Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Dear Soul Sadhak, I have my own way of doing logevity calculations (I am still in the process of enhancing this method). According to me, the critical period in terms of longevity for you would be either Sani-Mars or Sani-Rahu period. Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Dear All, > > My birth details are: > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these rules: > > 1. Method of Pairs: > a) Lagna lord + L-8 : Sa in Pi + Sa in Pi (L-8 as per the > vriddha > karika)= Dual + Dual = ML (medium life span) > > b) Mo + Sa: Li + Pi = Mov + Dual = SL > > c) Lagna + HL: Aq + Aq = F + F = SL > > Range: 0-36, Age limit? : 36? > > 2. 8th lord placement: > > L-8 MeR (from lagna) in 12h = SL ?? > Or L-8 wrt Vriddha K Sa in 2h = ML ?? > > 3. Rudra (MeR) in 12h = SL/ 1st Q > > 4. Method of 3 lords: > L-1: Sa = 225 > L-8: Me? (wrt lagna) 501 Or Sa? (wrt Vriddha k) 225 > L-10: Ma 312 > Anycase, looks like SL again. > > Exceptions to these are: > 1. Maheshwara (Su) in quadrant (lagna) = LL long life span / > 4th Q > > As of now i am beyond 36, so do I look for timing in the 36-45 > range? Why? or have i miscalculated something. > > also, how does progression of lagna in nav/D-30 work, if i am > not > wrong, the age in yrs comes to be 42,44 wrt nav and D-30 > combined. > > just for info: the TOB has prev. been confirmed in this forum > as > correct based on timing of mother's expiry. > > i dont really look forward to a long life span in particular > and my > efforts in lifetime are more of spiritual orientation than > anything > else, and dying old & dependent in itself feels like a curse, > so > please feel free to discuss and offer ur opinions and advise. > My only true innate objective in this lifetime is to work > towards > being at Shiva's feet, rest is immaterial or material as one > may > choose to see. > > GodBless > SS > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Soul Sadhak, My earlier response was based on the date given as 18/feb/1968 in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is different in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you wnated to convey a different date? What is the correct date of birth? Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Dear All, > > My birth details are: > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these rules: > > 1. Method of Pairs: > a) Lagna lord + L-8 : Sa in Pi + Sa in Pi (L-8 as per the > vriddha > karika)= Dual + Dual = ML (medium life span) > > b) Mo + Sa: Li + Pi = Mov + Dual = SL > > c) Lagna + HL: Aq + Aq = F + F = SL > > Range: 0-36, Age limit? : 36? > > 2. 8th lord placement: > > L-8 MeR (from lagna) in 12h = SL ?? > Or L-8 wrt Vriddha K Sa in 2h = ML ?? > > 3. Rudra (MeR) in 12h = SL/ 1st Q > > 4. Method of 3 lords: > L-1: Sa = 225 > L-8: Me? (wrt lagna) 501 Or Sa? (wrt Vriddha k) 225 > L-10: Ma 312 > Anycase, looks like SL again. > > Exceptions to these are: > 1. Maheshwara (Su) in quadrant (lagna) = LL long life span / > 4th Q > > As of now i am beyond 36, so do I look for timing in the 36-45 > range? Why? or have i miscalculated something. > > also, how does progression of lagna in nav/D-30 work, if i am > not > wrong, the age in yrs comes to be 42,44 wrt nav and D-30 > combined. > > just for info: the TOB has prev. been confirmed in this forum > as > correct based on timing of mother's expiry. > > i dont really look forward to a long life span in particular > and my > efforts in lifetime are more of spiritual orientation than > anything > else, and dying old & dependent in itself feels like a curse, > so > please feel free to discuss and offer ur opinions and advise. > My only true innate objective in this lifetime is to work > towards > being at Shiva's feet, rest is immaterial or material as one > may > choose to see. > > GodBless > SS > > > ______________________________\ ____ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Soul Sadhak, Changing the date, did not change things fundamentally. I still feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in your case. My method consists of the following steps: 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its ownership of houses, placement and conjunctions 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a planet is exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and Chandra (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the amount of attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and purnayu. (I got madhyayu in your case) 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only 2-3 planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas of these planets and identify in which MD the death would come. 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I would not go into more specifics at this point of time as I am still in the process of testing my methodology using the charts of people who have already passed away. Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one might have > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the fault > is > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers already > have > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies 18th - > hence it > has me confused at times. > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still am > learning > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as well, i'd > like > to understand. > > GodBless > Astroseeker > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as > 18/feb/1968 > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is > different > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you wnated to > > convey a different date? > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these rules: > > > > > > 1. Method of Pairs: > > > a) Lagna lord + L-8 : Sa in Pi + Sa in Pi (L-8 as per the > > > vriddha > > > karika)= Dual + Dual = ML (medium life span) > > > > > > b) Mo + Sa: Li + Pi = Mov + Dual = SL > > > > > > c) Lagna + HL: Aq + Aq = F + F = SL > > > > > > Range: 0-36, Age limit? : 36? > > > > > > 2. 8th lord placement: > > > > > > L-8 MeR (from lagna) in 12h = SL ?? > > > Or L-8 wrt Vriddha K Sa in 2h = ML ?? > > > > > > 3. Rudra (MeR) in 12h = SL/ 1st Q > > > > > > 4. Method of 3 lords: > > > L-1: Sa = 225 > > > L-8: Me? (wrt lagna) 501 Or Sa? (wrt Vriddha k) 225 > > > L-10: Ma 312 > > > Anycase, looks like SL again. > > > > > > Exceptions to these are: > > > 1. Maheshwara (Su) in quadrant (lagna) = LL long life span > / > > > 4th Q > > > > > > As of now i am beyond 36, so do I look for timing in the > 36-45 > > > range? Why? or have i miscalculated something. > > > > > > also, how does progression of lagna in nav/D-30 work, if i > am > > > not > > > wrong, the age in yrs comes to be 42,44 wrt nav and D-30 > > > combined. > > > > > > just for info: the TOB has prev. been confirmed in this > forum > > > as > > > correct based on timing of mother's expiry. > > > > > > i dont really look forward to a long life span in > particular > > > and my > > > efforts in lifetime are more of spiritual orientation than > > > anything > > > else, and dying old & dependent in itself feels like a > curse, > > > so > > > please feel free to discuss and offer ur opinions and > advise. > > > My only true innate objective in this lifetime is to work > > > towards > > > being at Shiva's feet, rest is immaterial or material as > one > > > may > > > choose to see. > > > > > > GodBless > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________ > > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A. > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 ||Namaha Shivaya|| Dear SS, I did read your mail! I know this technique is a bit long drawn, so I have never really practiced it often. I probably never think of ' longevity' as an issue. Regards Sharat sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak wrote:>> Dear Krishna,> > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one might have > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the fault is > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers already have > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies 18th - hence it > has me confused at times.> > i really apologise for the mix-up.> > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still am learning > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as well, i'd like > to understand.> > GodBless> Astroseeker> sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > krishna_1998@ wrote:> >> > Dear Soul Sadhak,> > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as 18/feb/1968> > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is different> > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you wnated to> > convey a different date? > > > > What is the correct date of birth?> > > > Regards,> > Krishna> > > > --- Soul Sadhak soulsadhak@ wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > My birth details are:> > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india.> > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these rules:> > > > > > 1. Method of Pairs:> > > a) Lagna lord + L-8 : Sa in Pi + Sa in Pi (L-8 as per the> > > vriddha> > > karika)= Dual + Dual = ML (medium life span)> > > > > > b) Mo + Sa: Li + Pi = Mov + Dual = SL> > > > > > c) Lagna + HL: Aq + Aq = F + F = SL> > > > > > Range: 0-36, Age limit? : 36?> > > > > > 2. 8th lord placement:> > > > > > L-8 MeR (from lagna) in 12h = SL ??> > > Or L-8 wrt Vriddha K Sa in 2h = ML ??> > > > > > 3. Rudra (MeR) in 12h = SL/ 1st Q> > > > > > 4. Method of 3 lords:> > > L-1: Sa = 225> > > L-8: Me? (wrt lagna) 501 Or Sa? (wrt Vriddha k) 225> > > L-10: Ma 312> > > Anycase, looks like SL again.> > > > > > Exceptions to these are:> > > 1. Maheshwara (Su) in quadrant (lagna) = LL long life span /> > > 4th Q> > > > > > As of now i am beyond 36, so do I look for timing in the 36-45> > > range? Why? or have i miscalculated something.> > > > > > also, how does progression of lagna in nav/D-30 work, if i am> > > not> > > wrong, the age in yrs comes to be 42,44 wrt nav and D-30> > > combined.> > > > > > just for info: the TOB has prev. been confirmed in this forum> > > as> > > correct based on timing of mother's expiry.> > > > > > i dont really look forward to a long life span in particular> > > and my> > > efforts in lifetime are more of spiritual orientation than> > > anything> > > else, and dying old & dependent in itself feels like a curse,> > > so> > > please feel free to discuss and offer ur opinions and advise.> > > My only true innate objective in this lifetime is to work> > > towards> > > being at Shiva's feet, rest is immaterial or material as one> > > may> > > choose to see.> > > > > > GodBless> > > SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________> _______________> > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > > in the Answers Food & Drink Q & A.> > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545367> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear Soul Sadhak, I wish my method did not yield correct result in your case and you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that time to validate my method :-)) I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for you as Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be either Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used it to convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. For example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus is the owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two maraka houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In addition, if it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more maraka point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more point and so on... Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. However, > Sa-Ma > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the rules I > was > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa-Ma). > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a bit > later, > hoping to have more responses from learned members and Gurus. > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my transition > date and > u can validate ur method ;-) > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term marakatwa > for me – > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but just in > case I > don't misunderstand. > > GodBless > SS > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > Changing the date, did not change things fundamentally. I > still > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in your > case. > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > ownership > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > planet is > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > Chandra > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the amount > of > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > purnayu. > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only 2-3 > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas of > these > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I would > not > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am still > in > > the process of testing my methodology using the charts of > people > > who have already passed away. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one might > have > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the > fault > > > is > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers > already > > > have > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies 18th > - > > > hence it > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still am > > > learning > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as well, > i'd > > > like > > > to understand. > > > > > > GodBless > > > Astroseeker > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is > > > different > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you > wnated to > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these rules: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Method of Pairs: > > > > > a) Lagna lord + L-8 : Sa in Pi + Sa in Pi (L-8 as per > the > > > > > vriddha > > > > > karika)= Dual + Dual = ML (medium life span) > > > > > > > > > > b) Mo + Sa: Li + Pi = Mov + Dual = SL > > > > > > > > > > c) Lagna + HL: Aq + Aq = F + F = SL > > > > > > > > > > Range: 0-36, Age limit? : 36? > > > > > > > > > > 2. 8th lord placement: > > > > > > > > > > L-8 MeR (from lagna) in 12h = SL ?? > > > > > Or L-8 wrt Vriddha K Sa in 2h = ML ?? > > > > > > > > > > 3. Rudra (MeR) in 12h = SL/ 1st Q > > > > > > > > > > 4. Method of 3 lords: > > > > > L-1: Sa = 225 > > > > > L-8: Me? (wrt lagna) 501 Or Sa? (wrt Vriddha k) 225 > > > > > L-10: Ma 312 > > > > > Anycase, looks like SL again. > > > > > > > > > > Exceptions to these are: > > > > > 1. Maheshwara (Su) in quadrant (lagna) = LL long life > span > > > / > > > > > 4th Q > > > > > > > > > > As of now i am beyond 36, so do I look for timing in > the > > > 36-45 > > > > > range? Why? or have i miscalculated something. > > > > > > > > > > also, how does progression of lagna in nav/D-30 work, > if i > > > am > > > > > not > > > > > wrong, the age in yrs comes to be 42,44 wrt nav and > D-30 > > > > > combined. > > > > > > > > > > just for info: the TOB has prev. been confirmed in > this > > > forum > > > > > as > > > > > correct based on timing of mother's expiry. > > > > > > > > > > i dont really look forward to a long life span in > > > particular > > > > > and my > > > > > efforts in lifetime are more of spiritual orientation > than > > > > > anything > > > > > else, and dying old & dependent in itself feels like a > > > curse, > > > > > so > > > > > please feel free to discuss and offer ur opinions and > > > advise. > > > > > My only true innate objective in this lifetime is to > work > > > > > towards > > > > > being at Shiva's feet, rest is immaterial or material > as > > > one > > > > > may > > > > > choose to see. > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Be a better Heartthrob. 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Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Dear SS, I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your first mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar approach on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that better to plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area with this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of our exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no modifications are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he can not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances though. Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. It is interesting to note that both of us are using completely different approaches and completely different dasha systems and yet narrowed down to the same period. Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a good sport :-)) Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Hi Krishna, > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > (Sa-Ma), and > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc wasnt > based > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > gives > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > life so > please dont worry about that :-) > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > confirmation to that ;-) > > GodBless > SS > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your case > and > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that time > to > > validate my method :-)) > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for you > as > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be either > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used it to > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. For > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus is > the > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two maraka > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In addition, > if > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > maraka > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more > point > > and so on... > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > However, > > > Sa-Ma > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the rules > I > > > was > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a bit > > > later, > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > Gurus. > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my transition > > > date and > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > marakatwa > > > for me – > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but just > in > > > case I > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > GodBless > > > SS > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things fundamentally. > I > > > still > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > your > > > case. > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > ownership > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > planet is > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > > Chandra > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > amount > > > of > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > purnayu. > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > 2-3 > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > of > > > these > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I > would > > > not > > > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am > still > > > in > > > > the process of testing my methodology using the charts > of > > > people > > > > who have already passed away. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one > might > > > have > > > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the > > > fault > > > > > is > > > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers > > > already > > > > > have > > > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies > 18th > > > - > > > > > hence it > > > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still > am > > > > > learning > > > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as > well, > > > i'd > > > > > like > > > > > to understand. > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > Astroseeker > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as > > > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is > > > > > different > > > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you > > > wnated to > > > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these > rules: > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. http://farechase./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) but has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and substantiate the theory with Bill Gates' chart. Thanks Souvik sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear SS, > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your first > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar approach > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that better to > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area with > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of our > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no modifications > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he can > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances though. > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using completely > different approaches and completely different dasha systems and > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > good sport :-)) > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > (Sa-Ma), and > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc wasnt > > based > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > gives > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > life so > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > GodBless > > SS > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your case > > and > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that time > > to > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for you > > as > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be either > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used it to > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. For > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus is > > the > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two maraka > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In addition, > > if > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > maraka > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more > > point > > > and so on... > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > However, > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the rules > > I > > > > was > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a bit > > > > later, > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my transition > > > > date and > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > marakatwa > > > > for me – > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but just > > in > > > > case I > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > SS > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things fundamentally. > > I > > > > still > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > your > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > > ownership > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > > planet is > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > > > Chandra > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > amount > > > > of > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > > purnayu. > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > 2-3 > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > of > > > > these > > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I > > would > > > > not > > > > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am > > still > > > > in > > > > > the process of testing my methodology using the charts > > of > > > > people > > > > > who have already passed away. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one > > might > > > > have > > > > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the > > > > fault > > > > > > is > > > > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers > > > > already > > > > > > have > > > > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies > > 18th > > > > - > > > > > > hence it > > > > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still > > am > > > > > > learning > > > > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as > > well, > > > > i'd > > > > > > like > > > > > > to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as > > > > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is > > > > > > different > > > > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you > > > > wnated to > > > > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these > > rules: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > http://farechase./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear SS, I am not sure if you should apply this correction of Kakshyavriddhi to the results obtained by my method as it is not based on the classical methods. The correction would be more appropriate for the classical methods. Just to let you know, I am getting LL for Bill Gates using my method. Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Souvik, are u referring to this Sutra: > > If Guru occupies the Lagna or the 7th has no evil > conjunctions or aspects, but beneficial aspects and > conjunctions, he > will cause increase or Kakshyavriddhi. > > - hence SL will change to ML, ML to LL and LL to beyond 100. > > So then the question is that most rules (method of pairs/ > 3-lords > etc) are indicating SL for the native, hence the native gets > ML > - however, by Krishna's method, native has ML so goes LL - > what to > interpret ML or LL? > > GodBless > SS (native) > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak > wrote: > > > > Thanx for ur response Souvik. It wud help if u cud elaborate > the > > sutra - i am yet struggling with COVA and 3 other books from > SR > sir > > and one from PVR-NRji. Surely i'll buy the Jamini Up Sutras > > translation by SRji if i'm convinced i have that long to > live ;-) > > > > GodBless > > Astroseeker > > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " > <explore_vulcan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or > 44) > but > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > substantiate > > the > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > first > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > approach > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > better > to > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > area with > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date > of our > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of > entry > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > modifications > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as > he can > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > motion. > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > necessarily > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > though. > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > death. So > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > Sat-Mars: > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > completely > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > systems and > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you > are a > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or > 44 > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > wasnt > > > > > based > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur > method > > > > > gives > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a > long > > > > > life so > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send > the > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in > your case > > > > > and > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until > that time > > > > > to > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical > for you > > > > > as > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will > be > either > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I > used it > to > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet > possesses. For > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, > Venus is > > > > > the > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > maraka > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > addition, > > > > > if > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one > more > > > > > maraka > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > more > > > > > point > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > However, > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With > the rules > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for > calculation a > bit > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members > and > > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > transition > > > > > > > date and > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Need a vacation? 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hi Krishna, even if apply KV to the classical method i used and get ML, pushing myself from sl to ml, (and u got ML with ur method), i am stuck on sutra 15 whether to apply it or not. if latter is applicable in my case, i do not proceed to LL....or so i think unless someone tells me how not to. GodBless SS sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear SS, > > I am not sure if you should apply this correction of > Kakshyavriddhi to the results obtained by my method as it is not > based on the classical methods. The correction would be more > appropriate for the classical methods. > > Just to let you know, I am getting LL for Bill Gates using my > method. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > Souvik, are u referring to this Sutra: > > > > If Guru occupies the Lagna or the 7th has no evil > > conjunctions or aspects, but beneficial aspects and > > conjunctions, he > > will cause increase or Kakshyavriddhi. > > > > - hence SL will change to ML, ML to LL and LL to beyond 100. > > > > So then the question is that most rules (method of pairs/ > > 3-lords > > etc) are indicating SL for the native, hence the native gets > > ML > > - however, by Krishna's method, native has ML so goes LL - > > what to > > interpret ML or LL? > > > > GodBless > > SS (native) > > > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanx for ur response Souvik. It wud help if u cud elaborate > > the > > > sutra - i am yet struggling with COVA and 3 other books from > > SR > > sir > > > and one from PVR-NRji. Surely i'll buy the Jamini Up Sutras > > > translation by SRji if i'm convinced i have that long to > > live ;-) > > > > > > GodBless > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " > > <explore_vulcan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or > > 44) > > but > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > substantiate > > > the > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > > first > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > approach > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > > better > > to > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > > area with > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date > > of our > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of > > entry > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > modifications > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as > > he can > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > > necessarily > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > > though. > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > > death. So > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > > Sat-Mars: > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > completely > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > > systems and > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you > > are a > > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or > > 44 > > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > > wasnt > > > > > > based > > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur > > method > > > > > > gives > > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a > > long > > > > > > life so > > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send > > the > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in > > your case > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until > > that time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical > > for you > > > > > > as > > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will > > be > > either > > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I > > used it > > to > > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet > > possesses. For > > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, > > Venus is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > > maraka > > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > addition, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one > > more > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > > more > > > > > > point > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With > > the rules > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for > > calculation a > > bit > > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members > > and > > > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > > transition > > > > > > > > date and > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Travel. > http://travel./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Souvik, What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. Regards, Krishna --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) > but > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > substantiate the > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear SS, > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > first > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > approach > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > better to > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area > with > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of > our > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > modifications > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he > can > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > though. > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > completely > > different approaches and completely different dasha systems > and > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > > good sport :-)) > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > wasnt > > > based > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > > gives > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > > life so > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > GodBless > > > SS > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your > case > > > and > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that > time > > > to > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for > you > > > as > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be > either > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used > it to > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. > For > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus > is > > > the > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > maraka > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > addition, > > > if > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > > maraka > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > more > > > point > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > However, > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the > rules > > > I > > > > > was > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a > bit > > > > > later, > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > transition > > > > > date and > > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > > marakatwa > > > > > for me – > > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but > just > > > in > > > > > case I > > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things > fundamentally. > > > I > > > > > still > > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > > your > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on > its > > > > > ownership > > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether > a > > > > > planet is > > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna > and > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > amount > > > > > of > > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu > and > > > > > purnayu. > > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu > only > > > 2-3 > > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the > marakatwas > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Give spam the boot. 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Krishna-ji, Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or 7th. House. However, according to your calculation of longevity what is his longevity? His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya Hrasa. Thanks Souvik sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) > > but > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > substantiate the > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > > first > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > approach > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > > better to > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area > > with > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of > > our > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > modifications > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he > > can > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > > though. > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > > > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > completely > > > different approaches and completely different dasha systems > > and > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > > wasnt > > > > based > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > > > gives > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > > > life so > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > SS > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your > > case > > > > and > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that > > time > > > > to > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for > > you > > > > as > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be > > either > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used > > it to > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. > > For > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus > > is > > > > the > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > > maraka > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > addition, > > > > if > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > > > maraka > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > > more > > > > point > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > However, > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the > > rules > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a > > bit > > > > > > later, > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > > transition > > > > > > date and > > > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > > > marakatwa > > > > > > for me – > > > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but > > just > > > > in > > > > > > case I > > > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things > > fundamentally. > > > > I > > > > > > still > > > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > > > your > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on > > its > > > > > > ownership > > > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether > > a > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna > > and > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > > amount > > > > > > of > > > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu > > and > > > > > > purnayu. > > > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu > > only > > > > 2-3 > > > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the > > marakatwas > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Give spam the boot. 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear SS-ji, Whats the date you think you will die? I would be love to have a bet on the same Regards, Souvik sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Thanx for ur response Souvik. It wud help if u cud elaborate the > sutra - i am yet struggling with COVA and 3 other books from SR sir > and one from PVR-NRji. Surely i'll buy the Jamini Up Sutras > translation by SRji if i'm convinced i have that long to live ;-) > > GodBless > Astroseeker > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> > wrote: > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) but > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and substantiate > the > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your first > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar approach > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that better to > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area with > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of our > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no modifications > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he can > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances though. > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > > > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using completely > > > different approaches and completely different dasha systems and > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc wasnt > > > > based > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > > > gives > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > > > life so > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > SS > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your case > > > > and > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that time > > > > to > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for you > > > > as > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be either > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used it to > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. For > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus is > > > > the > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two maraka > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In addition, > > > > if > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > > > maraka > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more > > > > point > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > However, > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the rules > > > > I > > > > > > was > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a bit > > > > > > later, > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my transition > > > > > > date and > > > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > > > marakatwa > > > > > > for me – > > > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but just > > > > in > > > > > > case I > > > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things fundamentally. > > > > I > > > > > > still > > > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > > > your > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > > > > ownership > > > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > > amount > > > > > > of > > > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > > > > purnayu. > > > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > > 2-3 > > > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > > > of > > > > > > these > > > > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I > > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am > > > > still > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the process of testing my methodology using the charts > > > > of > > > > > > people > > > > > > > who have already passed away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one > > > > might > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - the > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other memebers > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that gvies > > > > 18th > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > hence it > > > > > > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i still > > > > am > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as > > > > well, > > > > > > i'd > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given as > > > > > > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > > > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the date is > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or you > > > > > > wnated to > > > > > > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these > > > > rules: > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > _______________Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights > and > > hotels with FareChase. > > > http://farechase./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Souvik, I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case was taken as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further to determine the actual MD and AD. Regards, Krishna --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > Dear Krishna-ji, > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or 7th. > > House. However, according to your calculation of longevity > what is > his longevity? > > > His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya > Hrasa. > > Thanks > > Souvik > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or > 44) > > > but > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > > substantiate the > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > > > first > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > > approach > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > > > better to > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > area > > > with > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date > of > > > our > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of > entry > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > > modifications > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as > he > > > can > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > necessarily > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > > > though. > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > death. So > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > Sat-Mars: > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > > completely > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > systems > > > and > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you > are a > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or > 44 > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > > > wasnt > > > > > based > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur > method > > > > > gives > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a > long > > > > > life so > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send > the > > > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in > your > > > case > > > > > and > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until > that > > > time > > > > > to > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical > for > > > you > > > > > as > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will > be > > > either > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I > used > > > it to > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet > possesses. > > > For > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, > Venus > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > > > maraka > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > > addition, > > > > > if > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one > more > > > > > maraka > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > > > more > > > > > point > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > However, > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With > the > > > rules > > > > > I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > > > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for > calculation a > > > bit > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members > and > > > > > Gurus. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear SS-ji, That was my whole point. I would come to astrological analysis later but even trying to analyze one's own longevity is not a very advisable thing to do. You went to the extent of saying that you would invest time in Jamini Sutras only if you think you would life that long Although said on a very lighter note it does refeclt in my mind that you are thinkng too much on death. Gochar Saturn traversing your 8th. House in D-9..yes I would expect it. Please wait till Gochar Jupiter enters Saggi and gives you all the light required on ur D-9 Lagna...I am sure you will be free from questions and would definitely invest time in Jamini Upadesas as well However, I do sincerely apologize if my betting on ur life has upset you. My only intention was to shake you up a bit that such personal cases (like death and longevity of one's own) are best not discussed on forums. This however is my humble opinion and may differ from other's views. Thanks Souvik sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > I do not intend opening a betting game on anyone's date of death - > we have enough going on with cricket! > > My intent is to learn how to calculate longevity and if i have any > doubts i seek to clear them. My chart is the exercise i am taking. > And date can be decided - i think u know already - when Ayusha is > ascertained - and i am still trying to work on that if u can help. > > Further to what u said re. Sutra 14, though it applies in my case > with Ju in 7h and the reqd conditions, it wud move the life span > from SL (as calc. from classical methods - of pairs /3-lords etc. as > given in message below) to ML - and not to LL - if i understand the > sutra correctly. > > If we see example of Sw. Vivekananda in COVA, in his chart Su as AK > occupying lagna makes the shift, with L-8 in quadrant. > However, we see that in my case Su as Maheshwara in lagna makes a > LL, but L-8 is in 12h. > > L-8 in 12h wud make 1st quarter of the life span, but what is the > span - ML (by Sutra 14, yes; by Su Maheshwara in asc - what? > does this placement make the shift from SL to ML > or > adds to effect of sutra 14 making further shift from ML to LL? > > Meanwhile i still am looking forward to explaination on Sutra 15 - > as to dwarbahya rasi - if it includes Pi and Vi in my case, then > corresponding periods of Narayana dasa, shoola dasa and mandooka > dasa (Vi) are in operation. > > GodBless > SS > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> > wrote: > > > > Dear SS-ji, > > > > Whats the date you think you will die? I would be love to have a > bet > > on the same > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanx for ur response Souvik. It wud help if u cud elaborate the > > > sutra - i am yet struggling with COVA and 3 other books from SR > > sir > > > and one from PVR-NRji. Surely i'll buy the Jamini Up Sutras > > > translation by SRji if i'm convinced i have that long to live ;-) > > > > > > GodBless > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) > > but > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > substantiate > > > the > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > first > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > approach > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > better > > to > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area > with > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of > our > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > modifications > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he > can > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > though. > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > completely > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha systems > and > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > wasnt > > > > > > based > > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > > > > > gives > > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > > > > > life so > > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your > case > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that > time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for > you > > > > > > as > > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be > > either > > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used > it > > to > > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. > For > > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > maraka > > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > addition, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more > > > > > > point > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the > rules > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa- > Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a > > bit > > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > > transition > > > > > > > > date and > > > > > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > > > > > marakatwa > > > > > > > > for me – > > > > > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but > just > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > case I > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things > fundamentally. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on > its > > > > > > > > ownership > > > > > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether > a > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna > > and > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu > and > > > > > > > > purnayu. > > > > > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > > > > 2-3 > > > > > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the > marakatwas > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the process of testing my methodology using the > charts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > who have already passed away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - > > the > > > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other > > memebers > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that > gvies > > > > > > 18th > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > hence it > > > > > > > > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i > still > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > i'd > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > > > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given > as > > > > > > > > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > > > > > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the > date > > is > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or > you > > > > > > > > wnated to > > > > > > > > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these > > > > > > rules: > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > _______________Looking for a deal? 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Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Krishnaji, First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner so please do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. According to the best of my knowledge, 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual AD-MD for death. Here's a link where details can be found about this method. http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html I could comprehend that you are using this method to determine longevity. 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically calculated on the basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, Movable and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard books. As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri Chaitanya's life. Here's the link: http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He has considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu even though Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is in the 5H for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect alone can ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that opposes Mars who is Yama swarupa. Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL I am curious how by your method you found it to be so. Your method described below. 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its ownership of houses, placement and conjunctions 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a planet is exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and Chandra (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the amount of attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and purnayu. (I got madhyayu in your case) 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only 2-3 planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas of these planets and identify in which MD the death would come. 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic aspecting Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how you could reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my learning I shall be grateful. Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha Drishti. Regards, Souvik sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case was taken > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further to > determine the actual MD and AD. > > Regards, > Krishna > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or 7th. > > > > House. However, according to your calculation of longevity > > what is > > his longevity? > > > > > > His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya > > Hrasa. > > > > Thanks > > > > Souvik > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > > > > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > > > > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or > > 44) > > > > but > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > > > substantiate the > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > > > > first > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > > > approach > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > > > > better to > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > > area > > > > with > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date > > of > > > > our > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of > > entry > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > > > modifications > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as > > he > > > > can > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > > necessarily > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > > > > though. > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > > death. So > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > > Sat-Mars: > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > > > completely > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > > systems > > > > and > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you > > are a > > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or > > 44 > > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > > > > wasnt > > > > > > based > > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur > > method > > > > > > gives > > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a > > long > > > > > > life so > > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send > > the > > > > > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in > > your > > > > case > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until > > that > > > > time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical > > for > > > > you > > > > > > as > > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will > > be > > > > either > > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I > > used > > > > it to > > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet > > possesses. > > > > For > > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, > > Venus > > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > > > > maraka > > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > > > addition, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one > > more > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one > > > > more > > > > > > point > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With > > the > > > > rules > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 > > > > (Sa-Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for > > calculation a > > > > bit > > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members > > and > > > > > > Gurus. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear SS-ji, Now coming to your question: Meanwhile i still am looking forward to explaination on Sutra 15 - as to dwarbahya rasi - if it includes Pi and Vi in my case, then corresponding periods of Narayana dasa, shoola dasa and mandooka dasa (Vi) are in operation. Yes, these are Dual Rasis. They are 3,6,9 and 12. However, I am curious as to which Dasa you are using and why. Please do let me know. Thanks Souvik sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > I do not intend opening a betting game on anyone's date of death - > we have enough going on with cricket! > > My intent is to learn how to calculate longevity and if i have any > doubts i seek to clear them. My chart is the exercise i am taking. > And date can be decided - i think u know already - when Ayus is > ascertained - and i am still trying to work on that if u can help. > > Further to what u said re. Sutra 14, though it applies in my case, > it wud move the life span from SL (as calc. from classical methods - > of pairs /3-lords etc. as given below) to ML - and not to LL -if i > understand the sutra correctly. > > If we see ecample of Sw. Vivekananda, in his chart Su as AK > occupying lagna makes the shift. However, we also see that in my > case Su as Maheshwara in lagna makes a LL. > So i wish to understand that whether the latter factor applies in > addition to Sutra 14 (Ju in 7h with reqd conditions) making the > shift further to LL or does the placement of Su imply 4th quarter in > ML. > > Meanwhile i still am looking forward to explaination on Sutra 15 - > as to dwarbahya rasi - if it includes Pi and Vi in my case, then > corresponding periods of Narayana dasa, shoola dasa and mandooka > dasa (Vi) are in operation. > > If we go by Sutras 10 - 13 as u said in ur message to Krishna, then > before applying Sutra 10, please can u explain why Sa in my case wud > be purnayuryoga? is it because it is placed in dual sign? > and then even if it is causing purnayuryoga, it shifts the span of > SL (as calc by the standard methods) to nil (still born i wud have > been) - acc to te sutra. > > sutra 12 doesnt apply - since it is neither in own nor exaltation in > rasi ,though in own in navamsa. > > Sa also is lagna lord by strength is only 225 - is that strong > enough to be ayurdaya? > > GodBless > SS > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> > wrote: > > > > Dear SS-ji, > > > > Whats the date you think you will die? I would be love to have a > bet > > on the same > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanx for ur response Souvik. It wud help if u cud elaborate the > > > sutra - i am yet struggling with COVA and 3 other books from SR > > sir > > > and one from PVR-NRji. Surely i'll buy the Jamini Up Sutras > > > translation by SRji if i'm convinced i have that long to live ;-) > > > > > > GodBless > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > sohamsa , " Souvik Dutta " <explore_vulcan@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 or 44) > > but > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > substantiate > > > the > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in your > first > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a similar > > approach > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes that > better > > to > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this area > with > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the date of > our > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time of entry > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > modifications > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help as he > can > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in motion. > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not necessarily > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are chances > though. > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural death. So > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during Sat-Mars: > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > completely > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha systems > and > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for offering to validate/confirm my method, you are a > > > > > good sport :-)) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry again - u will hate me now - i meant 42 or 44 > > > > > > (Sa-Ma), and > > > > > > not 40 (sa-Mo), made a mistake again (actually my calc > wasnt > > > > > > based > > > > > > on Vim dasa, but Shoola and MAndooka dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > - so looks like i die by accident/mistake - is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx for ur explaination again - and i do wish ur method > > > > > > gives > > > > > > correct result and i certainly dont look forward to a long > > > > > > life so > > > > > > please dont worry about that :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > and if ur method is indeed validated ealier, i'll send the > > > > > > confirmation to that ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish my method did not yield correct result in your > case > > > > > > and > > > > > > > you live longer. Well, I don't want to wait until that > time > > > > > > to > > > > > > > validate my method :-)) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very sure that Sat-Moon period is not critical for > you > > > > > > as > > > > > > > Moon is a pretty weak maraka in your case. It will be > > either > > > > > > > Sat-Mars or Sat-Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if marakatwa is std. terminology. I used > it > > to > > > > > > > convey the degree of maraka power the planet possesses. > For > > > > > > > example, consider a chart with Aries lagna - Here, Venus > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > owner of 2nd house as well as 7th. Since it owns two > maraka > > > > > > > houses, I would assign two maraka points to it. In > > addition, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > it occupies the 8th house, for example, it gets one more > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > point. If it is conjunct another maraka, it gets one more > > > > > > point > > > > > > > and so on... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx again Krishna for explaining ur method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The living proof is that I have not been alpayush. > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > Sa-Ma > > > > > > > > wud make it <45 yrs (36-45 years anycase). With the > rules > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > studying, I was zeroing in on 40 (Sa-Mo) or 42 (Sa- > Ma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting the timings I used for calculation a > > bit > > > > > > > > later, > > > > > > > > hoping to have more responses from learned members and > > > > > > Gurus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and maybe i will arrange for someone to post my > > transition > > > > > > > > date and > > > > > > > > u can validate ur method ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a little more, please can u simplify the term > > > > > > marakatwa > > > > > > > > for me – > > > > > > > > I understand it shd be parallel to karakatwa – but > just > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > case I > > > > > > > > don't misunderstand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Changing the date, did not change things > fundamentally. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > feel that the critical period is Sani-Mars period in > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My method consists of the following steps: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on > its > > > > > > > > ownership > > > > > > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether > a > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna > > and > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > > > > amount > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu > and > > > > > > > > purnayu. > > > > > > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > > > > 2-3 > > > > > > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the > marakatwas > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would > come. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you did get an idea of what my methodology is. I > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > go into more specifics at this point of time as I am > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the process of testing my methodology using the > charts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > who have already passed away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks very much for ur response, i thought no one > > > > > > might > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > probably noticed my prev. mail so i posted again - > > the > > > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > mine, the correct date is 19th (as some other > > memebers > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > it) - the error is in my birthcertificate that > gvies > > > > > > 18th > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > hence it > > > > > > > > > > has me confused at times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i really apologise for the mix-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i certainly look up to alternative methods as i > still > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > and a novice - pls do post ur method of analysis as > > > > > > well, > > > > > > > > i'd > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GodBless > > > > > > > > > > Astroseeker > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Soul Sadhak, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My earlier response was based on the date given > as > > > > > > > > > > 18/feb/1968 > > > > > > > > > > > in yesterday's mail. I just noticed that the > date > > is > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > in today's mail. Was this just an oversight or > you > > > > > > > > wnated to > > > > > > > > > > > convey a different date? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the correct date of birth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My birth details are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 19/feb/1968; 0720hrs, ludhiana, india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fall under SL (short-life) category by these > > > > > > rules: > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > > _______________Looking for a deal? 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Souvik, Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them when time permits. However, my methodology is based on some basics I picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework on top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you could find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what is given in your references. Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML and LL. I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the same. However, I am not using them in my methodology. I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming to BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars loses lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. Please refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check out the definition of Residential Strength and its calculation. And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you check my method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets irrespective of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking place during Guru or Sukra MD. Since I am in the process of testing my method and making appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe to discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. I am also in the process of automating some of the calculations so that I could check out many charts easily without having to spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things will take time. Hope you understand. Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and available at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on the same. Regards, Krishna --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > Dear Krishnaji, > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner so > please > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > According to the best of my knowledge, > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual > AD-MD for > death. > Here's a link where details can be found about this method. > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > I could comprehend that you are using this method to determine > > longevity. > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically calculated > on the > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, > Movable > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > books. > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > Chaitanya's > life. > Here's the link: > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He has > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu even > though > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is in > the 5H > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect alone > can > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > opposes > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL I > am > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > Your method described below. > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > ownership > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > planet is > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > Chandra > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > amount > of > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > purnayu. > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > 2-3 > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > of > these > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > aspecting > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how you > could > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > learning I > shall be grateful. > > Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha > Drishti. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case was > taken > > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further to > > determine the actual MD and AD. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or > 7th. > > > > > > House. However, according to your calculation of longevity > > > what is > > > his longevity? > > > > > > > > > His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya > > > Hrasa. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > > > > > > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 > or > > > 44) > > > > > but > > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > > > > substantiate the > > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in > your > > > > > first > > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a > similar > > > > > approach > > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes > that > > > > > better to > > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > > > area > > > > > with > > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the > date > > > of > > > > > our > > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time > of > > > entry > > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > > > > modifications > > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help > as > > > he > > > > > can > > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > > > necessarily > > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are > chances > > > > > though. > > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > > > death. So > > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > > > Sat-Mars: > > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > > > > completely > > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > > > systems > > > > > and > > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 For longevity, Suggest you use a mix of Ashtakavarga and Jaimini principles. sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them when > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some basics I > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework on > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you could > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what is > given in your references. > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML and LL. > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the same. > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming to > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars loses > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. Please > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check out > the definition of Residential Strength and its calculation. > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you check my > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets irrespective > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking place > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and making > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe to > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. I am > also in the process of automating some of the calculations so > that I could check out many charts easily without having to > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things will > take time. Hope you understand. > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and available > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on the > same. > > Regards, > Krishna > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner so > > please > > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > > > According to the best of my knowledge, > > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual > > AD-MD for > > death. > > Here's a link where details can be found about this method. > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > > I could comprehend that you are using this method to determine > > > > longevity. > > > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically calculated > > on the > > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, > > Movable > > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > > books. > > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > > Chaitanya's > > life. > > Here's the link: > > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He has > > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu even > > though > > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is in > > the 5H > > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect alone > > can > > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > > opposes > > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL I > > am > > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > > > Your method described below. > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > ownership > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > planet is > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > Chandra > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > amount > > of > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > purnayu. > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > 2-3 > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > of > > these > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > > aspecting > > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how you > > could > > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > > learning I > > shall be grateful. > > > > Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha > > Drishti. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case was > > taken > > > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further to > > > determine the actual MD and AD. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or > > 7th. > > > > > > > > House. However, according to your calculation of longevity > > > > what is > > > > his longevity? > > > > > > > > > > > > His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya > > > > Hrasa. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 > > or > > > > 44) > > > > > > but > > > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > > > > > substantiate the > > > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in > > your > > > > > > first > > > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a > > similar > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes > > that > > > > > > better to > > > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > > > > area > > > > > > with > > > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the > > date > > > > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time > > of > > > > entry > > > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > > > > > modifications > > > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help > > as > > > > he > > > > > > can > > > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are > > chances > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > > > > death. So > > > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > > > > Sat-Mars: > > > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > > > > systems > > > > > > and > > > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ______________________________\ ____Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Sir, Thanks for your inputs. I appreciate it. Regards, Krishna --- Raman Suprajarama <cru115 wrote: > For longevity, > Suggest you use a mix of Ashtakavarga and Jaimini principles. > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them when > > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some > basics I > > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework > on > > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you > could > > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what > is > > given in your references. > > > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML and > LL. > > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the same. > > > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming to > > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars > loses > > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. Please > > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check > out > > the definition of Residential Strength and its calculation. > > > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you check > my > > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets > irrespective > > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times > > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than > > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking > place > > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and making > > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe to > > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. I > am > > also in the process of automating some of the calculations > so > > that I could check out many charts easily without having to > > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things > will > > take time. Hope you understand. > > > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up > > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and > available > > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on > the > > same. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner > so > > > please > > > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > > > > > According to the best of my knowledge, > > > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual > > > AD-MD for > > > death. > > > Here's a link where details can be found about this > method. > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > > > I could comprehend that you are using this method to > determine > > > > > > longevity. > > > > > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically > calculated > > > on the > > > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, > > > Movable > > > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > > > books. > > > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > > > Chaitanya's > > > life. > > > Here's the link: > > > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > > > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He > has > > > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu > even > > > though > > > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is > in > > > the 5H > > > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect > alone > > > can > > > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > > > opposes > > > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > > > > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL > I > > > am > > > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > > > > > Your method described below. > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > ownership > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > planet is > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > > Chandra > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > amount > > > of > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > purnayu. > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > 2-3 > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > > of > > > these > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > > > aspecting > > > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how > you > > > could > > > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > > > learning I > > > shall be grateful. > > > > > > Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha > > > Drishti. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case > was > > > taken > > > > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further > to > > > > determine the actual MD and AD. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna > or > > > 7th. > > > > > > > > > > House. However, according to your calculation of > longevity > > > > > what is > > > > > his longevity? > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Get your own web address. 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Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Krishnaji, Thank you so much for sharing your views. If someday you plan to publish your case studies and methods please do let me know. It would be an honor to go through your article. Regards, Souvik sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Souvik, > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them when > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some basics I > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework on > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you could > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what is > given in your references. > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML and LL. > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the same. > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming to > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars loses > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. Please > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check out > the definition of Residential Strength and its calculation. > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you check my > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets irrespective > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking place > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and making > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe to > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. I am > also in the process of automating some of the calculations so > that I could check out many charts easily without having to > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things will > take time. Hope you understand. > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and available > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on the > same. > > Regards, > Krishna > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner so > > please > > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > > > According to the best of my knowledge, > > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual > > AD-MD for > > death. > > Here's a link where details can be found about this method. > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > > I could comprehend that you are using this method to determine > > > > longevity. > > > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically calculated > > on the > > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, > > Movable > > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > > books. > > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > > Chaitanya's > > life. > > Here's the link: > > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He has > > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu even > > though > > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is in > > the 5H > > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect alone > > can > > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > > opposes > > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL I > > am > > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > > > Your method described below. > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > ownership > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > planet is > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > Chandra > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > amount > > of > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > purnayu. > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > 2-3 > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > of > > these > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > > aspecting > > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how you > > could > > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > > learning I > > shall be grateful. > > > > Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha > > Drishti. > > > > Regards, > > > > Souvik > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case was > > taken > > > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further to > > > determine the actual MD and AD. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna or > > 7th. > > > > > > > > House. However, according to your calculation of longevity > > > > what is > > > > his longevity? > > > > > > > > > > > > His case caters to Sutras 10-13 on the negation of Kakshya > > > > Hrasa. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > What is the data you are using for Bill Gates? > > > > > > > > > > I have October 28, 1955 at 21:05 PST in Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > This does not put Guru either in Lagna or the 7th. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > The native in question does not die in middle life (42 > > or > > > > 44) > > > > > > but > > > > > > has Kakshya Vriddhi resulting in long life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please read Jamini Sutras (Sutra 14 of ADHYAYA) and > > > > > > substantiate the > > > > > > theory with Bill Gates' chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed that you are not afraid of the obvious in > > your > > > > > > first > > > > > > > mail itself and hence I responded. I too take a > > similar > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > on longevity. If I know how long I live, it makes > > that > > > > > > better to > > > > > > > plan my life accordingly. I started to focus on this > > > > area > > > > > > with > > > > > > > this intention. In any case, we can not change the > > date > > > > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > exit. Now, I firmly believe that our date and time > > of > > > > entry > > > > > > > clearly defines the date and time of exit, and no > > > > > > modifications > > > > > > > are allowed, no remedies help. Even God can not help > > as > > > > he > > > > > > can > > > > > > > not go against the forces that he has himself set in > > > > motion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, involvement of Mars as AD lord need not > > > > necessarily > > > > > > > indicate accident of unnatural death. There are > > chances > > > > > > though. > > > > > > > Involvement of Rahu more often indicates unnatural > > > > death. So > > > > > > > far, I have come across only case of death during > > > > Sat-Mars: > > > > > > > Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting to note that both of us are using > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > different approaches and completely different dasha > > > > systems > > > > > > and > > > > > > > yet narrowed down to the same period. > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear SS, In your case, Sukra in a dustahana and its dispositor is afflicted by Rahu. Sukra is definitely weak. Budha, who is in the nakshatra of Kuja, is conjunct this weak Sukra. However, the conjunction is not close. Though Kuja is conjunct Rahu, the conjunction is not close again. Hence, I would consider that your case would be a marginal case for diabetes. There is no serious threat. Most likely you would remain in your prediabetic condition and it may not progress further. Retrogression decreases marakatwa of a planet. I am sorry, I can not advice you on gems as my knowledge is very little on this subject. Regrds, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Krishna, i wud like to go thru ur article on Astrology and > Diabets - > just to inform, i am a prediabetic, diabetes runs in my family > -i > havent succumbed yet, but may - though i am taking nec. > precautions. > If u can spend a bit of time, can u look at poss. of me > getting > diabetes? > > Another thing, in my case Ju is a maraka (L-2) and placed in > maraka > sthana (7h) and is retro - does that imply any reduction or > increase > in maraka-ness (!) Also, as per sutra 14, Ju in 7h is > contributing > to kakshya vriddhi - wud wearing a yellow sapphire or citrine > be > good or bad. > > thanx, > SS > > sohamsa , " Raman Suprajarama " > <cru115 > wrote: > > > > For longevity, > > Suggest you use a mix of Ashtakavarga and Jaimini > principles. > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them > when > > > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some > basics I > > > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework > on > > > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you > could > > > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what > is > > > given in your references. > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML > and LL. > > > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the > same. > > > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > > > > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming > to > > > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars > loses > > > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. > Please > > > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check > out > > > the definition of Residential Strength and its > calculation. > > > > > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you > check my > > > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets > irrespective > > > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times > > > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than > > > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking > place > > > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > > > > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and making > > > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe > to > > > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. > I am > > > also in the process of automating some of the calculations > so > > > that I could check out many charts easily without having > to > > > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things > will > > > take time. Hope you understand. > > > > > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up > > > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and > available > > > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on > the > > > same. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner > so > > > > please > > > > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > > > > > > > According to the best of my knowledge, > > > > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the > actual > > > > AD-MD for > > > > death. > > > > Here's a link where details can be found about this > method. > > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > > > > I could comprehend that you are using this method to > determine > > > > > > > > longevity. > > > > > > > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically > calculated > > > > on the > > > > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in > Fixed, > > > > Movable > > > > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > > > > books. > > > > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > > > > Chaitanya's > > > > life. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > > > > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He > has > > > > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu > even > > > > though > > > > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is > in > > > > the 5H > > > > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect > alone > > > > can > > > > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > > > > opposes > > > > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > > > > > > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as > LL I > > > > am > > > > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > > > > > > > Your method described below. > > > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > > ownership > > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > > planet is > > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna > and > > > > Chandra > > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > > amount > > > > of > > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > > purnayu. > > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > > 2-3 > > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > > > of > > > > these > > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > > > > aspecting > > > > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how > you > > > > could > > > > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > > > > learning I > > > > shall be grateful. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness./webhosting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Sure Souvik! And, thanks for the kind words. Regards, Krishna --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > Dear Krishnaji, > > Thank you so much for sharing your views. > If someday you plan to publish your case studies and methods > please > do let me know. > > It would be an honor to go through your article. > > Regards, > > Souvik > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at them when > > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some > basics I > > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a framework > on > > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that you > could > > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and what > is > > given in your references. > > > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, ML and > LL. > > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the same. > > > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence coming to > > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, Mars > loses > > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. Please > > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to check > out > > the definition of Residential Strength and its calculation. > > > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you check > my > > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets > irrespective > > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a times > > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas than > > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths taking > place > > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and making > > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is ripe to > > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest though. I > am > > also in the process of automating some of the calculations > so > > that I could check out many charts easily without having to > > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These things > will > > take time. Hope you understand. > > > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my write-up > > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and > available > > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your comments on > the > > same. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishnaji, > > > > > > First of all let me confess that I am but a mere learner > so > > > please > > > do pardon my lack-of-knowledge on this subject. > > > > > > According to the best of my knowledge, > > > 1) Maraka Calculation is are used to determine the actual > > > AD-MD for > > > death. > > > Here's a link where details can be found about this > method. > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2006/09/maraka-grahas.html > > > I could comprehend that you are using this method to > determine > > > > > > longevity. > > > > > > 2)Longevity as we say SL, ML or LL is classically > calculated > > > on the > > > basis on Arudha Lagna, Saturn and Moon positions in Fixed, > > > Movable > > > and Dual Rasis. This method is detailed in many standard > > > books. > > > As an example you could refer to a paper by SJC on Sri > > > Chaitanya's > > > life. > > > Here's the link: > > > http://.org/lessons/chaitanyajataka.htm > > > The paper is written by SJC Founder Sri Sanjay Rath. He > has > > > considered Kakshya Vriddhi for Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu > even > > > though > > > Jupiter is neither in Lagna or 7th. House for him. It is > in > > > the 5H > > > for him. The reason for this is Jupiter and its aspect > alone > > > can > > > ward off death since it is the planet in Kalachakra that > > > opposes > > > Mars who is Yama swarupa. > > > > > > Now, coming to your analysis of Bill Gates life span as LL > I > > > am > > > curious how by your method you found it to be so. > > > > > > Your method described below. > > > > > > 1. Determine the marakatwa of each planet based on its > > > ownership > > > of houses, placement and conjunctions > > > > > > 2. Increase/decrease this marakatwa based on whether a > > > planet is > > > exalt, debilitated, vargottama, retrograde... etc > > > > > > 3. Study the attacks of the capable marakas on Lagna and > > > Chandra > > > (in terms of conjunctions and aspects). Based on the > > > amount > > > of > > > attack, I categorize the native as alpayu, madhyayu and > > > purnayu. > > > (I got madhyayu in your case) > > > > > > 4. In the given range of alpayu/madhyayu/purnayu only > > > 2-3 > > > planets would operate during VD. Compare the marakatwas > > > of > > > these > > > planets and identify in which MD the death would come. > > > > > > 5. Identify the AD lord in similar lines. > > > > > > > > > If you consider Mars in 4H to be the greatest malefic > > > aspecting > > > Lagna, Lagna Lord and Moon then I am surprised that how > you > > > could > > > reach LL for him. If you could detail this method for my > > > learning I > > > shall be grateful. > > > > > > Also please do specify if by aspect you mean Rasi or Graha > > > Drishti. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > I am getting LL for Bill. I did this calc. as his case > was > > > taken > > > > as an example in your mail. I have not ventured further > to > > > > determine the actual MD and AD. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna-ji, > > > > > > > > > > Your data is correct. He doesn't have Jupiter in Lagna > or > > > 7th. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ TV dinner still cooling? Check out " Tonight's Picks " on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear SS, Thanks for your kind words about my work. It carries a special weight as it is coming from a Doctor-Astrologer :-) You are doing the right thing being very careful about your diabetes symptoms. Take care. Could you share the birth details of your sibling who has diabetes? I have checked about 50 diabetic charts until now. I could add one more to the list. A retro planet is good for longevity and is bad for health! Isn't that paradoxical? Probably, it is a mechanism to wear out our karma. Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > Dear Krishna, > > thanx so much for ur prompt response, meanwhile i had a look > at ur > blog - it's wonderful that u have explained the relationship > b/w > diabetes with astrology - the way u have done it is > commendable! > in fact before having a look at ur blog i was wondering how we > wud > differenciate type1 and type2 - but i was amazed at the way > u've > done it - that too with a software engineer's background - > it's > amazing. Btw i happen to have a medical background - hence u > hear > all that amazement to ur credit :-) > > why i asked about Ju was that Ju indicates expansion and also > promotes diabetic tendency - that's atleast what i read > somewhere - > apart from the maraka stuff that it carries in my chart. Thanx > for > ur time to explain the situation wrt diab in my chart. > > I have been affected by gestational diabetes (1994) and hence > am > more careful now - rather paranoid if i put it that way - and > that > has only increased my efforts towards keeping diabetes at bay > though > my younger sibling already captured it in his system. > > I look forward to the automated methods u r developing for > calculating longevity. It wud be a boon in today's times. > > GodBless > SS > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear SS, > > > > In your case, Sukra in a dustahana and its dispositor is > > afflicted by Rahu. Sukra is definitely weak. Budha, who is > in > > the nakshatra of Kuja, is conjunct this weak Sukra. However, > the > > conjunction is not close. Though Kuja is conjunct Rahu, the > > conjunction is not close again. Hence, I would consider that > > your case would be a marginal case for diabetes. There is no > > serious threat. Most likely you would remain in your > prediabetic > > condition and it may not progress further. > > > > Retrogression decreases marakatwa of a planet. > > > > I am sorry, I can not advice you on gems as my knowledge is > very > > little on this subject. > > > > Regrds, > > Krishna > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Krishna, i wud like to go thru ur article on Astrology and > > > Diabets - > > > just to inform, i am a prediabetic, diabetes runs in my > family > > > -i > > > havent succumbed yet, but may - though i am taking nec. > > > precautions. > > > If u can spend a bit of time, can u look at poss. of me > > > getting > > > diabetes? > > > > > > Another thing, in my case Ju is a maraka (L-2) and placed > in > > > maraka > > > sthana (7h) and is retro - does that imply any reduction > or > > > increase > > > in maraka-ness (!) Also, as per sutra 14, Ju in 7h is > > > contributing > > > to kakshya vriddhi - wud wearing a yellow sapphire or > citrine > > > be > > > good or bad. > > > > > > thanx, > > > SS > > > > > > sohamsa , " Raman Suprajarama " > > > <cru115@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For longevity, > > > > Suggest you use a mix of Ashtakavarga and Jaimini > > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at > them > > > when > > > > > time permits. However, my methodology is based on some > > > basics I > > > > > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a > framework > > > on > > > > > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising that > you > > > could > > > > > find some similarities in the steps I have stated and > what > > > is > > > > > given in your references. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am aware of the classical calculations of SL, > ML > > > and LL. > > > > > I have also listened to Vistiji's lecture covering the > > > same. > > > > > However, I am not using them in my methodology. > > > > > > > > > > I use Graha Drishti only in my calculations. Hence > coming > > > to > > > > > BG's chart, Mars aspects Moon and not lagna. Also, > Mars > > > loses > > > > > lot of its teeth as its Residential Strength is poor. > > > Please > > > > > refer to B V Raman's book 'Graha and Bhava Balas' to > check > > > out > > > > > the definition of Residential Strength and its > > > calculation. > > > > > > > > > > And, I am not looking at natural malefics only. If you > > > check my > > > > > method, I calcuate the maraka power of all planets > > > irrespective > > > > > of whether they are natural malefics or not. Many a > times > > > > > natural benefics would turn out to be bigger marakas > than > > > > > natural malefics. It is common to see the deaths > taking > > > place > > > > > during Guru or Sukra MD. > > > > > > > > > > Since I am in the process of testing my method and > making > > > > > appropriate changes to it, I don't feel the time is > ripe > > > to > > > > > discuss the details yet. Thanks for your interest > though. > > > I am > > > > > also in the process of automating some of the > calculations > > > so > > > > > that I could check out many charts easily without > having > > > to > > > > > spend lot of time doing manual calculations. These > things > > > will > > > > > take time. Hope you understand. > > > > > > > > > > Alternately, I would like to get your views on my > write-up > > > > > 'Astrology & Diabetes' which is already published and > > > available > > > > > at astrokrishna.blogspot.com. Hope to get your > comments on > > > the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Souvik Dutta <explore_vulcan@> wrote: > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. http://travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear SS, Thanks for sharing the birth details of your father. I will take a look at it send send my comments later. Regards, Krishna --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > well Krishna, it's may seem ironical to many about being a > doc- > astrologer but being born with lagna under Sahtabheshaja nak i > think > i was prodded to learn as many healing systems as possible - > Energy > Healing is closer to my inner self - and i can appreciate that > each > healing system has it's place. > > will have my dad's data mailed to u - he's been a diab for a > long > time now - wont be able to share sib's details without > permission...dad's wont be a prob. > > Paradox? yes i was thinking about the same - Ju maraka for me > as > well as increasing life span! > More paradox? - my AK and Rudra is Me in 12h and i am running > dwisaptati sama dasa of Me, Maheshwara is Su in 1h and i am > running > shashtihayani dasa of Su. > > GodBless > SS > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998 wrote: > > > > Dear SS, > > > > Thanks for your kind words about my work. It carries a > special > > weight as it is coming from a Doctor-Astrologer :-) You are > > doing the right thing being very careful about your diabetes > > symptoms. Take care. > > > > Could you share the birth details of your sibling who has > > diabetes? I have checked about 50 diabetic charts until now. > I > > could add one more to the list. > > > > A retro planet is good for longevity and is bad for health! > > Isn't that paradoxical? Probably, it is a mechanism to wear > out > > our karma. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishna, > > > > > > thanx so much for ur prompt response, meanwhile i had a > look > > > at ur > > > blog - it's wonderful that u have explained the > relationship > > > b/w > > > diabetes with astrology - the way u have done it is > > > commendable! > > > in fact before having a look at ur blog i was wondering > how we > > > wud > > > differenciate type1 and type2 - but i was amazed at the > way > > > u've > > > done it - that too with a software engineer's background - > > > it's > > > amazing. Btw i happen to have a medical background - hence > u > > > hear > > > all that amazement to ur credit :-) > > > > > > why i asked about Ju was that Ju indicates expansion and > also > > > promotes diabetic tendency - that's atleast what i read > > > somewhere - > > > apart from the maraka stuff that it carries in my chart. > Thanx > > > for > > > ur time to explain the situation wrt diab in my chart. > > > > > > I have been affected by gestational diabetes (1994) and > hence > > > am > > > more careful now - rather paranoid if i put it that way - > and > > > that > > > has only increased my efforts towards keeping diabetes at > bay > > > though > > > my younger sibling already captured it in his system. > > > > > > I look forward to the automated methods u r developing for > > > > calculating longevity. It wud be a boon in today's times. > > > > > > GodBless > > > SS > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear SS, > > > > > > > > In your case, Sukra in a dustahana and its dispositor is > > > > afflicted by Rahu. Sukra is definitely weak. Budha, who > is > > > in > > > > the nakshatra of Kuja, is conjunct this weak Sukra. > However, > > > the > > > > conjunction is not close. Though Kuja is conjunct Rahu, > the > > > > conjunction is not close again. Hence, I would consider > that > > > > your case would be a marginal case for diabetes. There > is no > > > > serious threat. Most likely you would remain in your > > > prediabetic > > > > condition and it may not progress further. > > > > > > > > Retrogression decreases marakatwa of a planet. > > > > > > > > I am sorry, I can not advice you on gems as my knowledge > is > > > very > > > > little on this subject. > > > > > > > > Regrds, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Soul Sadhak <soulsadhak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Krishna, i wud like to go thru ur article on Astrology > and > > > > > Diabets - > > > > > just to inform, i am a prediabetic, diabetes runs in > my > > > family > > > > > -i > > > > > havent succumbed yet, but may - though i am taking > nec. > > > > > precautions. > > > > > If u can spend a bit of time, can u look at poss. of > me > > > > > getting > > > > > diabetes? > > > > > > > > > > Another thing, in my case Ju is a maraka (L-2) and > placed > > > in > > > > > maraka > > > > > sthana (7h) and is retro - does that imply any > reduction > > > or > > > > > increase > > > > > in maraka-ness (!) Also, as per sutra 14, Ju in 7h is > > > > > contributing > > > > > to kakshya vriddhi - wud wearing a yellow sapphire or > > > citrine > > > > > be > > > > > good or bad. > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > SS > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , " Raman Suprajarama " > > > > > <cru115@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For longevity, > > > > > > Suggest you use a mix of Ashtakavarga and Jaimini > > > > > principles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for giving these references, I will look at > > > them > > > > > when > > > > > > > time permits. However, my methodology is based on > some > > > > > basics I > > > > > > > picked up from B V Raman's book and then built a > > > framework > > > > > on > > > > > > > top of these basics. Hence, it is not surprising > that > > > you > > > > > could > > > > > > > find some similarities in the steps I have stated > and > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search http://search./search?fr=oni_on_mail & p=graduation+gifts & cs=bz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Soal Sadhak. I am sorry to barge in the discussions on longevity particularly when it affects you personally Before I make any comments on your longevity, I may be permitted to suggest to study following Scriptures; 1 Parasar Hora SHASTRA – Chapter on 1. Yog Karka 2.Longivity- Ayurdya 3 MARKA 2. Laghu Parasari 3 Madya parasari And then gain mastery on Vimsottari Dasa. This is the basic dasa and CONSIDERED like king in all dasa systems. Now I will like to make some observations on your longevity and indicate some factors which confers long life to you; 1 Sun in Lagna is aspected by Bhava Vargottama Jupiter from 7th house 2 8TH LORD MERCURY IS AK AND PLACED IN apoklim (12th) house 3 8th lord Mars from Lagna Pada is with Saturn. Please remember Rahu is also Lagna lord . Please do not worry, and be ready to enjoy Mercury period. Regards, G.K.GOEL Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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