Upapada Lagna Calculation for Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis

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Respected Rafalji and Other learned Members,

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we consider the strongest of Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada lagna calculation.

 

 

There are lot of controversies that Rahu/Ketu never own any houses since they are chaaya grahas. How feasible would it be to use their strengths to calculate for Upapada Lagna since while considering Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords of the house in which they are occupied.Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

 

 

I would be very happy if you could please tell me in which Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books, Has the calculation of Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis given.

Thanks in advance,

Regards

pramod.

 

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hraum namah adityaya

 

Dear Primod,

 

No, they should be judged according to Jaimini strength rules. See if

Node is with any graha, then its stronger. If not see if

jupiter/mercury/lord of rasi is aspecting it.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages:

www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

Pramod B.V. napisał(a):

 

 

Respected Rafalji and Other learned Members,

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we consider the strongest of

Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada lagna calculation.

 

 

There are lot of controversies that Rahu/Ketu never own any

houses since they are chaaya grahas. How feasible would it be to use

their strengths to calculate for Upapada Lagna since while considering

Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords of the house in which they

are occupied.Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

 

 

 

I would be very happy if you could please tell me in which

Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books, Has the calculation of

Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis given.

 

Thanks in advance,

Regards

pramod.

 

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Hi Rafal,

 

Thanks for the reply. Could you please give me more details about Jaimini strength

Rules.Where can i find it ?

 

Thanks and Best Regards

Pramod.

On 8/10/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

hraum namah adityayaDear Primod,No, they should be judged according to Jaimini strength rules. See if Node is with any graha, then its stronger. If not see if jupiter/mercury/lord of rasi is aspecting it.

Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail:

rafalJyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

Pramod B.V. napisa³(a):

 

 

Respected Rafalji and Other learned Members,

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we consider the strongest of Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada lagna calculation.

 

 

There are lot of controversies that Rahu/Ketu never own any houses since they are chaaya grahas. How feasible would it be to use their strengths to calculate for Upapada Lagna since while considering Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords of the house in which they are occupied.Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

 

 

I would be very happy if you could please tell me in which Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books, Has the calculation of Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis given.

Thanks in advance,

Regards

pramod.

 

[Guest guest]

hraum namah adityaya

 

Dear Pramod,

 

Please dive into Narayana Dasa by Sanjay Rath.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages:

www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

 

Pramod B.V. napisa³(a):

 

 

Hi Rafal,

 

Thanks for the reply. Could you please give me more details

about Jaimini strength

Rules.Where can i find it ?

 

Thanks and Best Regards

Pramod.

 

 

On 8/10/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

hraum namah

adityaya

 

Dear Primod,

 

No, they should be judged according to Jaimini strength rules. See if

Node is with any graha, then its stronger. If not see if

jupiter/mercury/lord of rasi is aspecting it.

 

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email:

rafal (AT) rohinaa (DOT) com

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

 

Pramod B.V. napisa³(a):

 

 

 

Respected Rafalji and Other learned Members,

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we consider the strongest

of Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada lagna calculation.

 

 

There are lot of controversies that Rahu/Ketu never own any

houses since they are chaaya grahas. How feasible would it be to use

their strengths to calculate for Upapada Lagna since while considering

Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords of the house in which they

are occupied.Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

 

 

 

I would be very happy if you could please tell me in which

Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books, Has the calculation of

Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis given.

 

Thanks in advance,

Regards

pramod.

 

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Hi Pramod,

 

You can find it in http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/11/narayana-dasa-i-basics.html.

 

I am pasting this for easy reference

 

STRENGTH OF SIGNS

The dasa starts from the stronger of the two signs, the Lagna or the 7th house,

since they are the seat of truth, otherwise known as the satya-peethas. To

ascertain the stronger of the two signs, the lagna or the 7th, following rules

can be followed. The rules are culled out from Brhat Parasari Hora Shastra and

the Jaimini Sutras and beautifully presented in the Narayana Dasa book by Pt.

Sanjay Rath.

 

The reader of the Narayana Dasa book would find that there is difference in the

sequence of the rules given. To them I shall say that the sequence is revised

based on my interaction with the author and my experience.

 

Rule-1: The sign with a planet (or with more planets) is considered stronger

than a sign without a planet (or with lesser number of planets).

 

Rule-2:The sign which is aspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger.

 

Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are similarly

aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the status of the planets like

exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. should be considered to declare the

stronger sign.

 

 

 

Rule-4: If they are still equal in strength, or without planets, then the

natural strengths - Dual signs stronger than fixed signs and fixed signs

stronger than movable signs is considered. (This rule will not work when

quadrants are considered).

 

Rule-5: If they are still equal in strength, then for an even (female) sign,

the placement of Lord in an odd (male) sign OR for an odd (male) sign, the

placement of the Lord in an even (female) sign is a source of strength.

 

Rule-6: If they are still equal in strength, the sign which gives a higher dasa

period is stronger. The dasa period is counted by computing the signs from the

sign to its lord in zodiacal direction if the sign is odd-footed and

anti-zodiacal if the sign is even-footed. (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Libra,

Scorpio and Sagittarius are odd-footed and rest are even-footed.)

 

For Scorpio and Aquarius, the stronger of the two lords are to be taken to

determine the dasa period.

 

Rule-7: If they are still equal in strength, the sign whose lord is the

Atmakaraka is stronger.

 

Rule-8: If they are still equal in strength, then the degrees of their lords

must

be considered. The Lord with a higher degree (used in Charakaraka) shall make

the sign stronger.

 

 

STRENGTH OF PLANETS

Scoprio and Aquarius are lorded by two planets each. Scorpio is lorded by Mars

and Ketu, whereas Aquarius is lorded by Saturn and Rahu. To determine the dasa

period of Scorpio and Aquarius, one need to ascertain, which lord to be used.

Hence, we must know the stronger of the two lords of these two signs.

 

If the lords are placed in the same sign then there is no trouble in computing

the dasa period, since the computation would be from the sign to the sign,

placed with these two lords. However, if they are placed in two different

signs, their strength need to be ascertained, using the following rules.

 

Rule 1: If one of the lords is placed in the sign and the other is placed

elsewhere, the dasa is estimated from the lord placed in the other sign.

 

Rule 2: If both lords are placed elsewhere, the stronger of the two signs,

where they are placed, shall give the dasa period.

 

Rule 3: If the signs occupied by the lords are of equal strength, the lord

contributing a larger dasa period should be considered.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Pramod

B.V.

Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:33 AM

sohamsa

Re: Upapada Lagna Calculation for Kumbha and

Vrischika Rashis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Rafal,

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply. Could you please give me more details

about Jaimini strength

 

 

Rules.Where can i find it ?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks and Best Regards

 

 

Pramod.

 

 

 

 

On 8/10/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

 

 

 

 

hraum

namah adityaya

 

Dear Primod,

 

No, they should be judged according to Jaimini strength rules. See if Node is

with any graha, then its stronger. If not see if jupiter/mercury/lord of rasi

is aspecting it.

 

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

Rohinaa Gurukula: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl

 

Pramod B.V. napisa³(a):

 

 

 

 

Respected Rafalji and Other

learned Members,

 

 

 

 

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we

consider the strongest of Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada

lagna calculation.

 

 

 

 

 

There are lot of controversies

that Rahu/Ketu never own any houses since they are chaaya grahas. How

feasible would it be to use their strengths to calculate for Upapada

Lagna since while considering Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords

of the house in which they are occupied.Please let me know if my

understanding is correct.

 

 

 

I would be very happy if you

could please tell me in which Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books,

Has the calculation of Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika

Rashis given.

 

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

Regards

 

 

pramod.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sarajit and Rafal,

 

Thanks for the answers.

 

Regards

Pramod.

On 8/11/07, Sarajit Poddar <sarajit.poddar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Hi Pramod,

 

You can find it in http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004/11/narayana-dasa-i-basics.html

..

 

I am pasting this for easy reference

 

STRENGTH OF SIGNSThe dasa starts from the stronger of the two signs, the Lagna or the 7th house, since they are the seat of truth, otherwise known as the satya-peethas. To ascertain the stronger of the two signs, the lagna or the 7th, following rules can be followed. The rules are culled out from Brhat Parasari Hora Shastra and the Jaimini Sutras and beautifully presented in the Narayana Dasa book by Pt. Sanjay Rath.

The reader of the Narayana Dasa book would find that there is difference in the sequence of the rules given. To them I shall say that the sequence is revised based on my interaction with the author and my experience.

Rule-1: The sign with a planet (or with more planets) is considered stronger than a sign without a planet (or with lesser number of planets).Rule-2:The sign which is aspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger.

Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the status of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. should be considered to declare the stronger sign.

 

Rule-4: If they are still equal in strength, or without planets, then the natural strengths - Dual signs stronger than fixed signs and fixed signs stronger than movable signs is considered. (This rule will not work when quadrants are considered).

Rule-5: If they are still equal in strength, then for an even (female) sign, the placement of Lord in an odd (male) sign OR for an odd (male) sign, the placement of the Lord in an even (female) sign is a source of strength.

Rule-6: If they are still equal in strength, the sign which gives a higher dasa period is stronger. The dasa period is counted by computing the signs from the sign to its lord in zodiacal direction if the sign is odd-footed and anti-zodiacal if the sign is even-footed. (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius are odd-footed and rest are even-footed.)

For Scorpio and Aquarius, the stronger of the two lords are to be taken to determine the dasa period.Rule-7: If they are still equal in strength, the sign whose lord is the Atmakaraka is stronger.Rule-8: If they are still equal in strength, then the degrees of their lords must

be considered. The Lord with a higher degree (used in Charakaraka) shall make the sign stronger.STRENGTH OF PLANETSScoprio and Aquarius are lorded by two planets each. Scorpio is lorded by Mars and Ketu, whereas Aquarius is lorded by Saturn and Rahu. To determine the dasa period of Scorpio and Aquarius, one need to ascertain, which lord to be used. Hence, we must know the stronger of the two lords of these two signs.

If the lords are placed in the same sign then there is no trouble in computing the dasa period, since the computation would be from the sign to the sign, placed with these two lords. However, if they are placed in two different signs, their strength need to be ascertained, using the following rules.

Rule 1: If one of the lords is placed in the sign and the other is placed elsewhere, the dasa is estimated from the lord placed in the other sign.Rule 2: If both lords are placed elsewhere, the stronger of the two signs, where they are placed, shall give the dasa period.

Rule 3: If the signs occupied by the lords are of equal strength, the lord contributing a larger dasa period should be considered.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

 

 

sohamsa [

sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Pramod B.V.Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:33 AMsohamsa

Re: Upapada Lagna Calculation for Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Rafal,

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply. Could you please give me more details about Jaimini strength

 

Rules.Where can i find it ?

 

 

 

Thanks and Best Regards

 

Pramod.

 

On 8/10/07, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote:

 

 

 

 

hraum namah adityayaDear Primod,No, they should be judged according to Jaimini strength rules. See if Node is with any graha, then its stronger. If not see if jupiter/mercury/lord of rasi is aspecting it. Regards,Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guruemail: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.comRohinaa Gurukula:

http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Pramod B.V. napisa³(a):

 

 

 

 

Respected Rafalji and Other learned Members,

 

 

 

For Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis, we consider the strongest of Rahu/Shani and Kuja/Ketu Respectively for Upapada lagna calculation.

 

 

 

There are lot of controversies that Rahu/Ketu never own any houses since they are chaaya grahas. How feasible would it be to use their strengths to calculate for Upapada Lagna since while considering Shadbala calculation also , we see the lords of the house in which they are occupied.Please let me know if my understanding is correct.

 

 

I would be very happy if you could please tell me in which Part/Adhyaya of Jaimini or Parashara books, Has the calculation of Upapada lagna with respect to Kumbha and Vrischika Rashis given.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Regards

 

pramod.