Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Dear Visti & friends Namaskar. The chart given below is that of a young man suffering from delusion and paranoid tendencies. He has started accusing the mother and elder brother of conspiring to have robed their fate. He has been living with his Brother on his earning.Brother is maintaining expenditure of natives wife and child, but native does not talk to his elder brother. He curses all the family members but to outside world He apatantly has no problem.Birth Data September 22, 1981; 7:13 PM; 78E02, 27 N 11. On advice of one of Gurus of SJC Parents visited and got puja done at Kuke Subraminum.Lot of other pujas have been done.He is a great source of Negative Energy and family members are always distubed and remain under apprehension and fear. It is extremely difficult to communicate any thing to him .He is imprisoned in his own world of imagination. Can such cases yield to remedies.He is regular visitor to Maa vaishno Devi and apperas to worship her, but does not talk with her real mother on this earth for last some month. He is under SatMD and JupAD of Mool dasa.Jup is forming Brahmashaap Sat is conjoing it.Jup is Badhkesh, I don't know if this concept can apply in mool dasa. Mer-MD Moon- AD in shatabidaka Dasa has shown mental condition deteriorating beyond comprehension. It is not possible to take him to psychiater therefore this posting if some remedy can help him if done by other family members or purohits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Hare Krishna Dear R.C. Srivastava. CAn you please find out what precipitated the change? Or please confirm when the change of personality occured. Sorry to say but most cases of paranoid delusions require intervention of psychiatric medicines to bring the person ,at least down to earth wherin they can see reality and are willing to help themselves.Those drugs are heavy and heartbreaking to use , but they are effective in severe cases of delusion. There are 2 things, 1) true mental breakdown, which can be caused from something simple physical like vitamin deficiency or infection, or any one of a number of diseases, so suggest thorough exam with blood work from competitent MD who is advised ahead of time what the problems are, OR can be just the stress of life 2)possesion by spirit(badhaka situation,or more) I will look at the chart, what Im saying is, regardless, I hope they have taken him to a competent ayurvedic or medical doctor to rule out physical disease. WIth regards lakshmi sohamsa , " R.C.Srivastava " <swami_rcs wrote: > > Dear Visti & friends Namaskar. > The chart given below is that of a young man suffering from delusion > and paranoid tendencies. He has started accusing the mother and > elder brother of conspiring to have robed their fate. He has been > living with his Brother on his earning.Brother is maintaining > expenditure of natives wife and child, but native does not talk to > his elder brother. > He curses all the family members but to outside world He apatantly > has no problem.Birth Data September 22, 1981; 7:13 PM; 78E02, 27 N > 11. > On advice of one of Gurus of SJC Parents visited and got puja done > at Kuke Subraminum.Lot of other pujas have been done.He is a great > source of Negative Energy and family members are always distubed and > remain under apprehension and fear. It is extremely difficult to > communicate any thing to him .He is imprisoned in his own world of > imagination. > Can such cases yield to remedies.He is regular visitor to Maa > vaishno Devi and apperas to worship her, but does not talk with her > real mother on this earth for last some month. > He is under SatMD and JupAD of Mool dasa.Jup is forming Brahmashaap > Sat is conjoing it.Jup is Badhkesh, I don't know if this concept can > apply in mool dasa. > Mer-MD Moon- AD in shatabidaka Dasa has shown mental condition > deteriorating beyond comprehension. > It is not possible to take him to psychiater therefore this posting > if some remedy can help him if done by other family members or > purohits? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Dear Shrivastava, This chart shows a lot of problems. 1. Paka Lagna is afflicted by Shani and Surya where Shani on the higher degree indicate a diseas coming from the Paka, understanding and lack of intelligence manifsting as a type of behaviour you described, where Guru is at the same time cursed showing a loss of sense of value and integrity. 2. Budha and Shukra show loss of physical and mental health and well being due to his own nija dosha or past sins. 3. Mangal and Rahu destroy the 5th house of Chitta and future, and give mental abberation and complete destruction of the 5th house as per Vara chakra. The only hope is chandra however Mangal hates Chandra and will not want to help. 4. Ketu in 11th gives headless behaviour and a person may be severely punished for it. 5. Though Shatabdhika dasha illustrates the event, VUD teaches us to apply first Dvisaptati sama dasha which is currently of Mangal. Mangal destroys the 5th house of mind with Rahu and further hates Chandra in the 4th house *Mother, and Budha and shukra in 11th from Al *elder brother who is negatively aspected by Mangal. So, he will not want to allow the remedies to take place. Being in dual navamsa, some suffering will have to pass, however to me Shukla in exaltation and Guru in exaltation look very bright. Neverthless, Navamsa perhaps may not be correct. So the remedies depend on the graha pinpointed. In my humble opinion, the remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out the Mangal and Rahu problem. Best wishes Zoran > Dear Visti & friends Namaskar. > The chart given below is that of a young man suffering from delusion > and paranoid tendencies. He has started accusing the mother and > elder brother of conspiring to have robed their fate. He has been > living with his Brother on his earning.Brother is maintaining > expenditure of natives wife and child, but native does not talk to > his elder brother. > He curses all the family members but to outside world He apatantly > has no problem.Birth Data September 22, 1981; 7:13 PM; 78E02, 27 N > 11. > On advice of one of Gurus of SJC Parents visited and got puja done > at Kuke Subraminum.Lot of other pujas have been done.He is a great > source of Negative Energy and family members are always distubed and > remain under apprehension and fear. It is extremely difficult to > communicate any thing to him .He is imprisoned in his own world of > imagination. > Can such cases yield to remedies.He is regular visitor to Maa > vaishno Devi and apperas to worship her, but does not talk with her > real mother on this earth for last some month. > He is under SatMD and JupAD of Mool dasa.Jup is forming Brahmashaap > Sat is conjoing it.Jup is Badhkesh, I don't know if this concept can > apply in mool dasa. > Mer-MD Moon- AD in shatabidaka Dasa has shown mental condition > deteriorating beyond comprehension. > It is not possible to take him to psychiater therefore this posting > if some remedy can help him if done by other family members or > purohits? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 *Om mahaganapataye namah* I thank Both Sarvshree Zoran & lakshmikary for analysis and suggestions.I will wait or reading from madam Laxmikerry. The native enjoyed family wealth and comfortable support being youngest.Ciruimstances leading to compulsion to earn for himself and his own family around Dec2006-march 2007 created transformation in personality and radical change.The pattern of Behaviour had been uncompromising and synical right from beginning.Abhichaar is not ruled out for there are hidden enemies all around him.At the moment Native is struggling and earning but his behaviour is intolerable to only family members.He is wellbehaved to customers of his shop. Now it is sure : in this state no one can take him to Docter or convince him that he needs help. Sh Zoran has analysed beautifully ,I have not checked Dvisapti Sama dasa( perhaps visti once advised to apply this Dasa to this chart) now I shall wait for input from Laxmikerry and would like to ask " remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out the Mangal and Rahu problem " So What remedies can help? Thanking in anticipation. OM TAT SAT.---------------------- R.C.Srivastava -- Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy our sins, and guide us in the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 Om Namah Shivaja, Dear Srivastava, Normally, when Such problem is there in the 5th bhava (Rahu and Mangal), Budha should be a remedy in the form of Mother/Tripura. However, I am not qualified to advise mantra on that. I have a problem to understand as how the mother is so dedicated to this boy, since my understanding of the chart indicates that he is the one who loves mother too much and feels betrayed by mother's cold shoulder who is more inclined to support the elder brother more, even in material sense.The mother seems too money-minded though. What you say that he was supproted by brother is seen in the chart clearly, but not willingly by the side of a brother. The boy either has to earn for that, or that is the result of a comprimise done by a mother. Best wishes Zoran > > *Om mahaganapataye namah* > I thank Both Sarvshree Zoran & lakshmikary for analysis > and suggestions.I will wait or reading from madam Laxmikerry. > The native enjoyed family wealth and comfortable > support being youngest.Ciruimstances leading to compulsion to earn for > himself and his own family around > Dec2006-march 2007 created transformation in personality and radical > change.The pattern of Behaviour > had been uncompromising and synical right from beginning.Abhichaar is not > ruled out for there are hidden enemies all around him.At the moment Native > is struggling and earning but his behaviour is intolerable to only family > members.He is wellbehaved to customers of his shop. > Now it is sure : in this state no one can take him to Docter or convince > him that he needs help. Sh Zoran has analysed beautifully ,I have not > checked Dvisapti Sama dasa( perhaps visti once advised to apply this Dasa > to this > chart) now I shall wait for input from Laxmikerry and would like to ask > " remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out the Mangal and > Rahu problem " So What remedies can help? > Thanking in anticipation. > OM TAT SAT.---------------------- > R.C.Srivastava > -- > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > our sins, and guide us in the right direction > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 II Om Gurave Namah IIOm hrim gam hrim Mahaganapatayai namah swahaHari OM Dear Zoran, I will answer to the best of my knowledge and understanding. Mother of the Native is highly religious very kind lady.She regularly visits ashram distribute gifts and helps poor.What you mention is the view of Native about her mother, But to my knowledge It is she who has allowed squandering wealth of family through him.She does not support elder monitorily but helps him in case of need. If a person donates frequently for genuine cause My understanding is she can not be lebeled as Money minded.However family of Native has restricted flow of money to enable native to realize that he needs to learn to stand on his own. I am not aware , if support from brother is willingly or otherwise. Now if remedies can work, I wonder who can help? Thanks for your efforts.I am waiting for inputs from other Gurus on the list. Om TAT SAT. OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.Srivastava------------------------ " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Zoran, Yes, I agree !!!!! in the sense that he has Moon in 4th,so he shouldve been very attached to home and mother. but 4th lord is with 3rd lord in 8th , ,,etc etc A6 is there , and so something to do with wife and mother and brother , he felt very betrayed by them and is now suffering and lashing out and bitter. Now Rahu and Mars in 5th shows to me he might have a somewhat foul disposition to begin with,or tendancy to snap back when threatened. NOT that he is psychiatrically ill, as it appeared from original post. I think he is naturally having problems with his thoughts, and this " incident " or situation has triggered the worst side of his nature. Let the mother and brother give him some space to live his life. I can not see how they can help him other than give support.Do not antagonzie him. At any rate it is clear that he feels threatened and hurt by relatives.etc Let him continue t worship in form of mother. Best wishes Lakshmi -- In sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsa wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaja, > Dear Srivastava, > Normally, when Such problem is there in the 5th bhava (Rahu and > Mangal), Budha should be a remedy in the form of Mother/Tripura. > However, I am not qualified to advise mantra on that. I have a > problem to understand as how the mother is so dedicated to this boy, > since my understanding of the chart indicates that he is the one who > loves mother too much and feels betrayed by mother's cold shoulder > who is more inclined to support the elder brother more, even in > material sense.The mother seems too money-minded though. What you say > that he was supproted by brother is seen in the chart clearly, but > not willingly by the side of a brother. The boy either has to earn > for that, or that is the result of a comprimise done by a mother. > Best wishes > Zoran > > > > *Om mahaganapataye namah* > > I thank Both Sarvshree Zoran & lakshmikary for analysis > > and suggestions.I will wait or reading from madam Laxmikerry. > > The native enjoyed family wealth and comfortable > > support being youngest.Ciruimstances leading to compulsion to earn > for > > himself and his own family around > > Dec2006-march 2007 created transformation in personality and > radical > > change.The pattern of Behaviour > > had been uncompromising and synical right from beginning.Abhichaar > is not > > ruled out for there are hidden enemies all around him.At the moment > Native > > is struggling and earning but his behaviour is intolerable to only > family > > members.He is wellbehaved to customers of his shop. > > Now it is sure : in this state no one can take him to Docter or > convince > > him that he needs help. Sh Zoran has analysed beautifully ,I have > not > > checked Dvisapti Sama dasa( perhaps visti once advised to apply > this Dasa > > to this > > chart) now I shall wait for input from Laxmikerry and would like to > ask > > " remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out the > Mangal and > > Rahu problem " So What remedies can help? > > Thanking in anticipation. > > OM TAT SAT.---------------------- > > R.C.Srivastava > > -- > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 P.S. I am concerned that RAHU in cancer, with Mars are in the 8th from AL. and aspecting the 3rd from AL. IN addition per vimshottari(ok to use, as a number of planets in kendra from lagna and moon in kendra) he is in Mercury Maha Dasa and this is in the 8th house etc etc.Mercury is lord of 22 drekkana and also 64 navamsa depending on which way yu want to calculate.etc Per Dwi saptati he is in Mars,,,, equally worrisome Saturn in transiting retro in 2nd from Moon and will be moving to leo. Zoran, look more at a wifes involvement in the situation Best wishes Lakshmi sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Zoran, > Yes, I agree !!!!! > in the sense that he has Moon in 4th,so he shouldve been very > attached to home and mother. > but 4th lord is with 3rd lord in 8th , ,,etc etc A6 > is there , > and so something to do with wife and mother and brother , he felt > very betrayed by them and is now suffering and lashing out and bitter. > Now Rahu and Mars in 5th shows to me he might have a somewhat foul > disposition to begin with,or tendancy to snap back when threatened. > NOT that he is psychiatrically ill, as it appeared from original post. > I think he is naturally having problems with his thoughts, and > this " incident " or situation has triggered the worst side of his > nature. > Let the mother and brother give him some space to live his life. > I can not see how they can help him other than give support.Do not > antagonzie him. > At any rate it is clear that he feels threatened and hurt by > relatives.etc > > Let him continue t worship in form of mother. > > Best wishes > Lakshmi > > -- In sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsa@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Shivaja, > > Dear Srivastava, > > Normally, when Such problem is there in the 5th bhava (Rahu and > > Mangal), Budha should be a remedy in the form of Mother/Tripura. > > However, I am not qualified to advise mantra on that. I have a > > problem to understand as how the mother is so dedicated to this > boy, > > since my understanding of the chart indicates that he is the one > who > > loves mother too much and feels betrayed by mother's cold shoulder > > who is more inclined to support the elder brother more, even in > > material sense.The mother seems too money-minded though. What you > say > > that he was supproted by brother is seen in the chart clearly, but > > not willingly by the side of a brother. The boy either has to earn > > for that, or that is the result of a comprimise done by a mother. > > Best wishes > > Zoran > > > > > > *Om mahaganapataye namah* > > > I thank Both Sarvshree Zoran & lakshmikary for analysis > > > and suggestions.I will wait or reading from madam Laxmikerry. > > > The native enjoyed family wealth and comfortable > > > support being youngest.Ciruimstances leading to compulsion to > earn > > for > > > himself and his own family around > > > Dec2006-march 2007 created transformation in personality and > > radical > > > change.The pattern of Behaviour > > > had been uncompromising and synical right from > beginning.Abhichaar > > is not > > > ruled out for there are hidden enemies all around him.At the > moment > > Native > > > is struggling and earning but his behaviour is intolerable to > only > > family > > > members.He is wellbehaved to customers of his shop. > > > Now it is sure : in this state no one can take him to Docter or > > convince > > > him that he needs help. Sh Zoran has analysed beautifully ,I have > > not > > > checked Dvisapti Sama dasa( perhaps visti once advised to apply > > this Dasa > > > to this > > > chart) now I shall wait for input from Laxmikerry and would like > to > > ask > > > " remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out the > > Mangal and > > > Rahu problem " So What remedies can help? > > > Thanking in anticipation. > > > OM TAT SAT.---------------------- > > > R.C.Srivastava > > > -- > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya, Dear Shrivastava, I am sorry for not having more time to go much deeper into this analyses. What I said about the native is HIS view of the mother, however, 4th lord Budha with Shukra being at the same time 4th from Moon, gives very cultured lady as a mother, however, money/minded is a bit strong word. Sorry I am not a native speaker, yet careful about the money should be the right one. Note that this combination gives a special type of vivaha. Nevertheless, the real nature of the mother should be seen in d-12 chart. Being Rashi chart this still confines to his views in a great deal. And there are much more to be said about this chart, but hopefully we will meet at the next conference or in summer in India, so we can discuss this more.But that is where the problem was, right? This still leaves my previous reading about his attitude as quite corect, right? Tripura Mantra is given in vedic remedies, however, I have not done it and I know that there are some strict rules as how to do it, so if someone who has done the sadhana or is otherwise qualified can help, that would be nice. Best wishes Zoran > Dear Zoran, > I will answer to the best of my knowledge and understanding. > Mother of the Native is highly religious very kind lady.She regularly > visits ashram distribute gifts and helps poor.What you mention is the view of Native about her mother, But to my knowledge It is she who has allowed > squandering wealth of family through him.She does not support elder monitorily but helps him in case of need. > If a person donates frequently for genuine cause My understanding is she can not be lebeled as Money minded.However family of Native has restricted flow of money to enable native to realize that he needs to learn to stand on his own. > I am not aware , if support from brother is willingly or otherwise. > Now if remedies can work, I wonder who can help? > Thanks for your efforts.I am waiting for inputs from other Gurus on the list. > Om TAT SAT. > > > > > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > R.C.Srivastava > ------------------------ > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Hara Rama Krishna, Dear Laksmi, That is very good observation. This is surely dusthamarana. What I am worried is navamsa of Mars. It shows danger from bullets or sharp weapons, together with makar navamsa which is 2nd from it showing bad and violent death. So, unless his temper is put under the control, he can draw himself into such situations. The wife is seen in Mesha Upapada, and lorded by mars and Rahu in cancer in 5th house from Lagna..hmm. surely adds a lot of fuel. One thing is sure, she and his brother and mother are not in good terms.I cannot check Navamsa, due to slight possibility of change of birth time. Actually I think navamsa should be Kumbha. Best wishes Zoran I am concerned that RAHU in cancer, with Mars are in the 8th from AL. > and aspecting the 3rd from AL. > IN addition per vimshottari(ok to use, as a number of planets in > kendra from lagna and moon in kendra) he is in Mercury Maha Dasa and > this is in the 8th house etc etc.Mercury is lord of 22 drekkana and > also 64 navamsa depending on which way yu want to calculate.etc > Per Dwi saptati he is in Mars,,,, equally worrisome > Saturn in transiting retro in 2nd from Moon and will be moving to leo. > > Zoran, look more at a wifes involvement in the situation > Best wishes > Lakshmi > > sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary@> wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Zoran, > > Yes, I agree !!!!! > > in the sense that he has Moon in 4th,so he shouldve been very > > attached to home and mother. > > but 4th lord is with 3rd lord in 8th , ,,etc etc A6 > > is there , > > and so something to do with wife and mother and brother , he felt > > very betrayed by them and is now suffering and lashing out and > bitter. > > Now Rahu and Mars in 5th shows to me he might have a somewhat foul > > disposition to begin with,or tendancy to snap back when threatened. > > NOT that he is psychiatrically ill, as it appeared from original > post. > > I think he is naturally having problems with his thoughts, and > > this " incident " or situation has triggered the worst side of his > > nature. > > Let the mother and brother give him some space to live his life. > > I can not see how they can help him other than give support.Do not > > antagonzie him. > > At any rate it is clear that he feels threatened and hurt by > > relatives.etc > > > > Let him continue t worship in form of mother. > > > > Best wishes > > Lakshmi > > > > -- In sohamsa , " ahimsavm " <ahimsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaja, > > > Dear Srivastava, > > > Normally, when Such problem is there in the 5th bhava (Rahu and > > > Mangal), Budha should be a remedy in the form of Mother/Tripura. > > > However, I am not qualified to advise mantra on that. I have a > > > problem to understand as how the mother is so dedicated to this > > boy, > > > since my understanding of the chart indicates that he is the one > > who > > > loves mother too much and feels betrayed by mother's cold > shoulder > > > who is more inclined to support the elder brother more, even in > > > material sense.The mother seems too money-minded though. What you > > say > > > that he was supproted by brother is seen in the chart clearly, > but > > > not willingly by the side of a brother. The boy either has to > earn > > > for that, or that is the result of a comprimise done by a mother. > > > Best wishes > > > Zoran > > > > > > > > *Om mahaganapataye namah* > > > > I thank Both Sarvshree Zoran & lakshmikary for analysis > > > > and suggestions.I will wait or reading from madam Laxmikerry. > > > > The native enjoyed family wealth and comfortable > > > > support being youngest.Ciruimstances leading to compulsion to > > earn > > > for > > > > himself and his own family around > > > > Dec2006-march 2007 created transformation in personality and > > > radical > > > > change.The pattern of Behaviour > > > > had been uncompromising and synical right from > > beginning.Abhichaar > > > is not > > > > ruled out for there are hidden enemies all around him.At the > > moment > > > Native > > > > is struggling and earning but his behaviour is intolerable to > > only > > > family > > > > members.He is wellbehaved to customers of his shop. > > > > Now it is sure : in this state no one can take him to Docter > or > > > convince > > > > him that he needs help. Sh Zoran has analysed beautifully ,I > have > > > not > > > > checked Dvisapti Sama dasa( perhaps visti once advised to > apply > > > this Dasa > > > > to this > > > > chart) now I shall wait for input from Laxmikerry and would > like > > to > > > ask > > > > " remedies should be focused on Chandra,since it can take out > the > > > Mangal and > > > > Rahu problem " So What remedies can help? > > > > Thanking in anticipation. > > > > OM TAT SAT.---------------------- > > > > R.C.Srivastava > > > > -- > > > > Oh Creator Of The Universe ! We meditate upon thy > > > > radiant power that illuminate our intellects, destroy > > > > our sins, and guide us in the right direction > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.