Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Tijana, Why 8H? This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: For foreign residence: D4 not D24 Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable(far)/fixed(close) /dual(inbetween) 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H For long travel: 7H Regards, Sharat - nix_nixen sohamsa Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM D24-foreign residence Om Gurave NamahDear members,i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence.We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a person abroad:-12th house and lord-8th house and lord-Saturn and Venus-affliction of the 4th-badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana-12th from paka lagnaNOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will indicate the distance-very far or not?How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed?Warm regards,Tijana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken. The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel. Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " Sharat " <gidoc wrote: > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Tijana, > > Why 8H? > > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable(far)/fixed(close) /dual (inbetween) > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > For long travel: 7H > Regards, > Sharat > > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > D24-foreign residence > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, Sharat, Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken. The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel. Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote: > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Tijana, > > Why 8H? > > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable(far)/fixed(close) /dual (inbetween) > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > For long travel: 7H > Regards, > Sharat > > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > D24-foreign residence > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Tijana, 1. I woudnt look for change in residence from D24. D24 can show education/learning abroad, if connected with 12/9H or badhakesh. One can then confirm this from D4, from where a change in residence is to be finally examined. 2. Your logic about 8H is reasonable but I havent seen it used. Moreover it must be connected to Lagna/AL for it to involve the native. Further it will work when 12H gets activated( move abroad) and not vice versa, hope that makes sense. 3.8H connection with Saturn is important but it also depends upon the houses Saturn lords and if 4H is one of them. I am interested in how his works with Nadi principle, wonder if you had an example. 4.I agree that 12/9L or sign may not work independently regarding distance to travel but overall direction will be indicatd by the planets. How far that can go will be influenced by the operating dasa. 5. You re right about the dasa being crucial. I think vimsottari or conditional udu dasa work well here. The MD/AD lord will initiate travel and may indicate direction as well. All this is best seen from D1 and D4. 6. As Rafal mentions paradesha and jalapatana sahams will be associated with 9/12H but how they get activated I not so sure. Do you have any example charts to discuss further, that would make it interesting, perhaps I can get some as well. Regards Sharat - nix_nixen sohamsa Friday, July 06, 2007 4:36 PM Re: D24-foreign residence Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat,I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken.The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel.Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn).This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this?Warm regards,Tijanasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Tijana,> > Why 8H?> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong:> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24> Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu> Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable(far)/fixed(close) /dual(inbetween)> 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad> 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H> For long travel: 7H > Regards,> Sharat> > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM> D24-foreign residence> > > Om Gurave Namah> Dear members,> i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence.> We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad:> -12th house and lord> -8th house and lord> -Saturn and Venus> -affliction of the 4th> -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana> -12th from paka lagna> NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not?> How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed?> Warm regards,> Tijana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get activated? Via prevailing dasa? Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator for that..Shani ? Regards Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM Re: Re: D24-foreign residence hraum namah adityayaDear Tijana, Sharat,Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant.Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comnix_nixen napisał(a): Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat,I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken.The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel.Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn).This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this?Warm regards,Tijanasohamsa , " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Tijana,> > Why 8H?> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong:> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24> Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu> Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable(far)/fixed(close) /dual(inbetween)> 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad> 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H> For long travel: 7H > Regards,> Sharat> > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM> D24-foreign residence> > > Om Gurave Namah> Dear members,> i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence.> We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad:> -12th house and lord> -8th house and lord> -Saturn and Venus> -affliction of the 4th> -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana> -12th from paka lagna> NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not?> How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed?> Warm regards,> Tijana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Sharat, I was taught this way: #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Sharat napisał(a): ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get activated? Via prevailing dasa? Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator for that..Shani ? Regards Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa@ .com Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM Re: Re: D24-foreign residence hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, Sharat, Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com nix_nixen napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken. The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel. Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ ..com, " Sharat" <gidoc wrote: > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Tijana, > > Why 8H? > > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual (inbetween) > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > For long travel: 7H > Regards, > Sharat > > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa@ ..com > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > D24-foreign residence > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Sharat, Some corrections: 1. This points is well-demonstrated by one of Sanjay's examples. If 12H/L in D10 is activated then one can go abroad (but only if D4 confirms it also). So one placement is nimitta which should be studied further. Example: March 17, 1977 Time: 0:19:17 Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT) Place: 19 E 01' 10", 50 N 16' 10" A) Native went abroad to Germany (West from birthtime) in March 2003. Guru-Sani-Shukra. Shukra is 12L in D10, and Badhakesh and 9L in D4. B) Native came back home in 2006 March. Guru-Sani-Mars Mars is Lagna lord in D1 and D10. Its also in Lagna in D4. 2. Eight house is definitely for foreignt travel. Sanjayji uses this very often. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Sharat napisał(a): ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Tijana, 1. I woudnt look for change in residence from D24. D24 can show education/learning abroad, if connected with 12/9H or badhakesh. One can then confirm this from D4, from where a change in residence is to be finally examined. 2. Your logic about 8H is reasonable but I havent seen it used. Moreover it must be connected to Lagna/AL for it to involve the native. Further it will work when 12H gets activated( move abroad) and not vice versa, hope that makes sense. 3.8H connection with Saturn is important but it also depends upon the houses Saturn lords and if 4H is one of them. I am interested in how his works with Nadi principle, wonder if you had an example. 4.I agree that 12/9L or sign may not work independently regarding distance to travel but overall direction will be indicatd by the planets. How far that can go will be influenced by the operating dasa. 5. You re right about the dasa being crucial. I think vimsottari or conditional udu dasa work well here. The MD/AD lord will initiate travel and may indicate direction as well. All this is best seen from D1 and D4. 6. As Rafal mentions paradesha and jalapatana sahams will be associated with 9/12H but how they get activated I not so sure. Do you have any example charts to discuss further, that would make it interesting, perhaps I can get some as well. Regards Sharat - nix_nixen sohamsa@ .com Friday, July 06, 2007 4:36 PM Re: D24-foreign residence Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken. The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel. Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ ..com, " Sharat" <gidoc wrote: > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Tijana, > > Why 8H? > > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual (inbetween) > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > For long travel: 7H > Regards, > Sharat > > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa@ ..com > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > D24-foreign residence > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Jyotishas My Typo: Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is activated then one is coming home (not abroad). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rafal Gendarz napisał(a): hraum namah adityaya Dear Sharat, I was taught this way: #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Sharat napisał(a): ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get activated? Via prevailing dasa? Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator for that..Shani ? Regards Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa@ .com Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM Re: Re: D24-foreign residence hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, Sharat, Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com nix_nixen napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Sharat, I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken. The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel. Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa@ ..com, " Sharat" <gidoc wrote: > > > > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > Dear Tijana, > > Why 8H? > > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual (inbetween) > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > For long travel: 7H > Regards, > Sharat > > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa@ ..com > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > D24-foreign residence > > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Jyotishas > > My Typo: > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is > activated then one is coming home (not abroad). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a): > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Sharat, > > > > I was taught this way: > > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). > > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > >> Dear Rafal, > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa? > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > >> > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator > >> for that..Shani ? > >> > >> Regards > >> Sharat > >> > >> > >> - > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence > >> > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > >> > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > >> > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > >> > >>> Om Gurave Namah > >>> Dear Sharat, > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad > >>> because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how > >>> vast > >>> this learning can be taken. > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked > >>> 9th in > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your > >>> experience with this? > >>> Warm regards, > >>> Tijana > >>> > >>> sohamsa@ .com > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat " <gidoc@> > >>> <gidoc@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya|| > >>> > > >>> > Dear Tijana, > >>> > > >>> > Why 8H? > >>> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > >>> > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 > >>> th; 12 > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and > >>> badhasthana: > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual > >>> (inbetween) > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > >>> > For long travel: 7H > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sharat > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > - > >>> > nix_nixen > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40> > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > >>> > D24-foreign residence > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Om Gurave Namah > >>> > Dear members, > >>> > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > >>> > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > >>> > person abroad: > >>> > -12th house and lord > >>> > -8th house and lord > >>> > -Saturn and Venus > >>> > -affliction of the 4th > >>> > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > >>> > -12th from paka lagna > >>> > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some > >>> examples > >>> > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > >>> > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? > >>> What > >>> will > >>> > indicate the distance-very far or not? > >>> > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > >>> > Warm regards, > >>> > Tijana > >>> > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth is Visa, seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisał(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Jyotishas > > My Typo: > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is > activated then one is coming home (not abroad). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a): > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Sharat, > > > > I was taught this way: > > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). > > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > >> Dear Rafal, > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa? > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > >> > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator > >> for that..Shani ? > >> > >> Regards > >> Sharat > >> > >> > >> - > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence > >> > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > >> > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > >> > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > >> > >>> Om Gurave Namah > >>> Dear Sharat, > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad > >>> because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how > >>> vast > >>> this learning can be taken. > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked > >>> 9th in > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your > >>> experience with this? > >>> Warm regards, > >>> Tijana > >>> > >>> sohamsa@ .com > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat" <gidoc@> > >>> <gidoc@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya|| > >>> > > >>> > Dear Tijana, > >>> > > >>> > Why 8H? > >>> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > >>> > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 > >>> th; 12 > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and > >>> badhasthana: > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual > >>> (inbetween) > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > >>> > For long travel: 7H > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sharat > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > - > >>> > nix_nixen > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40> > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > >>> > D24-foreign residence > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Om Gurave Namah > >>> > Dear members, > >>> > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > >>> > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > >>> > person abroad: > >>> > -12th house and lord > >>> > -8th house and lord > >>> > -Saturn and Venus > >>> > -affliction of the 4th > >>> > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > >>> > -12th from paka lagna > >>> > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some > >>> examples > >>> > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > >>> > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? > >>> What > >>> will > >>> > indicate the distance-very far or not? > >>> > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > >>> > Warm regards, > >>> > Tijana > >>> > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Rafal, 8L is Budhha, in D1.D4,D10 is that involved here in anyway..or am I missing the point here. Regards Sharat - Rafal Gendarz sohamsa Friday, July 06, 2007 7:43 PM Re: Re: D24-foreign residence hraum namah adityayaDear Sharat,Some corrections:1. This points is well-demonstrated by one of Sanjay's examples. If 12H/L in D10 is activated then one can go abroad (but only if D4 confirms it also). So one placement is nimitta which should be studied further.Example: March 17, 1977Time: 0:19:17Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 19 E 01' 10", 50 N 16' 10" A) Native went abroad to Germany (West from birthtime) in March 2003.Guru-Sani-Shukra.Shukra is 12L in D10, and Badhakesh and 9L in D4.B) Native came back home in 2006 March.Guru-Sani-MarsMars is Lagna lord in D1 and D10. Its also in Lagna in D4.2. Eight house is definitely for foreignt travel. Sanjayji uses this very often.Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) comJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Sharat napisał(a): ||Namah Shivaya|| Dear Tijana, 1. I woudnt look for change in residence from D24. D24 can show education/learning abroad, if connected with 12/9H or badhakesh. One can then confirm this from D4, from where a change in residence is to be finally examined. 2. Your logic about 8H is reasonable but I havent seen it used. Moreover it must be connected to Lagna/AL for it to involve the native. Further it will work when 12H gets activated( move abroad) and not vice versa, hope that makes sense. 3.8H connection with Saturn is important but it also depends upon the houses Saturn lords and if 4H is one of them. I am interested in how his works with Nadi principle, wonder if you had an example. 4.I agree that 12/9L or sign may not work independently regarding distance to travel but overall direction will be indicatd by the planets. How far that can go will be influenced by the operating dasa. 5. You re right about the dasa being crucial. I think vimsottari or conditional udu dasa work well here. The MD/AD lord will initiate travel and may indicate direction as well. All this is best seen from D1 and D4. 6. As Rafal mentions paradesha and jalapatana sahams will be associated with 9/12H but how they get activated I not so sure. Do you have any example charts to discuss further, that would make it interesting, perhaps I can get some as well. Regards Sharat - nix_nixen sohamsa@ .com Friday, July 06, 2007 4:36 PM Re: D24-foreign residence Om Gurave NamahDear Sharat,I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how vast this learning can be taken.The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus telling about the fortune to travel.Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn).This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked 9th in the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your experience with this?Warm regards,Tijanasohamsa@ .com, " Sharat" <gidoc wrote:>> > > ||Namah Shivaya||> > Dear Tijana,> > Why 8H?> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong:> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24> Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu> Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 th; 12 th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and badhasthana: > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual(inbetween)> 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad> 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H> For long travel: 7H > Regards,> Sharat> > > > > - > nix_nixen > sohamsa@ .com > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM> D24-foreign residence> > > Om Gurave Namah> Dear members,> i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence.> We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad:> -12th house and lord> -8th house and lord> -Saturn and Venus> -affliction of the 4th> -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana> -12th from paka lagna> NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not?> How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed?> Warm regards,> Tijana> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rafal, As i remember from lectures, ninth was long distance travelling, seventh was visa/ticket, and twelvth the place. Swati On 7/7/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > wrote: hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth is Visa, seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Jyotishas > > My Typo: > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is > activated then one is coming home (not abroad). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a): > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Sharat, > > > > I was taught this way: > > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). > > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > >> Dear Rafal, > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa? > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > >> > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator > >> for that..Shani ? > >> > >> Regards > >> Sharat > >> > >> > >> - > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence > >> > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > >> > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > >> > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > >> > >>> Om Gurave Namah > >>> Dear Sharat, > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad > >>> because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how > >>> vast > >>> this learning can be taken. > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked > >>> 9th in > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your > >>> experience with this? > >>> Warm regards, > >>> Tijana > >>> > >>> sohamsa@ .com > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat " <gidoc@> > >>> <gidoc@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya|| > >>> > > >>> > Dear Tijana, > >>> > > >>> > Why 8H? > >>> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > >>> > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 > >>> th; 12 > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and > >>> badhasthana: > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual > >>> (inbetween) > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > >>> > For long travel: 7H > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sharat > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > - > >>> > nix_nixen > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40> > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > >>> > D24-foreign residence > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Om Gurave Namah > >>> > Dear members, > >>> > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > >>> > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > >>> > person abroad: > >>> > -12th house and lord > >>> > -8th house and lord > >>> > -Saturn and Venus > >>> > -affliction of the 4th > >>> > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > >>> > -12th from paka lagna > >>> > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some > >>> examples > >>> > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > >>> > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? > >>> What > >>> will > >>> > indicate the distance-very far or not? > >>> > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > >>> > Warm regards, > >>> > Tijana > >>> > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dear Rafal, I guess Guru is the karaka for air travel (and hence the 9th lord). Am I correct? Regards, Krishna --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Tijana, > > All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth > is Visa, > seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > nix_nixen napisa?(a): > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rafal, > > how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? > > Warm regards, > > Tijana > > sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > My Typo: > > > > > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > Lagna is > > > activated then one is coming home (not abroad). > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Sharat, > > > > > > > > I was taught this way: > > > > > > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or > Paradesa > > > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). > > > > > > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - > Life. > > > > > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more > points > > to > > > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when > kona lord > > to > > > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > > > > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > >> Dear Rafal, > > > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal > sahams get > > > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa? > > > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > > > >> > > > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the > > significator > > > >> for that..Shani ? > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> Sharat > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com > > <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>> > > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > > > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence > > > >> > > > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > > > >> > > > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > > > >> > > > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying > abroad. > > > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very > importaant. > > > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also > checked. All > > this > > > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com > > > <http://www.rohinaa.com>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > > > >> > > > >>> Om Gurave Namah > > > >>> Dear Sharat, > > > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered > all > > of my > > > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of > > travelling/staying abroad > > > >>> because of education or learning in general and i > don`t > > know how > > > >>> vast > > > >>> this learning can be taken. > > > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the > 12th > > thus > > > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > > > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as > > indicative for > > > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). > > > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have > > checked > > > >>> 9th in > > > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I > think it > > must > > > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What > is your > > > >>> experience with this? > > > >>> Warm regards, > > > >>> Tijana > > > >>> > > > >>> sohamsa@ .com > > > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat " <gidoc@> > > > >>> <gidoc@> wrote: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Dear Tijana, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Why 8H? > > > >>> > > > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if > I am > > wrong: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > > > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > > > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 > th and > > 12 > > > >>> th; 12 > > > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: > > Badahkesh and > > > >>> badhasthana: > > > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of > sign > > housing > > > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( > > close) /dual > > > >>> (inbetween) > > > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > > > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > > > >>> > For long travel: 7H > > > >>> > Regards, > > > >>> > Sharat > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > - > > > >>> > nix_nixen > > > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% > > 40> > > > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > > > >>> > D24-foreign residence > > > >>> > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Swati, We can divide bhavas based on distance, function and objects related. Ninth bhava shows freedom, therefore refering to Visa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com healing spaces napisa³(a): Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rafal, As i remember from lectures, ninth was long distance travelling, seventh was visa/ticket, and twelvth the place. Swati On 7/7/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl > wrote: hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth is Visa, seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com nix_nixen napisa³(a): Om Gurave Namah Dear Rafal, how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? Warm regards, Tijana sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Jyotishas > > My Typo: > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to Lagna is > activated then one is coming home (not abroad). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a): > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Sharat, > > > > I was taught this way: > > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or Paradesa > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa). > > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana - Life. > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more points to > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > Sharat napisa?(a): > > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > >> Dear Rafal, > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal sahams get > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa? > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > >> > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the significator > >> for that..Shani ? > >> > >> Regards > >> Sharat > >> > >> > >> - > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence > >> > >> *hraum namah adityaya* > >> > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > >> > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying abroad. > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very importaant. > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also checked. All this > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com < http://www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > >> > >>> Om Gurave Namah > >>> Dear Sharat, > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered all of my > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of travelling/staying abroad > >>> because of education or learning in general and i don`t know how > >>> vast > >>> this learning can be taken. > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the 12th thus > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as indicative for > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn). > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have checked > >>> 9th in > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I think it must > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What is your > >>> experience with this? > >>> Warm regards, > >>> Tijana > >>> > >>> sohamsa@ .com > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat" <gidoc@> > >>> <gidoc@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya|| > >>> > > >>> > Dear Tijana, > >>> > > >>> > Why 8H? > >>> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if I am wrong: > >>> > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24 > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 th and 12 > >>> th; 12 > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine: Badahkesh and > >>> badhasthana: > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of sign housing > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed( close) /dual > >>> (inbetween) > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H > >>> > For long travel: 7H > >>> > Regards, > >>> > Sharat > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > - > >>> > nix_nixen > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40> > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM > >>> > D24-foreign residence > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Om Gurave Namah > >>> > Dear members, > >>> > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > >>> > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > >>> > person abroad: > >>> > -12th house and lord > >>> > -8th house and lord > >>> > -Saturn and Venus > >>> > -affliction of the 4th > >>> > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > >>> > -12th from paka lagna > >>> > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some > >>> examples > >>> > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > >>> > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? > >>> What > >>> will > >>> > indicate the distance-very far or not? > >>> > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > >>> > Warm regards, > >>> > Tijana > >>> > > >>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 One interesting point I came across recently- SAV of fourth and 12th House/rashi/ determine the lenght of stay in foreign country- if fourth is stronger than 12th, than it would be temporary. I'd like to hear more opinions on this. Thanks, AnnaKrishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Rafal,I guess Guru is the karaka for air travel (and hence the 9thlord). Am I correct?Regards,Krishna--- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Tijana,> > All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth> is Visa, > seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place.> > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > nix_nixen napisa?(a):> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Rafal,> > how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> > sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:> > >> > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > >> > > Dear Jyotishas> > >> > > My Typo:> > >> > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to> Lagna is> > > activated then one is coming home (not abroad).> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a):> > > >> > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > >> > > > Dear Sharat,> > > >> > > > I was taught this way:> > > >> > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or> Paradesa> > > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa).> > > >> > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana -> Life.> > > >> > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more> points> > to> > > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when> kona lord> > to> > > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > email: rafal > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > > >> > > > Sharat napisa?(a):> > > >> > > >> ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >> Dear Rafal,> > > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal> sahams get> > > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa?> > > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay?> > > >>> > > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the> > significator> > > >> for that..Shani ?> > > >>> > > >> Regards> > > >> Sharat> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -> > > >> ** Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme> > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>>> > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM> > > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence> > > >>> > > >> *hraum namah adityaya*> > > >>> > > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat,> > > >>> > > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying> abroad.> > > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very> importaant.> > > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also> checked. All> > this> > > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards,> > > >> Rafal Gendarz> > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal> > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > <http://www.rohinaa.com>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a):> > > >>> > > >>> Om Gurave Namah> > > >>> Dear Sharat,> > > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered> all> > of my> > > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of> > travelling/staying abroad> > > >>> because of education or learning in general and i> don`t> > know how> > > >>> vast> > > >>> this learning can be taken.> > > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the> 12th> > thus> > > >>> telling about the fortune to travel.> > > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as> > indicative for> > > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn).> > > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have> > checked> > > >>> 9th in> > > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I> think it> > must> > > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What> is your> > > >>> experience with this?> > > >>> Warm regards,> > > >>> Tijana> > > >>>> > > >>> sohamsa@ .com> > > >>> <sohamsa%40>, " Sharat" <gidoc@>> > > >>> <gidoc@> wrote:> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Dear Tijana,> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Why 8H?> > > >>> >> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if> I am> > wrong:> > > >>> >> > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24> > > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu> > > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9> th and> > 12> > > >>> th; 12> > > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine:> > Badahkesh and> > > >>> badhasthana:> > > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of> sign> > housing> > > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed(> > close) /dual> > > >>> (inbetween)> > > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad> > > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H> > > >>> > For long travel: 7H> > > >>> > Regards,> > > >>> > Sharat> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > -> > > >>> > nix_nixen> > > >>> > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%> > 40>> > > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM> > > >>> > Subject: D24-foreign residence> > > >>> >> === message truncated ===________Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hello Friends, I am posting my chart for studing purpose, I stay abroad ,and i will give more info , if some one wants to use my horo as an example to clear doubts 10th march 1974 06:30am bombay regards pRASHU On 7/8/07, 108ar <bona_mente wrote: One interesting point I came across recently- SAV of fourth and 12th House/rashi/ determine the lenght of stay in foreign country- if fourth is stronger than 12th, than it would be temporary. I'd like to hear more opinions on this. Thanks, Anna Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > wrote: Dear Rafal,I guess Guru is the karaka for air travel (and hence the 9thlord). Am I correct?Regards,Krishna--- Rafal Gendarz < starsuponme wrote:> *hraum namah adityaya*> > Dear Tijana,> > All three should be involved (at least through argala). Ninth> is Visa, > seventh is Ticket, tweflth is Place. > > > Regards,> Rafal Gendarz> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > nix_nixen napisa?(a):> >> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Rafal,> > how then we apply 9th lord in travelling abroad? > > Warm regards,> > Tijana> > sohamsa > < sohamsa%40>, > > Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > >> > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > >> > > Dear Jyotishas> > >> > > My Typo:> > >> > > Its should be: I remember Sanjay rule: when kona lord to > Lagna is> > > activated then one is coming home (not abroad).> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Rafal Gendarz> > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > >> > >> > > Rafal Gendarz napisa?(a):> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*> > > >> > > > Dear Sharat,> > > >> > > > I was taught this way:> > > >> > > > #1 Planet lording or aspecting by Rasi Drsti Jalapata or > Paradesa> > > > Sahams will give foreign travel. (Gochar or Dasa).> > > >> > > > #2 Sani gochar gives seperations. Vayu Tattwa - Prana -> Life.> > > > > > > > #3 Sani is karaka for staying abroad. But there are more> points> > to> > > > these like tulya concept. I remember Sanjay rule: when> kona lord> > to > > > > Lagna is activated then one is coming abroad.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Rafal Gendarz> > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > > email: rafal > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com> > > >> > > > Sharat napisa?(a):> > > >> > > >> ||Namah Shivaya|| > > > >> Dear Rafal,> > > >> Please can you enlighten us; regarding how the natal> sahams get> > > >> activated? Via prevailing dasa?> > > >> Also does Shani gochar effect foreign stay? > > > >>> > > >> How can one see durtion of foreign stay ...who is the> > significator> > > >> for that..Shani ?> > > >>> > > >> Regards > > > >> Sharat> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -> > > >> ** Rafal Gendarz < starsuponme> > > >> *To:* sohamsa@ .com> > <sohamsa > <sohamsa%40>>> > > >> *Sent:* Friday, July 06, 2007 4:47 PM > > > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: D24-foreign residence> > > >>> > > >> *hraum namah adityaya*> > > >>> > > >> Dear Tijana, Sharat, > > > >>> > > >> Rahu is for crossing barieers. Sani is for staying> abroad.> > > >> Seventh, ninth, twelfth and badhakesh are very> importaant.> > > >> Movable signs and Venus strength should be also > checked. All> > this> > > >> in D1 and D4. Sahams are of utmost importance here.> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Regards,> > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > > >> Sri Jagannath Center Guru> > > >> email: rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com <rafal@ ....>> > > >> Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com <http://www.rohinaa.com> > > < http://www.rohinaa.com>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> nix_nixen napisa?(a): > > > >>> > > >>> Om Gurave Namah> > > >>> Dear Sharat,> > > >>> I`m sure you are not wrong and i think you`ve answered> all> > of my > > > >>> questions. D4, and D24 for the purpose of> > travelling/staying abroad> > > >>> because of education or learning in general and i> don`t> > know how > > > >>> vast> > > >>> this learning can be taken.> > > >>> The logic behind 8th house is this-it`s 9th from the> 12th> > thus> > > >>> telling about the fortune to travel. > > > >>> Sapta Rishi Nadi also speaks about the 8th house as> > indicative for> > > >>> foreign travel (when lord is associated with Saturn).> > > >>> This rule about 12L, also nature of the signs,(i have > > checked> > > >>> 9th in> > > >>> the meantime) doesn`t work in most of the cases. I> think it> > must> > > >>> include planet whose dasa initiated travelling. What > is your> > > >>> experience with this?> > > >>> Warm regards,> > > >>> Tijana> > > >>>> > > >>> sohamsa@ .com> > > >>> <sohamsa%40 >, " Sharat " <gidoc@>> > > >>> <gidoc@> wrote:> > > >>> > > > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > ||Namah Shivaya||> > > >>> >> > > >>> > Dear Tijana,> > > >>> > > > > >>> > Why 8H?> > > >>> >> > > >>> > This is how I learned this, please do correct me if> I am> > wrong:> > > >>> > > > > >>> > For foreign residence: D4 not D24> > > >>> > Karaka for stay abroad: Rahu> > > >>> > Houses and lords to be examined for stay abroad: 9 > th and> > 12> > > >>> th; 12> > > >>> th from Paka lgana, For travel abroad , also examine:> > Badahkesh and> > > >>> badhasthana: > > > >>> > 9L/12L-These will indicate the direction, Nature of> sign> > housing> > > >>> lords will indicate distance-movable( far)/fixed(> > close) /dual > > > >>> (inbetween)> > > >>> > 9H- Indicates fortune and flourishing abroad> > > >>> > 12H- Going away from birth place + Affliction of 4H> > > >>> > For long travel: 7H > > > >>> > Regards,> > > >>> > Sharat> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> > > > > >>> > -> > > >>> > nix_nixen> > > >>> > sohamsa@ .com < sohamsa%> > 40>> > > >>> > Friday, July 06, 2007 1:40 PM> > > >>> > D24-foreign residence > > > >>> >> === message truncated ===________Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing./ Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Namaskar Jyothishas In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel abroad. Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study this more carefully. As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That indicates Venus and distance was far. Birth details are September 30, 1973 Time: 15:50:32 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " Altitude: 0.00 meters As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also badhakesha Ma. Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign so long distance. Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace to Philippines. Suggestions are welcome Regards Tarun sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2007 Report Share Posted July 8, 2007 Hi tarun ji, i am in brisbane , I can surely give u my dates when i left India , I cannot forget it I left mUMBAI INDIA , ON 14TH feb 2003, 12:30am(early morning flight).It was a struggling time for me , I left India for higher education . Yes according to my knownledge , Venuse , and Mahadasa rahu> Mangal , played a major role . Naturally my 9th lord is in the 12th house , and 12th house is the best place venus can be as i was told and was told i would not be successful in India .But would like to known how would be the future abroad surely . Do let me known if u need any more information thanksPrashuOn 7/9/07, tarungarg < tarungarg wrote: Namaskar Jyothishas In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel abroad. Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study this more carefully. As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That indicates Venus and distance was far. Birth details are September 30, 1973 Time: 15:50:32 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " Altitude: 0.00 meters As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also badhakesha Ma. Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign so long distance. Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace to Philippines. Suggestions are welcome Regards Tarun sohamsa , " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tarunji, Could You provide information about all Your : Travelings with 3 info: a) place b) cause of traveling c) date. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com tarungarg napisał(a): Namaskar Jyothishas In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel abroad. Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study this more carefully. As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That indicates Venus and distance was far. Birth details are September 30, 1973 Time: 15:50:32 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 23' 00", 31 N 22' 00" Altitude: 0.00 meters As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also badhakesha Ma. Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign so long distance. Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace to Philippines. Suggestions are welcome Regards Tarun sohamsa@ ..com, "nix_nixen" <nix_nixen@. ..> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > Dear members, > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > person abroad: > -12th house and lord > -8th house and lord > -Saturn and Venus > -affliction of the 4th > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > -12th from paka lagna > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > indicate the distance-very far or not? > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > Warm regards, > Tijana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2007 Report Share Posted July 9, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tijana, Direction we see observing Narayana Dasa of D4 - COVA. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hello Rafal ji My date was somewhere in the Oct 2000. I dont remember exact date now but somewhere there. cause of Travelling was overseas assignment from work as a visitor initially and eventually on 1st Jan 2001 I actually got a contract in philippines itself. Of course the place is Manila Philippines. Tarun sohamsa , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Tarunji, > > Could You provide information about all Your : > > Travelings with 3 info: a) place b) cause of traveling c) date. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > tarungarg napisa?(a): > > > > Namaskar Jyothishas > > > > In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve > > is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In > > badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 > > it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. > > > > So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel > > abroad. > > > > Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana > > sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. > > > > Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study > > this more carefully. > > > > As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. > > > > Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I > > am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of > > foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That > > indicates Venus and distance was far. > > > > Birth details are > > > > September 30, 1973 > > Time: 15:50:32 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. > > > > The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start > > of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so > > we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three > > fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also > > badhakesha Ma. > > > > Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and > > Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. > > > > The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. > > > > Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest > > planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign > > so long distance. > > > > Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated > > in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that > > house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can > > find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in > > the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that > > all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but > > then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace > > to Philippines. > > > > Suggestions are welcome > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa%40>, > > " nix_nixen " <nix_nixen@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear members, > > > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > > > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > > > person abroad: > > > -12th house and lord > > > -8th house and lord > > > -Saturn and Venus > > > -affliction of the 4th > > > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > > > -12th from paka lagna > > > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > > > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > > > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > > > indicate the distance-very far or not? > > > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Respected Jyotishas In the case of Prashant's chart now, here are a few thoughts. In my humble belief, the udu dasas are showing the state of the mind and since he has Jupiter in Lagna (much stronger than moon in the 8th house in MKS) we should use the Narayana Dasa to see the actual results. In the Narayana Dasa of D1 we can see that he was running Li mahadasa activating the 9th lord Venus in the 12th house. So probably he started to prepare for his higher eductaion and travel from March 2002 itself. The Antardasa at that time was Aq. Now lets open the Dasa Pravesha Chakra and there we can see that 4th lord Sun is going to the 10th house and that can signify a change of residence as 10th is 7th to 4th If we use Udu dasas in this case we have a choice between Shashtihayani as Sun in Lagna and Dwisaptati Sama as 7th lord is in lagna. DwiSaptati Sama In this case he ran Sun Mahadasa from 1996 to 2005 and since we analyse this from the Sun we can see that since sun itself is running it can show major transformations for the native (As per Visti Jis lesson if the Rasi drishti of MD is on Sun then then the native undergoes major transformation in that period) The antardasa preceding this actual travel was that of Venus and I believe that should be more critical in analysing the travel then the actual Sa AD that started just a few days before travel as the whole effort, visa and all that thing would have happened in the Venus AD already so really the main mental experiences could have been faced there. From moon we analyse the Antaradasa and Ve is the 9th lord from Moon too and sits in the 5th house from there and that can indicate higher education or planning for higher education. how it menifests from the lagna in the 12th house. The saturn is the 12th lord and sits in the 5th house joinin Ketu who is the 10th lord debilitated seems that he might have started hunting for some job while he was studying and probably not with very high ideals about what that job should be. From moon this is in the 10th house and that confirms it. In yuti the antardasa indications are exchanged as per sanjay ji. Hopefully I can get some comments on this Now let see the other dasa ShashtiHayani dasa In this case it is Ju-Su that sent him abroad. Here we can see that Jupiter is joined the Sun and that can give Transformation as per the rule above about MD results. Now in the case of AD we should analyse from the moon and that is the 12th lord joining a Guru Shisya yoga can probably indicate foreign education but sun AD should have given results of Jupiter who is in Parivartana with Ra. So would act like Ra karaka for Foreign Travel. Jupiter is the 11th and 2nd lord so it can be some friends or family that could have influenced his decision for foreign education. The Rahu in this case is debilitated and as per visti ji the jupiter in Aquarius is quite strong, as I understand from the rules of Parivartana the avastha is retained in the sign and planets change places so Jupiter acts like a strong Rahu and Rahu acts like a debilitated 11th lord. Thats a bit complicated so i guess the other dasa gave the results more clearly. You are most welcome to comment and if Prashant can comment on the actual events we can see if that analysis is showing the actual series of events Now regarding the direction of travel. Brisbane is in south east to Prashant's birth place and so in D4 chart I could find how to get the directions as per Rafal ji's advise. Infact if we look at the Narayana Dasa of D1 itself we can see that Mahadasa was of Li activating Ve indicating South East direction and also since it is in a movable sign it was far from home, infact half way around the globe. Regards Tarun sohamsa , " Prashant Doshi " <prashuastro wrote: > > Hi tarun ji, > > i am in brisbane , I can surely give u my dates when i left India , I > cannot forget it > > I left mUMBAI INDIA , ON 14TH feb 2003, 12:30am(early morning flight).It > was a struggling time for me , I left India for higher education . > > Yes according to my knownledge , Venuse , and Mahadasa rahu> Mangal , played > a major role . > Naturally my 9th lord is in the 12th house , and 12th house is the best > place venus can be as i was told and was told i would not be successful in > India .But would like to known how would be the future abroad surely . > > Do let me known if u need any more information > > thanks > > Prashu > > > On 7/9/07, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote: > > > > Namaskar Jyothishas > > > > In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve > > is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In > > badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 > > it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. > > > > So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel > > abroad. > > > > Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana > > sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. > > > > Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study > > this more carefully. > > > > As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. > > > > Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I > > am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of > > foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That > > indicates Venus and distance was far. > > > > Birth details are > > > > September 30, 1973 > > Time: 15:50:32 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. > > > > The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start > > of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so > > we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three > > fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also > > badhakesha Ma. > > > > Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and > > Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. > > > > The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. > > > > Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest > > planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign > > so long distance. > > > > Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated > > in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that > > house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can > > find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in > > the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that > > all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but > > then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace > > to Philippines. > > > > Suggestions are welcome > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, " nix_nixen " > > <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear members, > > > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > > > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > > > person abroad: > > > -12th house and lord > > > -8th house and lord > > > -Saturn and Venus > > > -affliction of the 4th > > > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > > > -12th from paka lagna > > > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > > > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > > > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? What will > > > indicate the distance-very far or not? > > > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 hraum namah adityaya Dear Tarunji, Yes, your analysis seems correct. I have Moon PD starting from 29 Oct. Chaturaseeti sama dasa (applicable if 10th lord is in 10th): Budh MD: 1989-01-24 (8:11:26) - 2001-01-24 (10:04:32) Mang AD: 1999-05-08 (8:16:59) - 2001-01-24 (10:04:32) Pratyantardasas in this AD: Mang: 1999-05-08 (8:16:59) - 1999-08-08 (11:06:42) Budh: 1999-08-08 (11:06:42) - 1999-11-06 (12:42:17) Guru: 1999-11-06 (12:42:17) - 2000-02-01 (9:28:50) Sukr: 2000-02-01 (9:28:50) - 2000-04-30 (0:34:25) Sani: 2000-04-30 (0:34:25) - 2000-07-31 (1:06:37) Sury: 2000-07-31 (1:06:37) - 2000-10-29 (10:42:33) Chan: 2000-10-29 (10:42:33) - 2001-01-24 (10:04:32) Is that right? I would add that Bu is with 12L, and Ma aspects 12L in D10. Sahams are not touched - weird. BUT: In progression waiting for 28 (oct 2000) birthday is also 4H from Lg (with Ma and Badhak giving foreign travel) (counting from Lg) and also 12H (counting from Surya). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com tarungarg napisał(a): Hello Rafal ji My date was somewhere in the Oct 2000. I dont remember exact date now but somewhere there. cause of Travelling was overseas assignment from work as a visitor initially and eventually on 1st Jan 2001 I actually got a contract in philippines itself. Of course the place is Manila Philippines. Tarun sohamsa@ ..com, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Tarunji, > > Could You provide information about all Your : > > Travelings with 3 info: a) place b) cause of traveling c) date. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > tarungarg napisa?(a): > > > > Namaskar Jyothishas > > > > In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve > > is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In > > badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 > > it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. > > > > So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel > > abroad. > > > > Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana > > sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. > > > > Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study > > this more carefully. > > > > As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. > > > > Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I > > am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of > > foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That > > indicates Venus and distance was far. > > > > Birth details are > > > > September 30, 1973 > > Time: 15:50:32 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 23' 00", 31 N 22' 00" > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. > > > > The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start > > of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so > > we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three > > fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also > > badhakesha Ma. > > > > Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and > > Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. > > > > The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi. > > > > Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest > > planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign > > so long distance. > > > > Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated > > in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that > > house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can > > find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in > > the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that > > all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but > > then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace > > to Philippines. > > > > Suggestions are welcome > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > sohamsa@ .com <sohamsa% 40. com>, > > "nix_nixen" <nix_nixen@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > Dear members, > > > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > > > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > > > person abroad: > > > -12th house and lord > > > -8th house and lord > > > -Saturn and Venus > > > -affliction of the 4th > > > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > > > -12th from paka lagna > > > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > > > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > > > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra- SE)? What will > > > indicate the distance-very far or not? > > > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > > > Warm regards, > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Tarun ji, Pranam, too good analysis , really very Good , hats off , yes what u have said is 100% rite , i started my try to go out in 2002 start , and also i tryed to find job from the first day i landed in Brisbane . but UNFORTUNATELY NO LUCK , Had TO STRUGGLE A LOT , Life was though . What about my future now ,will i earn well here ? Thanks again , i will write more tomorrow on the same On 7/12/07, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote: Respected JyotishasIn the case of Prashant's chart now, here are a few thoughts.In my humble belief, the udu dasas are showing the state of the mindand since he has Jupiter in Lagna (much stronger than moon in the 8th house in MKS) we should use the Narayana Dasa to see the actualresults. In the Narayana Dasa of D1 we can see that he was running Limahadasa activating the 9th lord Venus in the 12th house. So probablyhe started to prepare for his higher eductaion and travel from March 2002 itself. The Antardasa at that time was Aq. Now lets open the Dasa PraveshaChakra and there we can see that 4th lord Sun is going to the 10thhouse and that can signify a change of residence as 10th is 7th to 4th If we use Udu dasas in this case we have a choice betweenShashtihayani as Sun in Lagna and Dwisaptati Sama as 7th lord is inlagna. DwiSaptati Sama In this case he ran Sun Mahadasa from 1996 to 2005 and since we analyse this from the Sun we can see that since sun itself is runningit can show major transformations for the native (As per Visti Jislesson if the Rasi drishti of MD is on Sun then then the nativeundergoes major transformation in that period) The antardasa preceding this actual travel was that of Venus and Ibelieve that should be more critical in analysing the travel then theactual Sa AD that started just a few days before travel as the whole effort, visa and all that thing would have happened in the Venus ADalready so really the main mental experiences could have been facedthere. From moon we analyse the Antaradasa and Ve is the 9th lord fromMoon too and sits in the 5th house from there and that can indicate higher education or planning for higher education. how it menifestsfrom the lagna in the 12th house.The saturn is the 12th lord and sits in the 5th house joinin Ketu whois the 10th lord debilitated seems that he might have started hunting for some job while he was studying and probably not with very highideals about what that job should be. From moon this is in the 10thhouse and that confirms it. In yuti the antardasa indications areexchanged as per sanjay ji. Hopefully I can get some comments on thisNow let see the other dasa ShashtiHayani dasaIn this case it is Ju-Su that sent him abroad. Here we can see thatJupiter is joined the Sun and that can give Transformation as per the rule above about MD results. Now in the case of AD we should analysefrom the moon and that is the 12th lord joining a Guru Shisya yogacan probably indicate foreign education but sun AD should have givenresults of Jupiter who is in Parivartana with Ra. So would act like Ra karaka for Foreign Travel. Jupiter is the 11th and 2nd lord so it canbe some friends or family that could have influenced his decision forforeign education. The Rahu in this case is debilitated and as pervisti ji the jupiter in Aquarius is quite strong, as I understand from the rules of Parivartana the avastha is retained in the sign andplanets change places so Jupiter acts like a strong Rahu and Rahu actslike a debilitated 11th lord. Thats a bit complicated so i guess theother dasa gave the results more clearly. You are most welcome to comment and if Prashant can comment on theactual events we can see if that analysis is showing the actual seriesof eventsNow regarding the direction of travel. Brisbane is in south east to Prashant's birth place and so in D4 chart I could find how to get thedirections as per Rafal ji's advise. Infact if we look at the NarayanaDasa of D1 itself we can see that Mahadasa was of Li activating Ve indicating South East direction and also since it is in a movable signit was far from home, infact half way around the globe. RegardsTarun sohamsa , " Prashant Doshi " <prashuastro wrote:>> Hi tarun ji,> > i am in brisbane , I can surely give u my dates when i left India , I> cannot forget it > > I left mUMBAI INDIA , ON 14TH feb 2003, 12:30am(early morningflight).It> was a struggling time for me , I left India for higher education .> > Yes according to my knownledge , Venuse , and Mahadasa rahu> Mangal , played> a major role .> Naturally my 9th lord is in the 12th house , and 12th house is the best> place venus can be as i was told and was told i would not besuccessful in> India .But would like to known how would be the future abroad surely . > > Do let me known if u need any more information> > thanks> > Prashu> > > On 7/9/07, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote:> >> > Namaskar Jyothishas> >> > In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve > > is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In> > badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10> > it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. > >> > So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel> > abroad.> >> > Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana> > sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. > >> > Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study> > this more carefully.> >> > As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. > >> > Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I> > am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of> > foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That > > indicates Venus and distance was far.> >> > Birth details are> >> > September 30, 1973> > Time: 15:50:32> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> >> > As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa.> >> > The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start > > of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so> > we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three> > fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also > > badhakesha Ma.> >> > Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and> > Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4.> >> > The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord in Rasi.> >> > Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest> > planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign> > so long distance. > >> > Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated> > in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that> > house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can > > find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in> > the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that> > all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but > > then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace> > to Philippines.> >> > Suggestions are welcome> >> > Regards> >> > Tarun > >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40gro ups.com>, " nix_nixen " > > <nix_nixen@> wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > Dear members,> > > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > > > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a> > > person abroad:> > > -12th house and lord> > > -8th house and lord> > > -Saturn and Venus > > > -affliction of the 4th> > > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana> > > -12th from paka lagna> > > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > > > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates> > > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)?What will> > > indicate the distance-very far or not? > > > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed?> > > Warm regards,> > > Tijana> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Dear Prashant First thing as per my humble opinion is to get the neecha bhanga to that Ketu. since it is in the 10th from the moon and also it is your 10th lord being conjoined with Sa it is stronger than Ma. For that we can use 2 planets Ju being the lord of Sg where Ketu gets exhalted and Mercury the lord of the debilitation sign. Since no planet get exhalted in Gemini so these are the only 2 options. these two planet are thankfully in kendra to your lagna and thus you can achieve neecha bhanga through your own efforts. They are joined in a Guru Shishya Yoga along with Sun, so I we need to worship a Guru who is like Shiva and Vishnu both. I can suggest the worship of Guru Dattatreya. A good mantra to start with will be " Kleem Dattaguru " 2 malas in the morning and 2 in the eve. I would encourage you to do some research on Dattatreya on the net and read about him. That way you will be able to get a better dhyana for him. Possibly print a photo of him too and keep in front of you. Try to apply for Jobs on Wednesdays and in the Horas of Mercury as he is the 10th lord from Moon. if you wish to find the horas for Mercury you can get the table from the net or work them out yourself via the sohamsa , " Prashant Doshi " <prashuastro wrote: > > Dear Tarun ji, > > Pranam, > > too good analysis , really very Good , hats off , yes what u have said is > 100% rite , i started my try to go out in 2002 start , and also i tryed to > find job from the first day i landed in Brisbane . but UNFORTUNATELY NO LUCK > , Had TO STRUGGLE A LOT , Life was though . > > What about my future now ,will i earn well here ? > > > Thanks again , i will write more tomorrow on the same > > > On 7/12/07, tarungarg <tarungarg wrote: > > > > Respected Jyotishas > > > > In the case of Prashant's chart now, here are a few thoughts. > > > > In my humble belief, the udu dasas are showing the state of the mind > > and since he has Jupiter in Lagna (much stronger than moon in the 8th > > house in MKS) we should use the Narayana Dasa to see the actual > > results. In the Narayana Dasa of D1 we can see that he was running Li > > mahadasa activating the 9th lord Venus in the 12th house. So probably > > he started to prepare for his higher eductaion and travel from March > > 2002 itself. > > > > The Antardasa at that time was Aq. Now lets open the Dasa Pravesha > > Chakra and there we can see that 4th lord Sun is going to the 10th > > house and that can signify a change of residence as 10th is 7th to 4th > > > > If we use Udu dasas in this case we have a choice between > > Shashtihayani as Sun in Lagna and Dwisaptati Sama as 7th lord is in > > lagna. > > > > DwiSaptati Sama > > > > In this case he ran Sun Mahadasa from 1996 to 2005 and since we > > analyse this from the Sun we can see that since sun itself is running > > it can show major transformations for the native (As per Visti Jis > > lesson if the Rasi drishti of MD is on Sun then then the native > > undergoes major transformation in that period) > > > > The antardasa preceding this actual travel was that of Venus and I > > believe that should be more critical in analysing the travel then the > > actual Sa AD that started just a few days before travel as the whole > > effort, visa and all that thing would have happened in the Venus AD > > already so really the main mental experiences could have been faced > > there. From moon we analyse the Antaradasa and Ve is the 9th lord from > > Moon too and sits in the 5th house from there and that can indicate > > higher education or planning for higher education. how it menifests > > from the lagna in the 12th house. > > > > The saturn is the 12th lord and sits in the 5th house joinin Ketu who > > is the 10th lord debilitated seems that he might have started hunting > > for some job while he was studying and probably not with very high > > ideals about what that job should be. From moon this is in the 10th > > house and that confirms it. In yuti the antardasa indications are > > exchanged as per sanjay ji. > > > > Hopefully I can get some comments on this > > > > Now let see the other dasa ShashtiHayani dasa > > > > In this case it is Ju-Su that sent him abroad. Here we can see that > > Jupiter is joined the Sun and that can give Transformation as per the > > rule above about MD results. Now in the case of AD we should analyse > > from the moon and that is the 12th lord joining a Guru Shisya yoga > > can probably indicate foreign education but sun AD should have given > > results of Jupiter who is in Parivartana with Ra. So would act like Ra > > karaka for Foreign Travel. Jupiter is the 11th and 2nd lord so it can > > be some friends or family that could have influenced his decision for > > foreign education. The Rahu in this case is debilitated and as per > > visti ji the jupiter in Aquarius is quite strong, as I understand from > > the rules of Parivartana the avastha is retained in the sign and > > planets change places so Jupiter acts like a strong Rahu and Rahu acts > > like a debilitated 11th lord. Thats a bit complicated so i guess the > > other dasa gave the results more clearly. > > > > You are most welcome to comment and if Prashant can comment on the > > actual events we can see if that analysis is showing the actual series > > of events > > > > Now regarding the direction of travel. Brisbane is in south east to > > Prashant's birth place and so in D4 chart I could find how to get the > > directions as per Rafal ji's advise. Infact if we look at the Narayana > > Dasa of D1 itself we can see that Mahadasa was of Li activating Ve > > indicating South East direction and also since it is in a movable sign > > it was far from home, infact half way around the globe. > > > > Regards > > > > Tarun > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, " Prashant > > Doshi " <prashuastro@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi tarun ji, > > > > > > i am in brisbane , I can surely give u my dates when i left India , I > > > cannot forget it > > > > > > I left mUMBAI INDIA , ON 14TH feb 2003, 12:30am(early morning > > flight).It > > > was a struggling time for me , I left India for higher education . > > > > > > Yes according to my knownledge , Venuse , and Mahadasa rahu> Mangal > > , played > > > a major role . > > > Naturally my 9th lord is in the 12th house , and 12th house is the best > > > place venus can be as i was told and was told i would not be > > successful in > > > India .But would like to known how would be the future abroad surely . > > > > > > Do let me known if u need any more information > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Prashu > > > > > > > > > On 7/9/07, tarungarg <tarungarg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar Jyothishas > > > > > > > > In the case of Prashant's chart that he has given the details for, Ve > > > > is the badhakesha and and 9th lord in the 12th house in Rasi, In > > > > badhaka sthana in the D4 and 9th lord in lagna there. And also in D10 > > > > it is the 4th lord and dispositor of the Lagna lord in D10. > > > > > > > > So I believe that Venus should be some how connected with the travel > > > > abroad. > > > > > > > > Venus also joins Cp in the Rasi chart and that has the Jalapatana > > > > sahmam. So clearly there is a connection of Venus with the travel. > > > > > > > > Is it possible to get the travel dates from Prashant and we can study > > > > this more carefully. > > > > > > > > As Surya is in Lagna we have to use the Shashti Hayani Dasa I believe. > > > > > > > > Here I would like to cite another case study. That is my own case, I > > > > am staying abroad at the moment in sydney, but my first country of > > > > foreign residence was Philippines in the SE direction from Home. That > > > > indicates Venus and distance was far. > > > > > > > > Birth details are > > > > > > > > September 30, 1973 > > > > Time: 15:50:32 > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 75 E 23' 00 " , 31 N 22' 00 " > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > > > As 10th lord is in 10th I use Chaturaseeti Sama Dasa. > > > > > > > > The travel was Year 2000 in oct. As we can see that it was the start > > > > of Mer - Ma - mo dasa. Since this is the last part of the Me Dasa so > > > > we should consider the aspects as the primary effect using the three > > > > fold division principle and it does aspect the 4th house and also > > > > badhakesha Ma. > > > > > > > > Antar Dasa is of Ma itself who is the lord of 4th house in Rasi and > > > > Badhaka and Maraka to the 4th in the D4. > > > > > > > > The Pratyantar dasa was of Moon who is Maraka in D-4 and 7th lord > > in Rasi. > > > > > > > > Now Moon is in Venusian sign joined Venus which is the strongest > > > > planet in that Rasi and thus the South East direction and Movable sign > > > > so long distance. > > > > > > > > Now the reason for this travel was my work and that can be indicated > > > > in D1 as 10th house is the house of me and Mo and Ma aspects that > > > > house, So opening the 10th house up we go to the d10 and there we can > > > > find that Me is in the 8th house and Ma is in 5th house while Mo is in > > > > the 4th. Now Ma is in the 8th from the 10th house and it is true that > > > > all through the Mars antardasa I was doing a bit of Foriegn travel but > > > > then Mo Pratyantar dasa actually gave me the change in the workplace > > > > to Philippines. > > > > > > > > Suggestions are welcome > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40><sohamsa%40gro > > ups.com>, > > " nix_nixen " > > > > <nix_nixen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > i`m missing something in the issue of foreign residence. > > > > > We are taking next as important in judging when/what will take a > > > > > person abroad: > > > > > -12th house and lord > > > > > -8th house and lord > > > > > -Saturn and Venus > > > > > -affliction of the 4th > > > > > -badhakesha and planets in badhaka sthana > > > > > -12th from paka lagna > > > > > NOw, how to see the exact direction (i`ve gone through some examples > > > > > and they mostly show that the strongest planet that initiates > > > > > travelling will determine direction, for example-Shukra-SE)? > > What will > > > > > indicate the distance-very far or not? > > > > > How to decide is the staying abroad long or short termed? > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > Tijana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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