..> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Priya, > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when Saturn is > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings the > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > Warm regards, > Tijana > > > sohamsa@ ..com, "astrology_junior" > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on houses. > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > Mercury > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > house. > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps to > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, occupies/aspects > 3 > > another signs. > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which is > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > Mars, > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > strongly > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti the > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > Amatyakaraka > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > Rahu > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 charts > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that almost > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > Priya > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > wrote: > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > SJC Guru > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in nearly > 50% > > of > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to see > > Saturn's > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40. com>, > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Manoj > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ....> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, "vedicastrostudent" > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, "astrology_junior" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Dear Rafal, Yes this is what I was getting at. Some of the general rules quoted are not very specific and can apply to large percentage of charts. For example I have a few political charts where Rahu is both Amatyakaraka and 10th lord. This would be stronger indication of politics in a chart. Thanks Priya sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Priya > > This percentage decrease when You take into account other points, so > Jyotish is only for those who can see in complex manner. For example You > gave the Rahu-AmK example, in Serbia I was discussing these with > Sanjayji and with my chart as I have Me-AmK and Rahu aspects by R.Drsti > - but Sanjayji said that it will not give politics because Ra and Me are > in opposite spokes in Kalachakra axis. > > In the same way, Sani will give under some consideration only - Sanjayji > proposed to see planet in Arudhapada before deciding these. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Guru > www.rohinaa.com > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40>, > > " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Priya, > > > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > > > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when Saturn > > is > > > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > > > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings the > > > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40>, > > " astrology_junior " > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on > > houses. > > > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > > > Mercury > > > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > > > house. > > > > > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps to > > > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, > > occupies/aspects > > > 3 > > > > another signs. > > > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which is > > > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > > > Mars, > > > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > > > strongly > > > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti > > the > > > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > > > Amatyakaraka > > > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > > > Rahu > > > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 > > charts > > > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that > > almost > > > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > <sohamsa%40>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Guru > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in nearly > > > 50% > > > > of > > > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to see > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, " astrology_junior " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Dear Tijana, The point in question can be anything, any lagna, any house etc, since the root thing we are looking for is Saturn's influence on a particular sign. So anything placed in that sign is automatically under influence of Saturn. The AL or 11th from AL or Lagna has equal chance of being placed in any sign. So we just need to find out the probability of the influence on a sign. Hence you can use the statistics for the second. But we are also assuming that all signs are of equal length timewise. This is not the case, depending on location. Priya sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear Priya, > I don`t mind your long post, it`s a good brain exercise. > Ok. We have three issues here actually. > 1) How many signs Saturn influences from his position excluding > position itself? > 2) How many signs he influences including the position? > 3) What is the percantage of Saturn`s influence on the 11th from AL? > > I focused on the first (don`t ask me why), you gave the statistics > for the second and the question actually was the third. > a)If AL is in any fixed sign, 11th from it will always be dual signs > which means that Saturn can influance it only if in a dual sign. > b) If AL is in any dual sign, 11th from it will be movable sign which > means that Saturn can be in one of the three fixed signs to aspect > it, beside the position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in Meena > where Saturn owns 11th from AL) > c) If AL is in any movable sign 11th from it will be fixed sign so > the Saturn has to be in one of the three movable sign, beside the > position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in Aries where Saturn > owns 11th from AL). > I`m terrible with mathematics so it would take me some time to > calculate this in percantage, but i hope you`ll use this. > Warm regards, > Tijana > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > Dear Tijana, > > > > Sorry for the long post, I could have explained it more easily. > > > > By influence i mean ownership, conjunction or aspect. > > > > It doesnt matter whether Saturn is in own house or not, in all > fixed > > signs Saturn owns 2 signs and aspects 3 other signs which are not > his > > own. So influencing total 5 signs out of 12. > > > > Saturn in Capricorn will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, > > influencing them and also aspect 3 other signs, Scorpio, Leo and > > Taurus. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5, Capricorn, > > Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. > > > > Saturn in Aquarius will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, > influencing > > them and also aspecting 3 other signs which he doesnt own, Aries, > > Cancer and Libra. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5. > > Aquarius, Capricorn, Aries, Cancer and Libra. > > > > Hope this clarifies my statement about 44.4%. > > > > Priya > > > > > > sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Priya, > > > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > > > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when > Saturn > > is > > > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > > > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings > the > > > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > > > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on > > houses. > > > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > > > Mercury > > > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > > > house. > > > > > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps > to > > > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, > > occupies/aspects > > > 3 > > > > another signs. > > > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which > is > > > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > > > Mars, > > > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > > > strongly > > > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti > > the > > > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > > > Amatyakaraka > > > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > > > Rahu > > > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 > > charts > > > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that > > almost > > > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Guru > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in > nearly > > > 50% > > > > of > > > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to > see > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > > 40>, > > > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " astrology_junior " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 hare rama krsna Dear Priya, Generally the world demands technical and systematic approach to the prediction. Form of these You can appreciate by seeing the Darakaraka lecture from Sanjayji where He presents few points which must be present to give *sure* prediction. Guruji Visti Larsen in His lecture also gives this kind of approach which is the real gem for the students. This can come only from Parampara which was nicely said in the Prasna lecture by Sanjyaji. Regards, Rafal Gendarz - SJC Guru email: rafal www.rohinaa.com (+48) 503 44 18 18 astrology_junior napisał(a): Dear Rafal, Yes this is what I was getting at. Some of the general rules quoted are not very specific and can apply to large percentage of charts. For example I have a few political charts where Rahu is both Amatyakaraka and 10th lord. This would be stronger indication of politics in a chart. Thanks Priya sohamsa@ ..com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *hare rama krsna* > > Dear Priya > > This percentage decrease when You take into account other points, so > Jyotish is only for those who can see in complex manner. For example You > gave the Rahu-AmK example, in Serbia I was discussing these with > Sanjayji and with my chart as I have Me-AmK and Rahu aspects by R.Drsti > - but Sanjayji said that it will not give politics because Ra and Me are > in opposite spokes in Kalachakra axis. > > In the same way, Sani will give under some consideration only - Sanjayji > proposed to see planet in Arudhapada before deciding these. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > SJC Guru > www.rohinaa. com > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "nix_nixen" <nix_nixen@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear Priya, > > > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > > > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when Saturn > > is > > > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual sign > > > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings the > > > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "astrology_junior" > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on > > houses. > > > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > > > Mercury > > > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > > > house. > > > > > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability jumps to > > > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, > > occupies/aspects > > > 3 > > > > another signs. > > > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects another 4 > > > > > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, which is > > > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, Jupiter, > > > Mars, > > > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > > > strongly > > > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi drishti > > the > > > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > > > Amatyakaraka > > > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing the > > > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule about > > > Rahu > > > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 > > charts > > > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that > > almost > > > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > SJC Guru > > > > > www.rohinaa. com > > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in nearly > > > 50% > > > > of > > > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to see > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ....> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, "vedicastrostudent" > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ ..com > > > > > > <sohamsa% 40. com>, "astrology_junior" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Priya, thanks for being cooperative. I think i`ll stop here as it seems that some inverting of the thesis is happening along the line of particular sign/position-using or not using reference point (with possible question of the relevance of the same) as bounding factor...Anyway, this is not Jyotish. Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " astrology_junior " <astrology_junior wrote: > > Dear Tijana, > > The point in question can be anything, any lagna, any house etc, > since the root thing we are looking for is Saturn's influence on a > particular sign. So anything placed in that sign is automatically > under influence of Saturn. > > The AL or 11th from AL or Lagna has equal chance of being placed in > any sign. So we just need to find out the probability of the > influence on a sign. > > Hence you can use the statistics for the second. > > But we are also assuming that all signs are of equal length timewise. > This is not the case, depending on location. > > Priya > > > > sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Priya, > > I don`t mind your long post, it`s a good brain exercise. > > Ok. We have three issues here actually. > > 1) How many signs Saturn influences from his position excluding > > position itself? > > 2) How many signs he influences including the position? > > 3) What is the percantage of Saturn`s influence on the 11th from AL? > > > > I focused on the first (don`t ask me why), you gave the statistics > > for the second and the question actually was the third. > > a)If AL is in any fixed sign, 11th from it will always be dual > signs > > which means that Saturn can influance it only if in a dual sign. > > b) If AL is in any dual sign, 11th from it will be movable sign > which > > means that Saturn can be in one of the three fixed signs to aspect > > it, beside the position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in > Meena > > where Saturn owns 11th from AL) > > c) If AL is in any movable sign 11th from it will be fixed sign so > > the Saturn has to be in one of the three movable sign, beside the > > position in the 11th itself (exception is AL in Aries where Saturn > > owns 11th from AL). > > I`m terrible with mathematics so it would take me some time to > > calculate this in percantage, but i hope you`ll use this. > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > > > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tijana, > > > > > > Sorry for the long post, I could have explained it more easily. > > > > > > By influence i mean ownership, conjunction or aspect. > > > > > > It doesnt matter whether Saturn is in own house or not, in all > > fixed > > > signs Saturn owns 2 signs and aspects 3 other signs which are not > > his > > > own. So influencing total 5 signs out of 12. > > > > > > Saturn in Capricorn will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, > > > influencing them and also aspect 3 other signs, Scorpio, Leo and > > > Taurus. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5, Capricorn, > > > Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. > > > > > > Saturn in Aquarius will still own Capricorn and Aquarius, > > influencing > > > them and also aspecting 3 other signs which he doesnt own, Aries, > > > Cancer and Libra. Keeping the total of signs influenced as 5. > > > Aquarius, Capricorn, Aries, Cancer and Libra. > > > > > > Hope this clarifies my statement about 44.4%. > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Priya, > > > > Very good job with calculations, but one mistake crept in. For > > > > movable and fixed signs you don`t count two ownerships when > > Saturn > > > is > > > > in Capricorn (movable) and Aquarius (fixed). When in a dual > sign > > > > Saturn aspects another three dual signs, not four. This brings > > the > > > > calculation to the percentage Rafal gave. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " astrology_junior " > > > > <astrology_junior@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal Ji, > > > > > > > > > > It's 44.4% based on ownership, occupation or sign aspect on > > > houses. > > > > > All planets that own two signs Jupiter, Venus, Mars, Saturn, > > > > Mercury > > > > > have 44.4% probability of strongly influencing any particular > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > If you add yuti with another house lord this probability > jumps > > to > > > > > 52.7% (76 out of 144) eg Saturn > > > > > > > > > > conjoined 11th lord from AL. > > > > > > > > > > In moveable and fixed signs, Saturn owns 2 signs, > > > occupies/aspects > > > > 3 > > > > > another signs. > > > > > In dual signs Saturn owns 2 signs and occupies/aspects > another 4 > > > > > > > > > > This brings the probability to a total of 64 out of 144, > which > > is > > > > > 44.4% at any time Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > owning, has sign aspect or occupying 11th from AL > > > > > > > > > > Extend this probability to all dual ownership planets, > Jupiter, > > > > Mars, > > > > > Saturn, Venus all have 44.4% probability of influencing any > > > > > particular sign. If you include yuti with another planet as > > > > strongly > > > > > influencing then it becomes 52.7% > > > > > > > > > > Another good example is the rule about Rahu and politics... > > > > > > > > > > Even if you take only influence of Rahu directly on Amk, this > > > > > probability is 63.8% that Rahu aspects by Graha or Rasi > drishti > > > the > > > > > Amatyakaraka. If you include the times when Rahu is the > > > > Amatyakaraka > > > > > then this probability jumps to 68.4% > > > > > > > > > > So almost 70% of all charts have Rahu strongly influencing > the > > > > > Amatyakaraka directly. > > > > > > > > > > Using Graha or Rasi drishti as well and Guru Visti's rule > about > > > > Rahu > > > > > influencing either Amatyakaraka or depositor of Amatyakaraka. > > > > > > > > > > 89% of all charts have this combination. Randomly look at 50 > > > charts > > > > > and count how many have that combination for politics. > > > > > > > > > > Which means you have to be careful when applying a rule that > > > almost > > > > > 90% of all charts have automatically. > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *hare rama krsna* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > 33% if we stick to yuti and drsti on the bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > SJC Guru > > > > > > www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > (+48) 503 44 18 18 > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology_junior napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn will have something to do with 11th from AL in > > nearly > > > > 50% > > > > > of > > > > > > > all charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There should be financial yogas present before we try to > > see > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > influence on 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not necessary. I do not what the scriptures say, but > > > > > > > > in my case I have Saturn in 11th house and during my > > > > > > > > Saturn Mahadasha I had mediocre financial condition. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > > --- astrology_junior <astrology_junior@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong Saturn connected to 11th from AL can give big > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See charts of Ambani, Akbar, Queen Victoria etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " vedicastrostudent " > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrostudent@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dont all planets in 11th from AL give gains? So > > > > > > > > > I'm guessing both > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Ketu will be qualified to give gains. > > > > > > > > > Although I'm > > > > > > > > > > wondering what will happen if one of the planets > > > > > > > > > in the 11th from > > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > > > > > is actually itself the lord of 12th from AL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa@ .com > > > > > > > <sohamsa%40>, " astrology_junior " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <astrology_junior@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have info on when Saturn is strong > > > > > > > > > to give gains when > > > > > > > > > > > associating with 11th from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is conjunct Ketu, is it weak to give > > > > > > > > > income when > > > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > > with 11th from AL ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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